Open 677: See Nayne Ples Ples [THE END]

[havingfitz]

Hello. 65 pages will take awhile. D1...fcuk...how many overposters does this game have ffs.

[havingfitz]

Reading is for squares

I've read up to this point.

[havingfitz]

68+ pages is too much to do my usual despised train of thought catchup so I'm going to try and keep this short...

Up to post 82...been getting a town feel from Lickety but the SK vibe post felt off. 2nd thought...nvm.
Not liking momo up to this point...wondering how new he is and if English is a second language for him.
lol...was about to vote momo here and then recalled my first pass through for votes he had claimed cop. So nvm that as well....
#143...what was the over under for RC ego bleating? I would have taken the under.
#180 - @LQ....Pers?
Ugh...LQ M&M exchange is painful....

10 pages read...slow going on phone. Should pick up when I get home on pc.

Current reads subject to change after ~60 more pages of reading are:

Town - Antihero and momo
Leaning town - M&M, LQ, Persivul, Kop
Null - KTS............??Sakura??...................\/Creature\/-ish
Suspects - E&O, LUV and Hawk

[havingfitz]

Not liking momo up to this point...wondering how new he is and if English is a second language for him.

D'oh...

i'm gonna go out on a limb and guess momo's native language is not english

i think that's part of the smoke around him

and my native language is English. Why??

oh... oops....

a couple mix up in idioms made me think that but phone autocorrect could've done that

[havingfitz]

Not seeing any trick vote shenanigans from Sakura. I didn't know it was a rule in this game either. Discussion is bleh....

Agreeing with 310...Creature might be town.

Agreeing with 381...good for Sakura.

Wow...up to page 20 and minimal comment ^^^

Earlier reads haven't changed significantly yet...aside from comments above on Creature and Sakura (reads getting more positive).

[havingfitz]

Suspects -

E&O

, LUV and Hawk

Before this ^^^ E&O mentions of Charloux or Fitz = 0.
After this ^^^^ E&O gives this \/\/\/.

The scumteam is in:
Hawk
Kop
LUV

Fitz

Starting read at pg 20 this morning. Hope to be caught up by noon est.

Not sure I like E&O wagon composition so I will finish catch-up before I vote.

[havingfitz]

I mean, Charloux was a nonentity and you're catching up still. That's literally a PoE read.
Notice that you aren't top of the list in any way.

- O

True. But my observation is still accurate. It's food for thought for now.

[havingfitz]

fitz feels like a better lynch than Kop.

Wtf?

[havingfitz]

From page 21...

#500... E&O defending the LUV wagon a bit.

#506... KTS just showed up to the game but no E&O suspicions on him...he just get a null

#510... not a fan of this Hawk post. To meta or not to meta...that is his question. (Boo to 513 as well.)

#560... not a fan of this LUV post.

#615... LQ confident in his E&O townread.

#642... some more RC on RC lovin...

#765... some more RC on RC lovin...

#932... LQ voting M&M (who is voting LQ ) for not liking his case on Hawk. Which is amusing since LQ was voting Hawk before and after M&M was during M&M's last stint on the Hawk wagon. And M&M left the Hawk wagon for momo...whom LQ was voting before and since. ugh....


OK...I'm up to about page 38 and I don't want to read anym more....nothing in the last 30 pages has significantly changed my reads from the first 10 pages. If not for his claim I would probably think momo was scum so that's off the table. I will say my LQ read is a little less strong than it was at the start....but I still lean town on him and wouldn't want to see him voted today. Same comment could be made for M&M.

My top three suspects are the same...E&O, LUV and Hawk. But I think I would rather see LUV or Hawk lynched over E&O since they are both on his wagon...which gives me slight pause wrt E&O. I would not oppose either Hawk or E&O but the LUV wagon sounds more appealing....giggity.

There is still several days left in D1 so barring a lynch in the next few days I will probably still go back and peruse the last 40 pages (uuuuuuuuugh)...just not in one sitting.

VOTE: LUV call it POE enhanced gut.

[havingfitz]

Okay, you all suck at wagoning.

Says the guy on a wagon all alone.

First, find a player that's flying under the radar.

Says the guy who doesn't know activity isn't a good alignment indicator.

Second, vote them.

VOTE: Kop

Says the guy ignoring the two largest wagons.

---

I have limited game experience with Kop but he has done this in all my games with him. I.e. not post enough.

Kop

just needs to replace out and stop playing mafia until he decides he actually has time to contribute.

On that note....

v/LA until Monday mod!

[havingfitz]

Says the guy on a wagon all alone.

Correction: ...the guy who wants to lynch scum

So you think KTS is scum (ex. "you want to lynch scum") but you move to the wagon on the guy with 5 posts.

Says the guy who doesn't know activity isn't a good alignment indicator.

Correction: ...the guy who doesn't ignore someone just because their inactivity is NAI

So you say inactivity is NAI but you move to the guy with 5 posts. Other than activity (cause he isn't active anywhere)...why is Kop scum?

