Mini 1881 - Cult of Kira [Game Over!]

[Peabody]

Hello everyone.

I read the thread, and here are my initial reads:

1shot and Grey are probably town.
Creature is a slight, slight town read.
Fishy, Kuro, and Crystal Allies are scum or leaning scum.

Crystal Allies

I see a lot of game speculation and strategy, and not a lot of decisive pushing in the game. I see various questions on reads toward themselves, but not a lot of cases are being made. I see they use their vote for pressure, but I see a lack of decisiveness from this slot, and that piques my suspicions. I can post links if needed. This is the weaker of my three reads.

Kuro

I suspect Kuro because of these posts: 88, 140, 234

Calling the thread in page 88 a 'huge mess' gave me a red flag. It was at this point when RC and ThinkBig had claimed, and this comment looked feigned. Like an 'Oh no! How terrible it is that people claimed!'. Of course, it's not a desirable situation, but it seemed a little forced.

His 140 struck me as strategic positioning that I think scum would take. He's asking for a case on someone else while simultaneously saying he cannot ignore the red flags. I think it's more indicative of a scum alignment to vote for someone they think is town and to ask for another case. I don't know. It's weird. Where is the case-pushing? What caused you to want to change your mind?

His 234 is another example of the strategic posturing, calling out Grey for his 'RVS' without putting down a vote to back it up. It just looks like he's testing the waters for others to jump on board.

Fishy

I suspect Fishy for his very weird and very forced pushed on Elena in the early pages: 190, 208, 272

Fishy's case on Elena was based on her push on ThinkBig. He asks her if she thought ThinkBig would claim after pressure, and uses this to start his prodding. Of course, no one would have predicted ThinkBig's claim so early in the game, so I find any use of this line of questioning as forced.

He later admits that his case was forced and Elene didn't do anything scummy. Furthermore, he fails to find any suspicion in anyone. Even his current vote is on someone without a posted reason. This is the stronger of my three reads. I'm very glad others picked up on it.



@Fishy, why are you voting Crystal Allies?

@Crystal Allies, Can you extrapolate your vote on Yessiree a little more? All I see is you don't like his involvement on the wagons, but I'd like a little more detail, please.

@RadiantCowbells, why is Fishy town?

VOTE: FishyTheFish

[Peabody]

Votecount 1.22

Crystal Allies (3) - Elena Fisher, -Grey-, FishytheFish
yessiree (2) - RadiantCowbells, Crystal Allies
-Grey- (2) - randomidget, Agent Sparkles
RadiantCowbells (2) - yessiree, KuroiXHF
FishytheFish (2) - Creature, Peabody
Creature (1) - 1 Shot Vanilla Town

Not Voting (0) -

Nobody!

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Current deadline is Monday, February 27th at 9PM EST.

Mod Notes:

Thanks to randomidget for replacing ThinkBig. Thanks to Peabody for replacing beeboy.

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Because Yesirree is scum and that is the counterwagon. It's not a coincidence that Yessiree is going nowhere, I'm getting voted for pushing on Yessiree, and that the counterwagon is being jumped on.

Given that the votes are pretty evenly distributed now, is a counter wagon the main reason you think Yessiree is scum now?

[Peabody]

aight fishy and crystal are my shouts for scum so far

While I agree, why?

[Peabody]

How is the quickness of a read alignment indicative??

[Peabody]

Kuroi said that when I'm scum I'm more active then immediately after said that I'm scum for being inactive but I won't be missed for not contributing even though I'm known as a p good town player???

O.O

[Peabody]

Peabody replaced beeboy, who was pretty null.

Oh well, that sucks.

It's kind of a curse of mine.

[Peabody]

@1shot - What do you think of Kuro?

[Peabody]

I like a fishy vote.

But, I'll switch from a Fishy vote to a Kuro or Crystal vote if time doesn't allow a Fishy vote.

EF is leaning slight town to me.

[Peabody]

Your only reason for a Yessiree lynch is he's on a counterwagon to Fishy?

