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Post Post #2400 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:02 am

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VOTE: titus
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Post Post #2401 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:02 am

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In post 2398, drealmerz7 wrote:if they care to, yep, I think they probably will, up to them

we discussed it a bit but I told them it is up to them if/when it actually comes to it
You're actually trying to float the setup your mason partner would let you be lynched...
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Post Post #2402 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:03 am

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In post 2400, Infinity 324 wrote:VOTE: titus
Wtf u doin. The mason claim is obviously fake.
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Post Post #2403 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:03 am

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If dreal turns out not to be a mason, we lynch him. Simple as that.
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Post Post #2404 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:05 am

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In post 2403, Infinity 324 wrote:If dreal turns out not to be a mason, we lynch him. Simple as that.
Good, so we make sure his scum partner is aware he has to fake by voting him.

Like I know I SR masons but Dreal is just terrible.
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Post Post #2405 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:06 am

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VOTE: Titus

Claim makes sense.
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Post Post #2406 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:07 am

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UNVOTE:

That flavour makes perfect sense as a Mason.

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Post Post #2407 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:09 am

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Why are we unvoting before his Mason partner claims?

This smells like dreal claiming Mason to cover for a scum bus that was already on the wagon.
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Post Post #2408 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:09 am

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*shrug*

Pretty sure I've read something wrong here as the procedure for when scum fake a mason is to force the scum buddy to vouch. Yet, a counterwagon comes up on me for actually putting the worst slot in the game to his claim.
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Post Post #2409 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:14 am

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In post 2407, Wraith wrote:Why are we unvoting before his Mason partner claims?

This smells like dreal claiming Mason to cover for a scum bus that was already on the wagon.
I did a quick google search on Queen Mary (II) of Orange, and I'll be damned if that doesn't make sense as a Mason.

Fake claims do NOT provide/include Masonry either, so it would be like dreal actually dug into the flavour to tailor his own fake claim. Nah. This claim is authentic as far as I'm concerned.

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Post Post #2410 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:15 am

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@Titus: If I hadn't scum read CK from before, I would have still voted you right now just for the push on the claimed Mason. WWE wasn't too long ago, you know ;)

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Post Post #2411 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:15 am

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I think a Mason fakeclaim by dreal was intended to open a lot of possibilities for his buddies:

1. dreal claims Mason, vouched for by his scumbuddy. I don't think this was going to happen since it means that fake Mason buddy is dead meat as soon as dreal flips scum

2. dreal claims Mason, no vouch by a scumbuddy and the scumbuddy joins the wagon. This is risky because it allows the town to wagon PoE his potential partner that he was hoping would vouch for him via PoE.

3. dreal claims Mason, no vouch by a scumbuddy because the scumbuddy was already bussing him. This is pretty cunning because the town might be seduced into determining the scumbuddy via wagon PoE as per #2, which can potentially give a false clear on players who were on the dreal wagon before the claim.

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Yes, it makes sense in flavor terms. But did people not already warn me that scum could easily have prepared flavor fakeclaims?

It also means fucking nothing until the partner actually vouches for him, and that you're taking it at face value without someone backing it up is fucking suspicious.
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Post Post #2412 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:15 am

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In post 2409, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 2407, Wraith wrote:Why are we unvoting before his Mason partner claims?

This smells like dreal claiming Mason to cover for a scum bus that was already on the wagon.
I did a quick google search on Queen Mary (II) of Orange, and I'll be damned if that doesn't make sense as a Mason.

Fake claims do NOT provide/include Masonry either, so it would be like dreal actually dug into the flavour to tailor his own fake claim. Nah. This claim is authentic as far as I'm concerned.

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So you did a quick google search but Drealmerz couldn't? Like the mod has to give a fake claim. Drealmerz couldn't get lucky?
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Post Post #2413 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:17 am

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In post 2410, Almost Chara wrote:@Titus: If I hadn't scum read CK from before, I would have still voted you right now just for the push on the claimed Mason. WWE wasn't too long ago, you know ;)

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Post Post #2414 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:19 am

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what the fuck people

if I were scum with a fakeclaim, I'd have made it a good one AND come up with it myself

this is not that however
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Post Post #2415 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:20 am

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@Wraith it is for the same reason I take yours seriously

Fake claiming mason while I am set up for lynching shop is horrendous.
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Post Post #2416 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:21 am

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In post 2411, Wraith wrote:I think a Mason fakeclaim by dreal was intended to open a lot of possibilities for his buddies:

1. dreal claims Mason, vouched for by his scumbuddy. I don't think this was going to happen since it means that fake Mason buddy is dead meat as soon as dreal flips scum

2. dreal claims Mason, no vouch by a scumbuddy and the scumbuddy joins the wagon. This is risky because it allows the town to wagon PoE his potential partner that he was hoping would vouch for him via PoE.

