Dierfire's Mini Normal Review

[Dierfire]

I came across this post in one of the discussion threads:

I mean theoretically it SHOULD be townsided (if you presume that a townie gets left out early and the IC pair is town and eats a bullet, neither of which is certain [the first especially is a chance for town], then it's six pairs, three good three tainted, and presuming RNG lynches, you have 50% win odds for town, and town SHOULD exceed its RNG changes), but it hasn't actually turned out that way.

And I do maintain that the reason for this is that neighbors and neighborhoods are extremely powerful weapons for competent scum. Summer Waltz had pie get pocketed by her lover, New Years had scout and kagami get pocketed, and I'd guess the first game had at least one such outcome as well. Towns aren't good at solving in hoods, and scum are good at manipulating in hoods.

In 10v3 mini normal games, scum are UNDEFEATED as neighbors or neighborizers, a perfect 7-0 record:

Spoiler:

Game 1460: Normalville Mafia
Moderator: ac1983fan
Current Update: Mafia Win

Players
PeregrineV, Town Bodyguard, lynched Day 2
Darthe, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 1
Slandaar, Town Neighbor, died Night 4
Grimgroove, Town Neighbor, died Night 5
Ztife, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 3
Shamrock replaces Nachopappa who replaced thegooner, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 6
Baezu, Town Odd-Night Cop, died Night 3
Nachomamma8 replaces Kattaze, Vanilla Townie, died Night 1
ChannelDelibird replaces Red Dragon, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 4
StupendousMan replaces Miss Stranger who replaced BP, Mafia Neighbor, lynched Day 5
Lucky2u replaces chernobylcitybus, Vanilla Townie, endgamed
Elyse, Town Miller Jack of All Trades, died Night 2
SunnyDays replaces Future, Mafia Two-Shot Roleblocker, survives


Game 1463
Moderator: N
Current Update: Mafia Win

Players
yessiree, Town Gunsmith, died Night 4
Generic, Mafia Neighborizer, survives
Mutleyddmc replaces levio, Vanilla Townie, endgamed
Kid A, Vanilla Townie, died Night 5
DCLXVI, Town Bodyguard, died Night 1
Bub Bidderskins, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 2
Alabaska J, Town Even-Night Vigilante, died Night 3
NotThePope, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 1
TMTOLBTWNTOF, Vanilla Townie, died Night 2
Smudger, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 3
RadiantCowbells, Vanilla Townie, died Night 2
Alduskkel replaces absta101, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 6
Om of the Nom replaces Kingsrush, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 5


Mini 1511: Insurgency Emergency
Moderator: JacobSavage replaced Fegelein
Current Update: Mafia Win

Players
Elyse, Mafia Doctor, Survived
Albert B. Rampage, Vanilla Townie, Lynched Day 1
aphix, Mafia Goon, Survived
Titus replaced Ant_to_the_Max, Town Neighbour, Died Night 3
Skelda, Mafia Neighbour, Lynched Day 3
Kublai Khan, Vanilla Townie, Died Night 3
implosion, Two shot Vigilante, Died Night 4
Humble Poirot, Vanilla Townie, Lynched Day 4
Fusion, Town Jailkeeper, Died Night 1
EspeciallytheLies replaced AzBlueM, Vanilla Townie, Endgamed Night 4
evilpacman18, Town Gunsmith, Died Night 2
havingfitz, Vanilla Townie, Endgamed Night 4
RachMarie replaced gorkat, Vanilla Townie, Lynched Day 2


Mini 1666: The Reds
Moderator: pisskop
Current Update: Mafia Win

Players
dragonspawn, Town Tracker, lynched day 2
MonkeyMan576, Vanilla Townie, died night 1
Prolasped Brain replaced Zerediah, Mafia Roleblocker, lynched day 3
Riabi, One-Shot Bulletproof Townie, died night 4
Kitty Galore, Mafia Neighbor, survived
Titus replaced VictorDeAngelo, Town Cop, died night 3
RandomActs, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 4
TheSoldier, Town One-Shot Vigilante Neighbor, endgamed day 5
Lapsa, Vanilla Townie, endgamed day 5
Terrador, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 5
Drixx, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 1
Slandaar, Town Neighbor, died night 2
Shinobi replaced Keybladewielder, Mafia Godfather, survived


