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[Ramcius]

Desperado: Nero Cain

[Ramcius]

VOTE: RadiantMoonlight

i suggest we policy lynch everyone from amity because amity SUCKS

VOTE: RadiantMoonlight

as long as we not lynching Dauntless (Trans is exception tho), i'm good lynch anything

[Ramcius]

F U guys.

It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...

being lynchbait doesn't gives lynch immunity, and if you going bring this argument up, i will be more than happy prove you wrong

VOTE: Not Mafia

you wrong, i'm not scum, so you have to go

[Ramcius]

I don't do alignment unconfirmed PTs

Nice "townslip"

[Ramcius]

F U guys.

It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...

being lynchbait doesn't gives lynch immunity, and if you going bring this argument up, i will be more than happy prove you wrong

VOTE: Not Mafia

you wrong, i'm not scum, so you have to go

Ramcius, why did you feel the need to play off of N_M's last post to do RVS twice? Just felt like doing so this game?

it's not RVS vote

[Ramcius]

I don't do alignment unconfirmed PTs

Nice "townslip"

This says literally nothing about my alignment

no, but saying "i don't want talk in PT, where can be scums" screams "i'm a town!", thus raises question - "why town need tell everybody he's town like this?" and i have hard time finding answer, so for now you are scumlean from what i saw till now from you

[Ramcius]

Still think Nero is town, probably scum's designated muslin he right now

Zak is scum
Ramcius might be scum or just have terrible reasoning

my reasonings often look bad, but my reads are on point. My reasonings will get better, we just started, but your rolecard won't turn green

[Ramcius]

Spoiler: Ramcius ISO - Day 1 #1

1. 287 --> Points out "Townslip" by Not_Mafia -->

This so-called "townslip" is a pretty reachy conclusion. --> Suspicious (-1)

2. 296 --> 238 Not_Mafia vote is "not RVS vote" -->

Then, what is it? I mean, aside from the fact that RVS ended quite awhile ago, what part of your vote makes it a non-RVS vote? --> Suspicious (-1)

3. 306 --> Elaboration for 287 -->

Not very convincing elaboration, especially given your experience. If anything, your townslip constitutes nitpickiness. --> Suspicious (-1)

I will reserve further judgement for now, but this slot has definitely caught my attention.

Good, i like attention

^ The answer to this question will determine Ramcius' alignment.

first, it was answered already, second, my alignment already determined by RNG and is shown on my rolecard, so you late to party

[Ramcius]

Trans, are you afraid scums try pocket you by TRing?

[Ramcius]

[momo, zakk, Ramcius, ?]

Good, good, i like that OMGUS towards me, but others 2 aren't scums either, try bussing some buddies to look more realistic with your reads

[Ramcius]

[momo, zakk, Ramcius, ?]

Good, good, i like that OMGUS towards me, but others 2 aren't scums either, try bussing some buddies to look more realistic with your reads

This is poor

this is fluff, am i doing it right?

[Ramcius]

[momo, zakk, Ramcius, ?]

Good, good, i like that OMGUS towards me, but others 2 aren't scums either, try bussing some buddies to look more realistic with your reads

lol OMGUS, your reason for scumreading is literally objectively wrong and your excuse is, "the reasoning will get better because the read is correct"

indeed, i said it, does it's enough reason to call me scum? I'm pretty sure i'm not alone calling people scums without providing case, yet you SR just me, so yes, i consider it's an OMGUS, especially we haven't played in same game before, so you can't know, if i call people scums without stating serious reasons as a scum, or as a town (i can reveal a secret on it - i do so as both alignments), but your reaction to my obvious VI play was strange tbh, you didn't tried sort me out, but straight up put in scum team.

[Ramcius]

i find amusing people asking for other factions powers, but not revealing their own

Also, zakk, you say mafia might try get in faction they are not in atm, if any, to learn their power, so you instead telling we should just give this info to them for free? Revealing today makes no sense, we can wait till D2 and reveal then, if we decide that it's important to know that info for everybody

[Ramcius]

A lynch on rb would give us no information

I don't agree with this 100%. Like the idea of lynching for max "information" seems stupid to me. One should be trying to lynch scum not what wagon will/won't give them "information". RBs v/la ends tomorrow. I expect to start seeing things from him.

so how you know rb is scum? If you going lynch randomly, you should pick someone with associations to work with after flip, not someone with 0 posts

[Ramcius]

We have
Hood 1*
Hood 2**
Hood 3**
Hood 4
Hood 5
Let's say it's 5 scum and * shows how many scum in each hood scum know 3 of the serums while town only know 1 each (each player) N1 scum move to hood 4 and 5 and now know all 5 serums and can plan on what to do with each while town at most knows 2

first, there is no guarantee scums will get in factions they want, second, how scums would take control of serums? I know just my factions serum, and 1 scum can't just overtake serum, third, why out serums today? Why we can't tomorrow, after mafia had to take actions to learn them and are locked in new factions, if had to move? And lastly, how knowing serums will help you or anyone else? Would you take commands from non-faction people how to use your faction serum?

[Ramcius]

Serums can only be used once?
Why not just use them now and it's a moot point?

i think it's once a night, not once in a game

[Ramcius]

We have
Hood 1*
Hood 2**
Hood 3**
Hood 4
Hood 5
Let's say it's 5 scum and * shows how many scum in each hood scum know 3 of the serums while town only know 1 each (each player) N1 scum move to hood 4 and 5 and now know all 5 serums and can plan on what to do with each while town at most knows 2

first, there is no guarantee scums will get in factions they want, second, how scums would take control of serums? I know just my factions serum, and 1 scum can't just overtake serum, third, why out serums today? Why we can't tomorrow, after mafia had to take actions to learn them and are locked in new factions, if had to move? And lastly, how knowing serums will help you or anyone else? Would you take commands from non-faction people how to use your faction serum?

1) I would assume scum would plan to auto take the faction they need for said serum they don't take control they just plan how to use it to their advantage, We could out them tomorrow or today today means more planning for both sides it's a double edged sword knowing the serums lets us find out the best course of action and make a plan for it it's not like scum would disobey the action cause that would throw sus on them.

so, tell me your plan, if we out serums, step by step, are we manually placing factions? If no, how to stop scums from stacking in one faction? What town will get from outing serums? And i would like hear how 1 scum could use serum to their advantage? If someone would start acting weird and want serum in my faction, they literally paint target on their back

[Ramcius]

i'm against outing serums just for sake to outing them, i see no real reason for doing it and helping scum team, if they don't know all serums yet

[Ramcius]

exactly. Now help me out one of these two scumbutts trying to serumfish.

considering my prior games with Elena i think she might genuinely believe in what she says as a town, for zakk i don't have clear picture yet, he had some good posts

[Ramcius]

exactly. Now help me out one of these two scumbutts trying to serumfish.

considering my prior games with Elena i think she might genuinely believe in what she says as a town, for zakk i don't have clear picture yet, he had some good posts

What of Timeshift reminds you of me I can't really think of much.

despite my replacement out shortly after you replaced in in large 201 i was reading that game to end, but if you disagree with my "bad town" judgement on you, you always can prove me wrong in here by playing good here

[Ramcius]

Looks like the wagons have stalled. It's going to be difficult to have 11 votes on one player. We can't have 11 people agreeing on something. Unless it was about US attack on Syria. If countries were playing mafia (which they fking do all the time), L would reach in a jiffy and US would be the D1 lynch.

i really expect cases and pushes on people from you, PL for spamming isn't a lynch option for today

VOTE: alban

i'll show you how it's done - empty posturing about stalling wagons and your vote still on PL wagon you called out for spamming? 10 more votes here pls

[Ramcius]

no lynching alban allowed

why?

btw, we need your opinion on something in Dauntless chat

[Ramcius]

Looks like the wagons have stalled. It's going to be difficult to have 11 votes on one player. We can't have 11 people agreeing on something. Unless it was about US attack on Syria. If countries were playing mafia (which they fking do all the time), L would reach in a jiffy and US would be the D1 lynch.

i really expect cases and pushes on people from you, PL for spamming isn't a lynch option for today

VOTE: alban

i'll show you how it's done - empty posturing about stalling wagons and your vote still on PL wagon you called out for spamming? 10 more votes here pls

This vote looks like a policy vote, which is sorta antithetical to your whole point. But never mind. Carry on.

