DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O

[Almost Chara]

VOTE: drealmerz
voted no one instead of picking a player. obvscum. ;>
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

ah, dreal. never change.
VOTE: The Wood Cutters
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

why would i immediately give a reason when seeing what you come up with is more fun?
sharp scummers would figure it had something to do with drealmerz. ;>
~Chara

pedit: can you walk through your thought process there, Postie?
peditx2: we is a personal pronoun, he is a third-person pronoun! the two aren't comparable!

[Almost Chara]

*Almost50 makes an entrance an the crowd goes crazy*

Vote: Nancy

- Did the earth move for you, Nancy?

Is money too tight to mention for you, mate?

I mean, this should have merited a vote because you PM must be "Simply Red".

VOTE: drealmer
VOTE: Pine
VOTE: TheWoodCutters
VOTE: Empking

Being a quadruple voter is never a town utility.

Scum are Chara, nancy, and ???, my guess would be Penguin.

VOTE: Chara

I wanted to make a joke here, but I retracted it bc I'm not British and I feared it might sound offensive to the Brits.

Please pretend I made a funny joke though and post laughs and applause.


OK, finished skimming.

P.S. I feel it;s going to be impossible to fake anything and get it past The Wood Cutters. Between them 3 they have seen almost everything I'm capable of, so I'm going to come clean: We're just a mere VT

~A50

[Almost Chara]

P.S. I feel it;s going to be impossible to fake anything and get it past The Wood Cutters. Between them 3 they have seen almost everything I'm capable of, so I'm going to come clean: We're just a mere VT

You wanna take a guess why I seriously hate this post, this part in particular?

Not if you are Mastina. You didn't sign though, so I don't know which head I'm talking to.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Which head says it, doesn't matter, we won't be signing the posts.

As for post 186, what assumptions have you made when you were writing it?

1- Then I have no idea why you dislike it.

2- What makes you think I made any assumptions at all?

3- If you're not Mastina (and you're probably not) my advise is to check with her first before you go any further.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

VOTE: almost

Good vote! Pffft!

[Almost Chara]

I want a double cheese burger and a big pack of fries myself, but I'm not getting any.. *Shrug*

P.S. You want reads on page 9, and when I precisely said I skimmed the earlier pages?? For real!!!

[Almost Chara]

It's almost like you know this slot is town so you're trying to butter up to us.

And it looks like you missed the whole point (which might be a good thing, tbh).

[Almost Chara]

Yeah or at least initial thoughts.

I also want to know why you're scared of woodcutters.

1- I don't have any. I've just come in and I'm taking my time developing my thoughts and reads.

2- Scared I'm not. Wary might be more appropriate. I'm trying to figure them out and you're getting in the way.

[Almost Chara]

@Infinity: Never EVER jump in my way while I'm talking to someone else. It automatically triggers the "bad vibes detected" button in me. Are you The Wood Cutters appointed lawyer? If not, step aside and let THEM ask the questions for themselves. I don't believe either of the 3 needs any help from anyone.

[Almost Chara]

Of course it's obvious that it's Almost50 that's talking here. Sorry to have not signed.

[Almost Chara]

I'm questioning you because you look scummy to me

I saw that and I also saw your vote on our slot. Good for you. NC is having a Town lean on you for it. I feel quite the opposite though.

[Almost Chara]

Why what?

[Almost Chara]

P.S. I feel it;s going to be impossible to fake anything and get it past The Wood Cutters. Between them 3 they have seen almost everything I'm capable of, so I'm going to come clean: We're just a mere VT

I am calling fake claim right here. Also, throughout this posts, it feels like Almost is trying to be TOO casual. I have never seen him play like this.

VOTE: Almost50

First: It's

Almost Chara

not Almost50, so fix your vote.

Second: It's not like you have played a couple of hundred games with me before, so your argument is mute.

Third: If I sound casual; how is a VT claim fake? I fail to see casual =/= VT

Fourth: If I'm fake claiming wouldn't it be best to leave me for the proper PR to catch me in a lie? Why are you so concerned about a VT fake claim?

P-edit: Which makes "Second" even a more pressing response. You will NEVER see me play the same way twice. You need to read like 10 games of mine at least to make a statement like that. Either do a search on Almost50, or go to my wiki page and start reading. I already addressed the one slot that's most likely to figure me out as either alignment, and not only one of them but ALL of them. It's just that Mastina is even MUCH more likely to do so on D1.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Forgive me, momo, but -and this is in no way an attempt to deter you from scum reading me- it's a a bad idea to lynch a VT claim on D1, and especially so when I claimed w/o any pressure. If I'm "anything but" a Tracker, a Watcher, a Neapolitan, a Role Cop, as well as many other roles can catch me in a lie. I'm your guaranteed lynch on D2/D3.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Also, the only role scum would claim is VT.

That might be true in Newbie games, my friend, but certainly not in closed setups. I've won a game (as Scum) by fake claiming a JK for instance. If Scum don't know what to expect in a setup they should (a) Avoid claiming, and (b) if FORCED to; claim something they can get away with. As I pointed out, there's a whole host of investigative roles than can catch me if I'm fake claiming. Tracker/Follower would see me visiting someone/submitting an action, thus proving me lying. Watcher would see me visiting their target, thus prove me lying. Neapolitan will get "Not Vanilla" on me, so I'm caught. Role Cop would get "Almost Chara has the role of <insert role here>" and thus I'm lying. A normal Cop will get a guilty on me too. So, it'd only be safe for me to claim VT if I expect there NOT to be ANY of those in the game. I'm only trying to make you improve your logic though. If you think I'm, scum, so be it. Town doesn't really lose much by lynching me. It's better than a mislynch on a PR and -even better- no PR has to claim on D1, so least info given to Scum still. In fact, if we do NOT get lynched it'd be relatively worse than lynching us now, because Scum will know where NOT to shoot.

Conclusion: More votes on us, please. It's your best option currently, unless you think you can lynch ACTUAL SCUM and with CONFIDENCE.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Prism what do you think of my townread on you?

I think you shouldn't share townreads so readily

And YET you ask me to?????? BRILLIANT!!

~A50

[Almost Chara]

...it's a a bad idea to lynch a VT claim on D1...

everyone, we can just kill this now and end the Day

What? And kill the conversation already? Naaah! Just put us @L-2 and make an announcement that we are today's lynch regardless, and then keep the day going for as long as it could. Finishing the day NOW doesn't give any associative info from our flip (nor from elsewhere). Let's keep talking.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Conclusion: More votes on us, please. It's your best option currently, unless you think you can lynch ACTUAL SCUM and with CONFIDENCE.

This a fake pile of shit.

AC is almost certainly scum. They are inviting votes so that people think they are town, not worried about losing the game if they are lynched.

Is this still momo?? If so, you're about to rediscover the game of Mafia from a totally new perspective

~ A50

[Almost Chara]

Why what?

Why do you feel my questioning of you is scummy

Read my post above that one.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Almost Chara - I didn't really love Chara's opening but I didn't hate it. I think Almost claiming VT instantly is probably more likely to be a town move (takes away a fakeclaim from scum for basically no reason) although I obviously don't believe that he's doing it because we're "oh so scary". Might be a stronger townread if I had any idea what he was doing at all.

Now THAT is Mastina for sure. I'll explain what I was doing later.. or you can wait till end game and look into the hydra PT.

Anyway, The Wood Cutters are TOWN. 11 more slots to sort.

P-edit:

Sorry. Confused you with Infinity. My bad.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

OK, I guess I can explain now:

I claimed to bait The Wood Cutters so that I can get a read there. Looking at the players list this looks like the strongest slot as either alignment, and I wanted to make sure they're on OUR side.

The claim was precisely to bait Mastina (she knows my play better than anyone in this game), and it worked.

I would have expected Scum!Mastina to push me further. Why? Because (as Scum) she would know 100% I'm Town already, and in her experience I lie much more as Town that I do as Scum, so she would have been alerted to me being a PR and trying to chase away a NK.

Town!MAstina though (according to what I was thinking) would have to think: EITHER TPR trying to avoid the NK, OR Scum trying to avoid getting lynched/investigated. THEN she would have to try and sort me out ASAP to decide on whether I'm worthy of her protection from a lynch or if I'm well worth her vote. I didn't see her going for the much more simple deduction she did, but still, not pushing me while knowing I do lie as Town makes her Town IMHO. (If you beg to differ, save it. I've just locked my read on that slot).

Now for whoever does have a brain; faking VT as Scum in this game is the worst thing I could have every done. I'm not dumb enough to get caught in a lie on N1. I only lie -as scum- when I absolutely have to.. i.e. when it benefits me, and I can't see anything fruitful for me from claiming a VT unprompted on D1. That only leaves you between me really being a VT or a lying TPR, so if we have a Role Cop it might be a good idea for them to check us. If not, then I guess time will tell (probably when we return a guilty "of some sort" on someone or another).

~A50

[Almost Chara]

P.S. I feel it;s going to be impossible to fake anything and get it past The Wood Cutters. Between them 3 they have seen almost everything I'm capable of, so I'm going to come clean: We're just a mere VT

This comment seems to be the basis for the wagon that's forming on Almost Chara. I think someone criticised it for assuming The Wood Cutters are town but I think that's dumb because it's possible to assume someone is town for the sake of a hypothetical scenario without assuming they're town in the game. What I don't understand is why they'd comment on how hard it would be to fake things with town!WC in the game, since that seems like a scum!Almost versus town!WC scenario, which town!Almost shouldn't need to worry about? But I'm also having a hard time buying that scum!Almost would just write up what they're worried about as scum and post it in the game thread. So I'd really just like some clarification from Almost Chara about wtf they were trying to say.

More stuff later.

-- Postie

Another Town slot detected. That line of thought is 100% Town, with the skepticism and all.

For the explanation, refer to #294 just above.

~A50

P.S. Yes, I'm handing out TRs like cookies. Deal with it!

[Almost Chara]

I obviously don't believe that he's doing it because we're "oh so scary"

Why not? It definitely read that way to me.

I don't think you guys are arrogant, I just didn't like that gin wanted me to vote nancy and wasn't really explaining why.

If Almost genuinely believed that we would figure him out, then claiming early makes absolutely no sense (since we wouldn't let him get run up to claim, presumably). Neither Gin and I have the experience with him that justifies him going "oh you three are so scary" instead "oh mastina you're so scary".

It was my way to test YOU, Mastina. I'm only familiar of Nacho/Gin's play in general, but not enough to set a reaction test on either that would return me a read with any degree of confidence. I'm more familiar with your critical thought process though, which inspired me to run this little test.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Oh, so it's Nacho posting. My bad.

Now what do you think of the explanation? The test was indeed intended for Mastina, and that's why I wanted to know whom I was talking to.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

UNVOTE:

That explanation is good enough for me

Still want to know why you got scum pings from my initial push, almost.

I was trying to get you off my back. I was fully concentrating on the TWC slot and didn't want to be distracted, yet I didn't/couldn't have explained what I was doing beforehand. It would have nullified my effort and voided the whole purpose of it.

Seriously though, it does "bug" me (doesn't auto-earn you a SR, but it really bugs me) when you (or anyone) jump in my way while I'm trying to figure out someone else. It's an unneeded distraction at best at that precise time.

