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Post Post #1425 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:04 pm

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Post Post #1426 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:04 pm

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I basically have said what I thought with setup spec, which I am normally pretty good with. I have f2f events where I have to create a lot of games, along with being a mod on site. I also like pushing the boundaries of normal games, which this WIFOM investigative heavy game gives. The PR's in this game make sense if scum has an ascetic role. I've stated in the neighborhood the potential of Eager being an ascetic watcher, which I kind of wanted to get horror to test toNight. that along with the VT's, which I imagine at least one of the other scum has a role as well, would balance out this game. I want one of the VT's lynched toDay.
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Post Post #1427 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:06 pm

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Alright, so let's lynch arona.
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Post Post #1428 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:07 pm

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In post 1424, hapahauli wrote:
In post 1420, horrordude0215 wrote:
In post 1417, hapahauli wrote:What does the neighborhood even do to help scumhunting?
...seriously? It can form a townbloc when used correctly, or help get reads on people that you haven't fully sorted yet. You can't actually imply that the role isn't beneficial to scum hunting.
I'm serious. Town-circles working assume a) A very high degree of town competency and b) lack of infiltration from mafia. Also, "getting reads" can be done in public thread. I don't know if I've ever seen a town-bloc work successfully in all the years I've played this game.
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In post 1415, hapahauli wrote:Did you actually carefully read all 30 pages of the game? Be honest.
No, I just pulled a wall of text out of my ass when I replaced in Day 1.
That's what I was thinking TBH.
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Post Post #1429 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:08 pm

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Also horror, are you a normal neighborizer, or do you have any modifiers? (Weak, 1-shot, etc)?
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Post Post #1430 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:08 pm

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Post Post #1431 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:11 pm

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Just in general, I think information out of the public eye is pretty worthless. For example, you can look at the "Neighbor-themed" games in which townies have PT's with other random players. Town has an abysmal winrate in those games, mostly because people think the PT's are more useful than they actually are.
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Post Post #1432 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:14 pm

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In post 900, BlackVoid wrote:
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Post Post #1433 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:14 pm

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In post 1429, hapahauli wrote:Also horror, are you a normal neighborizer, or do you have any modifiers? (Weak, 1-shot, etc)?
Nope. Boring ol' neighborizer.
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Post Post #1434 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:15 pm

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I say we never lynch on-wagon unless we decide Darkshadow is godfather or something.

That wagon is very likely town given how emotional, quick, chaotic, and active it was. In such a situation, don't you think it's more likely that mafia hides in the shadows?
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Post Post #1435 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:17 pm

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Honestly, I thought about that too, Eddie. But due to the nature of the sheer amount of activity we had in a short time span, and the sheer scumminess of Transcend, it's not impossible that it's all town. Plus, Eager was on it, and unvoted before lynch, so I'd put him in that lynch pool as well.
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Post Post #1436 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:20 pm

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Two things Horror:

1) I'd still like you to address #1423.
2) Who are your other scumreads? Even if you think I'm conf-scum, there are still two scumbuddies to find. I'm particularly interested in your thoughts on arona and SS.
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Post Post #1437 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:21 pm

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I think arona is the best lynch. She is not giving us really anything, and I actually think we get a lot of info from her lynch and fits into multiple lynch pools. Also, I feel like Eager's been trying to get people away from Arona, and I want to see if RB/arona have been playing a bussing game.
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Post Post #1438 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:30 pm

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In post 1436, hapahauli wrote:Two things Horror:

1) I'd still like you to address #1423.
2) Who are your other scumreads? Even if you think I'm conf-scum, there are still two scumbuddies to find. I'm particularly interested in your thoughts on arona and SS.
1)
In post 1423, hapahauli wrote:I liked the situation where Transcend was at L-1, and I had made it abundantly clear to everyone in the thread that I was ready to quick hammer. That's a situation where I know I'm in control, everyone knows that Transcend can be hammered, and that other townies will be less incentivized to do the quick hammer themselves.

