[Game Over] Newbie 1784 - Escape Room

[nancy]

Oh no!! That's.. my second newbie game! *hides*

That game is actually where Pine taught me not to tunnel. Very quality lesson that I suggest everyone heed.

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Chronicle

Seems to be bandwagoning mhmhmhmhm


Third ever mad game, first on this site

You vote chronicle for bandwagoning.
Loopdan switches to the same vote and he doesn't get a mention.

Fair enough. It was a mistake, I didn't see it. I don't think I would be that obvious to reveal a potential scum buddy, but you don't know me so believe what you want

[Srceenplay]

@WhyMafia
I am helping.
What do you think about Loopdan?

First post was legit, kinda confused why he changed his vote in his next post.

So you overlooked him by mistake.
His vote change is confusing to you.
His vote on stealthynoodle by your reasoning deserves him being voted.

Help me vote him then.
You can ask him questions to try and get unconfused.

VOTE: Loopdan

[Pine]

Oh no!! That's.. my second newbie game! *hides*

That game is actually where Pine taught me not to tunnel. Very quality lesson that I suggest everyone heed.

Everyone tunnels. Even experienced players, sometimes especially us. Many of the older players around here have sufficient history with one another that we're bringing old grudges, friendships, wishful thinking, perceptions of meta, and larger psychological chess matches into new games. In some ways, the peril of tunneling* is even greater for older players, because we can be set in our ways. The true lesson there was how to recognize when you are tunneling, especially when your tunnel is being taken advantage of by scum, and how to pull yourself out of a spiral.

*"Tunneling" is a shorthand reference to the notion of gettting "tunnel vision," where you can only see your target. Frequently, when a player becomes absolutely sure of a read, they drill down and focus on it to the exclusion of all else, missing vital clues in the periphery. This is closely linked with the phenomenon of confirmation bias (confbias), another psychological hazard, where you are so sure of something that you subconsciously interpret any new evidence as supporting your present position, regardless of objective fact. Tunneling can lead to confbias, and confbias can lead one to tunnel.

Red sauce is simmering. I take store-bought jars of sauce and add ingredients to them until the flavor is entirely changed. This time, I added sauteed onion, garlic, thyme, hand-crushed rosemary, oregano, and Parmesan cheese to it, among other things I'm likely forgetting. I don't have an open bottle of red wine (I'm a riesling fellow) so I'm giving that a pass tonight.

[StealthyNoodle]

Hello! Nice to meet you all. So we're stuck here then.

First game and I'm already overwhelmed. I do get that this strategy puts town in a better spot, but I agree with Nancy that it seems like a rather bad way to start out a game for newbies, and not much fun at all. I'm sure there will be plenty of time to read about this strategy inbetween later games. On second hand TesXX and Loopdan both seem eager to steer the victory towards town, while Nancy doesn't seem to support this agenda. For now I'll claim not BP and
VOTE: nancy.

Feels a bit bad, as you're the first person I've agreed with in here.

[MiniDeathStar]

March 27, 2017 - 1:00 AM (GMT)

Day 1

Flavour will be updated when the Tribunal is feeling better.

nancy (L-2)

: WhyMafia, Pine, StealthyNoodle

StealthyNoodle (L-3)

: Chronicle, Loopdan

Srceenplay (L-4)

: TesXX

Pine (L-4)

: nancy

Loopdan (L-4)

: Srceenplay

Not voting:

bjc0303

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 actions:

April 9, 2017 - 3:00 PM (GMT)

You have (expired on 2017-04-09 15:00:00) to discuss and decide on a lynch.

Vote Count 1.01

[Pine]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure scum are trying to ramp up the nancy bandwagon for a quick kill so they can sit back and go "oopsie!"

Getting a vibe that at least one scum is on nancy right now, maybe both.

[Srceenplay]

How are they eager to steer town to victory?

Why vote Nancy if you feel bad about it?

[WhyMafia]

@WhyMafia
I am helping.
What do you think about Loopdan?

First post was legit, kinda confused why he changed his vote in his next post.

So you overlooked him by mistake.
His vote change is confusing to you.
His vote on stealthynoodle by your reasoning deserves him being voted.

Help me vote him then.
You can ask him questions to try and get unconfused.

VOTE: Loopdan

Yea he's viable to look into.
Loopdan, explain your vote
VOTE: Loopdan

[Srceenplay]

Thanks for jumping on the bandwagon!!

[Chronicle]

I do not like this strat at all, I think it's a bad way to teach newbies to play and I refuse to claim either way.

Refusing to claim even though it's a pro-town strat?

[WhyMafia]

Thanks for jumping on the bandwagon!!

Thanks for jumping on the bandwagon!!