Says the guy ignoring the two largest wagons.

Correction: ...the guy who thinks the two largest wagons aren't on scum

VOTE: Electra and Oreos

VOTE: Electra and Orestes

VOTE: LUV

[havingfitz]

Kop (2): Antihero, Creature

Anti. wth are you doing? I don't even see a case on Kop. Why is hanging out on a lame wagon better?

^ QFT

VOTE: Kop

VOTE: Kop

VOTE: Kop

VOTE: Kop

Would prefer E and O or LUV but have no problem with this.

You guys have over 80 pages of content and you're opting to lynch an underposter. smh....lazy and weak.

The IC said so.

When you say things like this, it's no wonder how you drew a wagon onto yourself.

Considering he's L-1 yeah...

I'll humour it tho I guess.

Intent to Hammer. Kop claim?

I'd vote Hawk for this post alone.

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Kop

You're extremely annoying. All your repeat votes. A mod's best friend to be sure.

[havingfitz]

Fitz what the fuck is that?

Could you be more vague?

[havingfitz]

and their play is amazingly terrible

Uh? Just you says that.

I agree with KTS. I'd vote Creature.

RL in the way today....still out and about now. I'll try to content tomorrow latest.

[havingfitz]

Am I supposed to not townread all of the top three posters?

I have the top 6 posters as town

(maybe M&M not so much rn).

[havingfitz]

Hammer should count.
Despite how bad that lynch was. 87 pages and the best you lot can do is lynch a lurker who is pretty much awol in all his games.

[havingfitz]

like who the fuck doesnt believe a 1 shot cop claim on ANTITOWN. it's a 1v1 tradeoff that isnt beneficial for scum in this regard at all. theres literally no way im lying unless im suicide bombing and that wouldnt help my mafia at all (because theres no way im an sk fakeclaiming)

Are you a 1 shot cop KTS? Because if you are then the 1v1 is between you and momo. And I'd like to not believe momo's claim a lot more than I would like to not believe yours.

[havingfitz]

Yeah, Hawk's claim is obviously false unless both 1-shot cop claimers are lying.

VOTE: Hawk

Um....not endorsing the veracity of any of the claims or town alignments but Hawk's claim would not obviously be false if KTS was lying. smh...

[havingfitz]

About to head out for a few hours. After KTS answers my question in 2334 I'll most likely vote Hawk.

[havingfitz]

Oh apparently we already claimed nevermind then. LUV/Sakura for scum.

-- Mail

Why? What about momo and Hawk?

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Momo

[havingfitz]

Town - Antihero and momo
Leaning town - M&M, LQ, Persivul, Kop
Null - KTS............??Sakura??...................\/Creature\/-ish
Suspects - E&O, LUV and Hawk

Suspected momo but he got the town nod for his claim.
Got Hawk right.
Missed on ETL.
Other town reads good.
I'll stick with my original suspects.

VOTE: E&O

[havingfitz]

v/LA until Monday

[havingfitz]

Why is havingfitz clear?

Better yet...what reasons do you have to suspect me?

[havingfitz]

We have one mislynch to spare. Hopefully we don't need it.

Creature push on me is annoying as he always votes me and has only mislynched me to date. And he has no games with scum!me and has no clue wrt my "scum meta". How's my SK meta look to you?
25 posts is way too few but it's not out of 2400+....it's out of the last 800.
Don't like Creature saying "if" he is town.
I hate SK hunting.
I'd consider Creature if my top two sr weren't voting him.
LUV has been all over the place today which just amplifies my suspicion of that slot.
VOTE: LUV

[havingfitz]

There is no reason for me to have put myself out there as SK. I would've probably posted some bullshit case on you or E&O by now if I was.

You've basically expressed suspicion/willingness to vote everyone D4 but the IC. Have you provided a bullshit or not bullshit case on anyone today?

[havingfitz]

I would've probably posted some bullshit case on you or E&O by now if I was.

because it isn't something I do

If it's not something you do how can you justify using the absence of one in your defense?

[havingfitz]

If you don't do cases why use the absence of a case to defend yourself?

You saying you only do cases when you aren't town?

[havingfitz]

havingfitz, I have seen your Open 658 play.

Don't pretend I didn't.

I stand corrected. But your read on me is still wrong.

[havingfitz]

Sakura and Creature....what's up?

[havingfitz]

it's just fitz

It's not Fitz. I'm VT.

So I don't recall if Creature had claimed cop or anything and went looking to see if he gave any clears after his last night in the game. I noted comments by him indicating he was leaning town on both Sakura and E&O and wanted me lynched most of the day. He obviously didn't have any kind of result on me or he could have just stated so. So he's going off his opinion which is usually crap. Especially in this game as I am VT and he was town reading the tbd SK.

If I had to lean one way or the other between E&O and Sakura I would lean towards E&O due to game long suspicions towards that slot.

But I'm in no rush.

