DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O

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Issues resolved! Hihihi

VOTE: drealmerz7

[insert reason here]

This is SuperJack's first game on MS.

-- Postie

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Woodcutters, can you sign your posts please? :L

-- Postie

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I'm not gonna lie dreal I'm legit scumreading you already here

-- Postie

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HI I'M PAULY. I'M NEW. HOW DO I PLAY?

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Why the vote switch, Chara?

Also assume all unsigned posts are SuperJack's.

-- Postie

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but is that because you're townreading my tone and then compensating for fear of being wrong based on In Memory?

Before I answer that, please answer me this: how serious is this question?

-- Postie

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Why the vote switch, Chara?

Also assume all unsigned posts are SuperJack's.

-- Postie

Very Tempting...

-- Postie?

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^Not me

Like, are you actually looking for an answer though, dreal?

-- Postie

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Riight. SuperJack shall read the setup! Eventually.
One post a day? SORTED.
SuperJack will hopefully post more than once a day though.

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and, yes, I'm looking for an answer, did you arrive at your SR on me based on compensating for misreading my tone in a different game?

Okay thanks you're just scum then.
And no.

More votes on dreal please.

-- Postie

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Seems like drealmerz7 welcomed me.
Please, Stranger, tell me about your Avatar and its meaning, and how it relates to your attitude that you have.

Call themselves we, when their pronoun states they are a he. VOTE: Pine

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Sorry! SuperJacks Archon partner is currently hard reading Dreal. I'll fixed it.
VOTE: drealmerz7

SJ trusts in their friend completely!

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why would i immediately give a reason when seeing what you come up with is more fun?
sharp scummers would figure it had something to do with drealmerz. ;>
~Chara

pedit: can you walk through your thought process there, Postie?
peditx2: we is a personal pronoun, he is a third-person pronoun! the two aren't comparable!

Well, Seems like I managed to break reality because I did Compare.

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Forgot to sign my posts! ^

SuperJack wrote some of them^

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Also If I post to much. It's because I play much shorter games. Said SuperJack.

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viewtopic.php?f=83&t=70047

^dreal was scum for the first 75 pages of this before the game was rerolled. I felt like some of how he was playing here felt a bit like his play there. I haven't seen his town game before so it's nothing particularly solid, but it felt enough like scum-aggression that I was willing to go with it. And then 29 is terrible and the main reason I'm scumreading dreal now.

-- Postie

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scum-aggression

Wait no that's not quite what I meant. It's more the trollishness I guess idk something just feels a bit fake and wrong in the same way it did there.

-- Postie

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No, you're still a solid scumread. How well I articulate my scumread has no bearing on how hard I'm scumreading you.
Weren't you townreading me not too long ago? That's a very funny shift in how you're approaching me.

-- Postie

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I'm not gonna lie dreal I'm legit scumreading you already here

-- Postie

but is that because you're townreading my tone and then compensating for fear of being wrong based on In Memory?

why is 29 terrible? I wanted to know if you were town-reading me by tone (as you did in In Memory) and then switching your read based on your inaccuracy at doing that in that game- seems pretty reasonable to me?

This kind of shitty discredit does not come from town.
Vote dreal.

-- Postie

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Trying to dismiss my read as me being fucking dumb enough to use "I townread you in another game where you were scum and I'm townreading you here so you must be scum here" as actual reasoning isn't even close to trying to understand my thought process.

-- Postie

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I wasn't trying to dismiss it, that was a guess, I asked you a question with it, you could have simply said "no that'd be stupid" and then given your thoughts, instead we're here, and you're still not explaining the read (believe me, I understand not being able to describe why I have a SR, it's nothing damning), that's all I'm trying to do, is understand

it was perhaps my mistake suggesting an explanation for you instead of just letting you explain, but, that was where my mind went, and so I shared it

This post feels appeasey as fuck.

-- Postie

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The comparison to the linked game so far seems a horrible one, both in game type and differences in posting. I personally don't plan on signing. I'll post more betterer when I'm home.

Yeah, like I said, it wasn't anything solid; just something that made me want to vote him in early-game. It's his reactions to my scumread of him that are making me want to lynch him now.

-- Postie

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believe me, I understand

that's all I'm trying to do, is understand

The phrasing just... ugh. Doesn't feel like a natural response in this situation sorry.

-- Postie

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so when exactly did the read become solid?

Post 29 and everything after it.

-- Postie

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Crazy tunnels are how I read people. If you're town I'll probably see it eventually. Right now I don't.

-- Postie

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All hail our saviour Equinox!

VOTE: ThinkMomo

Sowing seeds of confusion already.

???

-- Postie

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Is there a link to the setup? I couldn't find it. =/

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Lol it's a closed setup.

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I don't think we have bicycles yet, so

*hands postie a paddle* - you can go ahead and backpaddle

Do you think postie is scum? If so, vote?

I know Postie isn't scum.

=)

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I tend to frown upon those whom RP.
As it tends to add a barrier too reading them.

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Question, I've not played a closed setup before.
Is there any certain setup restrictions or pasterns or whatnot they follow?
Because from what Prism has said there is three scum?
And neutrals are possible?

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So it's basically an assumption of the most probable scenario?
Hmmm. Alright. That's neat.
Someone claimed Miller, is this believable?

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Pine
Prism
ThinkMomo
PenguinPower
Börk Börk
Drealmerz7
Infinity 324
Almost Chara
Empking
Wraith
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Nancy

As much fun as it is to vote Pine.
VOTE: nancy.
Realistically, this is where we should be.

Oh a list.
Here is another just as useful list.
Bread.
Milk.
Eggs.
Butter.
Cheese.
Tea.
Biscuits.
Crumpets.
Sausage.

Let's say Nancy stopped existing, whom is next on your scum list, and why?

Also, is Omgus always scummy, or is it just an attack to weaken someone's return vote on them?

What's your opinion on Dreal, whom is hovering uselessly in the middle of your list? Surely you must have an opinion, my partner was showing me their last game which they where and comparing similarities. And I have to agree they loom scummy from a Meta view.
But without me looking into it, my meta view would be biased. Yet I trust postie, and I believe they are right at this point.

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135 is vague and I'm trying to clarify it. You don't have to be so cranky.

I don't see why OMGUSing you and saying your reads suck is scummy.

Yeh that. They did suck. If someone gave shit reads and voted got for it, why does that make them scummy?
Although, wouldn't one then push to clarify the means, dig reason outz and not just leave it dead in the water.

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Don't feel afraid to engage me just because I'm a stranger. I want war dammit!

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Guys. I think red is mafia.

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@Prism

Why is EmpKing asking you why I asked about Dreal in the middle of the list?