I'm willing and ready now though, so if you have any questions for me go ahead. I will answer them all to the best of my ability.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

If I'm honest, it has that aftertaste of it being a gambit and I don't see it being a scum!gambit, moreso a mastina!gambit that would come from town her. You say that ya'll are close or something so I can see the parallel to say it was a town!gambit, so town!Almost.

You either need to ISO Mastina in Steven Universe II (HUGE ISO, but search Almost50/Almost/A50), OR you can simply talk to her in your hydra PT. Mastina modded Gistou shortly before we played together in SU II, and I believe she was in a hydra playing in Soccer Spirits (although if I remember correctly they were NK'd on N1). Oh, and most recently she also replaced in with me in WWE (I was Scum in both SS & WWE, and was Town in both Gistou & SU II).

Generally speaking, I'd say Mastina is one of the players who CAN read me well (and believe me, it's not an easy task because I do look scummy when I'm Town and vise versa). Others may include Frozen Angel, Titus, and maybe RC. Sorry if I missed someone else who has a high chance of reading me as either alignment.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Why did you think that suspicion of me would get me off your back?

Well, it was good a "try" as anything. I really didn't know what to do and I didn't have much room to wiggle without giving my hand away.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

This conversation going on between Prism and T&B (mostly Postie I presume) is good and healthy, and I have no intention what-so-ever in interfering before both sides are satisfied (or start yelling at each other with empty posts).

However, I fear many other slots are getting free passes and not getting attention at all. Like, can somebody tell me what PenguinPower, Pine have done in this game (Each has only posted once). Can anybody give a read on EmpKing or Nancy? I'm not even mentioning Bork as they're getting replaced, but still that's 5 slots who haven't done much and are totally unreadable (to me at least).

I only have TRs on TWC, T&B, Prism (but don't let that stop you from trying to figure each other out. I don't claim to know either of you to have a confident read on them anyway). I also have Town Lean on Infinity, but that's about all I have for now. I can possibly say it's my fault for not trying harder to figure out Thinkmomo, Dreal or Wraith, but I still need the other 5 slots to get engaged and maybe I will find something to ask of them or of the 3 I still have at null despite them having posted some.

I'm also waiting on NC to weigh in more. If you want details on our individual reads, we both agree TWC is Town and Chara called out the "You're assuming we're Town" even before Nach/Gin said it. We both had the utmost interest in figuring out this slot first and are satisfied with the result.

Chara TRs Prism more than T&B, based on the ongoing argument/duel between them. I had granted T&B a TR before I did Prism, so we have those in reverse, but we basically agree it's likely a TvT for now.

The Town lean on Infinity is mine. I don't think Chara commented on that slot yet. Other than that, we both have no other reads, which is problematic as I certainly can't decide where I would even want to vote next.

Too many words, I know .. in sum: someone who is not currently engaged should join forced with me applying pressure on the totally non-existent slots. Choose one of Pine or PP for starters and we can work our way from there.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

How you get TvT out of this confuses me, in that the only explanations I can see for getting that conclusion are that you're either the allseeing Oracle of Delphi or aren't reading what I'm saying for what it actually contains at all.

I admit I tend ti skim over wall posts for starters, but it's not what YOU say that concerns me when I'm trying to read another slot. It's what THEY say that matters the most.

Like you could be mod-confirmed for all I care, but that doesn't mean everything you say will be spot on. I myself tend to go astray building cases that turn to be total fiction. No offense, but what you say only helps me get a read on you, unless -of course- you say you have a guilty already.

[Almost Chara]

I agree that other spots are getting passes, and I really want more from both Pine and PP and want to engage with TWC, but there's a big reason I'm doing what I'm doing, and handwaving it off as TvT tells me that you either aren't understanding what I'm saying (Which might be my fault for not being concise/efficient) or aren't reading it to begin with.

Mate, I'm not handwaving anything. On contrary, I encourage you to go on. Maybe you can prove me wrong on my initial read of them. I will reread everything and pay more attention when I can get a better look at the whole players list.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Yeah, I'm not liking TWC's interference that disrupted the natural flow of the Prism vs T&B, but I dislike Drealmerz' interfernec even more. You're accusing TWC of the very same thing you did, and while TWC were demanding something from Prism you're just simply throwing a counter on them and not asking for anything from them. Just an accusation that may or may not be right, and could have certainly waited until they're finished with Prism (or vise versa).

Now I want you to explain to me why felt the urge to jump into that puddle uninvited to interrupt my entertainment? As Denzel Washington said in Training Day: "You won't let me read it, so you entertain me with your bullshit."

~A50

P-edit: Oh, really! I'm fine with a OMGUS accusation right now.

VOTE: Drealmerz

Since you're so talented you can call the whole scum team in one go on D1, I'm going to call you on your BS right here and now. Come to me, son. Let's have our own thing going.

[Almost Chara]

sorry that Almost has had to be the one to share my thoughts with the rest of the thread. i'll pull my weight too.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Welcome both CS & RC. I would have voted RC as a greeting except:
a- I'm already voting a Scum read
b- I'm not fully caught up, and I don't want to accidentally lynch RC or put him @ L-1 before I get a chance to interact with him

My my. This game has just got even better, but I'm out of genuine ideas for gambits atm, so I guess I'll just have to figure RC the old traditional way.

[Almost Chara]

Are you usually good at reading RC?

Is anyone? *Sigh*

[Almost Chara]

OK. All caught up (not really, as I skimmed the last 7 pages). Here's for the real work:

drealmerz' entrance was a bit too showy for my liking. That “going for achievements” didn't bode well, but can be overlooked.

Now let's start the interrogation:

I hate RVS generally and wish for it to not exist

1- And how do you propose we should start a game and get it moving?

2- By the end of the first page you had already made TEN posts, and are mostly trolling. WHY?

I'm not gonna lie dreal I'm legit scumreading you already here

-- Postie

but is that because you're townreading my tone and then compensating for fear of being wrong based on In Memory?

3- Too defensive. A simply "why?" would have sufficed.

Spoiler: Sidenote for Postie

and, yes, I'm looking for an answer, did you arrive at your SR on me based on compensating for misreading my tone in a different game?

Okay thanks you're just scum then.
And no.

More votes on dreal please.

-- Postie

I wish you kept the pressure on there.

4- Can you link me with your last couple of TOWN games, please?

5- In 238 You put shade on TWC for having a SR on Pine and exclaiming “from which post”. Which reminded me of your earlier claim that it's scummy to have a TR before page 10. Now I have 4 reservations:

a) If you claim that RVS ended at post #5, how the hell is it scummy to have a TR on -say- page #4? Page #6? Page #9??

b) Why is is scummy to have am early TR but not a SR?

c) You attacked TWC for having a SR (i.e. not a TR which is what you claimed would have been scummy)

d) Prism developed a SR on PP based on ONE post in total, and you didn't seem to address that at all.

Almost Chara - I didn't really love Chara's opening but I didn't hate it. I think Almost claiming VT instantly is probably more likely to be a town move (takes away a fakeclaim from scum for basically no reason) although I obviously don't believe that he's doing it because we're "oh so scary". Might be a stronger townread if I had any idea what he was doing at all.

I hate this entire section. You didn't love it, you didn't hate it, wow, can you be more non-commital before then going on to make a case that they're probably town as weakly as you can? just comes off as "I REALLY want to TR this slot but I've got to make it seem like I'm not as gung-ho about that as I want to be" - like you either know they're town and are prepping for their potential ML or you are their scumbuddy and don't want to help lynch them because you know the momentum on that wagon is at a crucial point and no way are you going to even pretend to be on board with that

And rereading this part feels like you didn't comprehend what Mastina said, so I'll show you where you went astray but won't count it towrads why I SR you anymore.

They were PRECISE. She didn't like CHARA's entrance. That's one head og this hydra. However, they went on to analyze MY display in MY first post. See? “I didn't really love

Chara's

opening” vs “I think Almost claiming VT instantly is probably more likely to be a town move”. So they were null for as long as Chara was posting at the start of the game, but my post gave them a Town lean. That's precision, not “non-commital”.

Btw, that being Nacho not Mastina doesn't change my TR on the slot, but weakens it a bit. I would have been much more confident if that was Mastina because the whole point of that gambit was to see how Mastina would react to me claiming a “VT” because SHE modded Gistou.

SEE THIS THING I DO?! IT'S A GAMBIT! YA!

gambitfail

just no

no

nonono

NO

6- This is unnecessary shading after the fact. The gambit has been explained, dismatled, evaluated and judged already by the intended party (as well as Infinity), so if you're going to reject the explanation you had better offer one of your own.

P.S. I'm also going to disregard my dilike of your interference between TWC & Prism to ask what “they” thought about “his” talk about “her” (Her being Postie). It doesn't bode well with me to interfere in the first place and to ask someone about someone else's cae on a third someone doesn't feel genuine either, but I'm disregrading for fear of being conf!biasing already.

7- HOWEVER, 408 is starting to border on ridiculousness. As you are starting to answer on behalf of Prism too. It's as if you KNOW his alignment AND his INTENTIONS too. I do get that Prism himself said that will get back to TWC's concern, but your phrasing gives unnatural assertion, so I'll only ask you this once: Are you guys Masons?!

pine, and other players, please

GET IN THE GAME

cause I think the scumteam is:

Tea&Biscuits
TheWoodCutters
AlmostChara

so unless that is right and they want to surrender (just put a @mod bolded "/bow & surrender to almighty townies") , we need more ppl giving views and content

8- I am still amazed at your attentive perception. You must be REALLY good to have found all 3 of them.. erm.. us... on D1

Word of advise: Hydrae are bound to give you mixed vibes. There are different people with different playstyles talking from the same slot. The only hydra you didn't SR was Thinkmomo and that's because momo has been carrying it mostly so far.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

@Infinity It is scummy because it shows Postie is thinking about reads rather than having them. She hasn't made them up yet.
Second point asked and answered. And it is not the exact question asked.

this is... ludicrous. you have to think about and put effort into reads before you make them. they don't just show up fully formed in your head. seriously.

i get so lazy in this hydra. Almost is far too nice for his own good.
catching up now. not skimming, catching up. see you all soon. ;>
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

alright! i'm now actually caught up, 100%.

drealmerz, Tea and Biscuits, ThinkMomo, and Wraith are my best scumreads. i know Almost is TRing T&B, but at least we agree on dreal. i'm least confident in the Wraith scumread.
Bork was one, until Shepard replaced in. Shepard is town and i will not be lynching them today.

i'll still argue that Tea and Biscuits didn't scumslip. but i'm not going to let this weak scumslip issue stop them from being pushed, because i think they're scum.
it's unimaginably simple to accidentally mix up town and scum when typing a post. i do it a lot. it doesn't mean anything. knowing that, Postie's reaction to the post looked genuine. i don't think that means anything for their alignment, because anyone would react that way in my opinion.

dreal, i won't pretend to have a lot of meta on you, but what i have makes me believe you're scum here.

i've left plenty of notes in the hydra PT, but dumping them all here doesn't seem especially useful.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Shepard: what did you want me to address about the post calling us scum?
i do have reasons, it might be prudent to

ask

for them. i mentioned them because of players want more from me, it exists.

i don't understand the last line in 753, can you rephrase it?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

ThinkMomo is scum for reasons beyond ThinkBig lurking.
216 is one. where do you have meta on Almost, momo, that can support this? because Almost always plays like this. it's one thing if you said it looked like Almost trying to replicate his usual attitude, but that's not what you said.
218 mentions post flip analysis but i don't think i've seen momo mention a single other slot besides us. who exactly is going to be analyzed on an Almost Chara scumflip?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

you didn't answer my first question.
as for this post (762): i never said that. i said there were a lot of notes in the PT, so just posting all of them cold wouldn't be useful. it's a waste of my time to paraphrase things that no one would care about. if you have questions about how i came to a read, try asking me. it's a lot more conducive to good communication than assuming i won't provide any explanation or thought process.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Drealmerz has a scumread on your slot.
Almost50 head said (paraphrase) don't scumread us we're a hydra.