Also...no lynch suggestion made no sense. 1) no way SK would kill anyone other that Anti and 2) that would put town in a quicklynch situation where one tvt vote would give the SK a chance to end it. At least with 4...all three town need to be in agreement. I.e. recommending it was only beneficial to the SK.

I'm also mid weekend

v/LA until tomorrow

.

[havingfitz]

is anyone else?

I do not recall seeing any claim by Creature and I usually make note of that sort of thing.

[havingfitz]

So...Does anyone have any positive experience finding SKS?

I don't recall any luck finding them but I know I've lost to them three times and never won as one (0-2).

[havingfitz]

So is that a no from you Anti?

[havingfitz]

is that really what you're going to badger me about?

Badgering? Seriouly? It's a pretty simple question. Not sure why you couldn't just respond to it.

[havingfitz]

I can't answer for everyone hence the question. If you or anyone else had had luck hunting SKs the question would be good

I'm just off v/LA this morning and RL is going to be an issue the next few days as I will be getting ready for travelling and then traveling. I'll look both E&O and Sakura over when I can.

Feel free to do the same and not wait for me.

[havingfitz]

I'll look both E&O and Sakura over when I can.

Done with Sakura read through. Will post thoughts after I finish reading E&O. Probably tomorrow soonest.

[havingfitz]

I'll be starting my E&O read this morning.

In the meantime....where is everyone? Feel free to do some analysis too (Anti and other townie).

[havingfitz]

Didn't get to this. Boarding plane for Vegas in 10 minutes. Will work asap. Hopefully by tomorrow am.

[havingfitz]

9 days remaining

So we have time. I haven't read anything since Tuesday. I'm on vacation until next Tuesday so finding time to post might be a bit difficult. Will try to post as much as I can. I did my read though on Sakura Monday and have those notes ready to post but I want to read E&O and then post both. This is game my priority and I'll post asap...sorry I keep saying that.

[havingfitz]

i hope no one's waiting on me

i have nothing to prove. you 3 do.

You could do some analysis independent of what we provide. Just being in wait and receive mode seems pretty lazy.

[havingfitz]

I'm town. I need to look at Sakura and E&O to see if I can ascertain who is most likely to be scum. Whoever the other tbd townie is should be doing the same thing.
And you...as confirmed town should be no different than the 2 tbd townies. Only difference being you have three players to assess.
Which it sounds like you don't want to do.
It seems like you are adopting a sit back and let people bestow cases upon you. Being confirmed shouldn't give you a pass on doing the same shit the tbd townies need to do.
IMO.

And as an fyi...I'm in the middle of a boy's weekend with several friends that is consumed with drinking...eating and sporting events. So my mafia time is extremely limited. Sorry to say.

[havingfitz]

Seeking replacement for havingfitz.

Sorry...Ive been out of town. I should have officially announced v/LA. I'm back now and will post if replace hasn't happened yet.

Mod?

[havingfitz]

Replace haven't happen. No takers.

2 days and 16 hours left

Please consider me back then. Thanks.

[havingfitz]

Spoiler: Sakura ISO (up through last Monday (Mar 27) and her post 2562:

Day 1

86...comments on

LQ

's SK feeling towards

Uzi

.

93...Sakura mentions her an "alt" here...(aka her meta?). She is saying here that her alt wants to be liked by everyone.

220...Seems to vote

M&M

based on meta experience with RC regarding him getting mislynched a lot and not making BS defenses.

Only keeps her

M&M

vote ~half a page.

246...

M&M

kind of calls Sakura out for suspecting them and Sakura gives a rather lengthy explanation/excuse

361...gives townread on

Anti

. I think scum would know

Anti

was off limits to vote during the day. So a
towncred fauxpaus by Sakura?

375...pumps up

Anti

's scumhunting skills (?).

387...thinks E&O is town (based on Are meta read).

Seems to be a little wary of

LQ

around this point in the game. Not voting anyone at the moment and never does vote

LQ

.

643...likes

momo

's sig. Buddies.

837...skimming...

843...questioning people's scumreads on

M&M

(RC).

854...LAMIST?

875...feels like

M&M

vs

LQ

is TvT. Sheeps

Hawk

onto

momo

.

898...SK mention in post to

M&M

.

903...game setup chat wrt SKs in discussion with

M&M

.

1042 thru 1053 of ISO is very helpful LAMIST type posting.

1105...TRs are

M&M

, E&O and

Hawk

. Scumlean is

momo

.

1226...first of a few game setup/spec posts.

Followed by a tr on

Creature

.

1502...unvotes the person she has been giving the most shade to (

momo

).

The

momo

unvote is followed by a few setup spec posts (in her ISO).

2030...puts Kop at L-3 despite only mentioning him once....about a 800 posts earlier..

2178...some twilight game/hammer spec.

Day 2

2285...discussion on people massclaiming. Says something about having to go get her letter thingamajig (role PM).

Not sure why that would be necessary for a VT.

Day 3

Day 4

2419...after some game spec mentions she has literally no idea who can be SK.