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ThinkMomo, I think people are having problems asking the right people, and answering the right people.

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Empking, because maybe he thought dreal was prominent enough for everyone to have a read on (even though that's not true)

How is that relevant to his position in the list?

=)

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I should probably stop answering for people, I'm too impatient lol

The person whom is asking the wrong person is more to blame.

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What does prism's post have to do with anything?

Superjack, if you think something should've been addressed to you, answer it!

Nope. Not gonna happen, If someone wants to know why I posted something they can ask me.

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Superjack, why did you ask why dreal was in the middle of the list?

Because placing someone we read as scum, in the middle of any list, is deemed worthy of an investigation.
I'm not 100% sure if they even replied to me. But slap me if I'm wrong they just basically said "Can't read them"
Because, I don't see a can't, I see a won't. A refusal, because you can get a read on anyone if you try. No one is Un-readable.

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P.S. I feel it;s going to be impossible to fake anything and get it past The Wood Cutters. Between them 3 they have seen almost everything I'm capable of, so I'm going to come clean: We're just a mere VT

You wanna take a guess why I seriously hate this post, this part in particular?

They used "It;s"?
They claimed?
They used 3 and not three?
They used P.S. at the start of the post~?
They wanted to lie?
That you have seen "Almost" everything they are capable of?
That they came "Clean"?
That they said "Mere" VT?

TELL ME.

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No one is Un-readable.

MEUAHAHAHA

You'll understand that and what it means one day.

Just not good enough.

=)

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My brain's a little fuzzy right now so I don't have anything major to contribute right now but I'm mostly caught-up.

Why is OMGUS scummy? I've found it a decently reliable towntell dependent on a few factors (name kind of player)

The question mark nonsense is a pretty bad mischaracterization and I don't like that you're selling it. She made it explicit that she doubted the certainty of the reads, which has to do with interpreting syntactical choices. The significance of the punctuation is in what it signals. I'd get it if there were confusion over

where

it would make a difference, but it is crystal clear on my end and I suspect to anyone who read the posts in question.

I was typing up responses to the Woodcutters/nancy thing but Prism said everything I wanted to say here.

P.S. I feel it;s going to be impossible to fake anything and get it past The Wood Cutters. Between them 3 they have seen almost everything I'm capable of, so I'm going to come clean: We're just a mere VT

This comment seems to be the basis for the wagon that's forming on Almost Chara. I think someone criticised it for assuming The Wood Cutters are town but I think that's dumb because it's possible to assume someone is town for the sake of a hypothetical scenario without assuming they're town in the game. What I don't understand is why they'd comment on how hard it would be to fake things with town!WC in the game, since that seems like a scum!Almost versus town!WC scenario, which town!Almost shouldn't need to worry about? But I'm also having a hard time buying that scum!Almost would just write up what they're worried about as scum and post it in the game thread. So I'd really just like some clarification from Almost Chara about wtf they were trying to say.

More stuff later.

-- Postie

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Spoiler: Stream-Of-Consciousness Wall

* Pine has a one-post ISO
* T&B scumreading dreal right off the bat is ew. This is pretty typical dreal. One reason why I ignored the thread for the first couple days was because people were pushing so hard on easy target dreal
* Seriously using meta to justify a page 3 scumread? Uh
* And another (nancy) jumps on dreal for being dreal. This is an infuriating reality of every dreal game.
* I really don't like how T&B keeps digging a tunnel with a spoon
* Again I'm super-skeptical of Infinity's Miller claim. It was totally unprompted, but that means nothing when it comes to Miller claims - it could just as easily be scum trying to preemptively justify an investigation result as it could be town preemptively attempting to dispel uncertainty. But his flavor claim (Edward V) makes

absolutely

no sense IMO. Richard III would make

much

more sense for a Miller. Miller also seems like a very unusual pick for a Mini, unless it's only part of the role.
* Bork's entrance jumping immediately on the dreal wagon is super scummy
* Same with Empking
* I like Prism's entrance into the game though
* While I'm skeptical of Infinity's Miller claim I approve of his posting so far
* WoodCutters seriously needs to sign their bloody posts EDIT: And they refuse to which is fucking annoying
* I have to agree with WC that nancy's literal OMGUS is awful
* I think T&B's #145 is awful. I don't think I'm the first to point this out
* Bork's #147 um...
* I hate AC's entrance into the game too. Of the other two I mentioned earlier, Bork is still really scummy to me but Empking got better
* ARGH SPAM WC STAHP
* ARGH BADLY-FORMATTED WALLS DREAL STAHP
* AC and nancy both lash out at a different player for "butting in" while they are having a conversation with someone else. They both use it as an easy excuse to not answer the player who "butt in"
* @WC: There were two reasons I just ignored the drealmerz drama after that comment - yeah, laziness was one, and the second was something you mentioned: it's really easy to get sucked into defending drealmerz for a long period that doesn't do much good, especially since committing to defending a particular player hardcore this early could be self-defeating
* OH GOD THE SPAM PLS NO The worst thing about WC's spam is that I feel obligated to actually read it because their heads actually say things of import
* AC's WIFOM-heavy #275 is terrible. Most egregious is their insistence that Tracker or Neapolitan would catch them if they were fakeclaiming - AC could easily just be a Goon.

Right now I could go for Bork, Nancy, AC, or T&B about in that order.

Since this already has some footing:

VOTE: nancy

Didn't you say you thought Infinity's Miller claim was fake? Why isn't he in your lynchpool?

-- Postie

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Furthermore, why were posts such as

4 pages while I was asleep 0_0

I'm a miller

Miller? In a Mini?

...Really?

King Edward V*

rofl are you serious?

One of the Princes in the Tower? A Miller?

I just don't buy it.

not accompanied by a vote on Infinity?

VOTE: Wraith

It feels like you're trying to find something to nitpick for the sake of it, allowing you to criticise Infinity without having to commit to a real push on him. It's scummy and also reads like potential distancing. 130 in particular is terrible; I don't know how to explain it but just read it dear god.

If Wraith flips scum lynch Infinity.

-- Postie

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Also I'm not scumreading dreal anymore. I started doubting the scumread pretty quickly but wanted to keep pushing him to see if anything useful would come out of it. He's producing some content now that looks like I could potentially get a read from when I have a clearer head so I'm not really interested in tunneling there anymore.
Almost Chara's probably town too.

P-Edit

You say Wraith is scummy for his push on Infinity.

Then you say it's distancing meaning they're scumbuds.

So that means you think Infinity is scum lying meaning you would also agree with Wraith saying Infinity is lying.