Tell me what specifically about Drealmerz scumread is wrong from your POV. What makes it bad?

if Almost said not to scumread us because we're a hydra, that was likely a joke. could you quote it? i don't usually read Almost's posts carefully. i do remember him saying not to lynch us because we're a VT, but that's it.

i'm not scumreading dreal because of his scumread on our slot. Almost did something at the beginning of the game that would definitely garner some votes and suspicion, and Almost in general is just that kind of player.
what drew my attention with dreal was outlined by nancy at 591 and nearby posts. i know how town dreal is from previous games and this dreal looks different. besides that, his play.
posts like 272, specifically where he says he doesn't want to make assumptions... i don't like the caution there. plus, calling out fence-sitting (when TWC is talking about us) is such an easy thing to do. dreal must know that town players are allowed to have mixed feelings since they, you know, don't know the alignments of the others.
638 is a post i noted as agreeing with.
there's more, i don't feel like casing dreal right this second.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Shepard: the effort of doing what you're asking is telling me no.
but fine, i'll paraphrase, i suppose if i just copy what i already said it won't take very long.

Tea and Biscuits: Postie's tone is constantly bothering me. the way she often says she can't explain something but just feels the read. being unable to explain a read because you just

feel

it is something that happens to town, sure, but the way Postie has been repeating it just looks like scum thinking they can replicate that. and it keeps happening. it doesn't feel genuine.
initially they started to feel more town due to Shepard's push on the slip, but i explained why i later came to the conclusion the interaction was NAI.

Wood Cutters: Almost's read from his mastina test is enough for me. my notes are just me agreeing with some of their posts.

Infinity: we agree on a lot of things. the way he butts into things is actually towny.

Wraith: early posting was terrible. didn't like 285, don't understand why nancy is a better scumread than us, it looks like too easy of a justification when he explains why he chose to vote nancy in this post. the catchup itself is meh, i don't like that he calls it 'stream-of-consciousness', i don't doubt that it is but i think he says that only to call attention to how he's giving unadulterated thoughts in a towny way.

nancy: didn't like their early game, mainly how she responded to mastina's readwall. sort of changed my mind because i was just as dismissive of mastina's style when she was scumreading me in Steven Universe. besides that, i liked nancy calling out dreal, as i mentioned earlier.

Prism: 108 is a very silly post that reads way too much into a (;>) RVS vote. but it's a towny one. didn't like dreal defending Prism against TWC, it felt awkward.
these aren't all the notes, of course. i play in a hydra so i don't have to put every tiny thought into the thread right away.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

734

Point 8 @Chara head of Almost Chara

that wasn't 'don't SR us because we're a hydra', that was because dreal's whole scumlist was hydrae and it looked odd to Almost.

why did your paraphrase of that completely remove the context?
~Chara

pedit: i don't have anything on RC in my notes, so he wasn't included. but from what i've seen just from reading tonight, i would put him at townish. do you want me to look at him in-depth?

[Almost Chara]

i'm completely at a loss on where the votecount stands. does anyone have a better grasp?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

unofficial VC

Tea and Biscuits

(2): Empking, Commander Shepard

Almost Chara

(2): ThinkMomo, Drealmerz

Drealmerz7

(2): Almost Chara, RadiantCowbells

ThinkMomo

(2): nancy, The Wood Cutters

Wraith

(2): Tea and Biscuits, Infinity

Pine

(1): Wraith

Not Voting

(2): Pine, Prism

[Almost Chara]

i don't do pre-flip associations on day 1. they're both independently scummy. i'd prefer to lynch ThinkMomo at this moment.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

also, there's no reason they can't both be scum. the ThinkMomo vote is from a while ago. there was a point i had four votes. all the other voters were townreads apart from ThinkMomo. just looking at the wagons as they are right now (when ThinkMomo has barely posted recently) isn't looking at the larger picture.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

dreal is a scumread both Almost and i agree on, and Almost made the vote while he was active and i was not. i haven't had a chance to speak with Almost since i caught up only a short while ago, so i don't know his opinion.
i suppose
VOTE: ThinkMomo
won't hurt anything right now, since i think they're scummier.
~Chara

pedit: ;>

[Almost Chara]

251 is the count i'm referring to, Shepard. my memory was off, i was actually townreading dreal at the time. and looking at the quotes, dreal actually voted us somewhat quickly after ThinkMomo did. so the situation isn't precisely what i thought it was.
still, two scum voting together when town players were scumreading us isn't exactly odd.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

posting what?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

why is this an upsetting development for you? why did this sudden ISO change your opinion?
were you SRing Infinity before, or was it entirely a product of your Wraith scumread?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

T&B is lock town I think.

but why.

Postie: again, why is now being more sure of your townread on Infinity a bad thing?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

RC, can you at least gives some reads on the rest of the game before deciding that policying a townread is the best thing to do here?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

i'm still not convinced that my Postie scumread isn't me being a crazy person. half of the posts i dislike are just because i don't like how she's phrasiing things.
well, whatever. Almost is townreading her and so is Infinity, so not lynching her today is fine.

ThinkMomo is still a good lynch. but yes, the lurkers. Pine, if you're lacking time, it's ok to replace out.
also agree with the Wraith scumread.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Drealmerz & RC are! I'm not sure about Thinkmomo, but I don't mind flipping them to find out.

I already presented my case on Dreal. RC though I'll call it a "sinking feeling" for now. The replace out at this precise time right after the Newbie game finished (where he was scum and I called him out but nobody listened) doesn't bode well with me.

Here's the link

Of course I could be wrong and imagining things, but that's how I view things right now anyway.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Well, we sure can take care of the Shepard (written in Italics & pink ) problem. I don't want to go through the same shit myself, and that's why I've been ignoring them.

[Almost Chara]

Why would he have had to wait for that to finish. He already knew his alignment before that point; unlike the other players.

I appreciate the points against Think, particularly Woodcutters(?) meta point, but post 277 is the towniest post in the game by far.

1- Read the post-game section. I totally forgot he was already in another game with me (this one) and bragged about having been able to guess his alignment correct in 2 back-to-back games and made a wish for a third, and he immediately replaced out from this one.

2- Post 277 is utter crap if momo knows anything at all about me (and he claims to do).

~A50

[Almost Chara]

GDI!! The reason nobody listened in that Newbie game was "RC is too good to make that slip". Stop assuming Alignment!X will do/not do this or that and play the game of Mafia. Mafia is basically a game of what you do IN THIS GAME and why you might have done it. Meta is just an accessory to strengthen or weaken the read OF NEEDS BE, but it's nothing conclusive on it's own.

Anyway, it's now either TM or RC for me. If EITHER flips red I'm going after BOTH nancy and Postie (T&B). The reasoning is in the hydra PT for now, but I'm fairly confident. (Confident enough to drive a lynch on either nancy/Postie before RC/TM if I could. My problem is I'm still weak in constructing cases and making people follow them, so I'll take the TM lynch first to use the Mod-confirmed flip afterwards as it would no longer be "working under the assumption"; i.e. the alignment cannot be refuted).

[Almost Chara]

^~A50 (obviously)

[Almost Chara]

No, the argument is that postie was directly answering your question, there's no way it was a slip.

What the freak are you even talking about. The slip I'm referring to was RC slipping in THE FUCKING NEWBIE GAME. It was dismissed by BOTH Accountant and Drixx based on RC being too good to slip that way (directly assume the BP was shot because there was no NK, rather than consider it being Column A and thus a successful JK).

Please do try to comprehend the arguments presented before you respond.

My point is HERE .. the replacement of RC .. you are arguing ... that it can't be Scum!Motivated .. because Scum!RC is too confident to do that. The similarity is the slip IN THE NEWBIE GAME was also dismissed on the grounds that RC is too good to make that slip.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

I'm talking to shepard.....

But since you brought it up, did RC admit postgame that it was an actual slip? Otherwise it's irrelevant

It's irrelevant to discuss that game in here either way. But since you asked, RC is too proud to admit he slipped. He says it was a calculated post. I beg to differ. It clearly indicated he knew which setup we were playing (the BP had claimed, so if they were 12 goons then a Tracker is in play, if they had a RB then a JK was in play. Town would not have been able to tell before I outed myself, but scum KNEW it was the Tracker version, and seeing as RC was the one to call for the BP to claim at the game start we now know this is what he was trying to accomplish in hindsight. Since he knew what setup it was he subconsciously slipped. Him saying it was calculated was because they didn't actually submit a kill on N1, so -while being deceitful- it still was a slip to assert we were playing with a Tracker and not a JK).

GDI! Sorry for the numerous hydra slips, everyone. (Oh, but it was not a skip. It was a calculated ego post!)

[Almost Chara]

As my first post suggests, I'm Queen Victoria.

And you decided to claim now because... ?

~A50

[Almost Chara]

@Shepard (who is not the person everybody -including me- "know" they are): I often make some unsubstantiated assumptions, and one that I recently made is "if someone can type they can also read". Based on that assumption I believe you can reread my posts to find your answer. (Again, I'm assuming someone who could read once can read twice).

Now I'm going to limit my exchanges with you to a minimum because you remind me so much of that person "that does not exist and is not you", and knowing that person "that does not exist and is not you" they just lock their thoughts around one thing and then that person "that does not exist and is not you" can never be convinced otherwise. Knowing that you're not that person "that does not exist and is not you" hardly makes any difference because you are acting like that person "that does not exist and is not you", and thus any interaction with you is a waste of my breath and sanity.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Shepard. it was a grammar slip. not a Freudian slip. and you aren't

listening to that simple fact

, nor even entertaining it, which is why players are getting frustrated and not listening to you.

actual scumslips are accidentally revealing knowledge only scum would know. accidentally posting in the wrong thread. accidentally messing up a claim and revealing the lie. not mixing up two words that are typed so often and in such quantities in a mafia game that it's very easy to slip.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

it wasn't a strategic replace out. RC replaced out due to personal conflicts involving players in the game. it's NAI.
...yes, i'm disagreeing with my hydra partner. it happens sometimes. :>
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Hmmm.. deliberating with Chara is GOOD as it makes me rethink some stuff. Their arguments ESPECIALLY when they seem to differ from my views and me trying to rephrase my own arguments make me see things.

There's something that I still don't understand, which is why did both nancy and Postie come to defend RC's slot like that.

However, the reason for that defense might not be as important to me as the argument they used.