Unless you think I am a scum. If so, reasons? As far as I remember, my last substantial post was looong back, and you have nothing on me one way or other. I can understand the frustration, but I don't understand how that makes me a scum.

making noise, complaining about stalling wagons, while doing nothing thus far to change it? Your vote is still on someone, who you admitted you wanted PL for spamming. And this your answer ain't helping you either, i literally said you do stuff instead complaining about people doing nothing, yet you came in, called my vote on you PL and still doing nothing, i guess that's qualifies as a anti-town behavior, so i'm pretty ok to keep my vote on you

[Ramcius]

Looks like the wagons have stalled. It's going to be difficult to have 11 votes on one player. We can't have 11 people agreeing on something. Unless it was about US attack on Syria. If countries were playing mafia (which they fking do all the time), L would reach in a jiffy and US would be the D1 lynch.

i really expect cases and pushes on people from you, PL for spamming isn't a lynch option for today

VOTE: alban

i'll show you how it's done - empty posturing about stalling wagons and your vote still on PL wagon you called out for spamming? 10 more votes here pls

This vote looks like a policy vote, which is sorta antithetical to your whole point. But never mind. Carry on.

Unless you think I am a scum. If so, reasons? As far as I remember, my last substantial post was looong back, and you have nothing on me one way or other. I can understand the frustration, but I don't understand how that makes me a scum.

making noise, complaining about stalling wagons, while doing nothing thus far to change it? Your vote is still on someone, who you admitted you wanted PL for spamming. And this your answer ain't helping you either, i literally said you do stuff instead complaining about people doing nothing, yet you came in, called my vote on you PL and still doing nothing, i guess that's qualifies as a anti-town behavior, so i'm pretty ok to keep my vote on you

I see what you are doing. Instead of providing reasons for your vote in the original post, you are now using my answer to your post as a reason to justify your vote. That's just shading.

All your points are exaggerated at best and fabricated at worst.

1. I wasn't compalining about a stalled wagon. It was an observation. I have already said to that effect in response to Nero. In fact, I followed that up by saying it's natural that the momentum didn't sustain coz we will need 11 people, and all those agreeing on one name will be difficult.

2. I myself admitted I haven't done anything yet. And to expect more from me over the weekend. So wait for the weekend to get over.

3. My vote is still on someone coz I am too lazy to remove it. And coz it doesn't matter one way or other coz I am the only one voting for him. But let me do something about it.

VOTE: Ramcius

Sorry, but i added reasoning to my vote, but if you don't think it was enough to cast vote on you, then it's your problem. From your response i got more reasons to keep vote on, so no, it's not shading, it's building up case

1. "i made fluff post, cause i had nothing to say" - stating obvious facts and wondering why people still haven't lynched anyone so early in D1, call as you like, but i take it as empty posturing/fluffing at best

2. Again, just promise, i have seen plenty on those in FM, no reason to believe in advance

3. Indeed, you keep your vote on vanity wagon and wondering for stalling wagons, i smell hipocrisy

nice OMGUS

[Ramcius]

Looks like the wagons have stalled. It's going to be difficult to have 11 votes on one player. We can't have 11 people agreeing on something. Unless it was about US attack on Syria. If countries were playing mafia (which they fking do all the time), L would reach in a jiffy and US would be the D1 lynch.

i really expect cases and pushes on people from you, PL for spamming isn't a lynch option for today

VOTE: alban

i'll show you how it's done - empty posturing about stalling wagons and your vote still on PL wagon you called out for spamming? 10 more votes here pls

This vote looks like a policy vote, which is sorta antithetical to your whole point. But never mind. Carry on.

Unless you think I am a scum. If so, reasons? As far as I remember, my last substantial post was looong back, and you have nothing on me one way or other. I can understand the frustration, but I don't understand how that makes me a scum.

making noise, complaining about stalling wagons, while doing nothing thus far to change it? Your vote is still on someone, who you admitted you wanted PL for spamming. And this your answer ain't helping you either, i literally said you do stuff instead complaining about people doing nothing, yet you came in, called my vote on you PL and still doing nothing, i guess that's qualifies as a anti-town behavior, so i'm pretty ok to keep my vote on you

I see what you are doing. Instead of providing reasons for your vote in the original post, you are now using my answer to your post as a reason to justify your vote. That's just shading.

All your points are exaggerated at best and fabricated at worst.

1. I wasn't compalining about a stalled wagon. It was an observation. I have already said to that effect in response to Nero. In fact, I followed that up by saying it's natural that the momentum didn't sustain coz we will need 11 people, and all those agreeing on one name will be difficult.

2. I myself admitted I haven't done anything yet. And to expect more from me over the weekend. So wait for the weekend to get over.

3. My vote is still on someone coz I am too lazy to remove it. And coz it doesn't matter one way or other coz I am the only one voting for him. But let me do something about it.

VOTE: Ramcius

Sorry, but i added reasoning to my vote, but if you don't think it was enough to cast vote on you, then it's your problem. From your response i got more reasons to keep vote on, so no, it's not shading, it's building up case

1. "i made fluff post, cause i had nothing to say" - stating obvious facts and wondering why people still haven't lynched anyone so early in D1, call as you like, but i take it as empty posturing/fluffing at best

2. Again, just promise, i have seen plenty on those in FM, no reason to believe in advance

3. Indeed, you keep your vote on vanity wagon and wondering for stalling wagons, i smell hipocrisy

nice OMGUS

Wow, you are quite presumptuous, aren't you?

Does it strike to you that all this is hypothetical on your part?

Your head is buried so deep in your ass that all you smell are your confusions.

only thing that strikes me is your anti-town behavior

you can try insult me all you want, but it won't prove me wrong, only that you aren't that intelligent as you may think

[Ramcius]

I dare you to lynch me. Find 10 people who will vote for me.

I will make it easy for you. I am not gonna provide any more content over the weekend. If you find enough number of people against me, I will have to leave. Let's see what you call it, if not a PL.

You think only way to get rid of you is lynching?

Anyway, thanks for proving my point - you useless anti-town, who wouldn't be missed

[Ramcius]

no, you don't see me, i'm in stealth mode

[Ramcius]

Okay, so we shut down both top wagons and we start a wagon on you?

why you would want wagon on me?

[Ramcius]

You haven't posted content, you have the potential to be the Elbirn from Civilization Mafia.

What qualifies as a content for you?

