mini-normal 1892 - GAME END - Bodies, all over the floor

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LQ jumps hard on Hans at the beginning for... saying hi and putting RVS vote in 2 separate posts? And for being the 2nd vote on a "wagon" (if you can call it one at that point), which is the point of RVS anyways? I'm having a hard time following.

That being said, Hans/LQ feels tvt right now in my opinion.

BJC is the one that appears to be trying to hard at this point, trying to claim power lynch on someone for getting the game started.
VOTE: bjc

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LQ meh. Cutting RVS short is just killing this game.

Why are there no votes on this?

When this post was made half of the playerlist hadn't even posted yet, and the case presented seemed like a bit of a stretch at best. Trying to push a game out of RVS before it gets there naturally has a tendency to stifle discussion or make everyone in town rehash the same points over and over again.

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VOTE: vote:Horrordude

Vote was horrible.

I already said I thought LQ/Hans was tvt, bj was the closest thing I had to a scumread, and his "lolwhatever" reactions to it were pretty bleh.

[horrordude0215]

VOTE: vote:Horrordude

Vote was horrible.

I already said I thought LQ/Hans was tvt, bj was the closest thing I had to a scumread, and his "lolwhatever" reactions to it were pretty bleh.

Why do you think what bj did was Scummy but not Nancy? I get you agreed with nancy, but tbh, i have never seen content die because I got the game out of RVS ASAP, it usually does the opposite. I have a semi hard time believing that you still remember something like this considering how long you were away from Mafia.

Agree with your point on bj though.

I don't necessarily think that nancy saying a short RVS stifles discussion is scummy, I see it as more of a difference in playstyle than anything.

BJ literally said to powerlynch someone on page 3 (because you were "trying to hard)? While I agree that the initial case was weak, the attempt to get out of RVS early wasn't scummy. BJ implied that you were trying to hard, and has since contributed nothing to the thread.

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BJ, so far all you've done in the game is vote for LQ for "trying to hard" in page 39 and then bitch about people that are voting you.

And the rest of us all have lives and things that keep us busy outside of this game. To claim shitposting is all we can expect of you because of this is anti-town at best and scummy at worst, because it's as if you're trying to give yourself a pass from producing actual content.

[horrordude0215]

VOTE: bj
LQ town
Horror lean town
Hans null town
Fart null
Bj scum
Rest are null

Fuck this BS let's kill Frank.. I can't believe this attitude

Frank town read everyone but me[/quote]
Do you comprehend bro? Null =/= townread. He listed 3 potential town, 1 scumread, and a shit ton of nullreads.

[horrordude0215]

LQ jumps hard on Hans at the beginning for...

saying hi and putting RVS vote in 2 separate posts? And for being the 2nd vote on a "wagon"

(if you can call it one at that point), which is the point of RVS anyways? I'm having a hard time following.

That being said, Hans/LQ feels tvt right now in my opinion.

BJC is the one that appears to be trying to hard at this point, trying to claim power lynch on someone for getting the game started.
VOTE: bjc

Bold: blatantly inaccurate.

EBWOP. Ment to include that horror thinks I am voting hans for being the second on the wagon. I never implied that anywhere so no idea where he got that one.

Hiya everyone

VOTE: Mono

Clearly you are not even paying attention to what is said itt, or so it appears. I think you are trying to play it off like you are taking it easy, but in reality you are afraid that people are going to find you Scummy.

Its likely you already read all the responses itt and are voting momo so that a wagon builds as a way to deflect attention away from yourself.

Your entrance also doesn't fit with the tone I set with my first posts, so that has me thinking you are Scummy.

Bolded where I got that from, LQ. What you quoted in 23 were Hans' first two posts in the game, and this was the reasoning you gave for voting him before you presented the case in 26.

[horrordude0215]

The sac is wack

Brilliant

I def thought he said the town was clown and mine was supposed to parallel that but I realize now he said the clown is town ):

The clown is town.

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So in this game (this game in particular) I would like to avoid giving people a free pass because they are Town read early, cuz I kinda feel like our Scum reads aren't very good and our Town reads are being Town read way too easily.

Thoughts?