2493...responds to

Creature

questioning her about her SK hunting and Sakura says she will tomorrow (i.e. Day 5).

So a fairly uneventful ISO.

154 total posts (as of 2562). In comparison of
others in the game since the start...

Creature

= 325

Anti

= 195
E&O=152

So very similar post totals to the other sk candidate (fmpov).

Doesn't really stir things up too much. Maybe a little bit with

momo

who she votes for a bit D2. Hops off similar sized

LUV

wagon to vote

Kop

...whom she had only mentioned once in the game. Also avoided the similarly sized E&O. Both of the

LUV

and E&O wagons belong to fairly active players (i.e. room to ruffle feathers with suspicions towards them) and she opts for the lurker wagon. No muss no fuss.

Never mentions my name once.

Spoiler: On to E&O

Day 1

45...get's into it a little with

momo

about policy lynching hydras.

63...vote

momo

in agreement with suspicions voiced by

LQ

.

83...calls out

LQ

for suspected SK hunting. Is that a bad thing? Later says they were "just playin"...this feels like an attempt to lighten the mood after stirring

LQ

up a bit.

Then follows the "just playing" post with three or four additional posts discussing the topic of SKs.

103...pressuring

momo

. Not SK AI as SK is looking to find scum just like town.

107...calling out

Hawk

a bit for not making sense.

359...lays a vote down on

Creature

.

372...a little

Anti

buddying. And in the next post...as well.

495...E&O really pressing

momo

here. I think this is a good post in defense of E&O not being the SK. I think the SK wants to find scum but as gently as possible. With the fewest votes or criticisms of others as possible. I.e. not giving other players a lot of shit to be annoyed at them about.

571...following up on their posts/questions.

581...not interested in a Sakura wagon. This could be a reason E&O is still in the game if Sakura is the SK.

990...votes

momo

again.

1029...gives an SK on

LUV

. Not sure how much SK hunting an SK would do. WIFOM.

1598...work work work...putting in effort on the people they suspect. If E&O are the SK they are a hard working one.

1614...votes

LUV

. Mixing it up with people.

1782...E&O is at L-2 here if I am correct. Not a lot of anxiety....just giving their reads of others.

momo

and

Creature

are off their shit lists in place of

Hawk

,

Kop

,

LUV

and me. This post feels townish.

1790...thinks I could be scum. How convenient that E&O is still in the game. (aka I'm town)

1815...gives reads post with a little reasoning for each read.

Thinking about this while I ISO E&O. I'm not sure why they would want to keep me alive in this game over saaaaay

Creature

.

Creature

iirc was suspect towards me...whereas I had expressed suspicions towards E&O for much of my time in the game.

Day 2

2205...I hate these kinds of posts. More scummy than SKish IMO so not sure it's of any worth towards E&O being an SK.

2344...scumreading (and voting) KTS. Says could be SK also.

Day 3

2437...comes in an lays a confident vote on

LUV

for the win. Note...I start this day off voting E&O. Not something I would want to do against someone I would plan on bringing to MYLO and not something I would expect E&O would want as SK in a player they bring to MYLO.

Lays the hammer to

LUV

.

Day 4

2537...starts MYLO off with a No Lynch vote. I think a No Lynch is only beneficial to the SK. With 4 players left we need a consensus against one player. If a NL happens we most likely lose

Anti

and just make a LYLO mislynch easier for the SK to obtain. The odds aren't any different finding the SK (33%)...but the quicklynch would be in play.

There is some in-thread banter between Hydra heads discussing NL pros and cons...mostly cons.

This gets me caught up to where I had ISO'd Sakura. I'm stopping with E&O here (2552) as I read the rest of the game post-v/LA.

Summary of both reads -

I thought the E&O ISO was much stronger than Sakura's. It's been over a week since I read the Sakura ISO but from what I recall of it..she didn't stir a lot trouble with other people. In my recollection she seems like someone interested in getting along...being helpful and not offending others. Most of her votes came on pre-established wagons whereas E&O started a few wagons. There was the late entrance to the game as well from Sakura. She just kind of chilled in the background while E&O was working hard. And while I expressed suspicions towards E&O at various points in the game...that was when looking for scum. Until I ISO'd them both from the perspective of looking for the SK and how and SK might look different than mafia...I hadn't really given Sakura much thought.

So where my ISO's leave me at is that I think Sakura is the SK.

Discuss.

[havingfitz]

I feel like Fitz is the SK here but Sakura is showing red flags and it's scaring me. ;~;
-Electra (Ali)

Well I'm town so if you are too you should be scared. I agree on the posturing bit. Woe is me....what should I do.

[havingfitz]

i fear fitz is just gonna scumread you instead and then im the one that's gonna have to decide.

LAMIST.

[havingfitz]

And the worst of it all is that you cant pretend to scumread me to make me read you, because it will obviously be fake and it wont help me.

So you're saying it's impossible for town to suspect you?
FYI...i'm town and suspect you.