[Ramcius]

Me having an idea you want to solve the game.

oh, then i don't have content, and wouldn't have in foreseeable future, my playstyle is not solve game alltogether at once, i just look for details that don't fit in my opinion and push on those

[Ramcius]

VOTE: @Mod i have question about faction changes, for my understanding 4 is max and no one can join, if there already 4, right? So if we lynch and in faction left only 3, then someone can join that faction, if other 3 stays or max will be 3 for that faction?

[Ramcius]

wrong tag sorry

[Ramcius]

Scum have daytalk. It's in the rules.

Oh lovely this proves my point even more

"Outting the serums has nothing to do with scum hunting but lets just do it guys"

Of course one could argue that she wouldn't blatantly rolefish like that but why would a town her press so hard for something that doesn't aid in scum hunting?

Let me dumb this down for you.
-Let's say all scum are in 3 out of 5 hoods they now know 3 out of 5 serums Town knows 1 out of 5 serums
-Tonight scum can move to the last 2 hoods and they now know 5 out of 5 serums Town can move and at most know 2 out of 5 serums.
-If we out the serums now we can plan what to do with them

I've been mostly posting in the faction PT, but this I feel the need to quote.

This is good, guys, and all thsoe who vehemently opposed this are officially slightly scumread by me.

glad to hear you joined scums, it was explained why it's bad idea, and no plan was provided for post reveal, so unless you going enlighten us on pros of revealing serums

before

faction swaps and mafia can't plan on stacking in most powerful faction, but instead they have send people on factions they don't have their ppl in, i will consider you scum, your absence in this tread ain't helping your cause either

[Ramcius]

i hate using meta as a foundation

i need a scumreadthiis game

just look who you would buddy as scum and you get your scum

[Ramcius]

response to rb

[Ramcius]

i do not think that rb is town this game is it just me

i'm good to poke him, i don't like either of big wagons anyway

VOTE: rb

complaining for stalling game, but i can't see his input in it

[Ramcius]

All of Ramcius' votes have been terrible

agree, i'm really bad at FM

[Ramcius]

can someone make cases on momo and zakk? I'm just wondering what i'm missing, cause i don't see them as scums, and wagoning just for pressure ain't working either, if you not pushing them alongside your votes with cases

[Ramcius]

can someone make cases on momo and zakk? I'm just wondering what i'm missing, cause i don't see them as scums, and wagoning just for pressure ain't working either, if you not pushing them alongside your votes with cases

why don't you make a case for them being town, and when you can't find a reason to townread them, you might see why people scumread them

hm, let me think, maybe cause i don't see them as town either, they in my null pile for doing nothing relevant yet to TR or SR, but if people see them as scums, i would like to hear why they think so, and you looking more and more appealing lynch for today

[Ramcius]

Ur silly, its day 1

If people make posts but you still have no reason to townread, then you scumread.

this is the secret to successful day1s

sorry, i'm not that skilled to sort 19 ppl to TR and SR D1 from what we got till now, could i get your full list of TRs and SRs?

[Ramcius]

I have some kind of TR on shos, nero, transcend, creature, not_mafia and yourself

SR on momo the most, but again i have reasons for zakk atm. after that not really sure, havent noticed enough slots

why alban not TR? his reaction to my push was pretty towny

P-edit: i didn't said they not scums, i'm asking for biggest wagons, so if i can't see them as scums, i'm missing something that other people see

[Ramcius]

Will zakk try to defend himself or just stall the game?

you know, telling him why he is getting wagoned might speed up process, just a random thought

[Ramcius]

Never thought I'd see the day where I'd acquiesce to a vote momo/Ramcius are on.

But the day has come.

are you saying my reads are bad always?

[Ramcius]

idk i've only played one completed game with you

you didn't do so hot iirc

ye, i remember, "Gerry is my highest TR, don't try SR him"

[Ramcius]

anyway i've crumbed my role already, and i'd like to not have to claim on day1 so everyone can unvote me now thANkXXXX

you have 3 votes on you, that's L-8, why panic?

[Ramcius]

I'm basically skimming the thread by now
Can we lynch NC, but only tomorrow?

why lynch him?

[Ramcius]

Why is ramcius still voting me

U potato

i'm too lazy to change my vote

[Ramcius]

I am bored.

Why are you scum reading Ram Ram?

that was OMGUS vote as answer to my pressure vote on him

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Ari

i always look susp to people, who have hard time reading few pages of tread a day (and this game was really slow on generating pages), his push on one of my strongest TRs alban for being not so active is weird in comparison to bunch of people doing much worse, his intent vote momo, but going alban instead so close to deadline is another red flag to me, i dunno if it's distancing or setting accusation for ML, if alban push not goes trough

[Ramcius]

im actually surprised nero can read me tbh, he saw like 1 day phase of my town game

i have bad feeling about this post, like attempt to look more town, because NC townread him, i doubt something like that would come from town

[Ramcius]

im actually surprised nero can read me tbh, he saw like 1 day phase of my town game

i have bad feeling about this post, like attempt to look more town, because NC townread him, i doubt something like that would come from town

oh great you may as well just lynch me already, ive seen how hard u can tunnel/ignore important details in Wind

what Wind? And why such hostility for me doubting in your weird attempt to highlight NC TR on you?

[Ramcius]

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=69588

so, now you try discredit me with my meta in newbie game that was godawful? And you didn't answered my second question

[Ramcius]

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=69588

so, now you try discredit me with my meta in newbie game that was godawful? And you didn't answered my second question

The answer to your second question is already there. The link.

oh, so you scared i will push your lynch and you got really scared? i'm flattered, really, but in that game my words had much more weight, cause i was TRed by everyone, do you see same in here?

thing is, i'm not trying change wagon on you, nor coming with SR out of blue, when everyone gives free pass to you, in fact you already scumread by some people, so harsh reaction to me not believing in your weird statement makes me wonder why you so scared of me?

[Ramcius]

Ramcius generally does leap to conclusions, can't understand subtleties even when shoved straight in his face, and is worried about giving some players a free pass when town. He can have a reasonably strong town read. If he answered my last bait then that probably would have been an easier read, but this will do.

@Nero: I was reaction testing him less blatantly than he was. I wasn't highlighting it for LAMIST.

i had no reason answer "idgaf" message, i took it as discussion over from you. If i decide that you are a good lynch, i will make case D2, but for now i see no reason to dig deeper in that odd post

[Ramcius]

As I expected. I just think it would have been interesting to see your reaction to it. But it doesn't really matter, since you can't really respond to it genuinely anymore.
I was being as obvious as possible with my annoyance/absence of logic with you as I know that's one of the easiest ways to read you as town.

But you have no idea for my scum meta, so how you so sure in your read?

[Ramcius]

did that one claim already?

Am I "that one"??

Ouch!

guess so, you only one at L-2

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Screen

Can we vote here

why vote him?

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Srceenplay

[Ramcius]

So, now that my entire hood has voted you do you wish to dispute the guilty? Or are you eating rope.

I'm still Town. I don't know what the hell you are doing??

claim role, town claim isn't not enough

[Ramcius]

mafia having BP shows there is killing roles outside of mafia

[Ramcius]

UNVOTE:

for time being

[Ramcius]

Wait what the fuuuuck

Now I don't even get RB?? Uggghhhhhhh

READ SHOS' 444

could you share with everyone what so important about that post?

[Ramcius]

Are faction serums honest?
Can I be framed?
What way can I come back as a guilty is what I'm asking.

our serum isn't cop, but follower and we got you killed and investigated N1, so how you would explain that?