3. dreal claims Mason, no vouch by a scumbuddy because the scumbuddy was already bussing him. This is pretty cunning because the town might be seduced into determining the scumbuddy via wagon PoE as per #2, which can potentially give a false clear on players who were on the dreal wagon before the claim.

PREDIT:

Yes, it makes sense in flavor terms. But did people not already warn me that scum could easily have prepared flavor fakeclaims?

It also means fucking nothing until the partner actually vouches for him, and that you're taking it at face value without someone backing it up is fucking suspicious.
Also I feel the need to say that I brought up these concerns because I literally started doing #2, trying to find his possible Mason partner via wagon PoE, assuming the partner would not already be voting for dreal since he "knows dreal is town". Then it struck me that it could easily just be Shepard or AC and thus a lack of vouch for dreal could be used as cover for a bussing attempt. Especially since those two immediately tried to jump off the wagon without the partner confirming dreal's claim.
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Post Post #2417 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:22 am

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So did Infinity. #NotAMason2017
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Post Post #2418 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:23 am

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In post 2417, Commander Shepard wrote:So did Infinity. #NotAMason2017
Yeah but Infinity has already claimed so changing his story at this point would invite a policy lynch.

I actually think it's most likely to be AC, though, I just brought you up too since it's a possibility.
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Post Post #2419 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:25 am

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In post 2411, Wraith wrote: Yes, it makes sense in flavor terms. But did people not already warn me that scum could easily have prepared flavor fakeclaims?
In games like this one, scum are PROVIDED with fake claims from the mod. The thing is I've never seen a mod that provided a Masonry for a fake claim. Such gambits only occur in non-flavoured closed setup games. They're way too hard to pull in a themed game. Like, what if the supposed Mason flavour did exist in the game and came out to say: "NO. I'm NOT Masons with drealz."?? There's ONLY ONE FLAVOUR that could be Masons with drealz now, so how does he know that's not already in play if he was faking?

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Post Post #2420 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:25 am

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anyone who expects a mason-fake claim to have a scumbuddy come claim masonbuddy with them...

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Post Post #2421 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:27 am

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In post 2411, Wraith wrote:I think a Mason fakeclaim by dreal was intended to open a lot of possibilities for his buddies:

1. dreal claims Mason, vouched for by his scumbuddy. I don't think this was going to happen since it means that fake Mason buddy is dead meat as soon as dreal flips scum

2. dreal claims Mason, no vouch by a scumbuddy and the scumbuddy joins the wagon. This is risky because it allows the town to wagon PoE his potential partner that he was hoping would vouch for him via PoE.

3. dreal claims Mason, no vouch by a scumbuddy because the scumbuddy was already bussing him. This is pretty cunning because the town might be seduced into determining the scumbuddy via wagon PoE as per #2, which can potentially give a false clear on players who were on the dreal wagon before the claim.

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Yes, it makes sense in flavor terms. But did people not already warn me that scum could easily have prepared flavor fakeclaims?

It also means fucking nothing until the partner actually vouches for him, and that you're taking it at face value without someone backing it up is fucking suspicious.
In #2 and #3, can't we just lynch dreal when we're in mylo/lylo and there's no other mason claim?
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Post Post #2422 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:27 am

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Like as far as I'm concerned the short list for his partner is down to these people:

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It's probably not Titus because he pushed for the claim. It's not me because I say so and I've already claimed. It's probably not Infinity because he's already claimed Miller. It's probably not Shepard because he's claimed it's not him, but he could just be lying, though I think he's town and being truthful.
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Post Post #2423 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:29 am

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I mean I suppose it is more viable in a 20+player setup

but a 13p makes no fucking sense when it is likely only 3 scum, the associative implications are too dire
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Post Post #2424 (ISO) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:29 am

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Let's not narrow down the likely partner and make things easier for scum.
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