[Peabody]

Votecount 1.24

FishytheFish (3) - Creature, Peabody, -Grey-
Crystal Allies (2) - Elena Fisher, FishytheFish
yessiree (2) - RadiantCowbells, Crystal Allies
-Grey- (2) - randomidget, Agent Sparkles
RadiantCowbells (1) - yessiree
Creature (1) - 1 Shot Vanilla Town
randommidget (1) - KuroiXHF

Not Voting (0) -

Nobody!

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Current deadline is Monday, February 27th at 9PM EST.

Mod Notes:

Thanks to randomidget for replacing ThinkBig. Thanks to Peabody for replacing beeboy.

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Why is he town? I'm still not seeing it.

PS, I'm a robot.

[Peabody]

UNVOTE:

Eh, I reread Fishy's case. It's not as scummy as I thought given his explanation. I didn't realize TB threatened to claim before EF voted him.

VOTE: KuroiXHF

For voting TB and asking for another case, for wanting to policy lynch for our first day, and lack of case pushing. Plus a couple of tiny tells.

[Peabody]

@Mod, would you mind fixing coding? Thanks if you choose to.

[Peabody]

So, cult is going to be throwing themselves out there on d1 with no concern for how their posts look?

Nah, not feeling it. Especially in a cult game.

So you're saying he's town because he's too scummy? What?

[Peabody]

Nah, I'm saying he's town for doing what he feels is necessary without giving a shit about appearances.

Town, scum or null: Having trouble finding suspicion in others?

[Peabody]

Nah, I'm saying he's town for doing what he feels is necessary without giving a shit about appearances.

Town, scum or null: Having trouble finding suspicion in others?

Depends on how invested the player is in the game and how familiar they are with the players in it.

How invested do you think Kuro is, and how familiar do you think Kuro is with the players? I don't understand how you can attribute the tells i pointed out to being town without caring about appearances. Scum don't find very many people scummy because they know who scum is.

Any answer, Peabody?

To what? Did you ask a question?

[Peabody]

Nah, I'm saying he's town for doing what he feels is necessary without giving a shit about appearances.

This is why I said you attributed him as town.

Can someone please explain to me the whole "People are town reading Kuroi, but he could still possibly be scum. ....so *vote*."

I feel like there's some disconnect.

I don't understand why you're asking me that question. I'm scumreading you, not town reading you. Who said you were a town read who can possibly be scum? FishyTheFish said he started reading you because you were a stale town read of his, and then he said after the reread (reasons posted) that you could be scum after all.

Give me your top 3 scum reads.

[Peabody]

@RC, why is yessiree a bad wagon?

[Peabody]

Why is Titus/Sparkles recruited specifically? I see her early game frustration with Grey as town motivated. I don't know her meta, but the reactions and all that, on first impression didn't ping me. Can someone give me a reason other than she's scummy, unmotivated, or likely culted? The first doesn't explain the wagon, the second reason is not alignment indicative, and the last of the three appear as a policy lynch. Null, slight town read here.

I wouldn't be upset with the Fishy lynch. He's null at best. My fav is still where my vote is at (Kuro), and I don't see a Crystal lynch happening in 24 hours.

[Peabody]

VOTE: yessirree I don't scum read him, but we need a lynch.

[Peabody]

This is Day One. The fuck?

You don't think the added emphasis "The fuck?" makes it look forced? It looks like acting to me. Hop on this wagon if that's the only reason you town-read him.

[Peabody]

This is Day One. The fuck?

You don't think the added emphasis "The fuck?" makes it look forced? It looks like acting to me. Hop on this wagon if that's the only reason you town-read him.

ehhh but Crystal is scum.
I'll vote Kuro if we have 2 hoursl eft
Pedit: <3

Thanks.

[Peabody]

I'm pretty happy your vote is claimed then.

[Peabody]

I can't believe you guys.