In short, I posted the link to that game and it took them both 5 minutes to respond with the claim that I fake softed two guilties in that game.

Fisrt, 5 minutes isn't enough time to even ISO me, and even if it was then certainly not BOTH would have reached the SAME WRONG DEDUCTION.

I replaced into the Newbie game on N1. Scum!RC claimed I softed a guilty on ThinkBig in order to get him lynched. On N2 I Tracked Drixx and I announced he didn't go anywhere on D3, and the game ended ON DAY 3.

So, NO WAY (even if they somehow read the game in 5 minutes) they would have both thought I faked TWO guilties.

My explanation is this:

Since RC knew better, then he probably would not have fed his own scum team false info. So who did? THINKBIG. He was the other one in that game and he thought I faked a guilty on him, and he blamed me post-game, so he is the one who told them about that game.

When? Long before I had provided the link in this game thread.

Why? Because while momo was pushing me with weak sauce (I've never seen him play like that) it was THINKBIG who got paranoid by my VT claim. Scum tried to evaluate that claim to see if it was true (being scum they already know I'm Town, but whether I'm really a VT is what they were trying to figure out). ThinkBig told them about the Newbie game proceedings from his own PoV, and that's how BOTH thought they were telling the right narrative.

Again: I don't know why they would defend RC. RC cannot be pocketed, and he had already requested to replace out (which is why the whole subject was brought up my me in the first place), so I have absolutely no explanation why they would do that.

But that's besides the point. The point is: WRONG NARRATIVE .. TWO SLOTS ... SHORT TIME = Most probably were fed the info through the same source, and that source is most likely ThinkBig.

So, I'm proud to call Thinkmomo, Tea & Biscuits AND nancy: the 3 partners in crime in this game.

Now, do I even care if anyone believes me? Absolutely not. I'm fairly satisfied to have called the scum team. Whether the Town players are willing to lynch them one after one is totally up to them. The Newbie game may have ended in a scum win but I personally will call it a personal win, because I DID call the scumsters (both of them) in that one too and it was Town!Accountant, Town!TB (on D2) and Town!Drixx (on D3) who opposed me, so totally not my fault that my calls were spot on and they didn't listen.

Chara independently had called out Thinkmomo and has placed our vote there. Being one of the 3, I totally have no reason to move the vote.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

PLEASE... before anybody starts calling BS and stuff.. go check the Newbie game (and don't forget to time yourselves in the process). THEN come back and say whatever you feel like saying.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

did i explain it that well? i was just frustrated and ended up being more prickly than i wanted to be, rereading it now. apologies, Shepard.

i'm not entirely caught up on the pages from today, so i'll do that.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Why does it feel like the game has stalled some? There's no "real" new content to comment on or engage in.

@Wraith: How well do you know dreal'z play? I could be persuaded to go back there; although I now prefer Thinkmomo over anyone else.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

predominantly? so is there more?

are you telling me your biggest ping in this game is our VT claim?
what's your read on ThinkMomo, or Wraith? if you're interested to consolidate, who are your actual biggest scumreads?
~Not Chara

[Almost Chara]

TWC: It's down to 277. It matches so precisely what I was thinking that I don't think it could come from scum. Particularly, because that sort of thing - whether a scum or town gambit; and scum would know which - would have a much different internal reaction than town would; either glee or horror.

i want to nitpick this.

it's a pretty simple opinion, not hard to 'precisely' match, let alone vaguely match, that the call from Almost to vote us is fake. town could certainly think this, and scum could certainly see this and think to push it.
i don't find the tone in that post particularly indicative of anything. why couldn't scum say this?

why choose to consolidate on us instead of going after T & B with more of a case?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Empking, i was townreading you earlier for some opinions, but too many of your reads look surface-level. as if you aren't thinking too hard about it, or aren't worried about being wrong despite your reads coming from very specific events in the game. i mainly can't process the ThinkMomo townread even after your explanation.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Inb4 someone tells me that Thinkmomo replacement is also NAI:

momo posted in this thread less than 4 hours ago, and in this one 3 hours ago, so it's not like momo site flaked.

People had already established that TB's scum meta is to lurk it out, so I guess momo simply couldn't handle the situation on his own and white flagged. Otherwise there is absolutely no reason for him to walk away and not even bother requesting a replacement.

This is a CONFIRMED scum slot. 100% .. 10 out of 10. 24/7

~A50

[Almost Chara]

never did Almost claim Think flaked because momo flaked. i don't appreciate your attempt to obfuscate what Almost was saying.
his idea was that Thinkbig was lurking because he's scum, and momo wasn't happy with the situation and so lurked it out as well due to being left alone.

i don't find any of that particularly ugly. sure, flaking is annoying, but it's not reprehensible to lurk.

my reasons for scumreading ThinkMomo aren't activity related, but momo posting in other games and not here is telling as well.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

@Infinity: Forgot?? That's what prodding is for. Why didn't he bother responding to the prod?

Also, I will never tire from stating this simple fact: Town will always lose because Town volunteer to provide scum with excuses and doubtcast cases on them.

I feel like the stats should differentiate between a Town win and a Scum loss and vise versa. Of the top of my head I'd say Town wins 25% of the time, and Scum wins another 25%. The remaining 60% is a Scum loss in 10% and Town loss in 40%, so it appears to be scum are winning 65% of the time while in fact it's the case for TOWN forfeiting the game and handing them to scum rather than scum actually being good enough to earn their win.

Inb4: someone says I'm confirming Infinity. I'm merely TRing him, and adopting that PoV while addressing him. If Infinity flips scum then this whole post is mute and worthless.

P-edit: You has stupidity and conf!bias combined. that's what you have. Get ready to rediscover how bad you are in this game once more.

[Almost Chara]

oh is it frustrating to receive such a nice compliment in this context. you aren't going to see me engaged and fighting in every game, farside. especially not when i hydra with Almost! you know me from one game. you know that someone can't be 100% engaged in every game they're in. frankly, it's impossible.
this game is boring right now. i'm working with Almost on PoE. and this summary of my play this game feels like it's missing that i have analyzed other slots besides ThinkMomo. and as i keep having to repeat, i'm not scumreading momo due to lurking. the recent lurking that came more recently is just an addition to my problems with the slot.

i have to disagree with your TWC scumread as well. for the most part that's Almost's conclusion, but i agree with the way he went about it and nothing the slot has done has bothered me. it's like both of your scumreads are based on your disliking that

someone

is scumreading ThinkMomo, than the players themselves. momo has content from when they posted, TWC has other content and considering how confident Gin was in the Thinkbig meta it's not surprising that they would vote there.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

of course you're not seeing me pry. my scumreads aren't posting.
the most interesting thing to happen in thread recently was you making a post and Empking's shaky vote on our slot.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

what am i lacking in trying to understand with momo?
ignoring the lurking, i'm talking about their posts. i can't talk

to

momo because he isn't here. so i read into his posts, those are what i have to work with.
i have several townreads. i'm not looking for scum there. the pool of players i'm looking at are the ones i'm unsure about, and the ones that don't have enough to read them with, like Pine.

if you say i'm not trying to understand, tell me who i'm not trying to understand. you said it was because my best scumread is a lurker, that's because there's just no towny content from momo that i can see. and my hydra partner agrees with me. i can't understand and talk through things with players who aren't here right now. i was busy, then by the time i caught up everyone else was busy or replacing out. you know i need to talk to players to get them.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

again i appreciate that you have such a good opinion of me, but you've not read a single one of my scumgames so i don't appreciate the meta read. and i feel like i'm being judged to an unfair standard because of it.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Postie: did you have a read on Pine?

dreamls, shadowez, chara

i can probably sort shadowez correctly with a glance at his post, chara prob too i hope

hello Cloud!
i can't remember any games i've played with you beyond Backstabbers. if i'm forgetting any, tell me. what makes you think that one towngame could give you enough to read me by meta?

These are both unsatisfactory and scum behavior, the first in particular. Pressure is fine, but I want to emphasize this goes beyond pressure to whole fabrication. If you want to shift gears and explain what you found town in posts that you

made a case for being scummy on

, by all means go for it, but I have a hard time believing that you consider extended fabrication of entire thought processes, reads, and reactions to others to be town play with the goal of success in mind.

"Extended fabrication"? I pointed out what I thought was scummy or potentially scummy, called him scum for it, and just didn't go into the possible counterarguments against those things which were making me doubt my read. I wasn't lying about my reasons for seeing him as potential scum; I just pretended to have more confidence in them than I did.

Does that make more sense?

-- Postie

can you point out what you actually found towny about dreal's posting that prompted you to drop the scumread after he responded to your pressure? specific posts would help.

VOTE: unvote

I have a very baaaaaaaaad feeling about this.

Something feels wrong in my gut and I can't identify what.

do you know what it is about our wagon that's making you uneasy?

Shaddow's posts look pretty shallow to me so far and I may want to vote him instead of wraith. He can be lynchbait as town but I don't think he's this shallow.

i might be biased, but i agree here. i don't like the Wraith vote with the reasoning shaddow gave. as Wraith did respond, it doesn't really make sense for scum Wraith to try and misdirect from his own active lurking by pointing out other lurkers, because the obvious contradiction doesn't make that very credible. and it feels like it's ignoring Wraith when he later says that he disbelieved Infinity's miller claim at first, but changed his mind later because he liked Infinity's posting.
my other problem with that 1083 is it ignores why i'm scumreading Thinkmomo entirely, and reduces the case to 'they're just lurking' when that isn't what i've been saying at all.
i've never played with shaddowez, but why is he lynchbait and not shallow in the games you've played with him?

@ the chara head: if you expect me to believe you magically have town reads you trust without a question or without asking question to them, you flipping nuts.

farside, are you really sitting here and telling me that you don't believe i can have townreads from reading the game? you say that like it's impossible.

you

have town and scumreads from a catchup. how'd you manage that without actually talking to all of those players? /sarcasm
you're being ridiculous and you say i'm not trying to understand people, but here you are making up your mind about me without even asking

why

i have the townreads i do. it's day 1, there's no way i'm trusting any players without question but in the end you have to make decisions and use the reads you have to figure out the best lynch.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

@chara did you change your posting style because of the hydra signing stuff?

what do you mean by changing my posting style?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

i've never played with shaddowez, but why is he lynchbait and not shallow in the games you've played with him?

Honestly it's just something I remember thinking and I don't remember exactly why. But last game I played with scum!him he was also quite shallow.

This is the last (maybe only?) towngame I played with him.

viewtopic.php?t=68158&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

oh, i was actually in this game. i remember nothing because it was terrible. i wouldn't meta this game. but thank you for the answer.
well, if you don't have anything else i suppose it's fine. i'll just read shaddow based on this one.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Im asking this because the only time i hydra i felt like it made me post bigger because i was annoyed at signing everytime

hm. i don't do it purposefully, and i certainly don't mind signing. i suppose hydraing with Almost does make me post less frequently. though that last quote-post was because it would be annoying to make so many separate posts.
when i play by myself, i just do what i like. i hydra with Almost to try something different. it just feels like a different game when i use this account. mainly because i have a hydra PT to vent in instead of the main thread.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

That's so cute.
You know I've been playing a lot longer then you.