Your argument being that if he's criticising Infinity for something he knows is true then it can't be scummy? Fuck no. It's how he's going about things that's the problem. He's heavily criticising Infinity for something that implies he thinks Infinity is scum while avoiding committing to a push or even a fucking

read

on him, and that's scummy regardless of whether they're partners or not.

-- Postie

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Okay. Then are you going to explain what it is?

-- Postie

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In order for you to think Wraith's push to be scummy, you have to believe in the miller claim.

No? Scum!Wraith can call out scum!Infinity for faking a miller claim. Again, it's not the accusation itself that's the problem but rather how Wraith is going about it, which is why I just said it's scummy even in a world where Infinity is town.

-- Postie

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I think you're still misunderstanding my argument.

He's heavily criticising Infinity for something that implies he thinks Infinity is scum while avoiding committing to a push or even a fucking

read

on him

^ This is why I'm scumreading Wraith. It follows from this that Wraith is likely doing one of the following:
a) criticising Infinity just because he needed to produce some sort of content, and then not following up because he thinks Infinity will be too hard to lynch or it'll get him scumread or whatever else, or
b) criticising Infinity because they're partners and he feels the need to distance, and then not following up because he had no intention of actually pushing Infinity and just wanted to throw something out to make them look less like partners.

Infinity might be scum lying about his Miller claim, or he might not be. Both of these scenarios are possible. But in both of them Wraith is scum. I just think b) is more likely.

-- Postie

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I've already said I think b) is more likely, but I'm not like 100% sold on it?
Why are you turning this into a "you have to choose" thing? I believe Wraith is scum independently of whether or not Infinity is scum, so this just feels like an exercise in missing the point.

Like, you don't like how I'm bringing Infinity into it? Fine. Just pretend my post says this:

VOTE: Wraith

It feels like you're trying to find something to nitpick for the sake of it, allowing you to criticise Infinity without having to commit to a real push on him. It's scummy. 130 in particular is terrible; I don't know how to explain it but just read it dear god.

That's my main argument for Wraith being scum and it's a good a reason as any to vote him.

P-Edit - Thanks.

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Nothing. If Wraith flipped scum I'd scumread Infinity purely on (fairly strong, IMO) associatives.

-- Postie

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If you read 285, in the spoiler he actually makes another comment about Infinity's claim making "

absolutely

no sense", so it's not even that Wraith could have just changed his mind. He keeps making sure to call the claim out as

totally

fake and then... doesn't put Infinity in his scumreads, or make any sort of push on him. If they're not partners, then what's Wraith doing? I don't get it man.

P-Edit - Hi Wraith.

-- Postie

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* T&B's scumread of me strangely omits my most recent posts where I'm more comfortable with Infinity

From the same post you list off your scumreads:

* Again I'm super-skeptical of Infinity's Miller claim. It was totally unprompted, but that means nothing when it comes to Miller claims - it could just as easily be scum trying to preemptively justify an investigation result as it could be town preemptively attempting to dispel uncertainty. But his flavor claim (Edward V) makes

absolutely

no sense IMO. Richard III would make

much

more sense for a Miller. Miller also seems like a very unusual pick for a Mini, unless it's only part of the role.

That was your second to last post before leaving the thread for a while before you returned just now. The last post you made before leaving was 298, which makes no mention of Infinity.

So yeah uh no.

-- Postie

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Oh now we get the mention from my more recent posts

10/10 defence after I just pointed out that

* T&B's scumread of me strangely omits my most recent posts where I'm more comfortable with Infinity

was you making shit up.

-- Postie

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I feel like I've seen this episode a hundred times

For the record this was really bad too, but you have to read it in context. There had been plenty of activity, and

this

by itself was what Wraith chose to say when he came to the thread. The comment imples he read at least some of my back-and-forth with dreal; it really wouldn't have been that hard to give an opinion on

something

. But instead he throws out something that just about can't be called out as not being game-relevant, but doesn't actually move the game forward in any way.

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-- Postie

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I felt weird about TWC until whicheverheaditwas talked to me about Wraith over the last few pages. Having trouble explaining it but the way they interacted with me felt super town.

-- Postie

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Wraith's reaction to the miller claim was really good, even if I disagree with it:

4 pages while I was asleep 0_0

I'm a miller

Miller? In a Mini?

...Really?

There's no reason to assume a Miller is particularly unlikely in a Mini, and the "...Really?" makes the post sound fake as fuck.
I don't understand what you're seeing?

[snip]

Like, with regards to Postie, there seem to be two possibilities that include them as town here:

1) They lied in all of those posts and scumread none of it to begin with
2) They townread him for giving more content itself, when he

was doing that before and they didn't like it

Neither of these make sense to me, so perhaps they can submit a third that does.

I scumread him, and then began doubting my scumread (which then turned into a nullread somewhere along the line) but put those feelings to one side and just kept tunneling as a means of trying to sort him. Then our interactions just kinda naturally came to an end, and he was commenting on lots of other things in a way that seemed seriousish and less trolly and therefore readable, so I made a note to read through that stuff later and moved on.
Does that make any more sense?

1) Your interaction with TWC read subjectively more as two scum to me

Could you explain this because it seems like an absurd conclusion to me. I think the way we kept speaking past each other and getting frustrated but still somehow managing to cooperate and find points to agree on makes it very very likely to be TvT.

2) I didn't like SuperJack's confusion about the makeup of the game/size of the scumteam in that the underlying message is he's not scum, even if it's a valid question as town.

SuperJack is new to this site. This is NAI unless you think he's lying about being a newbie.

-- Postie

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@Infinty

- Why haven't you voted anyone yet? Who are you scumreading?

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-- Postie

Also note Wraith's lack of any kind of meaningful attempt to sort anyone when he returned to the thread, beyond "T&B are scum because I expressed suspicion of them and now they're scumreading me".

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What's your read on Prism?

-- Postie

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And your stance on Wraith? Not particularly a fan of how you haven't commented on anything I've brought up so far. I'm scumreading you based on associatives with him after all, so you'd think you might have something to say about that at least.

-- Postie

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If you know it's false, why aren't you trying to explain to me why I'm wrong?

-- Postie

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Okay, fair. Let me hone in on that Wraith read then. What looks genuine? Why is him sharing thoughts with you towny?

-- Postie

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it's more likely for town to have the same thought process as town than scum

False. At least, not in what they say in the thread.

-- Postie

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I bolded exactly what is wrong with that last one. By your timeline, this is the point at which you've come out of scumreading him. Nothing in this statement reflects that, instead portraying the opposite, that crazy tunnels are your thing, but

what you've seen you hate

and don't see coming from town.

I didn't intend for the statement to reflect what I thought. I intended for it to apply pressure and get dreal to convince me I was wrong.