[Peabody]

VOTE: Crystal Allies

Why are people hopping off this wagon? The mechanical talk with little conviction tells me they're scum. Unless there are games Varsoon is a mechanical heavy talker regardless of alignment.

[Peabody]

Grey is so town. 1shot is so town.

[Peabody]

Actually, I'm less sure about Grey. He's kind of a hunch.

@CA - Yes, mechanics are important, but I don't think they should replace your reads. Lack of conviction meaning I don't see you scum hunting. I find that you're quite compliant postulating about what happened during pregame and night in an attempt to look active. That's alignment indicative in my book, with few exceptions based on if the person's meta contains a lot of town games with much setup speculation. I'm reading your metas as we speak, but I don't expect to find anything.

[Peabody]

@Grey, I find it hard to believe that a person acting as erratically as you being a cult member. At least as of yesterday. I'm having a hard time keeping up with the fact we're dealing with cult rather than mafia.

I'm pretty sure that actually engaging with mechanics and claims is something I've always done, regardless of alignment.

We'll see. Researching now.

[Peabody]

Yeah, nevermind the votes I stuck by, reads I got through interactions, or how the mechanics re:claims have already really helped sort out some players so far.
What's the difference between 'looking active' and 'being active', eh?

'Looking' active implies being fake. Fakers are generally scum.

[Peabody]

@Grey, I find it hard to believe that a person acting as erratically as you being a cult member. At least as of yesterday.

Whereas, I've been the picture of consistency today.

Uh-huh.

No. I'm referencing WIFOM jokes, aggressive/AtE behavior, threatening to gamethrow. I guess 'inconsistent' isn't the word I'm looking for. More... nonchalant and less calculated.

[Peabody]

I'm not claiming to be Professor -Grey-... Although you should look into becoming a professor.

I'm basing my analysis on my experience, not on your meta.

[Peabody]

Truth is, I actually have no idea how to read you. If you were the average person, I'm saying you're probably town. I'm not comparing scum!grey to town!grey. You're the kind of player that is difficult to read because of the reasons I listed above. I don't see scum acting like that. Which is why I town read you. Why are you so up in arms about how I read you?

Ninja: Then I don't understand what you mean.

[Peabody]

"Professor -Grey-" is implying I"m claiming to be an expert on how YOU play. Hence... meta. Right?

[Peabody]

Then you should become "Professor Peabody" (bahaha). I don't often go for the "easy" lynch. I think it's too good to be true most of the time. I've evolved as I've played.

[Peabody]

I generally go for the lynches that are more subtle, where it seems they are intentionally not trying to be caught, are not finding scum reads, focus too much on gameplay, force cases that aren't aggressive, but more... feigned. It's a downfall of my play I guess.

[Peabody]

That's part of the reason why I think you're town.

[Peabody]

So were you actually going to do research or were you going to park a middling vote on low-hanging fruit, promise to make a case there, then dither off?

-V

Yes, expect a post tomorrow.

[Peabody]

Town reads currently are 1shot, Randommidget, Elena Fisher.

Grey leans town, though the town read is only now based on the reasons I mentioned before. I had other reasons (based on an alignment of another player), but now I'm a little less sure.

[Peabody]

That's much better. Thanks for appeasing me, Peabody.

You're welcome.

More to come on scum reads, but most likely not at the moment. I got a busy day. I may find pockets of time to read over day 1 and what we got of day 2.

[Peabody]

I haven't been around for years, so I don't know Varsoon.

[Peabody]

Varsoon's meta includes a recent game with mechanical speculation as town in Bad Poet's Society - viewtopic.php?f=52&t=63682 ...

As well as a game early last year with the same flair - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=67527.

Moreover, there are scum games where scum!Varsoon doesn't chat much about mechanics.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=69321

I'm less decided about this role now. Mechanical speculation for him is nonalignment indicative at best.

UNVOTE:

[Peabody]

I thought I posted that already but apparently it got caught in the ninja edits. Luckily I was able to hit back on the browser and find it.