This makes a lot of sense. I'm personally usually hesitant about outing townreads with only a few exceptions. Besides, if everyone starts outing townreads and there are common players on each list, it gives scum a shortlist for NK opportunities.

ok? Who is getting a free pass? Why do you think the current wagons are wring without any flips?

Its just a fear I have that people are going to stop questioning people once they are Town read.

I have no idea what wring is. What is this word? I am not assuming anything about the wagons at this time, only what is represented as reads.

I read this as him asking why you think the current wagons are

wrong

without flips.

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@Hans - I'm not currently scumreading LQ. That's the most in depth I'm going for now.

[horrordude0215]

I see a lot of posts but see very little actually happening

Why don't you contribute to the town instead of pointing out that me (and one or two others) are voting you

The irony in these posts is astounding coming from someone who has done absolutely nothing all game.

LQ's vote on Clown:

Does anyone else think this post feels fake?

Going to:

VOTE: Horror

seems reasonable, but some things seem to be

misinterpretations

.

P-Edit

Me and Nero agree on this, it seems

What are these 'misinterpretations'

It was already discussed. RTFT.

To be fair - you did seem to agree with my explanation as to why I said what I did and even chalked it up to a "misinterpretation on both of us" (instead of a blatant misrep as you called it earlier), yet kept your vote on me for another 5 pages. I didn't notice that until you switched. (Speaking of which,

@Mod - can we get a new vote count please?

)

LQ's play right now is reading as frustrated townie upset that we can't see how town he is moreso than cornered scum, in my opinion. His responses remind me a lot of my own when I first started playing and would get overly defensive whenever anyone cast a shadow of suspicion on me.

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Hans' case isn't the most convincing piece of literature I've ever read, but I certainly wouldn't call it incoherent.

Also, this entire game thread is 50% just LQ and Hans going back and forth. I'd like to hear something of substance from pretty much

someone

everyone else.

[horrordude0215]

Yay thread explosion! Let's see what we've got to work with.

goodbye

daykill:momo

lmao. If only it was real.

What?????>

This looks to be a Scum claim to me, what do you think Hans?

really man? Explain that one to me.

He daykilled me.....

Unfortunately no he didn't but I still think we should lynch you for your awful post we've already documented.

You have done nothing but lurk all day and

this

is what you come up with?

This wagon needs rope.

...are you f**king kidding me? We have 3 pages of more Hans/LQ back and forth? This is getting more than a little ridiculous.

[horrordude0215]

Fart - You admitted that your inital case on Frank was weak

yeah I'm prob reading too much into it but it's better than RVS

Has Frank done anything that would further solidify a scumread for you?

[horrordude0215]

BJ needs more votes please.

[horrordude0215]

BJ needs more votes please.

[horrordude0215]

The read I'm least certain on is BJ.

Someone tell me what to think please.

He deserves rope.

[horrordude0215]

I still don't like the LQ lynch. It may be that I just haven't played with him before, but I'm not getting the obvscum reads you are.

[horrordude0215]

VOTE: bj

I don't see 2 bodyguards in a game that also has JK as a way for protection.

[horrordude0215]

How balanced would it be if 5/13 of the players in the game were be anti-town? (2 mafia factions of at least 2 players + SK)

At least one of the kills came from town, imo.

[horrordude0215]

Nero, can you please explain your case on me? The reasoning I see thus far from your ISO is that you didn't like my initial vote on BJ.

[horrordude0215]

I just wanted to clarify that, in a 43 page thread, your reason for voting me is because you don't like a vote I made on page 4.

[horrordude0215]

Why don't you think it makes sense?

this was to LUV

Cool, thanks for the clarification.

Okay, I have been playing along but now I am ready to reveal what I have found out. LQ is definitely scum. I know town LQ, and this is not the same.

LQ uses evidence, analysis, and gut to form reads. Nothing has happened this game. All I have seen is LQ trying to pocket me. And I don't feel like giving an explanation at this point: that's something town!LQ would get mad at. And LQ would never agree with a post as bland as 598. Before town LQ would organize a wagon, there would be evidence piled up in quotations. Also, acting friendly with me. LQ does not like to play with me. I no this. He thinks that I am a newb and a good target for a policy lynch. No, all of his posts this game have been geared at pocketing me because he knows that the two of us together have a higher chance of have an impact than him alone. I know that meta is not everything but this game is too much.

