Newbie 1779 | Spring | Dead Thread

[mhsmith0]

If there's just one thing RC approves of and enjoys, it's being hard tunneled due to generic paranoia of his scum game

[mhsmith0]

If no one else is around at deadline, then I will hammer. Mastina is far from my first choice for a lynch, but it is better than no lynch!

This post makes me mad.

Spoiler:

Gee, maybe he did it because he's scum!

[PenguinPower]

Welcome, mastina!

[mhsmith0]

I'd give town about a 5% chance here. This game has been incredibly painful to watch, I guess at least it'll be over soon.

[pieg]

MASTINA THAT'S NOT HOW YOU READ RC OMG

[pieg]

I'd give town about a 5% chance here. This game has been incredibly painful to watch, I guess at least it'll be over soon.

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000⁶⁶⁶

[mhsmith0]

FWIW I think I'm generally decent at reading RC. Not an expert by MS standards, but overall competent on that front.

Spoiler:

I POE'd down to RC (who basically wasn't doing anything, and I'd essentially had him as null, I think correctly fwiw, even if I was a bit reachy in associating him with lemon) and the two scum. I can't look at my reads this game and think they were anything other than good, or be anything other than unhappy at being almost entirely ignored (except when mastina decided to posit the same pair as I'd done while hard-tunnelling the town half of the pair and giving the scum half an unlimited free pass)

[pieg]

he's actually kinda easy to read tbh

at least i find it that way. i struggle to read many players but rc's scumgame and towngame are just so different

[Postie]

I've been absolutely terrible at reading RC lately so consider me insanely jealous.

[pieg]

o i thought you were the rc gurugirl

[Postie]

I can tell you if he's scum or town very easily in any 2015 game, some 2016, and then somewhere along the line most of the things I was tracking went dead. :[

[mhsmith0]

o i thought you were the rc gurugirl

She's the RC fan girl I think

[pieg]

lol rc has fangirls

[mhsmith0]

It's MyLo. Please do not recklessly vote or the mafia might be able to quickhammer.

MyLo stands for Mislynch-and-Lose. If we mislynch today, we will lose the game. It is imperative that we do not recklessly vote.

No lynch might be the best option today

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Spoiler:

If he was an IC I'd be reporting him for lying about theory (since very obviously the BP is town and will get shot by scum, therefore there is no pro-town reason whatsoever to no lynch). Since he's just an SE that doesn't apply.

[mhsmith0]

In all seriousness I still SR ThinkBig because of Grey's play.

Just because of Grey's play?

If you focused just on my play so far, how would you read me?

Spoiler:

As obvscum

[mhsmith0]

But if we are unsure, does a no lynch improve our odds of surviving another day and a better chance of lynching scum on D4?

Spoiler:

It does not barring a REALLY dumb scum team because there's a conf!town role who (in normal circumstances) would have already been shot, and would then just die N3.
It's actually really disturbing that no one with experience pointed that out when it was discussed d2.

[RadiantCowbells]

no mastina u don't get to play like shit and then flip me because you're too shitty to solve the game yourself

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm no longer in this because I replaced out because of Grey but holy shit your play this game was appallingly bad both as an IC and as a player

[RadiantCowbells]

Spoiler: things

like you were wrong, I was right. why do

you

get to lynch

me

to help the person who isn't solving the game catch up to the person who is actually solving the game? Even ignoring the fact that you were dead wrong and even if you'd lynched my slot you'd have STILL been wrong.

[mhsmith0]

TB, which would you rather lynch right now?

Icy, are you saying you're 80% on Chris being scum?

If I had my preference, Alisae.

Spoiler:

So the proper thing to do here is to ask ThinkBig WHY he prefers Alisae to Chris if he's confident that's the team, especially since he was openly calling Alisae just badtown on d2.

[mhsmith0]

Time to create a new section of the mhsmith0 IC intro post!

Spoiler: On Information Lynches

Here’s what you need to know about “information lynches”. Don’t do them.

(insert relevant quote)

That’s the succinct version. For the expanded version, consider Newbie 1779, an objectively awful game featuring a bunch of objectively bad town play, including the town IC (mastina) cheerleading “information” lynches. Why was "information" lynching so damaging? Consider what actually happened...

The very unsurprising effects of her trying to push an “information” lynch on Alisae (who was town) instead of Chris (who was scum, as well as her top scum read as she’d discussed numerous times), included:
- Wasting an enormous amount of time and energy on what was essentially useless nonsense
- Giving the scum (ThinkBig and ChrisOrmie) an enormous amount of sludge to hide behind, since “who’s the likeliest scum” (a difficult conversation for scum to fake their way through) turned into “what kind of lynch can give us ‘good’ information” (a very easy conversation for scum to fake their way through) – i.e. the “information” lynch environment actively produced LESS information for town to use to solve, since it artificially changed the board environment from “who is scum and why are they scum” (town-positive) to “what kind of pre-existing connections exist between people and how many scum-teams can a particular mislynch eliminate” (scum-positive)
- It also turned a townie (Alisae) very strongly against mastina (which is virtually inevitable; anytime someone tries to spearhead your lynch for bullshit like “information” you’re ALWAYS going to be inclined to think they’re full of shit [true] and that you’re full of shit because you’re mafia [in this case false], which helped lead to mastina’s mislynch during the day phase

There are times when you can get away with information lynches, or when they’re actually helpful. They include:
- Explicit claim battle and/or other dipole (such as a cop guilty) (these are unusual but anytime you’re in something where you mechanically KNOW one side MUST be lying, and it’s pre-LYLO, you should almost always lynch inside that set and then take what information you can from it)
- A situation where no one is particularly scummy AND few if any people are especially villager AND you simply HAVE to figure out something that’s mechanically or informationally optimal (note: this almost never happens, and when it does, it’s something where it would probably naturally happen as you near deadline and are just forced to do the best you can, as opposed to actually being an intentional town-positive strategy)

But even there, I would STRONGLY suggest that you proceed with incredible caution before creating or enabling an environment where you’re lynching people for information instead of where you’re lynching people because they’re likely to be scum. Information lynches actively hinder town’s scum-hunting environment and actively reduce accountability for peoples’ vote choices, which is poisonous to town more often than not.

[PenguinPower]

Dude...you salty

[Postie]

It's a good post though.

[PenguinPower]

No arguments there. It is a good info post. Smith gets where I'm coming from with my comment though.

[mhsmith0]

I mean I AM salty but I'm at least trying to make some lemonade out of this *shrugs*