[Peabody]

Lol, I thought I posted 1036 like an hour ago, but it was int he preview screen in the other browser tab.

And no, not really, random. It was based on the idea that he was posting speculation to avoid scumreading anyone.

[Peabody]

You think I didn't mean to post it an hour ago? And yes, the 'didn't I already address that' was not written, it was thought. Hence why I was able to hit the back button on the browser to find the text. I wouldn't have known I didn't post it except that you pointed it out that Varsoon posts a lot mechanically. Why is that important?

[Peabody]

I had multiple tabs open. One tab had my meta post. The post had a bunch of other user's posts above it showing what they had written since I began writing the meta Varsoon read. Is that not the preview screen and the ninja screen?

Again, why is that important?

[Peabody]

I didn't lie?

[Peabody]

Because I play with multiple tabs open. I clicked ON THE TAB with the preview in it, read through my iso to make sure I posted it, then realized I didn't post it. So I hit the back button multiple times and found the post in the quick reply box.

[Peabody]

Votecount 2.7

1 Shot Vanilla Town (2) - yessiree, Crystal Allies
Crystal Allies (2) - RadiantCowbells, Elena Fisher
Creature (1) - 1 Shot Vanilla Town
Peabody (1) - -Grey-

Not Voting (4) - randomidget, FishytheFish, Creature, Peabody

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Current deadline is Monday, March 16th at 9PM EST.

Mod Notes:

None!

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Like, all in the same tab.

[Peabody]

The reason it didn't post was because others have posted before me, and I thought it did post.

[Peabody]

Lol, I thought I posted 1036 like an hour ago, but it was int he preview screen in the other browser tab.

And no, not really, random. It was based on the idea that he was posting speculation to avoid scumreading anyone.

No mention of needing to spam backspace to get to the preview screen in this post at all.

What?

[Peabody]

My point is that BOTH scenarios happened. I was reading the thread in one tab, actively posting. The other tab had my meta post about Varsoon, which I thought that I had posted. It was stuck in the preview/ninja screen. Grey posted the comment about Varsoon's meta which I thought I posted. I was confused, began to close my tabs to watch the LCS, and saw the tab where my post was on the preview screen. I thought, no, I posted this, but I clicked my iso ON THAT TAB to find I didn't post it. I was pissed. Hit the back button multiple times and was able to find the post. Then posted it. I can see how there is confusion because I didn't explain it well. I didn't know you wanted to know the EXACT mechanics on how I did this.

[Peabody]

If you hadn't posted the Varsoon meta post, I wouldn't have noticed I didn't post it. Even when I saw it in the other tab, I thought I posted it. Both of these factors made me look at my iso before completely exiting the site.

[Peabody]

Is the only SR on Elena based on her criticism of CA and their mechanical talk? I thought it was scummy just like she did until I researched Varsoon. Elena's interactions day 1 looked pretty townie to me. Is there something else people are seeing?

I'm gonna do some reading, but I've been super busy so far this weekend. My old scum reads are more null now after Kuroi lynch.

[Peabody]

@yessiree

It does become anti-town if it's just noise. However, anti-town doesn't mean scum. If it fits Varsoon's meta to be caught up in mechanics and setup, I can't push a case against them on that basis alone.

I am sorry I've been out of it the last couple of days. I have company over for the next two days, but I plan at taking a look at Creature and Fishy and see what I find again. It's hard to believe that 3 of the big wagons were on town anyway so it's worth looking into.

[Peabody]

My guess the original note holder is between Creature, RC, Grey, and Fishy. I'd guess at least 2 of the possible 3 cult are among these four, based on my town reads so far.

I feel that a lot of today has been TvT pushes. The wagon on Elena is not great. I don't think tunneling is a scumtell nor is it distracting from finding scum.

[Peabody]

Actually, I like a fishy vote. Good call.

VOTE: Fishy

[Peabody]

Cult is different from normal mafia factions, they don't need to worry about looking bad, as long they recruit someone else to take their fall.

