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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:25 am

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Vote Count 1.15

rb (3):
aronagrundy (), ThinkBig (), Boonskiies ()

Transcend (2):
Darkshadow64540 (), TwoFace ()

TwoFace (2):
hapahauli (), rb ()

ThinkBig (1):
Eddie Cane ()

aronagrundy (1):
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horrordude0215, I Am Innocent, Something_Smart (), eagerSnake ()


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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Post Post #526 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:38 am

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Chocolate cake pictures r triggering me

I've been a glutton and over indulged on chocolate cake more than a few times making myself sick feeling. Now I can't eat the stuff
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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:54 am

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In post 518, TwoFace wrote:
In post 55, TwoFace wrote:I'd rather pretend the claim never happened and judge him based how he actually plays. If he looks like scum, I'll lynch him. If he doesn't, I won't.
tbh this is how we should be treating SS.

We should not ever advocate lynching him simply because he claimed miller.
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:57 am

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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:55 am

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This is where I'm at:

RB, EagerSnake, and TB are obv-town.
They're contributing, have their try-hard pants on, and are the driving force behind the game.
Transcend is also probably town
, since he's making a ton of sense so far and is pushing a lot of pro-town objectives.

Boon and TwoFace are ok, and I lean town on.
Boon is active, but is being dumb and pushing a lot of mafia objectives (instigating suspicion against obv-townies). TwoFace is in a similar boat. Active, and contributing, but not suspecting the right things. Regardless, I don't think the lynch should be going their way today.

Something_Smart I'm pretty null on.
His activity is "meh". The miller claim is NAI. But I can't really find anything scummy or townie to point into his filter.

HorrorDude and I_am_innocent are not active.

Scumreads are Eddie, DarkShadow, and Aronagrundy.


For the sake of formatting, will elaborate on each of them in the next post.
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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:05 am

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@hap - if you have a town lean on 2F, then why is your vote still on him?
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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:06 am

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rb is not obv town, especially when he is guilty of doing what he says scum does. his own definition points himelf to being scum for fucks sake
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Post Post #532 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:07 am

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: EddieCane

I'm probably most convinced on Eddie, because he's had the opportunity to post and contribute, but his contributions are pretty bad.

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Firstly, he has a bunch of janky town-reads. Bad reads aren't necessarily alignment indicative, but the lack of paranoia he's showing doesn't feel very townie.
In post 146, Eddie Cane wrote:the fact transcend is l-1 already means he's probably town
Anyone can get run-up to l-1 early game... it's not exclusive to townies. Yet, Eddie is very against even considering the Transcend lynch, and posts #6-13 in his ISO all defend Transcend in some way.
In post 484, Eddie Cane wrote:eager and RB r town lol
This is probably correct. However it's the attitude that's scummy here. He's not interested in stopping suspicion on RB and Eager. He's just throws in a very dismissive comment and doesn't seem interested in elaborating on it at all.
In post 521, Eddie Cane wrote:I think arona is probably town
This read is the worst of the bunch. Reading Arona town because "gut" is both useless and stretches believability.

I think one or two bad town reads are individually excusable. All of them combined point to something mafia-motivated.


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Secondly, take a look at his scumread contributions (I've quoted them all here):
In post 92, Eddie Cane wrote:VOTE: ss
In post 94, Eddie Cane wrote:I don't believe him no
In post 196, Eddie Cane wrote:fos ThinkBig
In post 467, Eddie Cane wrote:VOTE: thinkbig

Transcend I'm obviously a pr playing shitty so I'm not nkd cmon man...........
He's just not taking scumhunting seriously. Look in his filter, and compare the effort he puts into justifying setup speculation and town reads. By contrast, his scumhunting is shit, and he's voting TB (who is obv-town as all hell).
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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:08 am

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In post 530, ThinkBig wrote:@hap - if you have a town lean on 2F, then why is your vote still on him?
Formatting. See post above.
In post 531, TwoFace wrote:rb is not obv town, especially when he is guilty of doing what he says scum does. his own definition points himelf to being scum for fucks sake
No. Your fight is TvT. Hypocrisy is both subjective and non-alignment indicative.
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Post Post #534 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:09 am

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In post 529, hapahauli wrote:They're contributing, have their try-hard pants on, and are the driving force behind the game.
This does not equal town.
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:10 am

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hapa's reasoning is hella weak.

that said, I'd like to see more eddie votes
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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:10 am

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In post 533, hapahauli wrote:
In post 530, ThinkBig wrote:@hap - if you have a town lean on 2F, then why is your vote still on him?
Formatting. See post above
Fair enough
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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:11 am

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In post 535, Something_Smart wrote:hapa's reasoning is hella weak.

that said, I'd like to see more eddie votes
Hapa's reason to SR Eddie is weak yet you want to see more Eddie votes?
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:11 am

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In post 534, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 529, hapahauli wrote:They're contributing, have their try-hard pants on, and are the driving force behind the game.
This does not equal town.
It does not guarantee town, but given the dynamics of the game so far and other traits in their filter (emotional, posting the first thing that comes to their mind, etc), I'm pretty sure it's town.