[Ramcius]

I don't know?
I'm trying to ask how can that happen. What makes it possible.

how we should know, if you refuse claim role?

[Ramcius]

i will share little more of our faction discussion - Ari was possible check too that i brought like 5 days before deadline, no one was against this check too, so that makes me feel like we have no mafia in our hood,

[Ramcius]

He's probably scum neap btw

He has an investigating power

you might be right, Neap is fairly weak role, so mafia might chose him to carry kill, if others were stronger roles and BP was gone

[Ramcius]

i will share little more of our faction discussion - Ari was possible check too that i brought like 5 days before deadline, no one was against this check too, so that makes me feel like we have no mafia in our hood,

again, could be a bus driver or something

you could just bus drive the target w/someone who was town, if the target was scum
you could just bus drive the target w/someone who was scum, if the target was town

anyway, its moot until we see the flip

i don't think there's anything more to be said today, unless there's something we are missing.

i would like to give everyone a chance to weigh in, but then after that there's no real sense continuing with discussion long after, unless we want to artificially draw things out
which i don't want to do

Neap claim fits too well, we got investigation and kill, so bus driver should hit Town neap and scum investigative role that submit kill

[Ramcius]

rb, what guilty you was talking about back in D2? something your faction checked, but kept in secret AFAIK

[Ramcius]

What we gonna gonna do rn?

lynch you for asking would be good start

[Ramcius]

we have a guilty that isn't screenplay, if this becomes retarded fight i'm just gonna claim and we lynch that one instead

someone want share with everyone this guilty now?

[Ramcius]

idk, if you think not revealing the guilty won't do much difference to catch the other scum, we could already reveal the guilty.

i have no idea what guilty you guys have, i have no idea how it would help find others, so only thing i can tell is to lynch guilty

[Ramcius]

Hey guys I'm grounded for lynching my dad last day.

congratz

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Ircher

let's flip this then

[Ramcius]

shos, why you not voting your red result?

[Ramcius]

I claim compulsive bus driver.

I targeted RM and Srceen N1 and Creature and Momo N2.

huh? then how we got guilty on Srceen N1, if you swapped him with RM?

[Ramcius]

Ircher, where you got that serum bypass abilities? Cause it don't say that in our PT, also, you joined Srceen and Ari wagons, when it was clear they going trough

[Ramcius]

still, this can go just one way, shos going down tomorrow, if you not mafia

[Ramcius]

Why? Why one way?

Shos is not being very transparent about his guilty rn.

simple, if he's lying, we lynch him tomorrow, so what he wins from trading 1 for 1 with you as a scum? On other hand we have only your claim and weird voting pattern from D1, so tell me, who we should trust more?

[Ramcius]

Creature and Mewtaph are definitely town.
Wheme, momo, and Ramcius are probably town.
Keyser is lurking and more likely to be scum.
Zakk is town.
Alban is Neutral Scum.
Uzi is Neutral Scum.
Shos is possibly scum.
Rb is scum.

you should be lynched only for reads like those, it's just bs after all what happened in this game till now

[Ramcius]

It's between Ramcius, wheme and rb for today's lynch.

huh? Are you telling i'm bussed Ari and Srceen to my faction? Wheme is pretty much conf VT, so what's your reasoning?

[Ramcius]

It's between Ramcius, wheme and rb for today's lynch.

huh? Are you telling i'm bussed Ari and Srceen to my faction? Wheme is pretty much conf VT, so what's your reasoning?

scum just say the darndest things

you saying i'm scum or alban?

[Ramcius]

oh keyser? They haven't had enough content for me to feel good about it, some ideas about them being 3rd P were thrown around that made sense on the surface but I'm not so sure.

I have been playing a balancing game of

'not-wanting-too-much-towncred'

and

'I-don't-want-to-be-lynched'

so your suspicion is rational.

As we are now down to the last two scum [1xMAFIA + 1xSERIAL KILLER (?)] I will now be increasing my activity.

i doubt sk theory, N1 we have 1 kill, N2 we have 2 kills, N3 we have 2 kills again, but 1 came from faction ability, so that means either really unlucky sk only got kill on N2, or it was some sort of vig

[Ramcius]

We have had 2 noghta woth 2 kills. I think any vigging that had taken place by factions and townies should be claimed, so that we can assess how many more scum we are dealing with. Could be 1, could be 1+1, could be 2.

Also keyser, in case you missed, Im conftown, dont waste time analyzing me.

I have reasons to believe neither zakk nor wheme nor nero cain are scum. These arent solid right now.

Mewtaph was factional kill according to rb, so only kill from possible sk is Elena/RM, so i tend to believe we dealing with only mafia team

[Ramcius]

Should the (town) vig roleclaim now or later?

rb said that the vig was factional. Erudite.

we still have 2nd kill from N2, so it's very likely vig, mafia having BP inclines in vig too, if we consider that serums ignore role abilities as confirmed by mod

[Ramcius]

amazing, you don't read thread, then jump in and drop some accusations from D1, while we on D4? FYI we had 3 scum flips, we had 2 town flips, why you assume your reads still relevant? D2 and D3 was short, not too much to read, yet you don't bother to? Because your scumbuddies got lynched and you left all alone and gave up on this game?

VOTE: alban

let's make it L-2

[Ramcius]

So what is it, is it a PL or am I a scum? Coz this is confusing. Either I must be pathetic at being a scum who doesn't read your 95 pages of one liners and declares that openly. Or I must be a careless townie. In which case it's a PL.
Should I claim? Unless someone wishes to unvote.

why you register to 20 ppl game, if you not want read thread?

[Ramcius]

My behaviour in Candor need not follow how you behaved or how you want me to behave.

I did not antagonise you ever. In this game or the other one. You are the one slurring, swearing and shading.

You are hyperventilating right now coz I am not behaving in a manner you expect me to.

I thought since it's day for most of you, someone apart from you would have some thoughts on me claiming. I am witholding my claim till I hear from other people. If that's scummy to you, you are entitled to an opinion. You have already voted for me. So now really, let me hear what others have to say.

i don't need claim, i need:
a) you read what you missed
b) gives reasonable reads from what you read

i have no reason TR you anymore, and you not make it easy to make read on you, so considering we haven't ML'ed yet we can afford PL you, as zakk said - i don't want you anywhere near MYLO/LYLO

[Ramcius]

i tried look in Trans ISO for reasons to nk him, but i'm really puzzled - he did nothing noteworthy in D2/D3 and D1 was just bunch of random votes and TR people

on other hand, BTD have only 7 posts, he pushed RM, then alban, tried defend Ari against Trans (!), missed D2 completely, only D3 post was putting Ircher at l-2 and promising look Ari wagon

VOTE: BTD

[Ramcius]

VOTE: zakk

since BTD being replaced i try this, i didn't liked his attempts to learn serums D1, especially trying know ours. At this point i have good reason to believe we had no mafia in our hood - Amity had 2, and Srceen wasn't warned for our use on him

[Ramcius]

I dont underatand those wanting to lynch keyser. His posts make me feel good. Am I just a sucker for cpntent? Please explain.


Also alban posted in Candor. We should keep him alive for now, I guess.

Keyser makes the same type of posts as scum or town so I'd rather just have him gone

so, you want PL Keyser, cause you can't read him?