[havingfitz]

Sakura...you seem a bit testy.
Are you voting me because you don't like the heat or are there actual reasons? You said you can't sk hunt so I'm assuming it's not the latter.

You've eased through this entire game not ruffling any feathers. Which is a good way to stay under the radar but my gut tells me it's you.

Post count doesn't mean anything...I was just curious how you all compared. It's basically equal so a wash. And my weekend v/las combined with my week long vacation and replacing in late D1 (iirc) would give me a low post count. NAI.

E&O did have my suspicions when I first joined the game but after doing the ISOs and looking at you both from a different perspective (i.e. who's trying to survive and not piss anyone off)...that points to you. If E&O are the sk I would have to give them credit for playing hard and not giving any care to getting on people's wrong side.

I don't need to convince you you're the sk. Just E&O and Anti. And your basically omgus reaction to me does you no favors imo. Hopefully E&O and Anti see that.

tl,dr: I'm 100% not the sk. And my gut tells me friendly Sakura is.

[havingfitz]

Anti and other townie.

My ISO comments are as much a case as they are my thoughts on a players post as I read through their ISO. Exactly as I do when I catch up in a game. Liked or disliked...it's how I do it.

Guilt for me is assigned based on the cumulative of my thoughts going through my catch ups/ISOs.

i.e. you can pick apart any specific comments you want but they rarely stand on their own imo. The bulk of Sakura and E&Os posts are what matters to me.

I'm around most of the next 6 hrs if you want to discuss anything.

P.edit...iirc they looked scummy to me following my initial catch up. And they did look scummy to me...but now that we're looking for the sk....scummy isn't what I'm looking for.

[havingfitz]

So.....t'sup?

[havingfitz]

Points...running commentary...call them what you want. It's what I do so you can see what's getting my attention. Good or bad.

I don't recall any associatives with E&O other than having doubts about their guilt due to suspicions towards his wagon.

[havingfitz]

Question for you Anti.
You and Creature have both cast suspicions towards me in this game. Why would I nk Creature over a confirmed town?

I wouldn't. I know it will get dismissed as wifom but no way would I put myself in a 1 in 3 chance over a 1 in 4.

[havingfitz]

You and Creature have both cast suspicions towards me in this game.

i did...?

this is news to me

Think these posts were what had me thinking you were sr'ing me:
2184
2217
2392

[havingfitz]

~24 hrs left.

VOTE: Sakura

[havingfitz]

You guy will have the same decision tomorrow as well. Only reason to wait is if you and Anti disagree.

[havingfitz]

What are your thoughts Anti?

[havingfitz]

aaaaand you're misrepresenting me again.
I am not looking at what you did in the past, im looking at the BS you're pulling right now.

Where am I misrepresenting you? I only ask if you have reasons to vote me other than omgus.

Throwing out a nice word like misrep when it doesn't even apply is false shading.

And where did I misrep you earlier?

[havingfitz]

Fitz it's mostly that I'm unsure about things right now and I rather talk to Ari before I feel confident in placing a vote. If that makes sense.
-Electra (Ali)

Well...I don't see Anti surviving another night and Sakura and I will most likely be cross voting. I guess if you need more time. Either way this game's going on the back burner for me.

[havingfitz]

Vote Sakura. I'm not a good liar. One of my in person faults (or plusses) is that I'm very transparent and straightforward.

I know this isn't in person but I'm telling you....I'm not the sk. If I am feeling free to never take me at my word again.

I could be wrong on E&O but I've stated my reasons for preferring Sakura.

I assume you would like a role in getting the winning lynch Anti. What is your current thinking? Me? One of the others?

@E&O...where are you guys at atm read wise? No lean one way or the other? Split vote?

P.edit....why me Anti? I'm telling you I'm town. No sk here.

[havingfitz]

You and Creature have both cast suspicions towards me in this game.

i did...?

this is news to me

Think these posts were what had me thinking you were sr'ing me:
2184
2217
2392

And apparently those suspicions I sensed still exist...

my ranking is fitz > sakura > e+o

[havingfitz]

he also doesn't like your push

I have to push someone. What in my Sakura logic is disliked?

I will say the fact Anti is not sk-reading you makes me feel a bit better about my read on you

P.edit...if you had been the nk Anti we'd have 4 unconfirmed players. That's 1 in 4 by my math. You in the game just makes things tighter for the sk.

[havingfitz]

you're pushing the mylo case in kind of a scummy way

How is my Sakura push scummy? I suspect her and am trying to get her lynched...hopefully for the win.

[havingfitz]

there
was
another
confirmed
pr
from
the
setup

I don't recall this being brought to light. I believe you but idr. Was it confirmed before last night to be Creature? If not my point would still be correct. Either way....it was the mindset I was operating under until the post I'm quoting.

[havingfitz]

somebody at a comp: plz link to the wiki page for this setup and walk through the letters

I believe you. And I recall someone saying the set up was a certain string of letters. I just don't recall the determination being made that it indicated a pr still remained in the game. And unless it was confirmed to be Creature...why he'd get nkd over you. Regardless....its where I had the gamestate.