Who's more likely to be mafia? The two idiots screaming at each other in thread, or the guys in the background letting it happen?
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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:12 am

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In post 535, Something_Smart wrote:hapa's reasoning is hella weak.

that said, I'd like to see more eddie votes
...
In post 527, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 518, TwoFace wrote:
In post 55, TwoFace wrote:I'd rather pretend the claim never happened and judge him based how he actually plays. If he looks like scum, I'll lynch him. If he doesn't, I won't.
tbh this is how we should be treating SS.

We should not ever advocate lynching him simply because he claimed miller.
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VOTE: Eddie Cane
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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:13 am

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In post 537, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 535, Something_Smart wrote:hapa's reasoning is hella weak.

that said, I'd like to see more eddie votes
Hapa's reason to SR Eddie is weak yet you want to see more Eddie votes?
Precisely.
In post 538, hapahauli wrote:
In post 534, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 529, hapahauli wrote:They're contributing, have their try-hard pants on, and are the driving force behind the game.
This does not equal town.
It does not guarantee town, but given the dynamics of the game so far and other traits in their filter (emotional, posting the first thing that comes to their mind, etc), I'm pretty sure it's town.

Who's more likely to be mafia? The two idiots screaming at each other in thread, or the guys in the background letting it happen?
Some of both...
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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:13 am

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In post 540, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 538, hapahauli wrote:
In post 534, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 529, hapahauli wrote:They're contributing, have their try-hard pants on, and are the driving force behind the game.
This does not equal town.
It does not guarantee town, but given the dynamics of the game so far and other traits in their filter (emotional, posting the first thing that comes to their mind, etc), I'm pretty sure it's town.

Who's more likely to be mafia? The two idiots screaming at each other in thread, or the guys in the background letting it happen?
Some of both...
That's a false dichotomy btw
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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:15 am

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In post 538, hapahauli wrote:
In post 534, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 529, hapahauli wrote:They're contributing, have their try-hard pants on, and are the driving force behind the game.
This does not equal town.
It does not guarantee town, but given the dynamics of the game so far and other traits in their filter (emotional, posting the first thing that comes to their mind, etc), I'm pretty sure it's town.

Who's more likely to be mafia? The two idiots screaming at each other in thread, or the guys in the background letting it happen?
This is a good point. I've lost so many games due to nasty TVT and the scum team just sitting back and letting town eat itself alive. It's one of the things I need to work on in my play
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:17 am

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In post 541, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 540, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 538, hapahauli wrote:
In post 534, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 529, hapahauli wrote:They're contributing, have their try-hard pants on, and are the driving force behind the game.
This does not equal town.
It does not guarantee town, but given the dynamics of the game so far and other traits in their filter (emotional, posting the first thing that comes to their mind, etc), I'm pretty sure it's town.

Who's more likely to be mafia? The two idiots screaming at each other in thread, or the guys in the background letting it happen?
Some of both...
That's a false dichotomy btw
How is it false? It's what I see happen repeatedly in games on this site. People go after the loud, controversial targets for lynches, and mafia lets town eat itself alive.

Why are you even attacking my reasoning if you are suspicious of EddieCane as well? To be voting him in this spot, you should realize that most of what I'm saying is valid.
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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:18 am

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In post 532, hapahauli wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: EddieCane

I'm probably most convinced on Eddie, because he's had the opportunity to post and contribute, but his contributions are pretty bad.

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Firstly, he has a bunch of janky town-reads. Bad reads aren't necessarily alignment indicative, but the lack of paranoia he's showing doesn't feel very townie.
In post 146, Eddie Cane wrote:the fact transcend is l-1 already means he's probably town
Anyone can get run-up to l-1 early game... it's not exclusive to townies. Yet, Eddie is very against even considering the Transcend lynch, and posts #6-13 in his ISO all defend Transcend in some way.
In post 484, Eddie Cane wrote:eager and RB r town lol
This is probably correct. However it's the attitude that's scummy here. He's not interested in stopping suspicion on RB and Eager. He's just throws in a very dismissive comment and doesn't seem interested in elaborating on it at all.
In post 521, Eddie Cane wrote:I think arona is probably town
This read is the worst of the bunch. Reading Arona town because "gut" is both useless and stretches believability.