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Okay. Judging by LQ's lack of reaction, he is prob not scum. Just had to check. Sorry bro. Couldn't let myself be controlled by scum now could I???
VOTE: bjc0303

@Superhans. What do you think of the case I made against LQ earlier.

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Again, hans, LUV, and NC, what do you think??/

Hey momo, you went from "LQ is scum because meta reasons" to "LQ is prob not scum" to voting him again in the span of 20 posts... none of which were LQ's. You then proceed to tunnel on LQ for the rest of the day, despite earlier saying that you "personally try to never tunnel as I believe an open mind is key to mafia".

Also, wasn't Fart the one with nothing but a bunch of shit posts?

This is pretty damn ironic.

That being said...

UNVOTE: BJ
VOTE: momo

[horrordude0215]

Im here. Reading now.

Still reading?

[horrordude0215]

Having no LQ/Hans/Fart in this game has caused activity to drop significantly. Looking at some ISOs, Ms. Columbo worries me. She failed to contribute really anything of significance yesterday at all, mainly just commenting and sheeping on other cases already presented. She also hasn't posted since day started though...

@Mod: Prod on Columbo?

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I understand being too busy to post regularly, but my issue is that she doesn't post things of substance/anything original when she does contribute.

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The problem with D1 being 42 pages is that it was so heavily dominated by LQ going back and forth with virtually everyone (plus the incessant shitposting from people as well) that it's making it very difficult to get a read on others.

I plan on doing ISO reads on everyone over the next few days, depending on my availability.

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Hey all - Sorry for not responding to anything this weekend, I'm V/LA for most Saturdays/Sundays. I'll read through the thread and respond to what's new here later today.

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I'm personally usually hesitant about outing townreads with only a few exceptions.

yet you were calling a TvT fight earlier. Why were you not hesitant then?

TvT is one of the aforementioned exceptions, especially if there are wagons coming on one or both of the players because they're tunneling each other.

You were tunneled on BJ all of d1. I know its slightly hypocritical since I tunnel often but I also think scum will sometimes have a limited scum list and be glued on 1 or 2 players at a time so that its "just enough" to get by.

What do you think I should be town reading you for?

That actually is a very good point. I didn't fully realize how much I had tunneled on BJ before this as far as scumreads go. I think I was more caught up in the LQ/Hans back and forth for the first 40 pages of the game like most everyone else. I'll fully admit that there's not much to townread me at the moment, but I don't think that there's much to scumread me for either from my obviously biased perspective.

@BJ - I know pressure has kind of gone off of you thus far because of the BG claim, but you really like to go MIA pretty regularly. Care to join us for this game?

ThinkBig - Welcome to the game. You've done nothing except comment on the counterclaim... and you're at L-1 with multiple people expressing intent. What are your thoughts on the rest of the game/playerlist?

[horrordude0215]

This thread right now:

[horrordude0215]

Hey all, just a reminder that I'm V/LA on weekends. Will be back on Monday.

[horrordude0215]

I'm going to get a better post out soon, but it's lylo... shouldn't we be massclaiming at this point?

[horrordude0215]

I'm going to get a better post out soon, but it's lylo... shouldn't we be massclaiming at this point?

Wont everyone be VT lol

...you can see how good I am at setup spec huh?

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I think horror just made a wolf in sheeps clothing move

Take a look at the sig. I haven't played a game in almost 6 years, and when I first joined I was 16 and in high school. You don't want to go through those games, I promise.

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Nero, your tunneling on me has made 0 sense all game. "obvscum" doesn't even begin to apply to me here.

[horrordude0215]

Frank - is that a hard claim?

[horrordude0215]

Frank - is that a hard claim?

Why does this feel wierd

Unsure if reaction testing or legitimate claim. Just wanted to clarify.

[horrordude0215]

I ended up kingmaker in the last game I was in - 3p lylo with 1 town, 1 scum, 1 sk. SK in that instance was nk immune. BP makes total sense.