Your given timeline has a scumread, to doubting the scumread, to finally a null read.

Exactly 0 of this is reflected in your posts

,

Have you considered that maybe this was intentional?

These are both things that were just my subjective gut feeling, that they were

not what I wanted to focus on

because of it, and I explicitly said as much:

I think these are extremely weak/more just my own perspective than the above post though, which is what I really want more on, because that post on Drealm makes 0 sense to me.

The fact that you included them anyway and dedicated just as much space to them, knowing ahead of time that I had already admitted they weren't objectively credible and were only my intuitive feeling, really rubs me the wrong way here.

There shouldn't be anything surprising about me wanting to address everything that's put to me. You're reaching.

-- Postie

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tl;dr - the chronology doesn't match up because at that point I wasn't interested in communicating how my read was developing to dreal or anyone else. I wanted him to think I was scumreading him, and that involved overstating and/or being dishonest about my read on him. Sue me.

-- Postie

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I bolded exactly what is wrong with that last one. By your timeline, this is the point at which you've come out of scumreading him. Nothing in this statement reflects that, instead portraying the opposite, that crazy tunnels are your thing, but

what you've seen you hate

and don't see coming from town.

I didn't intend for the statement to reflect what I thought. I intended for it to apply pressure and get dreal to convince me I was wrong.

And for the record what you're saying here about 81 is completely untrue. There are very clear hints that I'm changing my mind; I say "if you're town" and end by saying that "right now" I don't see him as town, which should tell you that I was open to the possibility of him being town and looking for him to change my mind.

-- Postie

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I don't like how the stuff I've said about Wraith is being glossed over and/or ignored by most people.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Wraith already called us as scum but only votes us now that Prism has made the first move and put down a vote.
Why are people still avoiding wagoning this

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Commander Shepard, are you a hydra or an alt?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

First post hasn't been updated yet. I don't think it's particularly hard to figure out who your main is but alright I'll keep quiet.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Top scumread and townread. Go.

Wraith for scum; TWC is town.

-- Postie

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Assume Wraith is town. What changes for you?

I don't have any other scumreads; haven't thought that far ahead. I'd probably start pressuring the lurkers and trying to sort dreal again.

-- Postie

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Why would you have to think about future scumreads?

VOTE: Tea and Biscuits

What I meant was I haven't thought ahead in terms of what changes for me if Wraith flips scum.

-- Postie

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Yeah I meant town sorry.
I'm not sure how you're reading me mixing up two commonly mixed up words as AI?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

This is fairly typical Commander Shepard logic. It's not really AI.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

1) You're thinking about your scumreads versus just having scumreads.

I don't understand what you're saying here. Please elaborate.

2) You haven't thought about Wraith flipping scum because he won't. In other words, I'm saying you haven't thought about Wraith flipping scum because you know he's town.

Or I just mixed up two commonly mixed up words? Not everything is some kind of insane Freudian slip jfc.

A townie response would be that you hadn't considered that case yet.

This is literally what I said.

-- Postie

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I'm curious to how you know something is not AI when someone's join date is today.

They're an alt and I think most people who've played with their main would recognise them here.

-- Postie

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Replying to comments within quotes is ugh.

1) Wraith flipping town would be an event in the

future

- as in, some time

ahead

of now. I don't understand what you don't understand.
2) Why not? Have you actually never seen someone mix up the words "town" and "scum" because I see that happen on regular basis.
3) uigrweoihslktjnsr;eoifdk;hrts;oil

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

1) Assume I'm an alt. That would mean I would be playing under an alt to try to avoid connection to a main account. Trying to shade someone for being someone without proof they are that someone just says that someone sucks and shouldn't be listened to. So you're trying to say that player shouldn't be listened to because they suck. Who knows? That player might suck, but that player isn't in the game.

In other words you are trying to distract from the obvious fact you slipped by trying to get everyone to alt hunt me. Stop it. You slipped own it, vote yourself, let your buddies run the choo choo train.

Your main is blindly obvious and asking me to not take your main into consideration when reading you is silly. Which is what I'm doing. I wasn't trying to say your logic is bad (although it is), I was saying that

your logic here doesn't make you scum

. Although the fact you assumed it was scum!me trying to discredit you probably makes you town.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Trying to get others to think of me as another player rather than me is what I have issue with.

So you'd rather I just let people think you're scum for this push instead, even though I know it's AI for you?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

*NAI

My brain really isn't with it today.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

But what if I'm not who you think I am? You're completely shutting down people from reading me.

You're exactly who I think you are and I'm not shutting down people from reading you because I'm trying to stop them from lynching you

which is what you should want if you're town

yrwhejodlkfhn,arfdkjh,nsfdk

Shepard is most likely town here for reasons I mentioned earlier. They do make pushes like this as town, unfortunately. Stop voting them.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

which is what you should want if you're town

Either alignment prefers to not be lynched, generally speaking.

I know I'm townreading them, which is why I'm telling you not to lynch them and telling them to stop this madness

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Why are you scumreading them, nancy?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Challenge declined.
Unless that's a day action and you're a gladiator in which case I don't even know what to say to you

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Okay well then no that's not happening. I'm town, you're probably town, and I still want a Wraith lynch.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

RCCCCCCCCCCCC

-- POSTIE!!!

[Tea and Biscuits]

Hey now they said they didn't want their alt outed that was in bad form.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Main, I mean.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Why are you scumreading them, nancy?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Commander Shephard, you know how in the last game we completed together someone

totally

scumslipped according to you and we kept telling you it wasn't a slip and then we lynched them and they were town?
Do you maybe want to consider, in light of your track record at catching "slips", that sometimes it's just you?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

then we lynched them and they were town

*they were nightkilled

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

nancy you're being lazy don't be lazy

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

And furthermore, this looks like you're trying to discredit me rather than actually try to get Wraith lynched.

No I'm trying to get you to stop tunneling me so you can be useful and we can lynch Wraith

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Commander, if you just look back at my posts I've literally been mixing up my words in a bunch of other places too because my brain is just derpy right now. And I'm sure now that I've said that you're going to say I faked all those. But sometimes people just mix up words, and I don't really see why that's such a difficult concept for you to grasp here.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

They might be scum but that's not why they're scum.

I thought you were townreading me?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

If this is going to be a thing then I just won't play this game

Huh? If what is? I'm not saying you're scum for not townreading me, if that's how you're reading that.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

I'll let you do your thing and if you just want to not interact with me the entire game then I'll let you do that too but that's going to be really unfun.
Work with me, where you can?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

That's definitely not what I was trying to say. I just wanted to know what changed. Feel free to finish catching up first though if that's easier.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

My read on you never changed. I have you as more town than scum but I'm not about to tell

Shepard

that there's a 0% chance that you're flipping scum and you shouldn't expect me to.