All those low hanging fruits your attacking and no one else looks scummy?
That's not town you by a long shot. Not after seeing scum able to be active too.

what is with you this game? even if you think i'm scum, i feel like i'm being insulted/condescended to.

do you even know who my scumreads are? what are the active players that i 'should' be attacking, farside? i explained why i'm townreading TWC. Infinity as well. and Prism.
your experience has nothing to do with how you are just not qualified to read me, so please stop acting like i'm a child. the only player in this game who i'd accept a meta read from is hydraing with me.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

CloudKicker: ...i'm townreading Infinity. where did you get the impression i wasn't?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

You misread, farside implied you went after low hanging fruits and i said infinity wasnt

i still don't understand. farside said i'm scumreading low-hanging fruit and you said infinity wasn't one of those... what does infinity have to do with it? i didn't go after him.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Shadow replaced RC...hmm. I don't really think RC would play like this as scum and I want to give weight to nancy's soulread.

RC didn't get to playing before replacing out for personal reasons. an NAI replace-out. and nancy said that she wouldn't have a confident townread in RC until he started playing the game.
i would just read shaddowez from here and form conclusions that way.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Sorry I truly cannot play.

{CS}
{Infin, T&B}
{AC, Emp, TM}
{Wraith}
{}
{Pine, Prism}
{dreal, TWC}
{RC}

Mod replace me.

UNVOTE:

Infinity, this was nancy's last post. and earlier she said she wasn't actually confident in the townread. it obviously does not make RC scum but i don't see why you're trusting a read nancy didn't even have.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Hes not voting shadow either, he just said he wanted to awknowledge it

Infinity said he didn't really want to scumread shaddow because of nancy's soulread on RC. i'm saying that the soulread isn't something nancy believed in in the first place, and Infinity should just scumhunt shaddow.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

ThinkMomo is scum for reasons beyond ThinkBig lurking.
216 is one. where do you have meta on Almost, momo, that can support this? because Almost always plays like this. it's one thing if you said it looked like Almost trying to replicate his usual attitude, but that's not what you said.
218 mentions post flip analysis but i don't think i've seen momo mention a single other slot besides us. who exactly is going to be analyzed on an Almost Chara scumflip?
~Chara

i read momo's posts. i didn't like them. besides these quotes i don't see a town mindset from momo's posting, i see them picking something easy to stick on and not pushing any any slots or trying to figure out any players.
now would everyone please stop pretending that my case on them is activity? i mentioned momo's activity in other games because he was posting here and then stopped. in fact i regret doing it because it caused what i've said i didn't like about momo's

content

to be missed.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

TWC: It's down to 277. It matches so precisely what I was thinking that I don't think it could come from scum. Particularly, because that sort of thing - whether a scum or town gambit; and scum would know which - would have a much different internal reaction than town would; either glee or horror.

i want to nitpick this.

it's a pretty simple opinion, not hard to 'precisely' match, let alone vaguely match, that the call from Almost to vote us is fake. town could certainly think this, and scum could certainly see this and think to push it.
i don't find the tone in that post particularly indicative of anything. why couldn't scum say this?

why choose to consolidate on us instead of going after T & B with more of a case?
~Chara

Empking, i was townreading you earlier for some opinions, but too many of your reads look surface-level. as if you aren't thinking too hard about it, or aren't worried about being wrong despite your reads coming from very specific events in the game. i mainly can't process the ThinkMomo townread even after your explanation.
~Chara

this is relevant too. you could make the case that ThinkMomo is just null due to lack of content, but townreading them so hard off of one post, a simple post that is easy to make? i don't like it.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

where did i address you?
multiple people have said the ThinkMomo scumread is entirely activity based.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Chara, why is prism town?

PEdit: oh. I thought it was just farside but ok

their push on us at the beginning doesn't look like a scum-push. it's out of the gate and silly, reads into an RVS vote, and certainly wouldn't hold up over a long period of time. looked more like town trying too much.
i agree with their issues with T&B.
and their reaction to Almost's posting is one i've had in the past too. i like the way they've explained themselves and i can see their thought processes from start to finish. even if i don't agree with their conclusions (such as their Empking townread) i see where they're coming from. in short, i don't have any problems with the slot.
there's also Prism's townreading us after my posting. i've considered if they want to oppose a lynch on us for towncred, but considering they already had a perfectly good scumread on our slot that's littered all over their ISO, dropping it instead of just letting the lynch happen looks more town than scum.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Why almostchara is scum.
First you have the catch up from almost which is pretty useless nothing of value to offer

I stop reading after this. as it's utterly false. I did set the test for my read on TWC (Mastina in particular) in there and it did return me a result soon after. The fact you don'r agree or even don't understand doesn't make any less use

ful

.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

By the by chara would have stopped the argument or tried to understand both parties pic as town.

the hell, farside. do you see me posting anywhere there? the post you linked there of Almost's has him giving my opinion because i'm not there to post.

you don't know my meta.

stop pretending you know me so well because both of us were frustrated with Titus in Steven Universe. you haven't even tried reading my other games to get a better read.
you're not engaging with me. you're ignoring me. you're not asking me about my reads, you're not addressing me.
you even say you might be biased and then shrug your shoulders as if it has nothing to do with you.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

NOPE

I'm pretty set on a TM/fitz-slot lynch at this point. And considering how momentum is moving and that we only have 3 days remaining, it's looking like the lynch today will either be me or TM/fitz-slot.

Also Almost is a pretty great candidate for scum. IMO they'll flip the opposite alignment TM/fitz-slot flips. Their recent posts are going after them hard and I'm not feeling a hardcore bus at this point would be wise while I'm an easy alternative target.

what?
Wraith how are you set on havingfitz flipping scum and in the same breath say we're also likely scum, because we'll flip the opposite alignment to them? do you not actually think havingfitz is scum at all then?
how does town have this thought without questioning it?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Maybe I'm bias and expect better from chara but I doubt it.

you're biased.
if you were scum you would at least be paying lip service to trying to understand me. you'd pretend to ask me about my feelings. i'm almost insulted that you're not even doing it as town here.
nancy was towny, now farside is bad town.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

I have interacted.
My interaction is more about love and peace and being sad your scum.

that is not an interaction or an attempt to understand me, that's deciding i'm scum before you've even spoken to me and then being 'nice' about it. you know what hurts? that. you know how it feels to be told i'm 'better than this'? shitty.

earlier you were utterly

shocked

that i had townreads from reading the game. that's just ridiculous. you were shocked i was townreading players from looking at their posts in the thread, instead of interrogating every single one before i could make up my mind.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

i wouldn't care if you had an incorrect scumread on us. it happens. but the simpering is driving me up the wall.
~Chara

pedit: yeah, no shit. the players i haven't spoken to are the ones that haven't been posting since i flipping caught up.

[Almost Chara]

And those dreadful points they made where they didn't ask anything of the player they are calling scum?

758 has two questions attached to each point that momo never answered because they flaked.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

i can't start a dialogue if my scumreads keep replacing out or getting caught in catch-up limbo.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Or the one where they tell players to please continuing the infighting because that's so helpful.

now how on earth do you know Prism and T&B are both town?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

And those dreadful points they made where they didn't ask anything of the player they are calling scum?

ROTFL.. you sure need to either learn to read or learn to express yourself better. Probably BOTH.

You quoted my case on Drealmz, and you didn't like the first 3 points. Yes?

I "didn't" ask him for an alternative to RVS in the 1st point. Correct?
I "didn't" ask why he was trolling with 10 empty posts on the opening page in the 2nd. Yes?

Furthermore; in my 4th point I "didn't" ask to be linked to his latest couple of town games. True?
5-a & 5-b also do not end in question marks, do they?

Now Chara asked to be nice to you regardless, so I'm going to comply out of courtesy. Your push still makes no sense what-so-ever and the more you push the more you look .. erm .. less clever. I see no point in engaging with you any further, so this will be the last post addressing you signed by A50.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

@ALL TOWN PLAYERS:

Even id we do end up lynched; PLEASE LYNCH HAVINGFITZ NEXT. Scum are trying their best save him, which only tells me this slot is not just "any" scum slot, but of most importance to them.

[Almost Chara]

^A50

[Almost Chara]

Where in that sentence did I say that?
Not that I see either as scum but in fighting is bad in general for the game

Case in point look at Steven universe.

how is town supposed to figure out who scum is if they can't argue with and press that scum?
you can't play mafia without disagreement. i'd only step in on a fight if i had strong reasons to believe both parties are town.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

I feel the team is AC/TWC/T&B.

TWC one thing that makes me hesistant is your lack of signing. Can you please sign your posts?

VOTE: Almost Chara

Too little time for much else and I have to go find reapers in India.

You are my biggest ??????
You went to vote a.c., changed due to but and bored for them again.
Why?

Because reading this exchange makes me pretty certain that is TvS and you are likely the T side of that equation.

Also

mark this post

, because Shepard will most likely NOT push farside after we flip. It's just an excuse to put back their vote on us to try and save Fitz.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Here is my biggest question for you a.c..

If tm/fitz is town then where are you with reads and Why?

if we're wrong and they're town then i'd say drealmerz is still scum, maybe likelier scum with a havingfitz townflip.
Wraith would then be the person i TR least on the wagon, mainly because the others are TWC and us, but Wraith is still someone i'm not sure on and while i've liked some of his later content the last post of his makes zero sense to me, so there's either a major problem there and he's scum or Wraith is town and mistyped.

more recently i have some problems with empking's Wraith vote. and i really don't like Tea and Biscuits.
other than that the townreads i have the least confidence in are CloudKicker and yourself.
~Chara

pedit: but i think Shepard is town.

[Almost Chara]

Because reading this exchange makes me pretty certain that is TvS and you are likely the T side of that equation.

i'll never understand this logic. how do you tell if something is TvS?
i can understand being able to read for TvT and SvS, that's it. what about an exchange can tell you if it's TvS?

normally you would just think that 'farside is town and AC is scum'. not 'this is TvS, and farside is

probably

the town there, but it's possible AC is the town.' as if you can read a situation and know that there is definitely 1 scum and definitely 1 town, but don't know which is which?
how do you definitively tell if it's TvS? if one person looks like they're faking it, that person looks like scum, full-stop.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

You telling me only lurkers in this game are scum?

1 - this game is half-lurker, 2 - dreal wasn't a lurker before, 3 - T&B is most certainly not a lurker either.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

pedit: but i think Shepard is town.

So do I, but let's consider both cases:

"Town!player that does not exist and is not in this game" make illogical leaps just to get their tunnel-targets lynched. Tomorrow they will tunnel TWC regardless, and will still call farside town just because far is likely to vote with them.

"Scum!player that does not exist and is not in this game" is simply trying to lynch a TPR (in their mind they do not believe our VT claim). They'll forget everything they said thus far and will have some illogical reasoning to justify it too.

You know what? I'd go further to say I'm willing to bet the game on them tunneling us still if Fitz was lynched today and flipped scum. They'll just call it a bus and keep on tunneling. That's how good "the player that does not exist and is not in this game" is.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Wraith: oh, us being your second-highest scumread makes that make sense, then. in the original post it sounded like you expected havingfitz to flip town.

farside: what's your opinion on Wraith? as he's pushing ThinkMomo slot for lurking and for contributing very little in the times that they did post. i want you to explain this because it might show you where your own bias is.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

@Almost:

If you're confused on what I was trying to say in my last post...