[horrordude0215]

Frank - Can you be a doll and claim who you targeted each night? That could probably help me narrow down who mafia and Desully targeted.

[horrordude0215]

We lynch town/Frank today = mafia win
We lynch mafia today, Frank shoots mafia = Town win
We lynch mafia today, Frank shoots town = Frank win assuming BP is legit.

[horrordude0215]

If you lynch town mafia have 50% of town and they win. Your only hope is scumhunting with the rest of us, ironically enough.

[horrordude0215]

Yeah if it's 3P with 1 sk 1 maf 1 town then night actions would determine winner.

[horrordude0215]

I've been really slacking on this game, and I'm sorry. I will have a post up by tomorrow at the latest, but hopefully by today.

Also, deadline is 3 days away - just FYI for everyone.

[horrordude0215]

Will look over gameplay and things soon, just putting this down here for now.

LicketyQuickety

- 7 -

Lil Uzi Vert

, Nero Cain,

Superhans

,

momo

,

bjc0303

, Desully,

Fart

ThinkBig

- 5 - horrordude0215,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Desully,

FrankJaeger

, Nero Cain

Nero and Desully were on both mislynch wagons, and there is no way that the LQ lynch was 100% town.

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Looking at ISO, I'm definitely not thrilled with Nero.

129 - Voting me because my initial vote on bj was "horrible", despite the fact that it was page 4 and the entirety of the thread to that point was LQ/Hans TVT. You later stated that I was attempting to whiteknight/chainsaw defend LQ because I stated he tried to get the game started. That's as much of a stretch as my initial vote was.

I don't really like the BJ wagon. Could kinda see momo following a "strong" town or sheeping his scumbuddy.

Momo had some suspicion on him at that point from a few players, and while this wasn't a viable wagon at this point, knowing the fact that both momo and LQ (the alleged scumbuddy, whom no one had called "strong" town at that point) both flipped town looks bad.

I don't think I really have anything to add other than desully is town for me now and BJ is conf town since I don't see scum ever counterclaiming like that...especially for a BG.

This is for me in case Nero flips scum. Claiming Desully was town when his content in the thread at that point had consisted of hopping on the LQ wagon without justification and saying Frank was scum because he posted a reads list with 5 people isolated on it... it makes no sense, and I can't see a town player actually justifying this read.

Nero, can you please explain your case on me? The reasoning I see thus far from your ISO is that you didn't like my initial vote on BJ.

TBF, there's been plenty of games where I have tunneled a player when I didn't like their content from the early game.

I just ISO'd you and to be honest there's nothing that makes me go "oh I was wrong , this is town." I'm still not a huge fan of your BJ vote and I'd like an answer to this.

I'm personally usually hesitant about outing townreads with only a few exceptions.

yet you were calling a TvT fight earlier. Why were you not hesitant then?

You were tunneled on BJ all of d1. I know its slightly hypocritical since I tunnel often but I also think scum will sometimes have a limited scum list and be glued on 1 or 2 players at a time so that its "just enough" to get by.

What do you think I should be town reading you for?

I think horror just made a wolf in sheeps clothing move

He was obvious scum. You can stop this "I'm town look at me be so surprised" act.

I don't see how you go from "what should I be town reading you for?" to "He was obvscum".

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Will look over gameplay and things soon, just putting this down here for now.

LicketyQuickety

- 7 -

Lil Uzi Vert

, Nero Cain,

Superhans

,

momo

,

bjc0303

,

Desully

,

Fart

ThinkBig

- 5 - horrordude0215,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Desully

,

FrankJaeger

, Nero Cain

Nero and Desully were on both mislynch wagons, and there is no way that the LQ lynch was 100% town.

Note that I actually am an idiot and had somehow got it in my head that Desully was still alive. Post updated.

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Jae's ISO is giving me a whole lot of nothing. If they could get back and post the rest of their thoughts on the game soon, it would be great.

Columbo has a lot of posts, but the fact that she has only placed one vote all game - on bj, which she then unvoted after the LQ CC, worries me.

Finally back. I was thrown off originally because Nero is still alive. But with Creature/bjc dead, my guess is they guarded Nero. Time those ISO reads.