[havingfitz]

Ok....looks like we're heading for LYLO. Just in time for the weekend v/LA.

[havingfitz]

Unbelievable. Lol....

That the IC has lived to LYLO. Glad my sk read on Sakura was right. I was worried E&O was slow playing waiting for Anti to vote someone.

I'm town Anti. Not sk. Good luck making the right pick. Ask whatever you need to.

VOTE: Sakura

[havingfitz]

You can win the game right now with a Sakura vote.

She's been your friend throughout the game iirc.
Hasn't ruffled any feathers.
She's done what she's needed to to get to this point.

Did I mention I was town. Seriously.

[havingfitz]

Additional thoughts on this game as we wait for Anti to decide...any questions of course are directed at Anti.

Who stood the best chance of winning with you still in the game?
- I would argue that Sakura does based on your previous comments.

Who stood the best chance of getting voted if E&O was still in the game?
- IDK. But I do believe I'd have had more of a fighting change with E&O in the game than you (Anti).

Iirc E&O was at least open to the thought of me not being the SK. Why would sk!me introduce a bunch of unnecessary wifom into the game by voting out someone willing to consider me as town when it would have been perfectly acceptable to kill the IC? The confirmed town. Especially in my case where you had expressed more suspicion towards me than E&O (or Sakura for that matter).

With you dead...hypothetical sk!me could have pleaded to E&O and Sakura that the IC's kill had nothing to do with who they suspected or not..but rather was just to eliminate the confirmed alignment. Leaving remaining town in a 50/50 situation instead of putting the entire game in the hands of the player who suspected me most of the remaining players.

I'm not a complex player. I do not have the time or energy to get creative when I am not town (or when I am town for that matter). I'm a firm believer in the K.I.S.S. principle. in other words...there is no way in bleep I would have reduced my odds of winning by keeping the IC in LYLO. I know that can be argued as just being wifom but IMO...it's unnecessary wifom. And you suspect me on top of that!

tl:dr, I'm town.

Vote Sakura for the win.

She is the SK. Not I.

[havingfitz]

I love how Fitz brings "Anti suspects me" as his argument when that argument applies to me as well, otherwise he'd have voted Fitz yesterday >.> but he was pretty undecided.

Hi SKura....other than my qupte below...show me where you were scum read to any extent by Anti. Fact is...he was scum reading me more than you yesterday.

You and Creature have both cast suspicions towards me in this game.

i did...?

this is news to me

Think these posts were what had me thinking you were sr'ing me:
2184
2217
2392

And apparently those suspicions I sensed still exist...

my ranking is fitz > sakura > e+o

[havingfitz]

Yeah...not too damning. "Maybe." "Plausible." Ouch

And yet 2680 ...

[havingfitz]

And yet you still brought him to LyLo.
I dont get how the fuck am I supposed to respond to that? You kill E&O instead of Anti and now are arguing that you wouldnt do it because his supsicions on you were "stronger".

No...I didn't bring anyone to LYLO.

You brought Anti because you were buddying up to him the entire game...because E&O was willing to consider you...and because Anti has expressed more suspicions towards me than towards you.

[havingfitz]

Are you saying the nk shouldn't be considered?

Not sure what buzzwords you're referring to but if the buzzword fits...so be it.

And I did fail yesterday because you're still alive. But I was right, and today is what counts. Hopefully Anti makes you pay for bringing him to LYLO and votes you for the town win.

P.edit...saying I'm town is not buddying. It's stating fact.

I'm town. Vote Sakura Anti...she's the sk.

[havingfitz]

Oh dear apparently

i only said "buddying" which is something i actually didn't do

, i did also say you were repeating "I'm town" over and over to drill it into anti's head.

See post 375 and 378. Buddy buddy. That took about 60 seconds to find.

[havingfitz]

i did also say you were repeating "I'm town" over and over to drill it into anti's head.

What's your point? I acknowledge this. I'm town. You're the sk. Easy peasy.

[havingfitz]

1...I don't know your history with Sakura. Still felt like she was buttering you up.
2...if the kitchen sink would help me convince you I'm town and Sakuras the SK...I'd throw it.

I'm around the next few hours if you wanna discuss.

[havingfitz]

Check out D5 of this game Anti. It's a game where I was 1v1 against scum in LYLO trying to get the win....which I did. It's a bit old but it's essentially the same situation and my play is very similar.

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=13663&start=925

[havingfitz]

Oh boy self meta.

Look....SK uses buzzwords too! Lol....

[havingfitz]

Oh boy self meta.

Look....the SK uses buzzwords too! Lol....

[havingfitz]

Doh....poor signal double posting. Pardon.

[havingfitz]

Anti...any questions to me?

[havingfitz]

Clearly the only person in the world who is capable of reading me is pie.

Not so...I correctly read you as SK yesterday

also my mind changes with the breeze. i'm back to fitz

Next time it changes back towards Sakura vote her. She's the SK and I'm town.