Mini 1685: BooneyToonz II - Looney Tunes
Moderator: Boonskiies
Current Update: Mafia Win

Players
Pegasus30 replaced DrDolittle, Town Innocent Child, endgamed day 5
Aneninen, Town Vengeful Neighbor, lynched day 2
BlueBloodedToffee, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 4
pisskop, Town Neighbor, killed day 2
massive, Mafia Neighbor, survived
Varsoon, Town Neighor, survived
Zebulin, Town Neighbor, lynched day 1
Salamence20, Mafia Goon, lynched day 3
RadiantCowbells, Vanilla Townie, endgamed day 5
Mainez, Town Jailkeeper, died night 3
T S O replaced Big Bad Bull, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 5
BBmolla, Town Neighbor, died night 4
evilpacman18, Mafia Encryptor, survived


Mini 1733: Jurassic Monkey
Moderator: Monkeyman576/Farside22
Current Update: Mafia Win

Playerlist
Scorpious, Town Commuter, lynched day 3
Wanderer-nl, Mafia Neighborizer, lynched day 5
The Archmage Ludicrous, Vanilla Townie, endgamed day 6
pistachi0n, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 6
All Alone, Vanilla Townie, died night 5
MarioManiac4, Vanilla Town, lynched day 2
ICEninja, Town Cop, died night 3
Garmr, Vanilla Town, died night 2
Syndesis, Town Innocent Child, died night 4
3dicerolling, Mafia Godfather, survived
Davsto, Mafia Goon, lynched day 1
Firebringer, Vanilla Town, died night 1
Alchemist21 replaced Diego1487, Town Universal Backup, lynched day 4

Mini Normal 1897
Alive (3)
Boonskiies, Mafia Goon, survives and wins.
Something_Smart, Mafia Goon, survives and wins.
horrordude0215 Jinzou, Mafia Neighborizer, survives and wins.

Eliminated (10)
Transcend, Town 1-shot Weak Friendly Neighbor, lynched Day 1
TwoFace, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 1
I Am Innocent, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 1
aronagrundy, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 2
Eddie Cane, Town 2-shot Vigilante, killed Night 2
hapahauli, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 2
eagerSnake, lmays1999 Town Watcher, lynched Day 3
ThinkBig, Vanilla Townie, endgamed Day 3
Darkshadow64540, Vanilla Townie, endgamed Day 3
rb, Vanilla Townie, endgamed Day 3

It's an aspect of balance that simply isn't fully accounted for in terms of overall site meta.

(peanut gallery can't shut up it seems :lol: )

PS as a side note, the ability for players to pick their partners is i think pro-scum, since scum can choose people that they think they can manipulate, and that's probably more reliable than town knowing who they can legitimately sort in a hood.

I had not been thinking of the Mafia Neighborizer as such a strong role. Should I adjust anything in light of that?

[Dierfire]

Yeah, I think that at this point I'm more comfortable without the Neighborizer.

[Dierfire]

1. Opening posts

Spoiler: First Post

Mini Normal ####
Moderator: Dierfire
Reviewed by: Empking, Faraday, and Firebringer

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Players

01. (Name)
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05. (Name)
06. (Name)
07. (Name)
08. (Name)
09. (Name)
10. (Name)
11. (Name)
12. (Name)
13. (Name)

Alive

(Names)

Dead

(Names)

Game Events

(Events)

Spoiler: Second Post

RULES

General

01. Site rules may be found here for reference. Note that playing to win condition is a requirement.
02. The rules are subject to change at my discretion to correct any errors or omissions. Should any changes be implemented, they will be announced in the same format as the original rule (for example, changes to the main set of rules will be announced in the main thread; changes to role-specific rules will be sent by PM).
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I will look for “@Mod”

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Posting

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Timing

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19. No player may perform more than one action during a single Night Phase.
20. At least one player will receive the following role:

Welcome, (player), to (game)!

Your role is Citizen, aligned with

Town

.

Abilities: You have no special abilities.

Victory: You win if all living players are aligned with Town.

2. Roles

3x Mafia Goon

1x Town Ascetic Jack of All Trades (Doctor, Cop, Vigilante)
1x Town Loud Role Cop
1x Town Weak Jailkeeper
7x Town Citizen

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome, (player), to (game)!