I still don't understand. It's not easy to townread you. Why should we think you're town so obviously? When I ISO'd you, nothing immediately pinged me as town.

@fishy - Is your vote on Creature informed by anything but meta?

[Peabody]

Votecount 2.12

Elena Fisher (2) - Crystal Allies, randomidget
Crystal Allies (2) - RadiantCowbells, Elena Fisher
Creature (2) - 1 Shot Vanilla Town, FishytheFish
FishytheFish (2) - -Grey-, Peabody
1 Shot Vanilla Town (1) - yessiree

Not Voting (1) - Creature

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Current deadline is Monday, March 16th at 9PM EST.

Mod Notes:

None!

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Why is scum among those who FoS you, Creature?

[Peabody]

I still don't understand your answer to Fishy's question.

[Peabody]

Also, I don't scumread you for lurking, Creature. I will say I am getting a little suspicious of you after that line about those who FoS you are scum or likely contain scum. Do you think those who are FoSing you are more likely scummy for pointing out the lurking? Still, Still don't get your post.

That Fishy obvsetup comment that Grey pointed out is tipped me one way to vote over the other. I'm going off of PoE mostly at this point with some scumdar gut.

[Peabody]

Do you think its because people are jumping on certain aspects of your play?

[Peabody]

Meh, do you remember who first pushed me today?

Not particularly off-hand, but I'm sure I can look back. 1ST?

[Peabody]

I don't like the current wagons. I'll switch to Creature if we need a different one, but not Elena or Crystal.

[Peabody]

idk, feel like scum would start doubtcasting me, like:
Scum PT: Hey look, maybe we can push a mislynch on Creature

VOTE: Creature

[Peabody]

I reread the couple pages, and something about this rubs me the wrong way.

He never answered my question fully and fumbled when answering.

[Peabody]

@Creature, why would scum doubtcast you over others? What about your play do you think scum would be suspicious of?

[Peabody]

We don't really have anything to lose here. I don't see a counterclaim.

We lynch CA, and if they flip town, we lynch RC. It's pretty simple.

VOTE: Crystal Allies

[Peabody]

What is my association to Crystal Allies? I suspected them most of day 1 AND did a meta check on Varsoon. The votes for me don't make sense.

Also, question: I saw a breadcrumb from who I thought was a power role, and it's beginning to show that the particular person is not a power role, or at least it's heavily hinted. So, do we lynch it or save it just in case?

[Peabody]

My real question is, should I out the breadcrumb? I don't want to make the powerrole claim if he or she is indeed a power role, but if that person isn't, it's beginning to look scummy.

I could potentially risk outing a real power role though. That's what's holding me back.

[Peabody]

@Creature - why'd you favor Elena lynch over CA yesterday?

@Randommidget - Same question.

@Elena - How am I associated to CA day 1? I SR'd them until I was able to research them D2.

@Grey - 541 - What convinced you to hop off CA?

[Peabody]

I'm nearly 100% sure that if Grey is cult, he has the death note.

VOTE: Grey

His interaction with CA day 2, hopping on Elena's wagon, his jump off CA's wagon Day 1.

Additionally, his sheeping of RC is to keep him out of the spotlight because if he knows RC leads the wagon, he's safe for this night as the cult leader.

[Peabody]

Also, opinions on both Yessiree and Elena from yesterdays and todays interactions?

I've seen Elena as quite town for most of the game, if not all of it. Same with Random, although this could be confbias because I've agreed with him on a couple of reads except for the Elena push.

Yessiree's hammer on Creature wasn't clean. He went from what seemed like a pivot of 'Eh, I could lynch Creature' to a hammer out of nowhere. He could have been the culted n2 while I suspect Grey culted n1. I'm of the opinion both could be culted, and if that's the case, Grey has the DN.

VOTE: unvote I'm unvoting for the sake of the possibility this could be lylo or mylo.