[Ramcius]

i see how LUV or Keyser can be mafia despite Srceen guilty by faction ability, but question is: does mafia takes gamble to swap their killing member with RM N1 instead of making someone else to do kill and having Srceen as conf investigative role and pretty much lynch immune for quite a while? Assuming Ircher said true about swapping RM and Srceen N1. That's quite a bit of WIFOM, so i prefer not lynch them now, cause we have better candidates.

My reads:
conf town

momo - would mafia let him be leading wagon trough all D1, if he was one of them?
Wheme - shos vanilla result kinda confirms Srceen claim Wheme is VT
shos - obv reasons, hope you didn't hardbussed Ircher

town lean:
LUV - reasons stated above
Keyser - same
Nero - i find him really towny
alban - i liked his reaction to my vote D1, inactivity is annoying, but that's NAI

lynch candidates:
zakk - stated earlier with my vote
rb - i didn't liked his playstyle trough this game, he was scumlean since D1, holding till replacement
BTD - stated earlier with vote, holding on this slot till replacememnt comes in
creature - didn't liked that "swapped faction, cause Ircher asked", had scumlean trough game

[Ramcius]

lol that's sad.

sad, cause you on my lynch list or sad, cause i don't want lynch LUV?

[Ramcius]

I'm not sure if anyone in your lynch list is actually scum.

it's pure PoE and i explained you why i make these reads, so i expect reasoning behind your words too, especially since you one of lynchees on my list

[Ramcius]

welcome aboard, Pere

[Ramcius]

Hi PeregrineV, can you confirm you're a 1-shot Friendly Neighbor and used your shot on Not_Mafia N1?

considering NM died N1, he couldn't tell anyone he was visited by friendly neighbor, so claim have no weight

[Ramcius]

idk why nobody in Dauntless is being NKed.

huh? Trans was what faction?

[Ramcius]

Oh right, I forgot.

still, you didn't explained your TR on zakk and BTD, at least i got now why you TR rb/Pere

[Ramcius]

And is zakk scum?




Would like this answer before I go read him.

good question, but we have no night results to clear or guilty him

[Ramcius]

could be a framer, framing screenplay because they knew the target in advance

again, still have to lynch screenplay to find out

This was my next thought

There is also a bus driver

looking Ircher ISO i found him pointing at this zakk words, considering Ircher flipped mafia bus driver it's interesting thing to say

[Ramcius]

And is zakk scum?




Would like this answer before I go read him.

good question, but we have no night results to clear or guilty him

Since you're voting him, what is your opinion based on?

i think he's a good lynch, he did some questionable moves D1 by trying out serums, tried to learn Dauntless serum specifically (said he was drunk and don't remember that message later)

[Ramcius]

Why aren't you considering Nero? I haven't felt good about some of his recent statements and my recent interactions with him.

cause i lean town on him, and why Nero over alban in this case?

I claim compulsive bus driver.

I targeted RM and Srceen N1 and Creature and Momo N2.

okay i totally missed this post. this makes so much more clear now.

there's absolutely NO reason to target screenplay unless you KNEW he'd be a target, and since after RM pushing through the D1 lynch they thought they could kill two birds with one stone by hoping everyone copping / rolecopping RM would get a "scum" or "neapolitan" result from screenplay, it makes perfect sense to try to set up RM as having bussed Aris D1 for massive town cred. This also makes sense as to why they didn't kill him N1 and waited until N2.

ALSO. i think the only reason he claimed this (thereby revealing the probability of a is because he knew if anyone else had targeted him for more info (which he may have thought was likely) that he didn't want to get caught fakeclaiming, because a claim is supposed to save you, not damn you... and also, in every good lie there is a bit of truth, etc. so yeah he probably just inadvertently straight up ADMITTED there's a mole in the faction

so yea in my mind there is basically GUARANTEED a mole inside of Dauntless now.

@everyone: read this post

Can you please illustrate this one further time in bulletproof format.
It could potentially be the post that solves the game.

[This is my first game with a bus driver in it].

Yea sure.

So, first; Screenplay was an unlikely target for night actions (imo)

, whereas Radiant Moonlight should have been a frickin' LIGHTNING ROD for night actions after pushing a super fast scum lynch on Aristophanes (townies should have suspected that it was a bussing play for early town-leader cred, so he should have been investigated, tracked, protected, etc., and also, scum should have probably tried to kill him).

Yet, he not only got targeted by Dauntless (care to explain why that was, by the way?), he ALSO allegedly got targeted by the scum bus driver.

There's four possibilities here:

1. There's NOT scum in Dauntless, and Ircher told the TRUTH about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

This would be EXTREMELY weird; why would they choose to bus drive Screenplay and RM? Makes no sense whatsoever. There was no reason to target Screenplay for anything like this, unless you KNEW he needed to be switched with someone, which would require scum in Dauntless, to tip off Ircher. We can discard this outright, in favor of option 4.

2. There IS SCUM in Dauntless, and Ircher was LYING about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

This doesn't really make sense; why would he claim this? To save himself? He was going down anyway, wouldn't have helped. To try to throw shade on RM? We had already seen RM lead a lynch on Aristophanes, why would we believe him (especially after he flipped scum) if he was trying to make RM look bad? We can safely discard this scenario as well.

3. There's NOT scum in Dauntless, and Ircher was LYING about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

This could be the case. It wouldn't be too much a stretch. Scum often lie while trying not to get lynched, or before twilight. But it requires leaps of logic, such as that Ircher made up the fact that they bussed Screenplay (why would he do that? it doesn't serve any purpose, as we went over in option 2), and, of course, this option pales in comparison to the last option...

4. The OCCAM'S RAZOR option: There IS SCUM in Dauntless, and Ircher told the TRUTH about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

I think this is clearly the best option. It's the most obvious, the simplest, and it makes the most sense, especially when you think about the fact that situations change, plans change, and that we are all mafia players who must react to things. So here's how I believe it went down (creative license has been used liberally, lol):

- Whoever was scum in Dauntless found out that Screenplay was gonna be targeted.
- They were like "oh shit!" at first, then after discussing it a bit in the scum thread, they were like "wait wait wait, we all good m8, Ircher's a busdriver" and lol's abounded because they all thought they were gonna confuse the shit out of the town and send improper results about Screenplay to Dauntless.
- Then, Screenplay got lynched anyway, and they were like "SHIT MAN"... but "oh well... couldn't be avoided..." but then on the bright side, at least they still have a "mole" in the Dauntless faction, because (with conventional logic prevailing) why would any scum in the Dauntless faction allow Screenplay to be investigated? ... so, boom, town block in Dauntless, right? (or so we think).
- Shos turns results on Ircher saying he's scum. Ircher gets flash-wagoned. In the heat of the moment, he tries to save himself by doing an honest claim (in case shos wasn't being totally straightforward and it wasn't a COP result, just say, a tracker result or something, I guess) and says exactly what he did, in hopes of getting people to un-wagon a power role.

Note:

At this point, he doesn't realize he's basically blowing the cover of the Dauntless scum mole.
- Everybody's like "nahhhhh he's lying scum, lynch the bastard" and we write off what he says as scum flailing and lying and trying to confuse things.
- We ignore what he said for long enough that we forget about it... and never realize what it actually means... until now.
- zakk uncharacteristically eats his breakfast... and suddenly has super brain powers and realizes all this shit, and is super confident about it.

