MS Plays Fire Emblem: Sacred Stones (Chapter 3)

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...Is reset an option? Because it looks like the bandit is going to just attack and kill Erika on enemy turn, and there may be nothing Seth can do about it. Though I almost completely forgot about Rescue due to Pair Up in Awakening/Fates, and I don't exactly remember how it works.

If possible, move Seth one down and three right, unequip all weapons and rescue Erika.
Otherwise assume the bandit is going to miss, move Seth one down and five right. Unequip all weapons and end turn.

Note that I haven't played Sacred Stones specifically, but I'm assuming that Seth is a Jagen and shouldn't be getting any kills. Also, I'm not 100% sure about the mechanics, so ignore me if I say something stupid.

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Erika right three, wait.

If the bandits get three hits in a row, Erika still dies, but that is a 6.4% chance, instead of a 16% chance of two hits in a row. Though this way also gives the option of Erika getting hit, killing the first with a crit, and then getting hit again by the second one, but that should be an even smaller chance.

And now I've probably done more than my fair share for this chapter. Is this on hard?

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Okay, maybe I shouldn't have written off Erika dying because she got a crit. Well I guess it worked out?

Seth E3S1.

Would it be a bad idea to give Erika his Steel Sword to conserve on Rapiers, or is she sword rank E? Also, the earliest game I've played was PoR, so I don't know the weight/effective speed calculations here, though I think I heard somewhere that it has something to do with Con? I should probably be just looking this stuff up, but I don't think it actually matters all that much right now.

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I did end up looking it up after all, and it's the same as FE9-11 except with Con instead of Str. (Speed - (Weight - Con) if Weight>Con.)

Erika attack if the boss can't kill her in two hits, wait if he can.

EDIT: Nevermind, I apparently didn't see the equipment link in boss data somehow. The boss can possibly do 11 damage, so Erika should just wait.
(https://serenesforest.net/the-sacred-stones/)

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Erika East one, North two, visit.

I'd send Seth there instead, but the bandit should still be able to reach her, and more avoid is never a bad thing. That is, unless this is one of the maps where the bandit destroys the other village instead. Whatever, it looks like the houses don't actually give anything this map anyway. On that note, maybe I should be doing a little less research...

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The amount of information on Serenes Forest is ridiculous. There's even a full game script that even includes house conversations. I'm debating whether or not to read along, or if that's a bit too far into the legal grey area.

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Is there any units we should specifically be avoiding using, either due to availability reasons or if they're just bad?

Though probably the former is only really an issue in Radiant Dawn, but just in case.

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Gillam right two, down 1. Attack south with Iron Lance.

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Seth 4E1N, wait.

I don't trust that guy to not commit suicide on him, so making him hide behind Erika like a coward.

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What's the soldier who attacked Franz's attack? Either way, I'll let someone else decide whether to have Gilliam kill him or not.

Erika 2W3N, ask the guy how you're supposed to get an armorslayer by this point in the game. Or just use his house as cover.

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I more meant attack value, or strength + might, to see if Franz could take a hit from him without dying if we wanted to give him the exp instead of Gilliam.

Seth 5 West, 2 North

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Gilliam: West 2

Spoiler: Boss Data

HP 20 | Str 8 | Skl 2 | Spd 1 | Lck 2 | Def 9 | Res 0
Iron Lance: Mt 7/Attack 15

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Gilliam down 2, right as far as far as he can go. Should be two, but just making sure.

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Seth right one down one.

Definitely keep selecting, the terrain is still easy enough to see anyway. For the time being, it would probably almost always be better to select Seth in particular, because his movement is so high. From this position he should cover almost the entire map.

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I see three options:

Spoiler: 1. Go all out

Seth kills one, Gilliam weakens another, which Erika finishes off. I think the third wouldn't be able to kill anyone, though I'm unsure about that.

Spoiler: 2. Hold the wall

Retreat Erika, move Franz onto the fort, using a vulnerary. Leave Seth where he is, and either leave Gilliam where he is or move left one. There are several other ways this could work, but I think this is the best version of it. Seth retreating and being replaced by Franz, who heals himself while Erika sits probably could also work, but that risks Erika getting a crit or two, opening her up for more attacks.

Spoiler: 3. Run away

Gilliam moves onto the Forest, where only one enemy can hit him. (Unless he kills, which is unlikely.) Everyone else can get completely out of range, but not too far so an all out strategy would work next turn. Franz also should be using a vulnerary here. If Erika moves first, Gilliam could also use the one she has for even more safety, but I don't think that would be necessary.

If I were playing solo, I'd probably go for the third option. Not making a move now though, because I could be missing something, and this turn looks dangerous if anything is out of place. Also I'm not sure whether end of turn bypasses the 12 hour rule.

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Seth up 1 left 2.