Seriously Anti...I focking town. If there is anything I can do to help you make up your mind let me know. And that game might be an old one but it's the closest thing I have to the situation I'm in here and I think I act very similarly.

Honestly....Sakura is the SK. I'm town.

[havingfitz]

That's some weak shade there SKura. I don't think asking if Anti has questions for me constitutes buddying.

Not compared to saaaay applauding his scum hunting skills or letting him know how fun it is to be playing with him buddybuddy

So Anti...the fact this day has gone as long as it has shows you are still on the fence and trying to sort SKura and I out. In a non buddying fashion...i would reiterate my offer to answer any questions you may have towards me.

I don't recall SKura making that same offer because I doubt she wants you sorting her out.

Also...I'm town and she's the SK.

[havingfitz]

i got one

explain to me, in your own words, the setup

The set up of this game? Like how it's constructed?

[havingfitz]

yes

It's a C9++ setup where the roles in the game are determined by random numbers that are associated with different roles. I'm not sure what the mod used to get his numbers snd I don't know what the final role key was (without looking) but we wound up with 1 town pr (KTS) plus the IC and 1 scum pr (momo) and the SK (Sakura).

I've played in a few C9 games but don't recall if or how many had SKs. Seems like a pretty weak town and scumteam.

[havingfitz]

Forgot Creature was a pr Little better for town.

[havingfitz]

Anti...I gave you the set up based on memory. It seemed like a stupid question and me reading what the mod wrote or going to the wiki wouldn't have provided an answer any different from anyone else. So I gave you off the top of my head. As for my activity level...that comes with confidence. The fewer in the game the lower odds of being wrong. Knowing 100% who the SK is breeds confidence.

I think you're over thinking shit. You need to go with your gut and make a choice. You've suspected me a large portion of the game and as an IC there's no way I'd have brought you to LYLO over another unknown. It's focking Sakura. I'm not lying.

You obviously have some degree of suspicion towards her or you'd have voted. Your suspicion of her is right. Vote her so town can win. Make her pay for having the faith that bringing the IC to lylo was the best move, aka a massive lack of respect in your game.

[havingfitz]

the thing about sakura is that you really don't make any wrong points about her.

I would agree. With the main point being that she's the SK. I'm not wrong about that either.

[havingfitz]

I'm fucking done with mafia.
Why the fuck when im scum and do the same ppl lynch me for using self meta, but when im town, SK gets away with it.

Clearly this isn't the game i should be playing.

Anti just finish it i dont wanna replace out of a game at LyLo.

Looking for SK's case on me since she doesn't like mine on her. Couldn't really find it. What was your case on me again SK?

I did come across the lovely AtE above. Lol.....

[havingfitz]

All i know is that fitz shot creature

Actially...you know this isn't true at all.

[havingfitz]

361...gives townread on Anti. I think scum would know Anti was off limits to vote during the day. So a towncred fauxpaus by Sakura?

Uh... what
Is there some sort of unwritten rule that every player must remember everything in a game or something.

Not at all. People forget shit. But that early in your game I would expect you to remember there is a confirmed town. An IC. Someone you have what appears to be a history with from what I can gather in this game. You can read him so well after all. Yes...you should know Anti is IC.

643...likes momo's sig. Buddies.

Uh what is that even supposed to mean.
I think you're either reading too much into things or making a mountain out of a molehill for whatever agenda you may or may not have, so far im not liking this.

Like, assuming im "buddying" momo, how the hell is me liking a signature supposed to achieve that?

Your goal is to not get lynched. A complement here and there can't hurt that.

875...feels like M&M vs LQ is TvT. Sheeps Hawk onto momo.

Oh look apparently im not buddying, do you even read what you're writing, are you REALLY trying to analyze what im doing or are you just trying to throw a bunch of buzzwords into my ISO to make it look scummier.
I'm done reading this
VOTE: Fitz

Did you know buzzword was a buzzword. And a buzzword that has substance is not a bad thing. You voted momo because you liked Hawk's reasoning. IMO that's sheeping. And my buddies comments still stands. You were paying momo a complement. You can pay someone a complement to get on their good side and still lay a vote down on them at a later point.

[havingfitz]

Here's your misreps Fitz:

And the worst of it all is that

you cant pretend to scumread me to make me read you, because it will obviously be fake and it wont help me.

So you're saying

it's impossible for town to suspect you?

FYI...i'm town and suspect you.

1) I said i need someone to scumread me for whatever reason to read them, E&O didnt do that coz they were townreading me and

if town, then they scumreading me would be fake, and if scum, then they scumreading me would also be fake, so it wouldnt help me read them.

Are you voting me because you don't like the heat or are there actual reasons? You said you can't skhunt so I'm assuming it's not the latter.

2) I specified my reasons for scumreading you, yet you're dismissing them coz i said "i dont know how to SK hunt" but at this point, your case that you posted today where it was a lot of BS, misreps and adding buzzwords to make it look scummy.

