Mini Normal 1897: Chocolate Mafia - Game Over

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VOTE: twoface

L-5

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^well that's a bad vote

Well that's stupid. I thought we were going to be a power couple

twoface, explain this

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ohh ok

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do i get to be the rvs wagon

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i'm enjoying this game already

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I believe the miller claim

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Lol did transcend scumread his own slot? I think he's trolling tbh. Gut lean town.

VOTE: rb

I don't like his vote on tb. The reasoning he gives is so convoluted for like page 3. Why would scum!tb be so intent on finding an excuse to vote you? Also yes not making sense isn't a scumtell but neither is voting someone for not making sense.

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VOTE: transcend

I still town read him but everyone arguing about post restrictions is going to get old pretty fast, so I'm down for making him talk.

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I'm only L2

I claim confirmable town that was trying to avoid a nk

Oh well

Why are you claiming at l-2?

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Lmao

Ok now that we're done with that

VOTE: rb

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Lmao

Ok now that we're done with that

VOTE: rb

So you vote for Transcend even though you TR him, he still hasn't done much of anything and now your vote is back on rb?

Yes.

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TwoFace why do you think transcend faking a post restriction (in a normal game) was scummy

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Also transcend now that you're talking can you restate/explain your reads

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@twoface

Eh I've never considered faking post restrictions part of any accepted scum meta so I think it's a little dangerous to use that logic

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do you believe in lynch all liars

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sounds pretty crazy to me tbh. Why would scum willingly sacrifice a member for an easy nk, which doesn't even take into account the possibility of a protective role. That would be a terrible move for scum

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sounds pretty crazy to me tbh. Why would scum willingly sacrifice a member for an easy nk, which doesn't even take into account the possibility of a protective role. That would be a terrible move for scum

Sacrifice a goon for a pr is a win for scum any day of the week. This is like chess. Sacrifice the pawn for the queen or king.

Maybe, but one dead scum means that their relationships are going to be analyzed and could screw it up for their partners. Honestly only a team of experienced scum would try what you're implying.

Also, like I said, protective roles are possible and would screw up the entire plan. It just seems high risk, low reward to me.

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sounds pretty crazy to me tbh. Why would scum willingly sacrifice a member for an easy nk, which doesn't even take into account the possibility of a protective role. That would be a terrible move for scum

I did it as scum before on d1

This wasn't the game we were both in was it?

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Hey it was my first scum game on site.

I was going to say...probably not the best example lol

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has anyone been in a game with a miller without a cop? like just to fuck with the setup spec?

i agree that cop, watcher AND backup watcher is pretty ridiculous

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Mafia watcher and town backup watcher is super swingy depending on which of them dies first.

So scum watcher exists only if the backup watcher is also scum (and I believe eager's claim).

Also eager can you answer my question

Ohhh ok the backups can cross alignments

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If there's a scum watcher, why would scum!eager claim backup watcher?

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If there's a cop, I agree with the line of reasoning that transcend is the most likely one to be lying.

Note: this does not mean to claim cop

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wait, actually no i don't.

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You still have 3+ hours of work yet you have time to post a naked vote?

I've been town and just not been in the mood to post before even though I've said I would when I get off work. This isn't a line of reasoning worth pursuing tbh

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If there's a cop, I agree with the line of reasoning that transcend is the most likely one to be lying.

Note: this does not mean to claim cop

Yeah honestly I'm not certain there is a cop and we aren't sure what transcend's role is. I need to rethink this

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Hey y'all I'm back. At work right now so I'll resume actual posting by tonight.

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Is there a mass claim going on? I haven't caught up yet

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I'm a vt

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jesus

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I don't really have any amazing insights, sorry. My first instinct was that there's no way all three scum were on transcend's wagon

Vote Count 1.25 (FINAL)

Transcend (7):

Darkshadow64540 (67), TwoFace (84), Boonskiies (640), horrordude0215 (685), ThinkBig (761), hapahauli (849), Transcend (866)

rb (1):

aronagrundy (151)

TwoFace (1):

rb (472)

Eddie Cane (1):

Something_Smart (527)

hapahauli (1):

Eddie Cane (602)

Not Voting (2):

I Am Innocent, eagerSnake (764)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

D1 deadline is Monday, April 10th 2017, 6:00PM PST or in (expired on 2017-04-10 18:00:00).

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I'm confident hap is scum. Maybe I'm just a narcissist, but what stuck out to me was that his reads on me are inconsistent. He goes from scumreading me d1 to leaning town on me d2 and then votes me.

Tb struck me as the most eager to go after Transcend. logically I figure that scum wouldn't want to push transcend to claim so early since they wouldn't actually be expecting to lynch in 2 days and would want everyone to continue scumreading a pr.

rb reads as town to me but it would make sense if he was scum defending transcend.

VOTE: hapahauli

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Also since I feel like the wagon on me is just as much because of my activity as poe:

The day that Transcend was lynched I was at work all day and was busy the entire evening. I get home and see that the day is over.

I was out of town with friends this weekend and it's taken a while for me to catch up.

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Even if you're intent on lynching me, please don't do it just yet. I think the transcend wagon and the claims are the key to solving the game.

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Like I feel like I've just become a sort of abstract concept to the town at this point. Like we're not really lynching me as much as we're lynching the idea of me.

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Actually thinking about it, if scum was expecting the transcend wagon to dissipate, I can see more than one scum being on it. But not all. One of rb/ss is scum.

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I was thinking about horror/hap

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Man, that hap scum read fits right back into my scum lists. Idk which side is scum.

Also, he FOS Smart, then votes the same person as Smart.

I actually don't like how Eager wasn't brought up at all either.

By me? I was just running down the list of vt claims honestly.

I townread him at the start because a backup watcher claim didn't make sense as scum to me...but if he's a scum!watcher that could make sense. I'm not really sure what the utility of a scum watcher is, though. Doesn't seem like it'll be of much benefit and if there are so many town PRs in the first place a mass claim would happen sooner rather than later...defeating the purpose of a scum watcher. Outside of the claims though he's struck me as active and I sorted him as town.

The one thing that made me pause about him was his meta read on me because the game he was talking about was a bastard game where I was a day sk that lost my ability to kill in a role shuffle and that only loosely applies to most associations, but if he was scum I don't see much value in offering a token defense of me just to eventually backtrack.

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Well let me put it this way: I'm confident there's scum in {ss, rb} and in {you}

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Well more like its 1-2 in {tb, hap, horror} and 1 but probably not 2 in {rb, ss}

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I didn't see your post when I typed that

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Do you actually think I might be bussing hapa?

...yes?

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Great job scum! Especially boon.

I'm sorry I wasn't able to post more! Everything really did just happen at the worst possible time.

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btw great modding bv, your vote counts were on point