Unless someone else moves Erika first, my next move will be sending her towards the boss. I think she should be able to do 10*2 damage at ~79 accuracy to the boss's 11. If she waits until enemy phase to attack, she could just run back to the fort or use a vulnerary. Franz wouldn't fight the boss well even if he had full HP.

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Franz wait.

Probably won't matter, but no reason not to.

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Can you give us the stats for Vanessa fighting a bandit?

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Franz south 3, east as far as possible.

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Eirika South 1, East 2, North 1, visit.

Or just east 2 if that spot is able to be crossed by non-fliers.

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Gilliam S1E3

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I think that's RIP village, unless we want Seth to kill everyone. It's just a Pure Water though, so it's probably not worth it. I don't think anyone else can reach in time though.

Moulder SWWWS.

Eirika needs and iron and/or slim sword, but I think everyone else is good in terms of items?

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Gilliam has them, so for Seth to go on the offensive, Gilliam would have to move first and either give them back or get in his path, assuming riders can trade in the middle of a movement.

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Eirika S4, talk. If that doesn't end her turn, give Ross the red gem.

And if you haven't resolved my previous move yet, add use heal staff on Ross to the end of it. I forgot he wasn't at full.

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Ross: Take Red Gem from Eirika

If it's safe, I'm having him go to the store next turn. I don't know how scarce weapon uses are this game, but because of that I'd rather buy more than is necessary. Posting this now in case I'm buying too much or too little.

Shopping list: (Irons and Slims)
Iron Sword for Eirika - Not the Rapier
Iron Lance for Vanessa - Three less speed, and five less hit and crit, but 3 more might and 45 uses. Even if she doesn't use it, someone else probably will.
Iron Lance for Seth - Economical, and I don't like him having no weapons. Can you unequip weapons while still holding them in this game?
Iron Sword - No particular reason, but more swords is never a bad thing. Ross might have to sell his Vulnerary to have space for this though, but my guess is that it would be worth it.

Not getting axes, because without using Ross, his Hatchet should be enough for filler if any is necessary. Not getting slims because they're a higher cost for 33% less uses. Especially swords because no one even needs the reduced weight. Vanessa already has a Slim Lance, and Slim Axes don't exist.

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Franz E3S4

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If Franz kills and the reinforcements can only move one space:
Ross East 1, sell red gem and vulnerary, buy 2 iron swords and 2 iron lances.

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Vanessa ESS, take an iron lance, rescue Ross, East 5.

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Eirika 2S

I got really confused at some point and thought that Moulder was unprotected. I explicitly avoided doing anything around there before, and I probably would have screwed something up if I hadn't. Though I still managed to screw up anyway and completely forgot to give Eirika another sword before ferrying Ross back to Garcia to recruit him.

Playing like this is actually really weird to me.

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A: Vanessa cannot drop and then move, right?
B: How much health does the injured bandit have left?

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Seth ransacks the village.

One more question: Which one is the boss, and what's his movement range? I would guess the bottom one and 2, but I don't want to screw things up with assumptions.

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If you want Vanessa to be in the path of the bandit, that's 2S2W.

Gillam 1 left, 1 up.

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Moulder, as far up as he needs to go to get out of range of all the bandits. I think he only needs to move 2.

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Ross 1 left 1 up, talk.

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I have no clue what you're trying to do right now.

Garcia WSWSW

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Whatever, Gillaim's not going to die next phase, and Moulder still has room to run away.

Franz East 1, make sure his sword is equipped, wait.

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Moulder NENE

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What did you think was going to happen? With Franz and Seth in those positions, they were the only two he could reach, he would have only done like 7/21 damage to Franz if he had hit. The AI is too stupid to not attack a knight who is in range when it could be going after a healer who is not quite in range, and there's only so much a non-boss can do, especially since the actual boss is fairly weak himself.

How much damage (I don't need any of the other stats) would Garcia (Iron Axe), Ross (Hatchet from range 2), and Franz (Iron Sword) do to the non-boss? Don't bother with the screenshots, unless somehow those are easier than just posting numbers.

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I apparently missed that Ross has range 4 instead of 5. Well oops.

Erika with Iron vs. Boss: 5 str+5 mt+1 triangle bonus-4 def*double hit=14 damage. I could be screwing something up, but if Garcia manages to kill the non-boss, and Franz gets out of her way, then Eirika

should

be able to kill the boss, though it would be really bad if she didn't due to a miss or because I calculated wrong. I was hoping Ross+Franz could kill the non-boss instead, but apparently I'm an idiot.

For now though, Moulder WSWS, heal Gilliam for the EXP.

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Seth NEE

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Eirika SWSW, attack boss with Iron Sword

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Somehow I missed that there were map shops in this game. Is this the Ide Armoury? If so, that's irons, slims, Steel Axe, Hand Axe, Javelin.

Franz and/or Gilliam could use a Javelin (400G, noting that there's one in a chest on the next map), I think everyone else is good in terms of new items though. Are there any weapons aside from the Hand Axe or the Rapier that are under 20 uses?

