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Post Post #2775 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:54 am

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http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/page/f ... -slaughter

has some pretty strong evidence that it matters if the support takes the kill instead of the adc
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Post Post #2776 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:22 pm

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In post 2774, PJ. wrote:I've already been playing it, before the EU LCS stuff. It's p good tbh.
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Post Post #2777 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:29 am

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In post 2775, Psyche wrote:http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/page/f ... -slaughter

has some pretty strong evidence that it matters if the support takes the kill instead of the adc
I'm assuming that the blitzcrank lack of win percent increase is due to him being designed and balanced to be good at getting first blood?
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Post Post #2778 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:38 am

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In post 2775, Psyche wrote:http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/page/f ... -slaughter

has some pretty strong evidence that it matters if the support takes the kill instead of the adc
*first blood kill
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Post Post #2779 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:56 am

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doubt it's much different for later kills
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Post Post #2780 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:33 pm

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a way to report people who are terrible in champ select?
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Post Post #2781 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 2:37 pm

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report in postgame, hope for the best.

it is always, always optimal to dodge. trying to punish people would be enough deterrence, but since your average league player is selfish there won't ever be enough people to make that possible. i would dodge in promotions series as the single case is much better than the worst and likely case of losing the game.
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Post Post #2782 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:55 pm

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In post 2779, Psyche wrote:doubt it's much different for later kills
At later points in the game it is much more likely that you will get other objectives off kills, so the kill gold itself matters at least somewhat less, i'd presume.
That said, of course it will always be better for the adc to get the kill, we just don't really have the data as to by how much.
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Post Post #2783 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:50 pm

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In post 2781, Lycanfire wrote:report in postgame, hope for the best.

it is always, always optimal to dodge. trying to punish people would be enough deterrence, but since your average league player is selfish there won't ever be enough people to make that possible. i would dodge in promotions series as the single case is much better than the worst and likely case of losing the game.
Dont you get a loss in your series for dodging?
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Post Post #2784 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:10 am

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dodge if you get a bad feeling unless youre in series is a good rule
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Post Post #2785 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:20 am

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two new champions!!

This is the TLDR of what you need to know
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-2 separate champs (ADC and support)
-Specific gameplay synergies with each other
-They can be played separately and have dope kits
-Xayah manipulates feather blades and can go untargetable with her ult
-Rakan is mobile AF and brings a lot of CC and protection
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Post Post #2786 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:38 am

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I played again today for the first time in a while. We were winning pretty much the whole game but team couldn't figure out how to group and end. Then easy button yi just penta kills us and we lose. I'm torn between playing stupid champs like yi to just win or having fun with champs like galio but losing.
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Post Post #2787 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:38 am

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Post Post #2788 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:48 am

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In post 2786, DeathNote wrote:I played again today for the first time in a while. We were winning pretty much the whole game but team couldn't figure out how to group and end. Then easy button yi just penta kills us and we lose. I'm torn between playing stupid champs like yi to just win or having fun with champs like galio but losing.
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Post Post #2789 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:17 pm

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In post 2785, zoraster wrote:-Specific gameplay synergies with each other
Most fascinating to me is the linked recall - some VERY interesting juke/chase potential there if you get the timing down.
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Post Post #2790 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:23 pm

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yeah assuming it works like i think there should be some fun highlight reels.
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Post Post #2791 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:12 pm

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since Xayah is technically [airborne] during her ult does that mean yasuo is an insta-counter?
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Post Post #2792 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:19 pm

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is rakan
a hypermobile support?
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Post Post #2793 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:24 pm

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In post 2783, Randomnamechange wrote:
In post 2781, Lycanfire wrote:report in postgame, hope for the best.

it is always, always optimal to dodge. trying to punish people would be enough deterrence, but since your average league player is selfish there won't ever be enough people to make that possible. i would dodge in promotions series as the single case is much better than the worst and likely case of losing the game.
Dont you get a loss in your series for dodging?
yes, but you don't lose MMR for dodging. that's the number that will stop you from instantly getting demoted from some bullshit loss streak.
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Post Post #2794 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:04 pm

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In post 2791, Nosferatu wrote:since Xayah is technically [airborne] during her ult does that mean yasuo is an insta-counter?
"Xayah leaps into the air becoming
untargetable
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Post Post #2795 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:39 pm

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yup, similar to poppy-ulted enemies, yasuo needs them to be targetable.
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Post Post #2796 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:58 am

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*personal opinion*

Having looked over the design of the new champions, it just makes me slightly annoyed at how they decided to do this, having 2 champions linked in game is a good thing, having that link being champion specific is terrible, it would be like if kalista could only link up with one specific champion in league, it's limiting and stupid in how it's gonna work.

Especially since this is never going to make it to professional play or anything like that, because there is no logistical way that both champions should be up for the team picking second if they want to deny it (which their kits seem overloaded together)

as for non-competitive for people who want to play solo as bot or support, this essentially means relying on a random ADC/Support, to pick the other champion, or being at the luck of the dice as to whether you get one or both of the champs even when your duoing in ranked because of the unorganized nature.

While it's a great design, it's a terrible execution in terms of ever getting any useful play time until they become non-meta in anything other then blind pick.

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Post Post #2797 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:05 am

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I don't know. There have been stronger interactions in the game than this. Carry the Kog was lulu dependent and yet it saw quite a bit of play.

The interactions that are paired are:
E (Rakan): Battle Dance - Increases the distance at which Rakan can jump to Xayah's side. The distance difference isn't minor but it's also probably not something that either makes or breaks whether the champion(s) are worth playing.

This shows the distance difference:
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W (Xayah): Deadly Plumage - If Rakan is nearby he also gains the abilities of Deadly Plumage. I'm not entirely sure how this'll be implemented, but it looks like it'll give Rakan extra damage and extra speed for auto attacks and a bit of extra movement speed. This is arguably the biggest difference and could be pretty powerful in lane. But after laning it'll only be a minor benefit. From the video it doesn't look like Rakan gets the feathers, so no extra damage from Xayah's E.

Recall: Can sync up recall. This is definitely helpful for solo queue, and it could set up some pretty cool stuff in pro play, but is it enough to be bannable? Probably not.

Overall, unless the kits are overtuned without the interactions, I'm not sure I see it causing major bans of one-but-not-the-other. It's possible there might be a situation where it's worth picking X if and only if R is also picked, but that doesn't make it an autoban by itself.
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Post Post #2798 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:09 am

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Ehh I don't play the game anymore but the champions having cool interaction that isn't that significant is p cool idea.
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Post Post #2799 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:41 am

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yah i really like Rakan even without the interactions
it almost could be a good thing that picking him forces a Xayah ban and vice versa?
it's unfortunate that the two may be balanced with their duo play in particular in mind, but hopefully that balancing will focus on their interactions rather than other parts of their kit
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