I don't. The phrasing just sounded a bit like you were scumreading me, is all.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

FUCK SORRY I DID IT AGAIN SDLKFGJFDSHL:KDJNKFD:LGJFDGK:L

Aristo can you please edit my posts

I can and have! (In a most obvious manner, but still)
Thanks for asking

Shephard quoted one of the posts and it still has their main's name in it. And they responded by asking about their main's name.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

TWC, Almost Chara, Prism,

Shepard

for town. Wraith scum. Infinity scum if Wraith flips scum. Everyone else I don't have a read on yet.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Talk to me about ThinkMomo, RC? I considered sheeping TWC's logic on on TB but I don't have enough experience with TB.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

I can barely understand what's going on. Tell me about nancy and dreal so I can sheep your read on them, RC?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Your list says you're townreading him what are you doing help

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

lol jk I put the people I already had strong reads on

{nancy, BLANK}
{postie, drealmerz7}
{blank}
{blank}
{blank, blank}
{blank}
{blank, blank, blank}

then randomized the rest of them.

i was gonna wait for reactions to it but I can't actually put someone with 1 post as locktown so

dreal is town here?

???

What

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

I can't really play the game when you're not making sense. ;-;
What's your read on Wraith?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Okay but I literally can't play the game this way.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Yes so please start making sense because this is anti-town. :[

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Okay. Got anything other than gut on nancy and dreal? Or like any particular posts I can look at that seem town to you?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

wuhjdjkshdjkhf I just wanna know why they're town
I'm gonna go do things and come back to this get catching up

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

WTF I REMEMBER YOU POSTING THAT LIKE A WHILE AGO BUT YOU JUST POSTED IT NOW HELP

Tfw

ThinkMomo isn't a terrible wagon but I don't think they've been like,

really

scummy? Someone got a case on them or is this just because of ThinkBig's lurking?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Also I'm opposed to policy lynching Shepard right now unless it turns out they're a vig or something.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

My gut says nancy and RC are both town but my gut can't accurately townread people for shit. Can someone give me some good reasons to think they're town so I can feel validated in my confbias and we can form a T&B/RC/nancy/TWC superhydra quadruple-voter hivemind?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Thanks. I'll blame you if this goes wrong.
I also really want to townread you too ughhh. :[[[

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Oh no I ISO'd you and now I think you're town. :[

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Yeah the scumread was basically down to the Wraith thing, yeah. I've had sort-of a tonal townread on Infinity since the start of the game but it was the kind of tonal townread that I've been wrong on more times than I've been right so in the end that just sort-of turned into a reason to scumread him.
But the thoughts in his ISO flow really nicely. Like he'll do a thing and then he'll come back to it later and develop it and dunno it feels very natural.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

RC hasn't even started playing yet so there's literally no way you can say you know which alignment he is with a straight face

I know, I'm not. My reads on RC lately have been terrible. I'm hopeful that actually playing a game together will improve that since we haven't had any non-Marathon/skype games together in forever.

Also I'm opposed to policy lynching Shepard right now unless it turns out they're a vig or something.

-- Postie

Question mark¿

I don't understand what you don't understand.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Postie: again, why is now being more sure of your townread on Infinity a bad thing?
~Chara

Because I have to stop confbiasing my scumteam pick idk where you're going with this please don't pull a Shepard

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

No what I was saying was that if they

were

a vig,

then

I would policy them.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

I feel extremely apathetic about my games all of a sudden and I know why but I don't know how to fix it. Someone cheer me up?

Spoiler:

These puppers want you to know you're a diamond in the ruff.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Bad RC.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Why do you feel lynching a townread who offers to sheep you if they are wrong is the best play?

This is a question I would like to know the answer to also.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Like I get that you don't exactly have a high opinion of Shepard's play but I don't think they're a lost cause here.

For example, I imagine

I can link you at least 50 examples of me doing that as both alignments and I'm positive that I've seen Postie do it before as town.

if you have the time to dig up some of these links that might change their mind.
I think I remember myself doing this before as town too so I could try and find that but I don't know how long it'd take me or if I'd even manage it at all.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Oh no. *hug*
I'm sorry it didn't work out.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Infinity can take RC's place in the superhydra. I still want to hear from the lurkers, especially Pine and RC's replacement (speaking of which,

Pine needs a prod

), but then I want Wraith dead.
Too many of Wraith's contributions consist of him poking his head into the thread and complaining about something and then leaving, which I think is extremely scum-indicative.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Okay so why does that make you town?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Why does your defence amount to "other people are scummier than me!" rather than explaining why you're not scum here?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

If you're straight-up saying you're not willing to participate in the game right now, then you need to replace out. Otherwise, do something that allows people to read you. For example, what are your reads? Like read over your own damn ISO. Do you see a single reason in there for town not to lynch you? Work with me. Give me a reason to townread you. Tell me who's scum.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Yeah uh what nancy said.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

I 100% guarantee that there is at least one scum between Pine and ThinkMomo.

Okay. What's your reasoning?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

So you think lurking is alignment indicative? Haven't you been lurking too? Why's it scummy in ThinkMomo's case?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Alright. Well I agree there's likely scum in the lurkers, but that's based off PoE.
Sell me on ThinkMomo?

nancy, why is ThinkMomo scum over Wraith?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

I mean the "scum until proven innocent because of lurking" applies to Pine too, right? Why ThinkMomo over Pine, nancy?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

1- Read the post-game section. I totally forgot he was already in another game with me (this one) and bragged about having been able to guess his alignment correct in 2 back-to-back games and made a wish for a third, and he immediately replaced out from this one.

Pretending for a moment that this is realistic situation that could happen - strategic replace-outs are against site rules. RC knows better than that.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Ugh, prodded. I'm going to invoke my replacement protocol here, as I'm basically behind by almost the entire game. My replacement protocol is to skim the previous few pages, take the temperature of the game, and not worry about what I missed. As my first post suggests, I'm Queen Victoria.

What should I know?

We're a week into day 1 and you have 3 posts and no game-relevant content whatsoever. Please start playing the game because that's completely unacceptable.

Anyway, it's now either TM or RC for me. If EITHER flips red I'm going after BOTH nancy and Postie (T&B). The reasoning is in the hydra PT for now, but I'm fairly confident. (Confident enough to drive a lynch on either nancy/Postie before RC/TM if I could. My problem is I'm still weak in constructing cases and making people follow them, so I'll take the TM lynch first to use the Mod-confirmed flip afterwards as it would no longer be "working under the assumption"; i.e. the alignment cannot be refuted).