And now we're up to speed. I think.

it sounds nice, but you miss 1 small detail - it was Ircher, who told us bus driver not work on serums, so they learned that before presumably using their ability on Srceen N1? or after it failed? Maybe they tried setup RM with bus drive? As i said, whole this is big WIFOM, so i rather not dig there now

[Ramcius]

4. The OCCAM'S RAZOR option: There IS SCUM in Dauntless, and Ircher told the TRUTH about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

I think this is clearly the best option. It's the most obvious, the simplest, and it makes the most sense, especially when you think about the fact that situations change, plans change, and that we are all mafia players who must react to things. So here's how I believe it went down (creative license has been used liberally, lol):

Another problem with your theory zakk is that the serum's shouldn't be affected by things like bus driver. Or at least I think? I think the mod mentioned something like that earlier.

it sounds nice, but you miss 1 small detail - it was Ircher, who told us bus driver not work on serums, so they learned that before presumably using their ability on Srceen N1? or after it failed? Maybe they tried setup RM with bus drive? As i said, whole this is big WIFOM, so i rather not dig there now

Yes, that's the clincher for me: did scum not know that the

faction abilities

bypass the

player's abilities

? If they did, it kind of weakens this theory, making me uncertain whether I'd lynch in LUV/Ramcius (today).
We would also have to assume mafia were being very optimistic in hoping everything would fall as precisely into place as they'd planned.

In zakk's theory, mafia basically just f****d up their gambit...

Was there any confirmation/suggestion from keyenpeydee about the fact that faction abilities bypassed player's abilities BEFORE NIGHT 1?

i don't remember any and Ircher said he PM'ed mod to learn it

[Ramcius]

Let's just put this to rest:

@mod: Do serum abilities supersede/bypass/overrule/etc. role abilities?

yes, they do, mod answered in our faction chat

[Ramcius]

Town, because he Undertale'd.

i see you ignored shos, so i ask you directly - where Ircher asked you to join his faction?

[Ramcius]

I am not very capable at reading Creature but I do have a scum lean on him. It's the little things

Pedit. Why would someone vote Nero.

He was pissed scum D1 but not much after that.

LUV biased, cause Nero SR him

[Ramcius]

Why should he be a town read?

And Ram, why the mispersentation? My scum read has nothing to do with him scum reading me.

ok, then why you SR him? Maybe i misunderstood last time, when you said something similar to that he started push you

[Ramcius]

I just can't use it yet because there are many players and only one scum, and I keep getting lost in my townreads.

how you know it's only 1 scum left?

[Ramcius]

dauntless turned tracker results on screenplay performing a kill N1, so he was lynched d2 (scum)

How was that vote/discussion in the dauntless PT?

5 days before deadline i came with list of Ari, Srceen and shos, wasn't much discussion over that, after D1 ended, i voted Srceen, cause his actions at day end by pushing momo as counter to Ari and calling everyone idiots for not following him coupled with him coasting trough D1 pinged me for check over other possibilities, Trans probably was same opinion, cause voted right after me, later in the night LUV hammered without trying turn check elsewhere

[Ramcius]

dauntless turned tracker results on screenplay performing a kill N1, so he was lynched d2 (scum)

How was that vote/discussion in the dauntless PT?

5 days before deadline i came with list of Ari, Srceen and shos, wasn't much discussion over that, after D1 ended, i voted Srceen, cause his actions at day end by pushing momo as counter to Ari and calling everyone idiots for not following him coupled with him coasting trough D1 pinged me for check over other possibilities, Trans probably was same opinion, cause voted right after me, later in the night LUV hammered without trying turn check elsewhere

Was the result that he did the kill or that he performed an action on Not_Mafia?

result was Srceen investigated and killed

[Ramcius]

Wasn't it follower result?

Oh I guess yeah. I called it Tracker cause that's the role I remember more than follower, but is the actual ability different in anything but name?

tracker see target, follower type of committed action, but not who was targeted, so it's more like weak rolecop

[Ramcius]

@ Ramcius / PV / shos / everyone really

Nero Cain v. Lil Uzi Vert solo votes. Thoughts? I think one of these wagons is where I'll be at the end of the day

i don't see any reason to lynch Nero, as for LUV, he haven't done something to attract my attention to say "this is town", but neither i have SR on him, i just not want in my faction without good reason considering how Srceen voting went

[Ramcius]

Nero, did you rolled scum again?

[Ramcius]

can someone make a nice colored table of who is responsible to each kill that we know about?

well, only Mewtaph probably by Erudite, still no confirmation from them, all others no info

[Ramcius]

Nero, did you rolled scum again?

naw, don't fall for Zakks bullshit.

i don't, but you jumping from person to person like desperately looking for lynch lately

[Ramcius]

VOTE: ThinkBig

he's avoiding thred

[Ramcius]

VOTE: ThinkBig

he's avoiding thread

EBWOP

[Ramcius]

VOTE: ThinkBig

he's avoiding thred

means nothing as the thread is huge and he just replaced in.

Pere replaced same time, yet he tried talk to us, also considering BTD was my first pick for lynch i'm ok to push Big to talk

[Ramcius]

i was looking at factions and just realized - why ever scum would leave Erudite? Staying in faction with vig is very powerful, they could try sway shot at town, so Creature i put to town lean for now

[Ramcius]

i was looking at factions and just realized - why ever scum would leave Erudite? Staying in faction with vig is very powerful, they could try sway shot at town, so Creature i put to town lean for now

What about me? I left too. Moreover, I brought it to the mod's notice that RB should be let in Erudite.

well you wasn't on my latest lynch list

[Ramcius]

i was looking at factions and just realized - why ever scum would leave Erudite? Staying in faction with vig is very powerful, they could try sway shot at town, so Creature i put to town lean for now

There would have to be scum in it from the beginning to know that the power was to vig.

Otherwise they would have to get someone INTO Euridite to find out the power.

2689 is trying to look where scum started, and where would they go, and why.

good point, but i'm not talking about people joining Erudite (your predecessor was one of them), only leaving it, also, 2 scums that we lynched D2 and D3 didn't left their factions for some reason

[Ramcius]

i was looking at factions and just realized - why ever scum would leave Erudite? Staying in faction with vig is very powerful, they could try sway shot at town, so Creature i put to town lean for now

What about me? I left too. Moreover, I brought it to the mod's notice that RB should be let in Erudite.

well you wasn't on my latest lynch list

I was just being a cheeky fuck

why you so concerned about my read on you? It's not like i pushing for your lynch or was voting you lately

[Ramcius]

Dude I just said I was pulling your leg.

i know, but question was why you "pulled my leg" as you said, but you not participating in scumhunting discussion?

[Ramcius]

maybe better just modkill that slot?

[Ramcius]

Wouldn't that end the game then?

would be nice, if it would

[Ramcius]

No, it makes perfect sense. You don't know the whole picture, and also, you're forgetting to factor in doublekills, protects, etc.

So, we have 1 extra kill N2, we have dead doc N1. That means N1 and N3 kills are missing, no confirmed TP alive for protect N3, so if you know something we don't, speak up

[Ramcius]

can more votes pile up please

why you want lynch Nero now?

[Ramcius]

You claimed a result on Keyser, right?