This makes no sense. There is nothing in BJ's ISO that indicate he would be protecting Nero at night, and you haven't given any indication that you townread him in any way yourself. Jumping in from out of nowhere to say that you're surprised he's alive looks like buddying a partner in lylo.

Frank has claimed SK so I'm not worried about ISOing him as there's nothing that can be gained from associations there.

If I had to pick the scumteam right now, I'd say Nero/Columbo.

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Okay, looking at Columbo's games I can see that she actually very rarely votes in any of her games, so that's not a tell here.

Columbo was town in Micro 661 and scum in Newbie 1760. Just based on content and activity alone I see her trying significantly harder and making more attempts at scumhunting in her town game, while her scum game is more laid back and go with the flow. Her play in this game appears to be much like that of her scum game than town.

[horrordude0215]

Have you ever played with LQ, Frank?

No

So how do you know he's a good player? Your post is very much whiteknighting.

Have you ever played with LQ, Frank?

No

So how do you know he's a good player? Your post is very much whiteknighting.

I was asked to explain my town read...
Whiteknighting is kind of an extreme description.

I think whitknighting is a pretty good description. I mean if you are using "scum are the ones pushing LQ" to town read him why not tell me why my reasoning to suspect him is wrong.

My current tinfoil is that both Momo and Frank are whiteknighting you so you look like town when one of those two flip.

to be frank, I aven't had to yell and scream to get what I wanted. You say your play is "wonky" and that I am pushing you for just having an odd playstyle. Not true. You opportunistically tried to lay the ground work to wagon me but when I questioned you on it your responses weren't up to par and

ate

-y

Nero/Columbo's entire interactions today have screamed scumbuddies.

They both open the day conveniently townreading each other despite not having even mentioned each other in their ISOs for the first 2 days. They're going for the lylo mislynch.

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Ignore the quotes in that last post. Those weren't supposed to be there.

@Mod: any chance you can remove those?

[horrordude0215]

Somebody should do an autopsy on frank imo

This was meant to say Fart

DeSully killed Fart, Frank killed LUV, So scum is responsible for the Creature/bjc death. It wouldn't surprise me at all if scum actually just flat out killed Creature instead of creature dying because they protected someone. That brings Columbo's 1225 even more problematic fmpov.

I'm pretty sold on Columbo/Nero scumteam. If this ended up being multiball with Frank/Jae being another scumteam, I'm kingmaker for the second game in a row, and fuck this whole site.

VOTE: Nero

Best place for me right now.

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Somebody should do an autopsy on frank imo

This was meant to say Fart

DeSully killed Fart, Frank killed LUV, So scum is responsible for the Creature/bjc death.

Okay so I'm tired and this is wrong because Fart Died N1 instead of N2. DeSully killed Fart, Frank killed Alban, so scum is responsible for the Superhans death, which makes absolutely no sense to me after looking at Hans' ISO because the only thing Hans did all day was tunnel on LQ.

Whatever, I'm obviously delusional right now so NKA will get me nowhere.

Frank, talk to me. What are your thoughts on scum right now?

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saying Frank was scum because he posted a reads list with 5 people isolated on it... it makes no sense, and I can't see a town player actually justifying this read.

the post you quoted said nothing about Frank so I'm not seeing why you'd talk about him. Slip much? Desully was town b/c I'm town and we both saw that BJ wasn't scum. And BJ was town b/c scum doesn't CC to get a BG lynched.

How about you quote my entire post instead of editing out the part that doesn't fit your argument? I'll help you out and even bold what you decided to leave out.

I don't think I really have anything to add other than desully is town for me now and BJ is conf town since I don't see scum ever counterclaiming like that...especially for a BG.

This is for me in case Nero flips scum.

Claiming Desully was town when his content in the thread at that point had consisted of hopping on the LQ wagon without justification

and saying Frank was scum because he posted a reads list with 5 people isolated on it... it makes no sense, and I can't see a town player actually justifying this read.

I pointed out that you had no motivation to townread Desully when you did, because he hadn't actually done anything of substance at this point. Misrep a little less please.