* You're scummy
* But TM/fitz-slot is scummier
* But your attitude toward TM/fitz-slot makes me think you're not the same alignment as him
* Because it's too early to hard-bus a buddy while I'm around as an easy target
* So we lynch TM/fitz-slot
* If he flips scum I'm comfortable with TRing you
* If he flips town we lynch you

I do understand what you're saying. Chara had a problem with the phrasing you used though.

Irrelevant: Now I do understand why RC replaced out. I almost want to do the same, except I've never replaced out before and I'm not going to start now. Hell, maybe I'm a masochist for sticking around to play with BOTH far & Shepard. I could've handled Shepard, but the two of them in one game is a bit too much, so I don't mind us being lynched before Fitz even. Nothing's going to change in D2 with both these slots in the game anyway.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

i did ask, Shepard. i wanted to know how you came to the conclusion you did re: farside and myself.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

As soon as someone suggested I was someone, you decided to discount everything I have said on belief I am this person because it is easy to do.

Two things:

1- By the time I came online, Aris had already edited out the name of "the player that does not exist and is not in this game", so not even ONCE did I see that name in thread. I decided who you "are not bc they do not exist .. etc" on my own.

2- I don't need to factor anything. Your posts in this thread are quite enough for me. Your illogical assumptions, deductions and your tunneling on our slot for no apparent reason other than that you feel like it is reason enough for me to disregard anything you say, and especially so when WE are the target of your tunnel and I know we're not scum.

For example: you assume ours vs far is a TvS, and you assume we are the Scum of the two. First assumption is void from my own PoV because I have no solid read on farside. Second is based on the first, and thus is also void. Your conclusion was that we are scum which we are not. Bad assumption, bad deduction, bad conclusion.
~A50

[Almost Chara]

Tell me something: WHY would you assume this was TvS rather than TvT? What scum motive do you see in either parties posts? Because TvS (for me) means I've decided one party IS scum and ot doesn't look like the other is their p. Just because 2 people are fighting down'r necessarily mean you have scum caught between the two.

A TvT is also when 2 people have 2 genuine contradicting line of thoughts. while SvS is when it feel like busing or a theatre. Now what happens when we do flip Town? Are you going to push far for that? If you do then you're a fool because you are still working on an invalidated assumption that there has to be scum in the 2. If you don't then you are doing exactly what I said you'd do, so you had no reason to object to that post about you.

But do you even THINK before you post? NO. You certainly don't. You just let your mouth (erm.. fingers) run first and then let your mind SUPPORT what you had mindlessly typed already. So tell me again, why should I get invested intellectually with someone who considers their brain a complementary tool to their fingers?????

~A50

[Almost Chara]

I disagree with farside's reasons for scumreading chara, but I don't like chara's response. I do remember scum!chara being a bit more obvious than this (in watchdogs) but maybe I'm wrong. I don't remember why I townread the slot so I still have to ISO them and stuff.

let it be known that in Watch Dogs i purposefully announced i was a traitor. ;> so, i wasn't exactly trying to be low-key. not that that's relevant to this game.
what didn't you like about my response?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

It feels off. Like you're trying to appeal to farside instead of throwing up your hands and calling her a VI or OMGUSing her.

i'm calling her biased and i called her bad town. because she is. i'm not throwing up my hands because even when i'm frustrated, i'll keep fighting. no reason to give up here.

i've also seen scum farside. i've seen her try to appeal to town players, and such. i'm not basing everything on this but her approach here is not similar at all and reminds me a lot more of her in Steven Universe.

why is it bad that i'm approaching this with the intent to play the game, instead of outright ignoring her (throwing up my hands and calling her a VI), or OMGUSing her? (honestly, what?)
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

you really can't explain why my trying to correct a townread on a bad read, instead of acting in an unhelpful way, looks scummy to you? i understand the notion of unreasonable = town but the absence of someone being unreasonable should

not

lead you to thinking someone is scum.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

shaddowez: do you have a read on drealmerz/CloudKicker?

Infinity: do you

know

how town would be different?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

shaddowez: if you've not seen someone as scum, don't make guesses about their scumgame. that's my usual approach to it.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

It feels off. Like you're trying to appeal to farside instead of throwing up your hands and calling her a VI or OMGUSing her.

That's exactly what it was. Chara is genuinely upset about their "friend" farside trying to force the idea that she can read them well, but doesn't want to upset said friend, so is trying to constrain themselves. If you notice I said Chara requested that I be nice to farside still, and that's why I'm letting Chara handle the situation on their own, but it's more of an emotional struggle/conflict between wanting to be nice to a friend and wanting to call their allegations utter bullocks.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

@Shepard:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I thought you were NOT that player that did not exist and is not in this game. Can't you see the irony in you arguing with me about your meta when you don't want me to use your meta in my arguments with you???

You know you can't have your π and eat it too.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Where do you stand with twc currently and why?
They didn't respond to my question and seem to do you pretty hard for little reason back there.
Plus I wonder why you didn't question them.

i've been watching the hydra but nothing they'd done has pinged me or made me wonder, so while i don't have any reason to townread them majorly, i don't have any reason to scumread them either.
Almost is sure they're town, so i'm trusting him. if i see something that contradicts that, i'll make it known.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

i did ask, Shepard. i wanted to know how you came to the conclusion you did re: farside and myself.
~Chara

Intent behind the posting.

Then just say that no need to go into the rest of it.

i need more information. what's farside's intent in her posting? what was mine?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Shepard, i understand the desire to play in an alt, but you've already outed yourself. you can't honestly expect people who know you to ignore that they do.
~Chara

pedit: you've barely posted? that's not a reason

against

a policy lynch.

peditx2: no, you're still not giving enough information. what about farside's posting shows she's interested in reading me? you're being very vague.

[Almost Chara]

He's also using this as a substitute for meaningful content. And that's really the problem I've had with Wraith all game. He's substituting content that moves the game forward with complaining.

i don't really agree. despite Wraith's 'active-lurking' stance, he's still putting out content. i've liked him more as the day has continued. who's townreading him for being frustrated by being mislynched?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Prism, do you have a read on farside?
Infinity: i'd rather not. i like the slot and their progression on us. i do want them to comment more on what they weren't present in the thread for.

[Almost Chara]

well i'd like opinions when i can get them. i'm having difficulties reading her. i can't tell if her attitude is bullheadedness or not.
~Chara (last post was me as well, apologies)

[Almost Chara]

hm. i understand what you mean by objective tells, Infinity. actually i've wanted to use that concept before to describe things but hadn't thought of a good term.
anyways, Prism: less interested in your meta and activity (activity is NAI barring specific circumstances that don't apply to you), and more on your understanding of other players. :>
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

sorry all, i didn't realize neither of us had posted. it's obvious that us or havingfitz will be the lynch. i wanted to go over havingfitz's catchup, but the underlining point is none of it convinced me he isn't scum. there are several points in it that don't show evidence of higher thinking about the game. things like calling out 'contradictions' because Almost and i had a different opinion upon something in the moment, which in a hydra should either be evidence we're actually two thinking people who are considering the game, or scum trying to fake dissonance. fitz hasn't said he thinks we're faking dissonance, and i don't get that sense from his posting, so it doesn't look like he's trying to get into our head, just trying to think of ways he could frame his case.

i may or may not have time tomorrow, so.
on a fitz scumflip, Prism's vote here looks most suspect to me, especially if they believe their vote was really L-1. don't like either of the wagons, little responsibility if one flips town (i recognize that's a product of the clock running down), and there seems to be only a small difference between their read on fitz and the read on us. other than that Prism has looked town, i just don't see what is so towny about fitz. his case on us especially didn't feel like town, so if Prism could explain why they don't agree but still think fitz is coming from a town place, that would be good.
dreal is my best suspect on a fitz townflip, due to the reaction to fitz's claim. on a scumflip i still suspect dreal but maybe confidence is lessened just a bit. reaction to claim could just be a bus attempt, in that case.

TWC, shepard, farside, Wraith are all townreads.
don't like Cloud's shaddowez vote. going to bed, i hope i'm available before day end.

pedit: anyone who suggests lynching us over fitz solely to test an untestable claim that isn't alignment-indicative in the first place, isn't thinking. and they're scum if fitz is scum.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

concentration on 'contradiction' and point-by-point casing makes me confident fitz will flip scum here. there's no real feeling to the read on us, just a lot of pointing at things and saying 'well, this is objectively scummy, isn't it?'
and i noted this in the PT but didn't say it here, Nacho just reminded me. momo's thought that Almost isn't acting like himself is irrelevant with one game of experience.
on ThinkMomo's 218: how on earth does one read this as deriding momo for considering post-flip analysis? i was questioning how momo could be thinking of this when he hadn't paid attention to any other slots.

i keep putting off bed.

pedit: i'd rather not claim. we're also not at L-1.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that lynching CK isn't nearly as informative as lynching us or fitz. The whole day has been revolving about these two slots. Everyone has analyzed and reanalyzed every single move each made. Letting both slots live and looking for a lynch outside the two is inexplicable to me.

Furthermore. the fitz claim is so weak it could very well be considered a VT claim for all practical purposes. Commuter is hardly beneficial to Town and especially so when it's non-consecutive. It could very well be an ascetic scum for all I care.

I don't want to address the favour either because I'm no expert in flavour, but I do have 2 issues, the first of which is he claimed a non-monarch to begin with. This actually relates to the second issue: Is Aris modding meta to provide fake claims or not? If it is, then I'll take that claim with a grain of salt and eat rope in his stead. If not, then it probably was a poor choice that had to be outside of the actual monarch's for fear of a CC.

Well, you may ignore all my flavour argument part, but I want you to consider the first argument mostly. Who has said what regarding CK that would make a CK flip helpful in D2?

BTW, I've been skimming large chunks of the game lately. I've resigned to have a very limited number of posts (if any) until the end of the day because I had RL emotional issues are likely to make me either too grumpy or totally apathetic (i.e. not my usual self either way).

~A50

[Almost Chara]

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that lynching CK isn't nearly as informative as lynching us or fitz.

Lynching scum is better than lynching town. Do you agree or disagree with this assertion?

Agree. But then that's why I'm voting fitz. He's my top SR. I don't have any "confident" SRs other than him, and I don't even SR CK myself.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

You think Fitz is lying because he didn't claim a Monarch?
So you think that Aristophanes forgot to give the scum team fakeclaims...?

I included a question about Aris' modding meta in that post. I don't know if he does provide fake claims or not.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that lynching CK isn't nearly as informative as lynching us or fitz.

Lynching scum is better than lynching town. Do you agree or disagree with this assertion?

Agree. But then that's why I'm voting fitz. He's my top SR. I don't have any "confident" SRs other than him, and I don't even SR CK myself.

~A50

What do you think of the recent arguments I've posted for fitz town?

I said I SKIMMED!

I'll let Chara decide on whether they want our vote switched at this time. I'll hammer any wagon (including our slot) in the last 30 min if needs be.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

i haven't quite read up, but i want fitz dead. not Cloud, and we need a lynch. why isn't Gin scumreading fitz?
~Chara

pedit: Shepard, do you really think scum don't have fakeclaims?