Also, Eirika could use Seth's Steel Sword, though I don't remember who has it now. Ross should convoy the things he has that he can't equip, same for Seth's Silver Lance since no one else can use it. Speaking of Seth, is unequipping weapons not an option in this game? Either way, I still think he should have something in case of emergency. Possibly Franz's sword, giving Franz the new one.

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I have quite a few questions.

I kind of meant give Franz the extra iron sword that Ross had, not the one Eirika had equipped. Can Eirika access the convoy at any time?
Are those breakable walls, and if so how much HP do they have? Can the bandits destroy them in one hit?
It looks like this map we get a chance to recruit Neimi and Colm. I'm guessing Neimi is the archer northwest of Eirika, but it says Colm starts as an NPC. Is he just not on the map yet?
I think at least in Radiant Dawn fliers get a movement penalty on indoor maps. Is that the case here?

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Well, I'm impatiant.
Garcia: 1E, Attack wall with Iron Axe.

(I'm not so impatient though that I'd want to finish it off and let the bandit through on Player Phase though, my current plan is to just give him a scare when he breaks the wall himself.)

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Gilliam 2S2E

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Moulder 2N3W

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Seth waits.

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Garcia use Hand Axe on the bandit who completely ignored him.

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Neimi NNW, talk.

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Gilliam North 4

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Ross North 4, break wall.

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Colm North 2, assuming that bandit doesn't have over 20 attack or a Hand Axe. Otherwise, wait.

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Gilliam South 3, East 1.

Gilliam may be slightly drunk, staggering around like that.

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Colm, NE, kill.

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Garcia East 4 North 1, attack wall with iron axe.

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Ross: North, 3 East

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Moulder, wait.

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Garcia NWW

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Moulder: Heal Garcia (NEEEN)

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Gilliam 3 East 1 North, Javelin Bandit.

If I'm remembering incorrectly and he doesn't have a Javelin, just East 1.

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Eirika: To north of the pillar.

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Seth North 3

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Gilliam attack wall with Iron Lance.

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Neimi S3.
Also, what are Franz's stats against the guy who attacked him?

And characters only get a total of five support conversations, right? I doubt it would matter all that much, but you probably shouldn't do them just because they're there.

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How about Vanessa with the Slim Lance? Is that 5*2/76/8?

Seth E2.

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Do either of the other bandits in the room have any ranged weapons?

Also, I probably already asked this but I'm forgetful, can Vanessa move after attacking?

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It's hard to remember when they change it every single game. Anyway, I don't think there's any way to make Vanessa going on the offensive safe in this case, so have her move 1N1E and equip a Javelin. Steal Gilliam's if she doesn't have one already.

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Franz - as close to everyone else as he can get. (Net N1W4?) Also, equip the sword. I doubt it will matter in any way, but just in case.

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Garcia East 2.

Do barrels prevent movement?

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Gilliam East 3, South 1. Wait.

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Eirika finishes trapping the bandit. (Net E1S2)

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Neimi S4

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Seth waits.

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Yeah, just an Antitoxin though. The one Garcia killed had a Pure Water, but I didn't think Garcia would be able to double him, so eh.

Vanessa attacks south with the Slim Lance.

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Assuming Vanessa kills, Gilliam South 1, attack with Iron Lance.

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Franz 3 East 3 South, Attack with Iron sword. If Gilliam manages to kill, 4 East 1 South instead.

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Assuming Vanessa kills, Gilliam South 1, attack with Iron Lance.

Do this anyway, even if we still want to force Vanessa to make the kill, Seth can take Gilliam's place.

What are the combat stats for a Ross E1 attack move?

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Franz 3 East 3 South, Attack with Iron sword.

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Moulder SWW

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Garcia wait.

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Moulder E2N1, heal Vanessa

Does the game tell you if a boss won't move? This is a seize, so there's no way he would, but it doesn't hurt to check.
Also, I believe that mercenary has an Antitoxin that Colm can steal. Anything else special about him?

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Gilliam 4E

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Eirika E3N2

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It's been a month and we're cleared three short chapters. Do you really think we should be spending time grinding?

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Franz 3N4E

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Vanessa E5N1 equip Iron, assuming this makes her too slow to double hit the mercenary. Otherwise E6N1.

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I didn't think Vanessa would be in any real danger, but that was surprisingly pathetic.

Vanessa West 1

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Moulder East 3, heal Vanessa

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Eirika East 1

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Garcia East 2

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I... honestly didn't expect this to last all that long either. (I actually assume only like 20% of things in this forum are going to run to completion, so maybe I'm a bit too pessimistic.) This is extremely little work from my part, so if you continue with this I probably wouldn't go anywhere, but I wouldn't be devastated if you stopped.


I don't like dealing with emulators though, especially for games I theoretically could just go out and buy. Not to mention that I have a lot of games backlogged as is, when I can even get around to them at all, so I'll pass on that.