Mafia is Horror/Frank. Horror whining about me scumreading Frank makes p sense as scumbuddies and claiming SK to get out of a lynch today is optimal mafia play.

vote:Frank

This is rich, and an absolutely horrible play on your part if you're mafia. Unless anyone is actually counterclaiming serial killer, Frank's claim stands. The Serial Killer

has

to lynch mafia today and kill mafia tonight to have a chance at winning.

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Given that we're in lylo right now because the sole mafia death came at the hands of the serial killer, I'd say we had a lot of really bad town this game, Nero. And I'll take full blame for my part in that as well.

1) Just because you agree with someone doesn't mean that they're town.
2) If Desully was scum he could have been whiteknighting BJ.
3) Desully had done nothing all game. No sane townsperson would actually be able to justify a townread on him because of his D1 play. The only way you could townread him at that point would be if you knew that he was town because you knew the scum.

[horrordude0215]

The Serial Killer has to lynch mafia today and kill mafia tonight to have a chance at winning.

If Frank is a legit SK he has no shot at winning. If he happens to lynch mafia today and kill one at night then town will just lynch him tomorrow. As it stands his best bet is to shoot mafia tonight and hope for a 3 way tie.

If he's a SK (which he is at this point because no one is counterclaiming), then he still needs to lynch mafia today regardless. Lynching town means he loses.

SK needs to lynch mafia today to not lose.
Town needs to lynch mafia today to not lose.

Only

mafia would benefit from lynching the uncounterclaimed serial killer, because it would give them the autowin. Your vote on him is essentially a scumclaim.

[horrordude0215]

If he's the SK why would you wine about him being my scumread?

Because as town, my only goal today is lynching mafia. I don't give a shit about the serial killer right now.

[horrordude0215]

Town's wincon is that everyone who opposes Town is dead and there's at least one townie left alive.

To do this, I need the SK and Mafia both to be dead. Let me break it down for you if you're having a hard time understanding:

We're at 5P lylo.

1) If the SK is lynched today it's 2 town vs 2 mafia, with the nightkill it becomes 2 mafia vs 1 town - town loses.
2) If a townie is lynched today, we have a few possibilities depending on the nightkills. Note: I'm assuming the BP is legit at this point just because there are too many variables to consider that aren't related to my wincon if it's not.
- If Mafia shoots Town and SK shoots Mafia, it's 1 SK (with BP Shot) vs 1 Mafia. Logically I think SK takes the win here, but it may be a draw. Don't know, don't care.
- If Mafia shoots Town and SK shoots the same town, it's 1 SK (with BP shot) vs 1 Town vs 2 Mafia. No idea what happens with this - depends on wincons or how Drealmerz is feeling that day.
- If Mafia shoots SK and SK shoots Mafia, it's 1 SK (no more BP shot) vs 1 Town vs 1 Mafia. Kingmaker.
- If Mafia shoots SK and SK shoots Town, it's 1 SK (no more BP shot) vs 2 Mafia. Mafia Wins.
3) If Mafia is lynched today, we go to night with 1 SK vs 2 Town vs 1 Mafia.
- If Mafia shoots Town and SK shoots Mafia, it's 1 SK (with BP Shot) vs 1 Town. SK Wins.
- If Mafia shoots Town and SK shoots the same Town, it's 1 SK (With BP shot) vs 1 Town vs 1 Mafia. Again, I think SK takes the win because BP, but see above: Don't know, don't care. Town can't win.
- If Mafia shoots Town and SK shoots different Town, it's 1 SK (With BP shot) vs Mafia.
- If Mafia shoots SK and SK Shoots Mafia, it's 1 SK (with no BP Shot) vs 2 Town. Town wins yay.
- If Mafia shoots SK and SK Shoots Town, it's 1 SK (with no BP Shot) vs 1 town vs 1 Mafia. Kingmaker.

SK and Town both need a Mafia lynch today to have a chance to win (or maybe draw depending on how the SK goes). Let me restate this again... voting for the SK is a scumclaim right now.

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HE. IS. NOT. THE. SK.

The only reason why you should be making this statement is if you are actually the SK yourself and for whatever reason didn't CC it earlier.

[horrordude0215]

Nero, you have to be flailing scum here. We have absolutely no reason to believe that Frank isn't the SK, considering that every other player has posted and contributed to the game since his claim.