[Almost Chara]

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that lynching CK isn't nearly as informative as lynching us or fitz.

Lynching scum is better than lynching town. Do you agree or disagree with this assertion?

yeah, we happen to have a major scumread on fitz and that case was terrible.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

okay. i accept that you're townreading fitz, but i'm not. i don't think one game where he reacted to a lynch different as scum means anything. was the context the same? did fitz have a competing wagon he could hope would be lynched instead in that other game? is he just feeling like he has more time?

do you know fitz well enough to say definitively he wouldn't fight as scum? do you know if odd-night commuter is simply his real role and he doesn't have a fake roleclaim because his role doesn't have an inherent alignment?
or do you really expect scum here to always go for the PR claim to draw out the CC before they're lynched proper? fitz is trying to survive, not find PRs, and it's because he thought he could get us lynched.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

so you're saying the context isn't the same, because here we had fitz with a directly competing town wagon.
i'm not going to let Almost lynch us, but if we run down the deadline like this someone is going to be lynched and it'll be such a rushed wagon, no scum on it will have to take responsibility for their vote because 'deadline'. i really do hate eleventh hour lynches.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Shepard: or maybe you should consider the myriad of reasons town wouldn't want to claim, and pull yourself out of your bias.
~Chara

pedit: Prism voted us over fitz, and that to me was unexpected enough. and yes, i called them out on that.
but, this game is in general really frustrating, so while i want to live because that's better for winning, i won't cry if we do get lynched here due to the players on the fence settling for us if fitz can't get quite enough votes to go down.

[Almost Chara]

Gin, are you really not getting why scum would take the easier stance of claiming their real role instead of trying to bait a PR claim? sure it's optimal, but playing optimally isn't something everyone does, all of the time.
i'll lynch Cloud if deadline comes to it of course but i'm not convinced by meta and optimal play arguments. i'm convinced by that wooden case from fitz, which doesn't look genuine at all.
~Chara

pedit: i hate swinging the lynch with less than ten hours left. and i've never seen it end well. that's why we're 'gladiated'.

[Almost Chara]

how many CK votes do you have?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

and if more don't come online within the next 4 and a half hours?
~Chara

pedit: yes, unless this discussion happened within the last six hours and i missed it. and no that isn't the whole case, i can't summarize the case in one sentence.

[Almost Chara]

GOD! I can't keep silent anymore. It was a mistake that I even tried to read this thread before the end of the day.

The more Shepard posts the more I want fitz flipped. I've seen Town!"someone" hard defend Scum!Cakez in Undertale to the point they said they'd go before him. I've seen that same someone as Town who hard defended my own scum p (Scalp) on WWE.

On the other hand, I've never seen them hard defend someone that flipped Town. Like.. if I witnessed that in a previous game please point me to it, Shep.

Sidenote: The ONLY time they Town!read me in 5 games was on D1 in WWE. It was also the only time I was Scum in a game with them. That's irrelevant though because I'm NOT trying to evade the lynch. part of me really does want us lynched here and now just to laugh at Commander's reaction afterwards (and to use our flip here to argue against them in future games when I do roll scum)

~A50

[Almost Chara]

What's the most compelling reason you have for him being scum?

His push on you, correct? A lot of that was cleared up in his wall to me.

was scumreading him before the case, so no. the case just cemented it for me.
nothing from fitz has convinced me or made me wonder he's town. the first thing that's done that is your towncase.
saying he'll call out contradictions when it's one slot isn't a defense, it's an excuse. you'd have to be superhunan to agree with what your hydra partner says immediately after they say it all of the time, and neither Almost or i are that.
that fitz says that and doesn't analyze it at all, just says that's his meta on hydras and to take it or leave it... i don't see anything town.
of course in the long run, hydras should strive to avoid dissonance. but in the heat of the moment, when posts are happening and we're both here? not possible.

that's only one point in fitz's wall covered, but while I don't have time to respond to the whole thing right now i can say that it's not convinced me.
as for Almost's Shepard: how we flip won't change anything about Shepard's thinking, we'll simply be blamed for looking scummy by not claiming at L-2, or some similar excuse.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

If your biggest point on fitz is that he hasn't done anything to make you think he's town, then I'd suggest your vote would be better placed on CK unless you think he's done something town in which case I'd appreciate it if you pointed it out to me.

To me, CK has taken some really clear and firm stances that are hard to backtrack from.
Ex1: If fitz flips scum it clears WTC/A50/Wraith.
Ex2: Claims to be able to read certain slots like Shadowez, and then actually does push Shadowez and links him with fitz even.

Now let's assume CK is scum and -thus- already knows alignments, and let's assume fitz flips Town. Ex1 would be null and would make sense coming from Scum as it actually clears no one still, but he is as guilty of pushing the -mislynch- of fitz as everyone else. He will also have to explain his SR on Shadowez in light of the new info. But he did state he can read Shadowez regardless, so a flip on that read would be bad and pursuing it would be ignoring the new info. I can only deduce CK is convinced fitz will flip Scum, and so is Shadowez (i.e. regardless of the pair's true alignments, CK genuinely believes them to be scum).

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Less than 45 min remain though

[Almost Chara]

^A50

[Almost Chara]

but they're right about the extension, we have two more days. with that in mind i'm willing to look more closely at CloudKicker if nothing else.
i question that we got one at all, since we already got a replacement extension. but Ari is the mod, so he decides the deadline. ;>
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Shepard, i'm the one who said you were biased. i'm the one you're scumreading. either i'm town and you're biased or i'm scum trying to throw you off. there's no 'WTF'.
~Chara

pedit: oh. i thought he'd given another extension, based on when he gave the note (the last VC).

[Almost Chara]

oh, i'm a moron. TWC made it sound like Ari had granted a second extension. just checked, that wasn't the recent VC at all.

we have 45 minutes. lynch fitz.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Mod Notes:

A two day extension has been granted per request and added to the counter. If this still seems insufficient, let me know. A lot can happen in 2 days though!

Also, Happy Scumday Infinity!!!

I checked the earlier VCs vs the recent one, and it seems to me that the most recent VCs did reflect that deadline extension. Am I wrong?

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Mod Notes:

A two day extension has been granted per request and added to the counter. If this still seems insufficient, let me know. A lot can happen in 2 days though!

Also, Happy Scumday Infinity!!!

I checked the earlier VCs vs the recent one, and it seems to me that the most recent VCs did reflect that deadline extension. Am I wrong?

~A50

How many hydra slip ups before I learn??

[Almost Chara]

CloudKicker could be scum, and i think dreal is scum.
obviously re-evaluate if fitz flips town, but that would actually make dreal's behaviour worse. and if fitz is town it does make no sense for scum TWC to try and drag the wagon off of us.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Scum would want a lynch here based on numbers.

They would also want the commuter gone.

This wagon on Fitz is scum driven.

a claimed odd-night Commuter isn't even a speed bump for scum if fitz is town.
day-1 no lynches are anti-town.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

by my count that was hammer.
i agree with Infinity's townreads, just add Shepard. shaddow has good reasoning for town, i'm just not as sure about it.
dreal/CloudKicker/Empking would be my lynchpool. T&B is still a gut scumread but i couldn't argue why. some of Infinity's later content bothers me but i wouldn't lynch him.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Ok then who is scum prism? I have pretty solid town reasoning for AC, TWC, farside and shaddow

In the event you are town you likely have all 3 scum in there so congratulations.

Forgot T&B but top 4 for me are TWC, T&B, AC, and shaddow. I've mostly only had time to read during walks or meetings, latter of which is rude to type up a frenzy during but I'm doing it anyway now.

Prism, how do these two quotes make sense together?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Prism, how do we manage to become a scumread for you? earlier you said you were confident both fitz and us were town.
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Prism, how do we manage to become a scumread for you? earlier you said you were confident both fitz and us were town.
~Chara

Do you know what the number 5 is? Do you think this game has 5 scum?

obviously not. but you seemed confident both wagons were terrible, so i'd thought that meant a strong townread on

both

of them. we might just have a different definition.
why hammer immediately if you knew the deadline was 30 minutes and would have more time to post and actually see what the situation was? was this time a surprise?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

Yes, I expected to be in a haphazard, horribly edited posting frenzy in the middle of a meeting.

ok, i get it.
~Chara

pedit: anyone who knows Sheperd's main (which i'm comfortable referencing as they've outed it themselves) would be townreading them, i think.

[Almost Chara]

Shepard, you don't want me quoting your slip. you told Almost to go check some games you'd been in together and referenced your own meta.

Infinity: if you don't have any scumreads, why are Prism and Wraith lower down than the tier just above them?
~Chara

[Almost Chara]

I can sheep Infinity on CK. BOTH flipped Townies ended the day voting there.

VOTE: CloudkickerVOTE:

~A50

[Almost Chara]

EBWORP

I can sheep Infinity on CK. BOTH flipped Townies ended the day voting there.

VOTE: Cloudkicker

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Btw, U still don't get why fitz fake claimed BOTH his flavour and his role!!! Even if he wanted to eat a bullet. why fake claim a COMMUTER?????

[Almost Chara]

Well, I missed all the fun it seems. I obviously can't ask to know what happened that merited that nancy deletion or the farside modkill. But I must ask if that makes nancy conf!Town by any chance. Does it?

I think myself and Chara agree that CK is now most likely scum. I'd also say Wraith is, but Chara says it's Wraith or Empking. The third one is still Dreamlerz for me.

P.S. 3/3 Scums on the same wagon isn't a thing in my experience. Just saying.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

The PS was a response to Shepard's:

that means more than likely most of the scum if not all were on the havingfitz wagon.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Yes they could have goes with the two townies voting Wraith rather than the two townies voting Having, but why should they?

Yoho! Hello! Over here!!

You do realize that we were the first vote on fitz wagon and we pushed it the hardest. Yes? So scum joining the "two townies voting Having" doesn't exactly rhyme with "AC is still scum" by any extension.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

@CS: Let's make a deal here. You flip us. and when we flip Town I (Almost50) get to nickname you "stupid tunneler" forever and ever again. I shall refer to you by that name and you have no right to complain or even get offended by it. Agreed? Agreed!! Carry on please, Stupid Tunneler.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

@CS: I'm not insulting you. I'm calling you what you are, and I know what you are by what you do. You call me scum in each and every game you play with me, so you're tunneling. You refuse to reconsider your reads no matter what happens, which is stupid.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

It is actually you who continues to push Prism despite yesterday pushing Prism and pushing having Fitz.

Prism??? I haven't even typed his name since the start of the day until now!!!!!!!!!!

And now you're pushing the same CK read as yesterday if memory serves as well.

You need to get your memory chips replaced ASAP.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Shepard is town.

I was townreading Shepard pretty much purely because I suspected there was a Town Roleblocker between either him or T&B.

Interesting. And what exactly lead you to suspect this is the case? Was it the 2 VT flips, for instance??

P-edit: Nice try, but you can't ignore Infinity's explicit query and hope that it will just go away. You need to explain how you came to the conclusion there might be a TOWN RB in this setup.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

OK.. I'll buy this claim if you can explain your first post, namely:

Sup

I'm gonna Unite the shit outta this Kingdom

What's with that?