That is far better than a situation where Transcend is at L-1 with my vote, and no one had given intent to hammer. For all I know, some random person walks in and quickhammers and poof day is done.
I have a feeling we're going to disagree until we're blue in the face about whether or not it makes sense that town was at risk of quickhammering. This, however.... actually makes sense. I still don't townread you by a longshot, but I'll give you this point.

2) I don't like rb... he's probably my #2 read. I'm not thrilled with what arona has done most of the game either, and your initial case on him earlier in the day can look like a D2 bus attempt from an association perspective (which means nothing until flips come into play, ofc). SS - I think I've probably given him a pass considering I believe the claim, but I haven't seen much that has given me a scumread? I'll ISO those two right now and see if anything tickles me the wrong way.
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Post Post #1439 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:33 pm

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Yeah, SS isn't doing anything.
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Post Post #1440 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:34 pm

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Post Post #1441 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:44 pm

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SS ISO

ISO 0 - Claims Miller
ISO 8-20 - Almost entirely setup spec
ISO 35 - Votes Eddie for hard pushing the Miller D2 Policy lynch.
Seems to only really produce cases/content when pressured.
ISO 58 and 61 - These are the only times I can see in his ISO when SS has really pushed a case on someone rather than just providing passive commentary on the game.

The main reason why I haven't focused on him so far is because I believe the miller claim, but he needs to step up and produce some more content, like now.

Arona ISO

...okay, there has been even less from this slot than from SS, which I didn't think was possible. I can't see anything in this ISO that even remotely resembles scumhunting, save ISO 6 when he voted rb for having a "convoluted case" on page 3.

Hap, you can have some breathing room for now.

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Post Post #1442 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:45 pm

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In post 1431, hapahauli wrote:Just in general, I think information out of the public eye is pretty worthless. For example, you can look at the "Neighbor-themed" games in which townies have PT's with other random players. Town has an abysmal winrate in those games, mostly because people think the PT's are more useful than they actually are.
This is only relevant to pre made neighborhoods. Neighborizer gets to pick who's in it, and can choose people they want to work with.
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Post Post #1443 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:59 pm

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@ Horror


I'll take a temporary peace treaty. I'd rather be lynching elsewhere regardless. Glad you atleast see where I'm coming from regarding SS/aron
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In post 1431, hapahauli wrote:Just in general, I think information out of the public eye is pretty worthless. For example, you can look at the "Neighbor-themed" games in which townies have PT's with other random players. Town has an abysmal winrate in those games, mostly because people think the PT's are more useful than they actually are.
This is only relevant to pre made neighborhoods. Neighborizer gets to pick who's in it, and can choose people they want to work with.
My general point is that people tend to overestimate the usefulness of private information. I'll concede that both situations are different.

The whole argument is sort of moot though.
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Post Post #1444 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:08 pm

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In post 1437, Boonskiies wrote: Also, I feel like Eager's been trying to get people away from Arona
Not really just not ready to lynch him, or at all, personally, so you guys don't have my vote rn just to make that clear
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Post Post #1445 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:09 pm

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In post 1435, Boonskiies wrote:Plus, Eager was on it, and unvoted before lynch, so I'd put him in that lynch pool as well.
Duh-fu

Eager did a pro-town thing, throw him in the pool!
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Post Post #1446 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:17 pm

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That's exactly why you probably did it. For town cred and to be seen off the wagon. Too bad for you we're looking off the wagon.
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Post Post #1447 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:25 pm

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Or I did it because he claimed a fucking confirmable role
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Post Post #1448 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:25 pm

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and i'm not as bad as everyone on the wagon who didn't unvote
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Post Post #1449 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:26 pm

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sorry I'm still salty about that lynch

why nobody unvoted

why they put him BACK to L-1 after I unvoted

why he self-hammered

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