Chara, do you agree or disagree with your hydra partner's reasoning? Like should I be worried that your slot is going to fuck over town tomorrow? Because we already have Shepard doing their thing and if two slots are pulling this crap we might actually have to start policy lynching.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Prism, you're pushing an uncomfortable amount of people as potential scum. Tell me about your townreads please.

P-edit - I semi-spectated that game and remembered something about fake guilties so I just went with what nancy said. I didn't go back and re-read the game, no. Trying to parse the rest of what you're saying now. Also anyone scumreading AC at this point is terrible or scum.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

[snip]

Okay, uh, well ty for obvtowning and giving me a good laugh. No, me agreeing with nancy without fact-checking every detail of what she said does not mean we were fed information through the same source; it means I didn't fact-check every detail of what she said.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

I don't really get why you wouldn't wait for the full update as my last substantial posts were on page 20, but I'll skip ahead: I have no strong townreads, with only my Wraith and Infinity townleans staying.

Okay. Carry on.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Actually I take that back I really like Empking this game, I still have to ground that but it's apparent to me from my glance over that he's playing much differently than he did in Sakura Wars, where he played really poorly as scum. Whenever I read his posts I actually agree, whereas in Sakura Wars they left me scratching my head wondering why he'd go for that angle (as we were scum together)

Posts like #385 and #702 read very genuinely to me.

Link to Sakura Wars?
Also good point on those posts.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Oh noes. Thanks for leaving us a readslist though. I hope things are better for you in other games!

What Chara said there is sort-of what everyone's been trying to say but Chara just explained it really well. Glad you finally understand, Shepard. I'm sorry if it felt like people were dismissing you unreasonably.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Teh hi

[Tea and Biscuits]

So what does Miller do?

[Tea and Biscuits]

<3 that's good. I should be back into it more. Just been feeling run down recently.

Is it just Sheriff it confuses? What about corner, or invest?
What about when it flips?

[Tea and Biscuits]

<3 that's good. I should be back into it more. Just been feeling run down recently.

Is it just Sheriff it confuses? What about corner, or invest?
What about when it flips?

Sorry to hear about being run down, I've been feeling sort of similarly lately (not sure if it's based on not getting enough sleep/not eating enough or what but I started working the night shift at work and have been pretty solidly drained since my body just isn't used to it yet). Has Postie talked to you about her reads recently? If so, what do you think about them?

Its been a few days since I recieved a message from her. But at that time she was town reading you and then somehow prism, and then she apologized for the game exploding and said i can just jump back in and dont need to read stuff.
but i'll try to catch up.

im not the best person to hydra with, ive only ever done it onces. and we ended up just talking to each other in the game.
but ill try. i just spend the entire day binge watching rick and morty so i'm not as low as before.

[Tea and Biscuits]

For the record, that's another reason why I believe the miller claim. If by LyLo no cop has died, obviously the play should be for the cop to claim at that point, reveal targets and the sort.

IF THERE IS NO COP, you lynch Infinity.

makes sense. i should stop reading posts backwards before I reply.

[Tea and Biscuits]

Strongest scum reads are almost chara ant woddcutter.

:L

I just reread AC's stuff and I think I've been townreading them maybe slightly harder than I should but I still think they're much more likely to be town than not. I want today to end in a Wraith lynch barring one of the people who aren't caught up yet obvscumming. From the looks of it Pine's going to be replaced as well, which I'd like to see accompanied by a deadline extension.

I don't really have anything else to contribute at present.

[Tea and Biscuits]

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

These are both unsatisfactory and scum behavior, the first in particular. Pressure is fine, but I want to emphasize this goes beyond pressure to whole fabrication. If you want to shift gears and explain what you found town in posts that you

made a case for being scummy on

, by all means go for it, but I have a hard time believing that you consider extended fabrication of entire thought processes, reads, and reactions to others to be town play with the goal of success in mind.

"Extended fabrication"? I pointed out what I thought was scummy or potentially scummy, called him scum for it, and just didn't go into the possible counterarguments against those things which were making me doubt my read. I wasn't lying about my reasons for seeing him as potential scum; I just pretended to have more confidence in them than I did.

Does that make more sense?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Welcome CK! Obvtown real quick so I can cross you off my list ty.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

dreamls, shadowez, chara

i can probably sort shadowez correctly with a glance at his post, chara prob too i hope

Go for it. shadowez in particular I need help sorting.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

I just recently played a game i replaced-in wiht one of my best friend on site and i actually tried to pro-town and it failed miserably and im quite salty, so people saying that they expect i "obvtown" kinda irritates me

I've seen you obvtown in like every game I've seen you in so that's just me being dumb and hoping you'll make things just as easy here... which you did! Thanks.

Anyway, I have like half a case for town!AC so hold your horses guys.
Also,

seconding AC's request for deadline extension due to high number of replacements

, in case that makes any difference to Ari.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Been busy and need to sleep now but content coming when I wake up in like 5 hours. Hoping to pull some people out of derptunnels and bad reads then.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Okay, so, a couple of things.

Firstly, my townread on AC. It stems mainly from the following:

RC though I'll call it a "sinking feeling" for now. The replace out at this precise time right after the Newbie game finished (where he was scum and I called him out but nobody listened) doesn't bode well with me.

Here's the link

Of course I could be wrong and imagining things, but that's how I view things right now anyway.

~A50

[somewhere around here A50 starts being called out by a bunch of people for accusing RC of strategically replacing out]

Anyway, it's now either TM or RC for me. If EITHER flips red I'm going after BOTH nancy and Postie (T&B). The reasoning is in the hydra PT for now, but I'm fairly confident. (Confident enough to drive a lynch on either nancy/Postie before RC/TM if I could. My problem is I'm still weak in constructing cases and making people follow them, so I'll take the TM lynch first to use the Mod-confirmed flip afterwards as it would no longer be "working under the assumption"; i.e. the alignment cannot be refuted).

Hmmm.. deliberating with Chara is GOOD as it makes me rethink some stuff. Their arguments ESPECIALLY when they seem to differ from my views and me trying to rephrase my own arguments make me see things.

[...]

My explanation is this:

Since RC knew better, then he probably would not have fed his own scum team false info. So who did? THINKBIG. He was the other one in that game and he thought I faked a guilty on him, and he blamed me post-game, so he is the one who told them about that game.

When? Long before I had provided the link in this game thread.

Why? Because while momo was pushing me with weak sauce (I've never seen him play like that) it was THINKBIG who got paranoid by my VT claim. Scum tried to evaluate that claim to see if it was true (being scum they already know I'm Town, but whether I'm really a VT is what they were trying to figure out). ThinkBig told them about the Newbie game proceedings from his own PoV, and that's how BOTH thought they were telling the right narrative.