Speaking of this, if y'all don't mind, could somebody update me on all the claims and stuff? I'm not completely reading the entire thread, so I'm probably missing stuff and that would help a ton. tia

we have no claims i think, only thing close to it was Srceen saying he checked Wheme and got VT as Neap N1, but he was mafia Neap, so not sure how much we can trust that

[Ramcius]

VOTE: aronis

poe

But why does BTD/Aronis-scum stay in Amity when Screenplay is already in there?

on D1 there was discussion about not switching factions, so scums can't learn serums, if they aren't in faction initially. Srceen and Ircher stayed in their faction, so BTD could stayed too for same reason to not attract attention for leaving faction. Also, N2 both kills was in Amity faction - Srceen was already lynched, why kill in Amity then?

[Ramcius]

just to piggyback, 2/3 flipped scum didn't move factions. Also, Elana was a vig shot/SK pretending to be a vig.

how you know Elena was vig/sk?

[Ramcius]

Why would scum use a shot on lynchbait like Elana?

i could argue Elena being lynchbait, i could argue mafia shot on RM due their plan to lynch Mewtaph, especially after Ari flip red, but that's just assumptions, fact is - mafia killed in Amity

[Ramcius]

alban

Whoever is desperate to know who I am could simply switch to Candor tonight.

you can't switch anymore, it was one time N2 ability

[Ramcius]

my preferences for lynch stays same - Aronis, Pere or zakk

[Ramcius]

Dauntless: 1shot investigative thing (used on Srceenplay)

I am pretty sure this was a track.

it was follower

[Ramcius]

I think 5 factions + 5 scum makes flavor + balance sense. I have definitely said this before. Also I have no delusions that we are going to lynch 4/4 scum in 4 days That's just crazy talk. On the best of days.

And btw there's been 2 kills for each of at least 2 nights, and knowing what I know there IS DEFINITELY 100% GUARANTEED to be a serial killer unless someone is lying, and that gets resolved tomorrow because there's one real quick way to prove whether there is one or not but it takes one more phase, end it depends on things that I have discovered that only I and a few others can know or figure out, based on evidence either in their own role, or their own factional topic, and which I'm not going to be sharing to the public, for obvious reasons. There's a good reason that basically nobody of any skill or knowledge is pushing for my lynch today... it's because I'm almost guaranteed town. You should know this, knowing what you know, but you apparently don't, meaning you're either playing dumb or you really are dumb. In both cases I'm OK with a lynch on you.

And since I 99% believe there is an SK, and since it would be stupid to have a 20p game with only a 3-man groupscum team, it's not a stretch at all to make a safe lynch on the most survivalistic player in the game (you) and hope for an SK kill... Because that's how you've been playing all game. Like a serial killer. And getting rid of that kill is worth it, no matter how you want to slice it. And you should really, really, really know that I'm town right now (hint hint hint) but you apparently don't.

are you saying Mewtaph was sk kill, not Erudite vig ability? How you know that? Cause rb at start of day hinted it was vig shot

VOTE: zakk

this sk push before end of day is really weird

[Ramcius]

Also I have no delusions that we are going to lynch 4/4 scum in 4 days That's just crazy talk. On the best of days.

also this pings me really hard, why lynch someone, if you don't think they flip scum?

[Ramcius]

obv because you think they are most likely to. that doesn't mean it's 50%+.

NC, leave it.
LUV.

no, it's not that, it's death tunnel on NC, yet leaving room for NC flipping green and "sorry, guys, 4/4 scum lynches is just hard, maybe there wasn't sk after all" shenanigans

i'm not lynching LUV, unless you have guilty on him

[Ramcius]

basically zakk is spewing my ideas from Candor, lol, perhaps with additions of his own

NC definitely fits to be an SK, and there definitely is an SK in high likelihood(sp?) and nero is probably not groupscum anyway.

1 kill from N2 isn't enough to prove sk existence

[Ramcius]

basically zakk is spewing my ideas from Candor, lol, perhaps with additions of his own

NC definitely fits to be an SK, and there definitely is an SK in high likelihood(sp?) and nero is probably not groupscum anyway.

1 kill from N2 isn't enough to prove sk existence

Explain the other kill.

Then, when you can't, think about what I could possibly know that you don't.

Then, when your head is finally out of your ass, vote Nero.

as it was mentioned already plenty of times - rb inclined Mewtaph was Erudite faction kill, have any other info? Cause no one from Erudite confirm/deny despite me bringing it up and asking them

basically zakk is spewing my ideas from Candor, lol, perhaps with additions of his own

NC definitely fits to be an SK, and there definitely is an SK in high likelihood(sp?) and nero is probably not groupscum anyway.

1 kill from N2 isn't enough to prove sk existence

got any better explanations?

yes, i wouldn't be surprised, if vig got rid of RM

[Ramcius]

Also I have no delusions that we are going to lynch 4/4 scum in 4 days That's just crazy talk. On the best of days.

also this pings me really hard, why lynch someone, if you don't think they flip scum?

Lmao... Okay

1. How many time you seen it done?
2. Does it look like I'm trying to lynch somebody I think it's town?
3. Again, pull your head out of your ass.

We are saying the same things (i.e. I'm not gonna lynch LUV without more info) but you're buying into NC's bullshit for some reason

if i deathtunnel someone, i don't say it's very unlikely them to flip town. When i'm not sure with my reads, like it is now, i don't deathtunnel people

[Ramcius]

Also I have no delusions that we are going to lynch 4/4 scum in 4 days That's just crazy talk. On the best of days.

also this pings me really hard, why lynch someone, if you don't think they flip scum?

Lmao... Okay

1. How many time you seen it done?
2. Does it look like I'm trying to lynch somebody I think it's town?
3. Again, pull your head out of your ass.

We are saying the same things (i.e. I'm not gonna lynch LUV without more info) but you're buying into NC's bullshit for some reason

if i deathtunnel someone, i don't say it's very unlikely them to flip town. When i'm not sure with my reads, like it is now, i don't deathtunnel people

Is it really deathtunneling when we're this close to the deadline?

it started long before deadline, so yes, it's deathtunnel



i could lynch NC, but if he flip town, we lynch zakk tomorrow, deal?

[Ramcius]

Also I have no delusions that we are going to lynch 4/4 scum in 4 days That's just crazy talk. On the best of days.

also this pings me really hard, why lynch someone, if you don't think they flip scum?

Lmao... Okay

1. How many time you seen it done?
2. Does it look like I'm trying to lynch somebody I think it's town?
3. Again, pull your head out of your ass.

We are saying the same things (i.e. I'm not gonna lynch LUV without more info) but you're buying into NC's bullshit for some reason

if i deathtunnel someone, i don't say it's very unlikely them to flip town. When i'm not sure with my reads, like it is now, i don't deathtunnel people

Who are you death tunneling? Me? Lol uhhhh

You basically just farted around all day and let me and Nero argue and scum hunt (whether real or fake is immaterial) and then at the end you spoke up.

That's not a death tunnel, that's trying to stay under the radar.

i'm not claiming i deathtunnel anyone, you are

I'm townleaning on Nero whole game, i even said so, when i did PoE for who i would lynch, and i defended that stance, but if Nero is only lynch we can agree, i want one of my SR getting lynched tomorrow, especially one pushing most for Nero head

[Ramcius]

Also I have no delusions that we are going to lynch 4/4 scum in 4 days That's just crazy talk. On the best of days.

also this pings me really hard, why lynch someone, if you don't think they flip scum?

Lmao... Okay

1. How many time you seen it done?
2. Does it look like I'm trying to lynch somebody I think it's town?
3. Again, pull your head out of your ass.