The optimal play for SK in this situation is to claim and team up with town to lynch mafia today, because it's the only way for them to potentially not lose the game. If the real SK has not counterclaimed right now and it turns out that Frank is scum with someone, then the SK deserves to lose anyways.

[horrordude0215]

Nero, you're not even coming close to making any sense.

[horrordude0215]

If Columbo/Jae are the SK and didn't immediately counterclaim knowing that was the optimal strategy for SK, then they deserve to lose.

Scum: Nero/Columbo by association
SK: Frank
Town: Myself/Jae by POE.

[horrordude0215]

Columbo won't bus her buddy in lylo, so it's going to be up to Jae to hammer.

[horrordude0215]

I'm going to get a better post out soon, but it's lylo... shouldn't we be massclaiming at this point?

How does mass claiming benefit town? (I assume you mean roles as well as alignment.)

I just figured lylo was about when people went massclaim territory. Like I said, it's been a while since I've been here and I don't know how site meta has changed lol

Columbo's 1335 doesn't feel genuine to me.

Jae has been online since last night when Nero was put at L-1. Columbo has posted in this thread. Scum quickhammer opportunities have been there if nero was town, but the fact that nero isn't dead means that he's almost guaranteed scum or that the scumteam is myself and Frank - the uncounterclaimed SK.

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Frank claimed SK back in post 1248. Jae has acknowledged reading that in post 1252.

You've implied that you and Columbo are town from your perspective. Myself and Frank are scumbuddies. That implies that Jae is the SK... despite her acknowledging the post where scum allegedly "fakeclaimed" SK. Knowing that the optimal play for SK today is to lynch mafia, this should have been seen as an obvious scumclaim followed by an immediate vote. The fact that hasn't happened means Jae isn't counterclaiming.

This game is solved. Nero is trying way too hard to complicate things.

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If town is lynched today the SK has a 0% chance of winning. If Jae is really the SK and doesn't counterclaim the obvious mafia from her point of view, she deserves to lose this game.

Of course all of this is totally moot anyways because you trying to paint the last town player as the SK is going to backfire against you pretty hard when Jae comes in, states "no wtf I'm not the SK" and hammers your ass.

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If he claims SK I'll unvote and take a further look at Frank to determine who is more likely to be mafia.

I don't see that happening.

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Frank is either SK or mafia at this point. He's claimed scum.

If Jae Counterclaims SK:

1) Jae legitimately is SK. This would logically mean that Frank is scum, and his partner would have to be either you and he's attempting the worst bus in the history of lylo, or he's scum with me, which is what you've been insinuating this entire time.
2) Jae is scum counterclaiming. If Jae is scum, her only logical partner would be you, because if it was Jae/Frank or Jae/Columbo, they would have hammered me right now and it would be GGA.

You are scum in 2/3 of the scenarios here.

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Neros arms must hurt from all this reaching

I mean I can't blame him He's caught scum and has to flail somehow.

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Okay I'm so confused now.

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I mean, unless Nero is the SK we're going to night.

But seriously, I'm fucking lost.

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In b4 it was Jae/Frank and Jae just never came in here to do the hammer.

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Fucking kingmaker for the second time in two weeks.

I was pretty far off with my Columbo read, sorry about that one... But I am town.

Give me a minute to see what the best option is for town here, but I'm 90% sure I'm fucked either way.

Frank, was your bp hit last night?

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Virtually every time I've played with BP you're told when you're hit.

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As town, my best option to try and win is to let night actions determine the game.

VOTE: No lynch

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Jae, if I was mafia I would have hammered you already.

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Sorry for jumping on you so heavily Day 3, Columbo. I was looking pretty heavily at associations with Nero and got my read from there.

I

almost

had the game figured out. I had thought that the reason there was only one kill Night 3 was because scum had tries to knock off Frank's BP Shot.

Sorry, town. I tried!

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2nd kingmaker game in a row pisses me off more than it should. I should probably get that as my title here.

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Flavor was great, drealm. I absolutely loved the scenes.

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The clown is town.

The clown is always town.

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I didn't get into this game as much as I should have until lylo when it was too late. I played optimum strategy as town and it just didn't pay off.