I think one or two bad town reads are individually excusable. All of them combined point to something mafia-motivated.


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Secondly, take a look at his scumread contributions (I've quoted them all here):
In post 92, Eddie Cane wrote:VOTE: ss
In post 94, Eddie Cane wrote:I don't believe him no
In post 196, Eddie Cane wrote:fos ThinkBig
In post 467, Eddie Cane wrote:VOTE: thinkbig

Transcend I'm obviously a pr playing shitty so I'm not nkd cmon man...........
He's just not taking scumhunting seriously. Look in his filter, and compare the effort he puts into justifying setup speculation and town reads. By contrast, his scumhunting is shit, and he's voting TB (who is obv-town as all hell).
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:19 am

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In post 542, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 538, hapahauli wrote:
In post 534, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 529, hapahauli wrote:They're contributing, have their try-hard pants on, and are the driving force behind the game.
This does not equal town.
It does not guarantee town, but given the dynamics of the game so far and other traits in their filter (emotional, posting the first thing that comes to their mind, etc), I'm pretty sure it's town.

Who's more likely to be mafia? The two idiots screaming at each other in thread, or the guys in the background letting it happen?
This is a good point. I've lost so many games due to nasty TVT and the scum team just sitting back and letting town eat itself alive. It's one of the things I need to work on in my play
Like Eddie and DarkShadow are basically doing what you did as mafia in Open 678.

I understand there's always margin for error in Day 1 cases, but going after people that are sitting back in the shadows are far more likely to turn up mafia than loud, controversial, and emotional players.
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:19 am

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"Anyone can get run-up to l-1 early game... it's not exclusive to townies. Yet, Eddie is very against even considering the Transcend lynch, and posts #6-13 in his ISO all defend Transcend in some way. "

JSYK I think it's p dumb to lynch someone who claimed confirmable u_u
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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:21 am

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In post 543, hapahauli wrote:How is it false? It's what I see happen repeatedly in games on this site. People go after the loud, controversial targets for lynches, and mafia lets town eat itself alive.
It implies that the answer can't be both. With the amount of idiots screaming at each other this game has had, one of them is almost certainly scum. Though I am in agreement that the right place to look for scum right now is in the people in the background.
Why are you even attacking my reasoning if you are suspicious of EddieCane as well? To be voting him in this spot, you should realize that most of what I'm saying is valid.
Why are those two things inconsistent? I think Eddie is scum, but not for the reasons you listed.
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:22 am

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In post 545, hapahauli wrote:
In post 542, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 538, hapahauli wrote:
In post 534, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 529, hapahauli wrote:They're contributing, have their try-hard pants on, and are the driving force behind the game.
This does not equal town.
It does not guarantee town, but given the dynamics of the game so far and other traits in their filter (emotional, posting the first thing that comes to their mind, etc), I'm pretty sure it's town.

Who's more likely to be mafia? The two idiots screaming at each other in thread, or the guys in the background letting it happen?
This is a good point. I've lost so many games due to nasty TVT and the scum team just sitting back and letting town eat itself alive. It's one of the things I need to work on in my play
Like Eddie and DarkShadow are basically doing what you did as mafia in Open 678.

I understand there's always margin for error in Day 1 cases, but going after people that are sitting back in the shadows are far more likely to turn up mafia than loud, controversial, and emotional players.
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my only scum game on this alt. meta is bad and ur obviously gonna come back with that so idc, but u tried to read me and darkshadow off of how someone else played as scum...?
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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:22 am

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In post 547, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 543, hapahauli wrote:How is it false? It's what I see happen repeatedly in games on this site. People go after the loud, controversial targets for lynches, and mafia lets town eat itself alive.
It implies that the answer can't be both. With the amount of idiots screaming at each other this game has had, one of them is almost certainly scum. Though I am in agreement that the right place to look for scum right now is in the people in the background.
Why are you even attacking my reasoning if you are suspicious of EddieCane as well? To be voting him in this spot, you should realize that most of what I'm saying is valid.
Why are those two things inconsistent? I think Eddie is scum, but not for the reasons you listed.
Why do you think I'm scum?

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