No problem!
It's not like I'm changing my vote reason!
UNVOTE: All
@Chronicle
@Loopdan
explain your votes from earlier

[Pine]

I do not like this strat at all, I think it's a bad way to teach newbies to play and I refuse to claim either way.

Refusing to claim even though it's a pro-town strat?

Well. I wouldn't go so far as to say that. I mean hell, I suggested it and I'm not sold on it being absolutely the right thing to do. Refusing to participate in a widely-accepted pro-Town practice is only scummy if it is widely accepted; this is not.

[TesXX]

I do not like this strat at all, I think it's a bad way to teach newbies to play and I refuse to claim either way.

Refusing to claim even though it's a pro-town strat?

Well nancy just thinks it messes up RVS.
Also, it's time for another

POSSIBLE BPS:

strike

means they've claimed not BP

TesXX

bjc0303

Chronicle

StealthyNoodle

nancy

WhyMafia

Loopdan

Srceenplay

Pine

[StealthyNoodle]

How are they eager to steer town to victory?

Well about 80% of TesXX' posts till now relate to the BP-claiming-strat and it's usefulness for town.

As for Loopdan

Everyone needs to make their BP or notBP claims immediately. Do this in your first post. Do not stall. Do not claim or hint at any other roles you may have and don't hint that you do

not

have a power role.

Seems pretty eager to me.

Why vote Nancy if you feel bad about it?

She still wants to boycott a town-winning strategy. Even though I agree with her that the strat is more frightening than helpful in a newbie-game, I'd still say there's a higher probability she's scum.

[Pine]

VOTE: StealthyNoodle

Trumping up the charges against nancy and gross exaggeration are pretty classic scum tactics.

[nancy]

I do not like this strat at all, I think it's a bad way to teach newbies to play and I refuse to claim either way.

Refusing to claim even though it's a pro-town strat?

Yes. Have you been reading my posts? What do you think about my refusal? Does it mean that I'm scum? You should probably go ahead and lynch me, if so.

[nancy]

Well nancy just thinks it messes up RVS.

That isn't all that I've said. If you think this, you haven't been digesting my content.

[nancy]

How are they eager to steer town to victory?

Well about 80% of TesXX' posts till now relate to the BP-claiming-strat and it's usefulness for town.

Do you think that makes TesXX towny? If so, why?

She still wants to boycott a town-winning strategy. Even though I agree with her that the strat is more frightening than helpful in a newbie-game, I'd still say there's a higher probability she's scum.

I don't think the strat is frightening in the least. I think it's not a good way to introduce newbies to mafia.

Why did you claim even though you agreed with me, and why did you vote me? You're at L-2, btw.

[StealthyNoodle]

VOTE: StealthyNoodle

Trumping up the charges against nancy and gross exaggeration are pretty classic scum tactics.

I have nothing to hide; my vote is solely based on supposed probability. If some other good theories come around, I'll surely listen.

What are your reasons for defending her on the other hand? Joking around with friends is something anyone could do; scum or not.

[nancy]

We're clearly out of RVS but I don't feel comfortable putting Noodle at L-1 at this stage in the game so I'm going to vote for the inactive slot.

VOTE: bjc

bjc, please do things okay?

pedit supposed probability?

[StealthyNoodle]

Do you think that makes TesXX towny? If so, why?

Not at all, I just find it more likely. He supports the use of a pro-town strat, while you don't. Simple as pie.

I don't think the strat is frightening in the least.

You're right, my bad.

Why did you claim even though you agreed with me, and why did you vote me? You're at L-2, btw.

Well, let me just re-quote your quote of me.

She still wants to boycott a town-winning strategy.

Even though I agree with you, I have no reason to not claim not BP.

[TesXX]

Well nancy just thinks it messes up RVS.

That isn't all that I've said. If you think this, you haven't been digesting my content.

I know, but I had to do something so I cut my post short.

[Loopdan]

@nancy I agree that this strat is not the best way to introduce newbies to the game, but I'm not the IC (and neither are you). Your wincon should take precedence over your desire to teach newbs. I get opposing the BP claim strat if the claims hadn't started yet, but with 6/9 already claiming it only helps scum to have incomplete claims.

Also, this would not detract from RVS if you would have followed instructions and claimed in your first post.

@srceen-- you too

I refuse to vote anywhere else but non-claimers until this is resolved.

VOTE: nancy

[StealthyNoodle]

VOTE: StealthyNoodle

Trumping up the charges against nancy and gross exaggeration are pretty classic scum tactics.

Oh and I simply explain my reasons for my vote, because you ask me too. I'd say calling it a gross exaggeration, is an exaggeration in itself. Shame on you.