We are saying the same things (i.e. I'm not gonna lynch LUV without more info) but you're buying into NC's bullshit for some reason

if i deathtunnel someone, i don't say it's very unlikely them to flip town. When i'm not sure with my reads, like it is now, i don't deathtunnel people

Is it really deathtunneling when we're this close to the deadline?

it started long before deadline, so yes, it's deathtunnel



i could lynch NC, but if he flip town, we lynch zakk tomorrow, deal?

Everything I've heard from my faction gives me reason to believe zakk is town. But if Nero flips town, then I'm open to the option of further investigating a zakk lynch tomorrow. But I'll also be open to the option of looking into you. Lining up lynches early can be a really bad idea. Scum have reason to kill a townie lined up for the next lynch. Sure,if they are scum, it works out, but if they're town, you're just setting up a guaranteed scenario to mislynch a townie that made a bad push.

go ahead, i have nothing to hide, but how realistic from me to buss 2 scumbuddies D1? Cause i brought attention on Ari and Srceen in my hood for use of follower ability way before D1 deadline, i pushed for Srceen follow N1

[Ramcius]

Nero keeps trying to convince peoplenthere qre 4 scums. Thinking that there are less scum than there actually are is bad for town. Very happy with this lynch

are you saying we have 3 mafia and sk setup? cause that's only way i could believe sk exists and made kills N2 and N3, but then again, how would you know that?

[Ramcius]

4+sk.

then we have 2 missing kills from N1 and N3, so your theory isn't holding up with 1 random kill, which could came from some sort of vig instead and not sk

[Ramcius]

Ramcius - looks increasingly like he's scum trying to line up me/Nero in whatever order possible, for whatever reasoning possible

first, i told many times Nero is my townlean and i rather not lynch him, as for you, i said many times too, it was PoE from early D4, it not looks like Pere or Aronis are possible to lynch, so i have to settle on your lynch

[Ramcius]

Speaking of Keyser/LUV... I don't know why we all considered them for scum at some point, but Ramcius has never really been on the table for discussion. Why is that?

because i wouldn't bus 2 of my scumbuddies D1 - i brought Ari and Srceen as candidates for serum, pushed Ari's wagon at end of D1, and it was my initiative to follow Srceen N1

[Ramcius]

Speaking of Keyser/LUV... I don't know why we all considered them for scum at some point, but Ramcius has never really been on the table for discussion. Why is that?

because i wouldn't bus 2 of my scumbuddies D1 - i brought Ari and Srceen as candidates for serum, pushed Ari's wagon at end of D1, and it was my initiative to follow Srceen N1

I typically hate "if i was scum i wouldn't / wouldn't have ..." arguments...

but... I understand where you're coming from.


So... please read what I have posted on Aronis. And opine thereon.




I think I just needed a kick in the pants.
And something felt wrong about me and Nero being the two main wagons... MOSTLY since we are the two most active players.

BTD was my first pick, i was last person to leave Aronis wagon and voting you, so i have no problem lynch him

VOTE: Aronis

[Ramcius]

get your votes on Aronis or give good reason not to, we not lynching Keyser today

[Ramcius]

get your votes on Aronis or give good reason not to, we not lynching Keyser today

I'm not opposed to Aronis. But we've already literally drummed up enough support for a Keyser lynch, wet just need the votes to materialize. On the other hand, I see no proof that an Aronis vote right now will actually lead to a lynch.

Aronis was leading wagon most of day, now Keyser come from nowhere, i can't even see a reason for his lynch being presented, and when i'm saying we don't lynch Keyser, we don't lynch him, we lynch lurk scum

and drummed means nothing, you still have them to make votes

[Ramcius]

UNVOTE: Keyser Söze
VOTE: Nero Cain

I'm sorry if you actually are town, but we've got 8 hours left and it's the middle of the night. There's not enough time left to get a better compromise.

This makes L-3. zakk would make it L-2. Hopefully somebody else will be active and join in too.

@Everyone:

shos and I aren't voting zakk today, period. That makes getting a lynch on him very hard right now (and just a really bad idea). So if you guys also want a lynch to happen, I believe Nero is the best reasonable compromise at the moment. Please jump on this wagon and hopefully we'll get scum.

if you and nero vote Aronis, he'll be L-3 too

[Ramcius]

Put someone to L-1 or L-2, then I'll vote.

just put your vote ffs

if you don't want be here, replace out, it goes for everyone, who have no interest in playing this game aymore

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Aronis

Not sure if I voted him

Ramcius, your turn.

my turn for what? I'm voting Aronis already

[Ramcius]

If both of you put your vote on Nero, he should be at L-1.

or you could put Aronis at L-2 and help save mod from trouble looking another replacement

[Ramcius]

Hi, not much time left so any burning things I need to read?

claim would be nice, cause you are main lynch for now

[Ramcius]

what is your flavor name, Gamma?

[Ramcius]

after reading wiki about flavor i feel it's town

[Ramcius]

UNVOTE:

[Ramcius]

after reading wiki about flavor i feel it's town

Also, please elaborate on what you read that suggests that. For future reference.

Uriah Pedrad was one of the closest friends of main character and other flipped town flavor names

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Nero

i'd rather get Pere at this point, but you take what you can i guess, it's better than no lynch

[Ramcius]

after reading wiki about flavor i feel it's town

Also, please elaborate on what you read that suggests that. For future reference.

Uriah Pedrad was one of the closest friends of main character and other flipped town flavor names

I see. I know literally nothing about Divergent characters. Have power roles all been significant characters? And have any "good" characters been scum?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_D ... characters

wiki link for all characters

[Ramcius]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_D ... characters

sorry

as to other question - all town flipped was friends/allies of main character, all scum flips were enemies/opponents of main character

[Ramcius]

Is Edward good?

nope, Edward is violent, stabbed another guy in eye with knife, cause got ranked 2nd, left faction and joined factionless, beated people and got shot according to wiki, might really fit sk

[Ramcius]

yeah, you right, he got stabbed

guess Evelyn was main Evil, and Edward was on her command as factionless and led main protagonist to Evelyn later

[Ramcius]

ah, this one was Peter, traito0r role would fir for him much better flavor wise, he was on both sides all time

[Ramcius]

Why is it so hard to lynch Aronis

Why does everyone want to lynch Nero Cain now that I *don't* wanna lynch Nero Cain

Why why why

flavor claims, also scum wouldn't claim VT here

and it's Gamma now, not Aronis

[Ramcius]

Wiki says Edward was only in book allied with Ewelyn, in movies he was only in first, in 2nd and 3rd he was replaced by Edgar (same person in essence, guess something with original Edward actor not wanting take part in sequels)

[Ramcius]

Keyser, why you dismissed everything i said night i got killed?

Anyway, gg, guys

[Ramcius]

I couldn't understand why mafia-LUV would needlesly f**k up his mafia team... (I was wrongly clinging onto WIFOM to defend LUV, I couldn't see him as SK-scum either (no SK-motivation in his play. Thus, I read him as town. He wasn't a town-read through content though.)

[Just read the mafia PT - they didn't know the serum's bypassed player abilities]

yes, PV screwed them N1, i learned that after death

[Ramcius]

Also great job town! Luck was on your side the whole game.

i'd call that skill, not luck

[Ramcius]

Keyen, i looked at sheet and i think somewhere is mistake - how Mewtaph died? I see mafia and SK targeting Trans N3, Erudite shot Wheme N4(?)?