1) You are basically saying that anyone who makes a case on you is making a fake case..whether they are town or scum. So how is my question a misrep?

2) I'm asking you a question? How is a question a misrep? Answer the question....don't just dismiss it as a misrep????

This entire post accusing me of two misreps against you is absurd. You do not have a case on me so you are just throwing crap towards me hoping Anti buys some of it. You are guilty yourself of accusing me of using "buzzword" with your unsubstantiated accusations or weak shading. And a buzzword (ex OMGUS, buddying, sheeping, etc) is not a bad thing if it's substantiated. It's when they are just thrown out on their own with not backing that they are bad. Kinda of like what I show you doing in this post.

Anti...I feel for you. The outcome of this game lies in your hands. I hope you make the right decision and vote SKura.

I would suggest you ISO D4 and D5 of both of us together and see what content and effort we have both provided. I know the horse is dead but I'm town and she is scum.

Vote Sakura for the town win.

[havingfitz]

Although it's not that i want to rush you or anything, but i'm already having low time for mafia and

it'll be even less in this weekend and the upcoming week due to spending time with family and having a new job

, i dont even care if SK wins at this point

if you're having such a hard time realizing im town then they've earned it

, i just want this game to be over with, but it's hard knowing 100% sure that fitz is SK finding a way to show it without sounding confbiased, I already showed yesterday how his case was full of buzzwords, and if that's not enough then i don't know what else can i do, just please, end it already.

AtE

(Buzzword alert). Woe is Sakura....she's so tired of this game and just wants it over. She sounds soooo town here. She's not.

[havingfitz]

he's just playing dumb to his convenience,

Nice ad homing. Buzz buzz.

[havingfitz]

Oh and do i say that apparently having a life is AtE now?

Uhhh...who ever admits to AtE? You're lamenting an impending/current lack of time. Using it as motivation for Anti to act.

To paraphrase you --- "

Woe....is.....me....I
....have....a....life.....! Please act soon! I can't take it anymore!

"

Lol......

[havingfitz]

So being an emotional player = AtE now.
Well it's not the first time someone has ever called my posts AtE but this reeks. Specially because of taking advantage of me having a real life inpediment to call it AtE.

Unless you are getting replaced or repeatedly prodded your RL situation shouldn't play a factor in mafia. We all have games and lives and for you to use yours as supporting background for your whinging to Anti is AtE.

This quote of yours is just another example of you grasping at the flimsiest points...lowest effort activities you can come up with to sway Anti to vote me.

I've already torn down your misrep and buzzword accusations towards me. Surely you can do better since if you weren't the SK yourself...which you are...you'd be able to produce observations that actually had substance. But you aren't able to because you are in fact the SK and anything suspect you produce towards me HAS to come from deceptive origins.

@Anti...

Vote Sakura

[havingfitz]

And Anti....I realize me repeatedly saying I'm town and Sakura is the Sk...so vote Sakura is a bit much. But it's the truth. Beginning this day with Sakura and the IC takes any slivers of doubt fmpov on who the SK actually is. So I'm faced with trying to convince you of a condition I absolutely know. Sakura is the SK. If there was some undeniable way to prove it I would...but I can't. The old game I linked you to is the last time I recall being in a similar LYLO situation where I KNEW who the scum was. My play was similar to here I think you can see. And while I've taken a confident, harassing, approach....Sakura has taken a more reserved...don't put foot in mouth...wait and see with fingers crossed approach.

I think any town player in this situation would be more likely to be jumping up and down pointing at who they KNOW is the SK than take a passive approach. An SK or scum might also be jumping up and down to seal the win.....but never, imo, play it like Sakura has.

She's the SK.

[havingfitz]

i promised hammers and i did not deliver

VOTE: sakura

i'm sry if i'm wrong and i deserve the abuse i get if i am.

Deeeeeeep fcuking sigh of relief.

Thanks for choosing right Anti.

[havingfitz]

i won

why do i still feel sad amd empty...?

You should have seen Sakura Hana's private thread. I felt bad.

i think i'm going to be sick...

Why? You picked right. Why take the wind out of a win? Town won. No children or animals were harmed iirc. I don't even recall any nastiness. Good clean town win.

Good job getting to the end Sakura!

[havingfitz]

I have E&O listed as hammering LUV.

[havingfitz]

I still take the stance that fitz case on me was full of Buzzwords over inflating things that meant nothing and just adding "scummy" to all NAI stuff.
I dont understand why anyone got "Angry" out of my posts afterwards tho, but arguing the fact that i wasnt angry there to begin with would have led nowhere.

Tough defending yourself against any cases considering you actually were the SK.

What "angry" are you referring to? Were you or someone else angry at something?

I have no problem with anything you did. You had yourself positioned to get the win and I don't recall any negativity.

[havingfitz]

It's a bit late in Indonesia so PT, MT, DT will be released later

How much later? I'd like to un-bookmark this game.

[havingfitz]

I hate seeing games I've been killed in pop up

I wasn't killed in this game.

[havingfitz]

mfw?