Again: I don't know why they would defend RC. RC cannot be pocketed, and he had already requested to replace out (which is why the whole subject was brought up my me in the first place), so I have absolutely no explanation why they would do that.

But that's besides the point. The point is: WRONG NARRATIVE .. TWO SLOTS ... SHORT TIME = Most probably were fed the info through the same source, and that source is most likely ThinkBig.

So, I'm proud to call Thinkmomo, Tea & Biscuits AND nancy: the 3 partners in crime in this game.

(snipped slightly for length)

I would expect A50 as scum, on being told that accusing RC of strategically replacing out is kinda dumb and shitty, to either say "sorry guys yeah that was kinda shitty of me" or double down on it. What I wouldn't expect him to do is talk to his hydra partner and then say "actually, I have CAUGHT THE ENTIRE SCUMTEAM". That feels very much like a confbiased town thing to do.

Especially

Again: I don't know why they would defend RC. RC cannot be pocketed, and he had already requested to replace out (which is why the whole subject was brought up my me in the first place), so I have absolutely no explanation why they would do that.

this part.
He openly admits there are major flaws in his argument, but then goes on to say that that doesn't really matter because he's caught the entire scumteam anyway. It feels

very

confbias-y, as opposed to scum trying to sell a mislynch. I don't think that scum!A50 would think this "case" would convince anyone, especially as he goes on to say

Now, do I even care if anyone believes me? Absolutely not. I'm fairly satisfied to have called the scum team. Whether the Town players are willing to lynch them one after one is totally up to them. The Newbie game may have ended in a scum win but I personally will call it a personal win, because I DID call the scumsters (both of them) in that one too and it was Town!Accountant, Town!TB (on D2) and Town!Drixx (on D3) who opposed me, so totally not my fault that my calls were spot on and they didn't listen.

I'm reading the smug satisfaction here as mildly towny too.

Now, I think there is something to be said for A50 potentially just wanting to pull a case out of their ass to look towny, but overall I find the way the whole thing developed and played out a lot of more likely to come from town.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Secondly, I want to address nancy's read on RC.
Between saying she couldn't read him yet because he hadn't started playing the game, and nancy putting him as her top scumread, RC hadn't really done anything other than call Shepard as the "correct" lynch. I'm assuming, then, that this is probably why nancy scumread RC, and it's something that made me uneasy too. For me, it didn't feel like a genuine push, though I'm not sure I can properly articule why other than that RC was trying to push it as the "correct" play. I wonder if nancy picked up on something similar.

But here's the thing: RC is dishonest about his motivations for wanting someone lynched as town often. It's something that he's required to do a scum, but there are also reasons for town!RC to do so. And in this case, that motive was definitely there. RC has Shepard's main blacklisted, can't stand being in games with them, and has a very low opinion of their town game. But if he said that those were reasons he wanted Shepard lynched in addition to their derptunnel on me, would that be likely to persuade anyone? Probably not. So it makes sense for him to push the lynch from a different angle.

The fact he replaced out immediately after I said I wasn't willing to go along with his push and would rather work with Shepard also makes perfect sense in light of that. In fact, it's town-telling, if anything.

tl;dr: I don't think nancy's read means much here; RC didn't do anything he wouldn't do as town

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Lastly, Wraith.
From what I've gathered, people have been calling him town for posts such as

I don't know. I really don't care, literally anything I do on D1 gets me killed eventually, so why bother?

so I'm here to tell you why that's bullshit.

Does it look genuine? Sure. Does genuine = town? Fuck no.
I buy that Wraith would be frustrated with being mislynched all the time and that this could make him demotivated, but there's no reason for it to bother him any less as scum.
I know this, because I've been in the same situation, and even considered writing up a post bitching about it because I figured people might townread the frustration I was channeling.

He's also using this as a substitute for meaningful content. And that's really the problem I've had with Wraith all game. He's substituting content that moves the game forward with complaining. (The post he made above is another great example of this.)
It's hugely scum-indicative because it's an easy way to say things that look game-relevant but don't mean anything.
Letting Wraith get away with that and even townreading him for it is

shameful

.

Wraith needs to die, today.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Who has said that they're townreading Wraith for that? Who is letting him get away with something he shouldn't be getting away with? If you're referencing the recent post on him that I made, please read it again; I don't think you're understanding the position I'm taking here.

who's townreading him for being frustrated by being mislynched?

I don't know, maybe I imagined it. But there are several people townreading Wraith and that's the ~vibe~ I got at least once or twice from people.
I mean 1325 for example doesn't read as "that's not why I'm townreading Wraith" it reads as "I'm acknowledging what you're saying here and ignoring it".

Trying to figure out where to go from here but I'm probably going to be getting on the fitz wagon.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

VOTE: havingfitz

Not gonna go into my reasoning right now but this is basically the one compromise lynch I'm willing to accept today.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

fitz definitely seems trying to sort people

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Throwing out a bunch of naked reads =/= sorting people

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Someone hammer fitz. I don't see the point in stalling this out any longer and I just want this day to be over now.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

@TWC...I haven't dialogued with you because I think you're scum.

He says while dialoguing with TWC.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Btw if we're nightkilled please lynch Wraith that day. Scum aren't going to kill the townie willing to strongarm a mislynch for them and take the fall for it don't be bad. Just saying that because there's always someone who goes "nightkills are just WIFOM!"

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

???

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

"If we're nightkilled kill our top suspect because there's

no other reason we could possibly die

" is a dumb line of thought.

Well we haven't softed a power role, there isn't a high number of people townreading us, and I've given no other scumreads, so uh

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

wow wtf WC died?

Wtf

wow
WC died
wow wtf

Wtf

wow

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Every time I reread Wraith's posts the only reason I can find to townread him is "too scummy to be scum"

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Because scum can only do so much and don't have the power to magically create wagons without town's support.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

BOTH flipped Townies ended the day voting there.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Why not?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

I don't understand what you're saying.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Mmmmmmaybe. Idk I just don't see shit like

from pure meta, id say that theres probably 1 to mayybbee 2 scum wagoned, max 2 scum on any wagons. max 1 scum vote-bus,

They are probably distrubuted on a high probably mislynch + low probably like any game, 1 on tea/not voting prob

Also the way the votes are positioned, the having + shadow voting could be easily chainsaw, like its almost too clear

The number of votes atm that are on the wagons is like exactly the sweet spot where scum is still only voting for their wincon and not for towncred, 3 is the magical number and so many wagons its so easy to blend in the votes and scum agenda

What would be your thoughts on the VC without pre-flip associatives. IE how many of the wagons do you think are scum and how would you expect scum to be distributed. Not taking into account your reads.

whats yours?

coming from scum? I wouldn't be able to tell you why though. :/

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

I know what you're saying, it's random shit for scum to say but sometimes they do that to get townread.