Your role is Goon, aligned with

Mafia

.

Abilities: You may converse at any time (Day Phase and Night Phase) with the other players aligned with Mafia in this PT (link). During each Night Phase, one living player aligned with Mafia may be assigned to kill one living player not aligned with Mafia. If the action is successful, the target will die.

Victory: You win if the number of living players aligned with Mafia is greater than or equal to the number of living players not aligned with Mafia, or if nothing can prevent this.

Welcome, (player), to (game)!

Your role is Ascetic Jack of All Trades, aligned with

Town

.

Abilities: Any actions that target you, except those that would kill you, will fail automatically.

In addition, during each Night Phase you may use one of the abilities listed below. You may use only one ability during each Night Phase, and you may use each ability only once during the game.

Cop

: You may send me the name of a single living player (you may not choose yourself). You will receive one of the following results:

You have learned that (target) is aligned with Town.

You have learned that (target) is not aligned with Town.

Your action was unsuccessful.

Doctor

: You may send me the name of a single living player (you may not choose yourself). If your action is successful, that player will be protected from death during that Night Phase. You will not be informed whether your action was successful. Neither you nor your target will be informed if a kill is prevented as a result of your action.

Vigilante

: You may send me the name of a single living player (you may not choose yourself). If your action is successful, that player will die.

Victory: You win if all living players are aligned with Town.

Welcome, (player), to (game)!

Your role is Loud Role Cop, aligned with

Town

.

Abilities: During each Night Phase, you may choose one living player to investigate. You may not choose yourself. You will receive one of the following results (note that the alignment of the role is not included in the result):

You have learned that (target) has the role (name of role).

You have learned that (target) has the role that is basic for that player's alignment.

Your action was unsuccessful.

In addition, if your action is successful, your target will receive the following notification:

You have learned that (name) visited you during the last Night Phase.

Victory: You win if all living players are aligned with Town.

Welcome, (player), to (game)!

Your role is Weak Jailkeeper, aligned with

Town

.

Abilities: During each Night Phase, you may send me the name of a single living player. You may not choose yourself. If your action is successful, that player will be unable to take any action during that Night Phase and will be protected from death during that Night Phase. In addition, if your action is successful and that player is not aligned with Town, you will die (the other effects of your action will still occur). You will not be informed whether your action was successful. Neither you nor your target will be informed if a kill is prevented as a result of your action.

Victory: You win if all living players are aligned with Town.

Welcome, (player), to (game)!

Your role is Citizen, aligned with

Town

.

Abilities: You have no special abilities.

Victory: You win if all living players are aligned with Town.

3. Moderator Information

Spoiler: Cop Results

You have learned that (target) is aligned with Town.

You have learned that (target) is not aligned with Town.

Your action was unsuccessful.

Spoiler: Role Cop Results

You have learned that (target) has the role Weak Jailkeeper.

You have learned that (target) has the role that is basic for that player's alignment.

Your action was unsuccessful.

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For the target:

You have learned that (Role Cop name) visited you during the last Night Phase.

Spoiler: Miscellaneous Notifications

Unfortunately, you have died. You may continue to discuss this game in the Dead PT (link), but otherwise may not post in this game (in any thread) until I have announced that the game is over.

More than 48 hours have passed since your last post. Please post in the main thread (link) within 24 hours to continue in the game.

Day (#) has begun. The main thread (link) is now open.

[Dierfire]

Summary of changes:

• Added reviewer names to opening post
  
• Removed Mafia Neighborizer
  
• Removed Role Cop result for Neighborizer and notification for target of Neighborizer from Moderator Information section

[Dierfire]

Oh, and I guess that actually there's no way for the Jack of All Trades to get "your action was unsuccessful" with the Cop action in this game (because the Ascetic modifier prevents the Jailkeeper from successfully targeting the Jack of All Trades), so I'll remove that from the potential Cop results in the Moderator Information section (not the Role PM itself).

[Dierfire]

Great, thanks all!

[Dierfire]

Mod PT

Also, I've just remembered that I was supposed to say here whether the Jack of All Trades flips with abilities shown. It will flip as Town Ascetic Jack of All Trades (Cop, Doctor, Vigilante).