~A50

[Almost Chara]

VOTE: AC

That's all nice an dandy, but:

OK.. I'll buy this claim if you can explain your first post, namely:

Sup

I'm gonna Unite the shit outta this Kingdom

What's with that?

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Am I? Show me where I'm "trying to discredit you", please.

Oh, and while at it, you still haven't responded to the question after I had asked it TWICE. Maybe third time is lucky?

~A50

[Almost Chara]

For a limited time only: Vote CK and a dozen Easter eggs fully decorated for free.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Personally I could vote either, but Chara is more confident in their CK read.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

So this is turning into a countdown to mislynch for me

I feel drealmerz is caught scum and my vote is not moving.

"It's my way or the highway" is how these two posts read to me.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

I do not think I'll be voting for wraith

T&B, AC, or infinity

Wraith isn't even on the table at this time. There isn't anyone voting or advocating a Wraith lynch.

When a STRONG TOWN slot is NK'd on N1 it's bc they had GOOD reads, so you follow them until proven wrong. TWC wanted a wagon on CK, so THAT is where all votes should be. All TOWN votes that is.

I hope you're scum

That was my impression from early D1 too. But I will follow TWC's reads at least for today. We can reevaluate according to the flip. Both heads of this hydra agree that CK is the scummiest slot, and so did TWC & Havingfitz by the end of D1.

@Shadowez: You do realize a BG claim could be a cover for the real killer in case there was a Tracker on them or a Watcher on their target, yes? I'm not saying this must be the case, but I wouldn't put too much faith on that claim either. Just saying.

Still, I would want to follow the confirmed Townies reads, especially when they do coincide with mine and my hydra partner's, so I request that you vote Cloud with me here. Thank you.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

I have to ask to get replaced sorry aristo

Not to worry CloudKicker! Thanks for joining us!

Searching for a replacement now.

Seriously? Why isn't this slot lynched?

Because nobody's voting there but us

~A50

[Almost Chara]

i've not read this day yet, but from rereading the thread after TWC's kill happened i want to voice my support for this lynch. CloudKicker is likely scum, and TWC's reads at the end of the day were good, though i didn't feel that way at the time.

and Prism: i don't think Infinity was pushing dreal to replace out either, i think that's an unfair assessment, as is calling it 'shameful'.
~Chara

pedit: i don't mind dreal but based on what i've seen of his posting today i think the differences with the play of the town!dreal i know could be attributed to that. and i'm just less sure than on CloudKicker.

TWC was correct about both lynches at the end of the day being on town and tried to swing the lynch.

[Almost Chara]

Titus saves the day and replaces CloudKicker!!

Not sure if I should be happy or sad here. I always like playing with Titus, but this is a SCUM SLOT, and Titus will just win this for Scum.

However, just in case we're both wrong (myself and Chara that is), along with the three heads of TWC, I'm going to give Titus a chance here. If she can drive a lynch on a scumster today I will probably drop the scum read on the slot and call it bad play from her predecessors. Can you do that, you majesty?

P.S. Inb4 someone says I know Titus' role: Titus is a female herself. I also have it on my notes that the slot's flavour is Queen Victoria, but O can't remember if it was explicitly claimed or if I deduced it from a crumb.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

@Titus:

OK.. let me help you there. First off, I made a gambit on my 1st post (MY, not the hydra's). It had a goal and it was accomplished, and I explained it immediately after that goal was accomplished. Here are the quotes:

*Almost50 makes an entrance an the crowd goes crazy*

Vote: Nancy

- Did the earth move for you, Nancy?

Is money too tight to mention for you, mate?

I mean, this should have merited a vote because you PM must be "Simply Red".

VOTE: drealmer
VOTE: Pine
VOTE: TheWoodCutters
VOTE: Empking

Being a quadruple voter is never a town utility.

Scum are Chara, nancy, and ???, my guess would be Penguin.

VOTE: Chara

I wanted to make a joke here, but I retracted it bc I'm not British and I feared it might sound offensive to the Brits.

Please pretend I made a funny joke though and post laughs and applause.


OK, finished skimming.

P.S. I feel it;s going to be impossible to fake anything and get it past The Wood Cutters. Between them 3 they have seen almost everything I'm capable of, so I'm going to come clean: We're just a mere VT

~A50

OK, I guess I can explain now:

I claimed to bait The Wood Cutters so that I can get a read there. Looking at the players list this looks like the strongest slot as either alignment, and I wanted to make sure they're on OUR side.

The claim was precisely to bait Mastina (she knows my play better than anyone in this game), and it worked.

I would have expected Scum!Mastina to push me further. Why? Because (as Scum) she would know 100% I'm Town already, and in her experience I lie much more as Town that I do as Scum, so she would have been alerted to me being a PR and trying to chase away a NK.

Town!MAstina though (according to what I was thinking) would have to think: EITHER TPR trying to avoid the NK, OR Scum trying to avoid getting lynched/investigated. THEN she would have to try and sort me out ASAP to decide on whether I'm worthy of her protection from a lynch or if I'm well worth her vote. I didn't see her going for the much more simple deduction she did, but still, not pushing me while knowing I do lie as Town makes her Town IMHO. (If you beg to differ, save it. I've just locked my read on that slot).

Now for whoever does have a brain; faking VT as Scum in this game is the worst thing I could have every done. I'm not dumb enough to get caught in a lie on N1. I only lie -as scum- when I absolutely have to.. i.e. when it benefits me, and I can't see anything fruitful for me from claiming a VT unprompted on D1. That only leaves you between me really being a VT or a lying TPR, so if we have a Role Cop it might be a good idea for them to check us. If not, then I guess time will tell (probably when we return a guilty "of some sort" on someone or another).

~A50

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Opps! Didn't mean to quote the WHOLE of the first post, but that's ok I guess.

Anyway, this is why we're scum read by some, and this is also why we're Town read by some. What do YOU think?

~A50

[Almost Chara]

we totally need to see the AC flip so the rest of you townies can get your heads on straight (they GOTTA flip scum, if they don't...I'm going to cry)

Here.. you'll need these. *Hands you 2 large packs of tissue*

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Still don't like to bus, do you?

Nope. I don't. I protect my babies regardless of alignment. I'll get my babies to lynch masons if I need to. Ask AC.

That game was insanely hilarious.

~A50

P-edit: You must jave soar eyes already from the fitz flip alone!!

[Almost Chara]

What they pushed at the early day is irrelevant, I am concerned with when they died.

They wanted to know about the slot my slot was pushing and Drealmerz.

They dies voting your slot, Titus. On the last VC of D1 both TWC & fitz were voting your slot.

More scum point here. If TITUS doesn't check the VCs, then WHO does?????

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Sheesh! I give in.

VOTE: dreal

I have mixed feelings about this one. I did case him and push him on D1, but I'm not so sure today, so let's see where this leads to.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Hey, Prism. How about you provide us your lynch pool with reasoning? T&B is a no go. AT one point -today- we had 7 voters on 6 different wagons. That's a 1.167 vote per wagon. We need to consolidate.

By the time I decided to give in you had 2 votes on you and dreal had 3. Would you have rathered I voted you?? If that's the case just say so and I will gladly comply. Right now I think dreal is more likely to flip scum than you, but if you tell me the opposite I will trust you on it.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Hey, Prism. How about you provide us your lynch pool with reasoning? T&B is a no go. AT one point -today- we had 7 voters on 6 different wagons. That's a 1.167 vote per wagon. We need to consolidate.

By the time I decided to give in you had 2 votes on you and dreal had 3. Would you have rathered I voted you?? If that's the case just say so and I will gladly comply. Right now I think dreal is more likely to flip scum than you, but if you tell me the opposite I will trust you on it.

~A50

Ignoring subjective evaluations about our skill value, voting drealm is exactly equivalent to voting myself. He's town. They are equally horrible. Feel free to move it to me if you desire, it makes no difference.

T&B should not be a no go, period. If I recall correctly your slot also scumreads the CK slot, and no explanation on that front should be further necessary from

your

perspective beyond curiosity.

And I spent all day voting there all alone. CK is now Titus. That's obviously a no go either.

GDI! ELEVEN hydra slips in one game! I guess I'm going to set some record here.

[Almost Chara]

UNVOTE:

That flavour makes perfect sense as a Mason.

P-edit: FINALLY!

VOTE: Titus

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Why are we unvoting before his Mason partner claims?

This smells like dreal claiming Mason to cover for a scum bus that was already on the wagon.

I did a quick google search on Queen Mary (II) of Orange, and I'll be damned if that doesn't make sense as a Mason.

Fake claims do NOT provide/include Masonry either, so it would be like dreal actually dug into the flavour to tailor his own fake claim. Nah. This claim is authentic as far as I'm concerned.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

@Titus: If I hadn't scum read CK from before, I would have still voted you right now just for the push on the claimed Mason. WWE wasn't too long ago, you know

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Yes, it makes sense in flavor terms. But did people not already warn me that scum could easily have prepared flavor fakeclaims?

In games like this one, scum are PROVIDED with fake claims from the mod. The thing is I've never seen a mod that provided a Masonry for a fake claim. Such gambits only occur in non-flavoured closed setup games. They're way too hard to pull in a themed game. Like, what if the supposed Mason flavour did exist in the game and came out to say: "NO. I'm NOT Masons with drealz."?? There's ONLY ONE FLAVOUR that could be Masons with drealz now, so how does he know that's not already in play if he was faking?

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Why are we unvoting before his Mason partner claims?

This smells like dreal claiming Mason to cover for a scum bus that was already on the wagon.

I did a quick google search on Queen Mary (II) of Orange, and I'll be damned if that doesn't make sense as a Mason.

Fake claims do NOT provide/include Masonry either, so it would be like dreal actually dug into the flavour to tailor his own fake claim. Nah. This claim is authentic as far as I'm concerned.

~A50

So you did a quick google search but Drealmerz couldn't? Like the mod has to give a fake claim. Drealmerz couldn't get lucky?

I did a search based on a given flavour. For him to do the same he would have to search the whole Monarchy history.

Like, why are we even having this conversation? I only switched to dreal because nobody was willing to vote your slot anyway and I was feeling lonely voting you all by myself which would have lead me to nowhere.

Now there IS a wagon on my #1 choice for scum, and Chara also agrees this is where our vote should be. No point to argue anything here unless the wagon on you somehow dissipates.
~A50

[Almost Chara]

I was only considering lynching dreal or Prism today. But if both are right out as possibilities I think I could lynch AC.

Alright, I've had it. This is an outright scum claim. "If we verify the Mason claim I can lynch someone who refused to push the Masons as soon as they claimed."

Titus is SCUM. Wraith is SCUM (and is the one who shot TWC). Their third is between Empking/Sahddowez, but more likely Empking bc Shaddow is currently voting Wraith (it could be distancing, but doesn't look so right now).

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Titus/Wraith/Empking?

If this turns out to be the case, and we both agreeing to it is like.. a historical event!!

~A50

[Almost Chara]

Unofficial:

Titus (4/6): Infinity 324, Commander Shepard, Almost Chara, Drealmerz,
Tea and Biscuits (2/6): Prism, Empking,
Drealmerz (1/6): Titus,
Prism (1/6): Tea and Biscuits,
Wraith (1/6): Shaddowez,

Not voting: Wraith,