What's this post supposed to mean because it reads as "this doesn't make sense coming from scum but sometimes scum do towny things"? Which supports my argument rather than countering it.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

But... why?
Idk I keep reading it and it keeps feeling nothing like how scum would approach things. At least not scum!CK. But I don't actually have experience with scum!CK.
Ugh fine I'll dig up some scum!CK games.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

@tea about my scum games i have too many but overall i get sred as town, townread as scum until heavy poe, i get srd as town because im abrasive and i dont care to keep the appearances up like i do when im scum

Link me some scumgames?
So far I've found Bill Wurtz.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

I've always been paranoid I might do something like that by accident.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Oh dear. On the bright side, we got a free "lynch"?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Oh I'm not voting anyone yet.
Well if there's support for a Wraith lynch

VOTE: Wraith

Round 2

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Infinity why am I not townreading you anymore

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Infinity why am I not townreading you anymore

-- Postie

No idea.

But see now the way you're saying that gives off weird vibes. Like you're denying something I haven't accused you of.
I can't tell if this is me-being-dumb paranoia or oh-no-there's-something-actually-wrong paranoia help

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

If you didn't have a specific reason in mind, I can see why you say that. I thought you had a specific reason in mind.

But I doubt you'd catch scum with a 2-word post anyway.

Thought I had a specific reason in mind in what way...?
And what does that last sentence mean?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

I thought you wanted me to guess yor reason for scumreading me. That's why I answered your post at all.

Wrt the second part, it's just that developing a read based on such a small thing usually isn't reliable. Even though that's not your whole read.

Oh. Hmmn. :/

Obviously you don't.

Infinity is scum.

?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

ISO'd you again, Infinity. Townreading you again. Bleh.
Do you have some past scumgames you can link me?

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Hngfnhgfgnfdbhbn I sort-of tonally townread you but my tonal townreads are absolute garbage but they're also usually based on someone seeming "genuine" whereas here's more like you feel town because you feel like you're actually trying to solve the game? Idk I can't shake the feeling you're town but the fact I can't point to specific things and say "yes this definitely reads town and is very unlikely to come from scum" is throwing me off.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

What are your thoughts on prism again?

Give me a moment.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Okay yeah fuck it I'm not just repeatedly call Wraith scum and have people repeatedly not lynch him and just sit around when there's more I could be doing for the sake of having there be less ambiguity around my death if I'm nightkilled. At this rate my read on Wraith will just end up being ignored anyway.

VOTE: Prism

Top scumread since day 1.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

There were three wagons (fitz, AC, Wraith) when Prism started whiteknighting Chara, and Chara seemed to be the hot topic of discussion, with the supporters of the AC wagon being more vocal about it than the supporters of other wagons.
Now, the normal thing for a townie who doesn't like a wagon that's being pushed is to defend the person being wagoned while pushing an alternative wagon. Like, say, one of the other two wagons that already has things going for it. Or perhaps pick another person that people are already suspicious of and that could

feasibly be lynched that day

.
What does Prism do? They pick someone (us) that stood an incredibly slim chance of ever eating rope that day to vote and just keep whiteknighting Chara until deadline

Yeah I'm just gonna defend this slot that looks it'll get lynched while avoiding discussing or promoting either of the two counterwagons to it and voting somewhere completely useless this is totally normal town behaviour

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

VOTE: Chara

Reads are fine but look less legit to me than on first pass, better vote than HF. That's L-1.

L-1 for Chara

Risky with the roleclaims but I think both of these wagons are dogshit.

>three wagons
>spend all your time harddefending the one that looks like it'll be lynched
>as soon as another slot looks like it'll be lynched you're suddenly okay with voting the one wagon you invested all your time defending

IT'S ALMOST AS IF THEY WANTED TO AVOID BEING SEEN SUPPORTING A TOWN MISLYNCH wow

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Towards the end of the day Wraith wasn't really a major wagon anymore so I don't think that makes him at all likely town if that's what you're suggesting. There's no reason for scum to get particularly panicked about a wagon on a partner in the middle of the day when there are already two other wagons of the same size on town, especially since AC was looking like a probable lynch.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

It's funny that you call us sheepers when we've been at the forefront of the Prism push (which has been a constant interaction pretty much since the start of the game), Gin was the one who started the TB/momo paranoia earlier, and I started pushing Wraith because Postie did.

Gee I can't imagine why this was nightkilled

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Oh no Wraith might be town. I'm too tired to parse this shit right now but I'll get to it in the morning.

In the meantime

@Wraith

- explain to me

I've been extremely scummy to a deliberate extent the entire game,

a) exactly what the thought process behind the above was and why you would think that was a good idea ever, and
b) why you would claim before you got the chance to successfully use your role.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Sorry, some stuff came up. Will get to this ASAP.
I have no idea what's happened to my hydra partner.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

Finally done catching up.

Wraith is town for too many posts for me to quote. I also kinda think dreal is town too? Really the only things that jumped out as scummy to me in that fight were Prism's contributions.

Well Wraith I guess I'm mafia.

Like just this sentence alone

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

a meta read that I can probably disprove if I check, so that's the next step here

I'll wait

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

This goes double when the other head has essentially flaked and is too afraid to post out of fear of messing it up.

I want to highlight how reachy and dumb this is and how much someone as thoughtful as Prism would not resort to sinking to this level of lazy reasoning as town.

I like that tone. I think they are dead wrong, but I like how they fight for that read.

They're literally just pulling the same shit on me that zefiend pulled with his case on the you-Math hydra in In Memory.

What they pushed at the early day is irrelevant, I am concerned with when they died.

They wanted to know about the slot my slot was pushing and Drealmerz.

TWC were basically the only ones applying pressure to Prism and said towards the end of the day that they would keep applying pressure unless fitz flipped scum, which he didn't. Then there was their CK push, which Infinity just helpfully quoted. They were also trying to reach out to Wraith, but were not townreading him, noted that he felt different from his usual game, and made it clear they would keep appling pressure.

As far as I'm aware they didn't have any other scumreads or people they said they would be pressuring towards the end of the day.

So if Wraith is town here, which I strongly believe he is now, that doesn't look great for you or Prism. Maybe you're town and they were only killed for their Prism read, but if that's the case you need to vote Prism and the fact you're trying to avoid doing so I'm finding sketchy.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

His reasoning has much more depth than I saw from him when he was scum in In Memory. He's still the same old shouty ragey dreal but he's actually investing in considering people's motivations and things. Stuff like 2100.

-- Postie