[Peabody]

Votecount 4.6

randomidget (1) - 1 Shot Vanilla Town

Not Voting (7) - Elena Fisher, randomidget, FishytheFish, RadiantCowbells, -Grey-, yessiree, Peabody

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Current deadline is Monday, April 3rd at 9PM EDT.

Mod Notes:

None!

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SOrry, I said grey culted n1 (I meant pregame)

[Peabody]

Wait, I'm losing track of nights. Grey pregame, Yessiree either n1, or n2.

If there's a third, it could be anyone not cop or mason. I haven't looked that far. I'm kind of stuck on thinking Grey's sheep is a cover for DN.

[Peabody]

If there's 4, we lost because it's impossible to get majority vote.

[Peabody]

If that works, can we please lynch Grey?

[Peabody]

I think I'd have been a shit recruit this game due to my apathy anyway, but eh.

I just kinda flipped a switch on this game after the d1 drama and tuned out for the most part.

What do you think caused the flipped switch?

[Peabody]

Elena town - this was based on her day 1 and 2 play. If recruited n3, she doesn't have the death note.
RC, 1Shof, Fishy, all town because.
Grey - Hee's scum based on his backing off of the CA lynch day 1 and then being on the Elena wagon day2.
Yessiree - likely culted because he was cleared day 2. I know it's said it's 'too easy', but WIFOM isn't fun. His hammer on Creature was posturing because he changed his mind on Creature without warning on the last second.
RandomMidget - I've had a town read on him based on his reads list similar to mine day 1 but it's possible he was cult day 2 while defending CA.

Lynch pool is Grey, Yessiree, and RandomMidget.

[Peabody]

My guess the original note holder is between Creature, RC,

Grey

, and Fishy.

Why would you have me listed as a possiblity of being the original note holder when you were reading me as town, and staunchly defending that read, up to post 1033 or so?

I could see you thinking that I might have been recruited, maybe, but that post does not vibe with your argument with me about why you were so convinced I was town.

1shottown breadcrumbed cop day 1, and then said you were town. I assumed you were a pregame investigation, but I began to lose faith 1shot was cop because Elena, who I also thought was cop, suspected him.

[Peabody]

The mind changing occurred during reskims.

[Peabody]

Elena listed Kuro and 1shot as being possibly associated and I thought that was odd. Then later in the day you're referencing but before the post you quoted, she listed 1shot as possible scum. If Elena was cop, which I believed was true, 1shot couldn't be. Which means grey was no longer confirmed.

[Peabody]

Either is possible, I'd think.

[Peabody]

It's not about defending anyone else on the player list. I want to lynch grey because he is the most likely to be cult.

1shot breadcrumbed in post 77.

[Peabody]

@Grey

Town reads currently are 1shot, Randommidget, Elena Fisher.

Grey leans town, though the town read is only now based on the reasons I mentioned before.

I had other reasons (based on an alignment of another player), but now I'm a little less sure.

I hinted at my reasoning in this quote. I thought 1shot was breadcrumbing cop in 77, hinted he investigated you in 311. I changed my mind through a reskim and realized it may not be the case based on what I read.

[Peabody]

I didn't know whether or not 1shot was breadcrumbing or clearing anyone. I'm just saying what I assumed was happening, whether my suspicions happened in actuality or not. When I realized I may be wrong, I allowed the possibility Grey was scum.

[Peabody]

I haven't played in a while and thought police get pregame actions. They don't apparently in this game. Well, my mistake.

[Peabody]

I enjoyed playing with you all! Here's to hoping we're in a game together in the future.

[Peabody]

And now I die.

*Cough* *Cough* ECK!

-ded-

[Peabody]

Good games and well played, everyone.

The setup did feel a bit town sided since there were so many confirmed town. At one point, 4 people were mod confirmed as town aligned, so it felt difficult to push suspicion off of our slots. I think if we saved the god of death kill power for a time when a Kira died, it would have been more stragetic.

Anyway, good games!

[Peabody]

And random, you played fine!