Mini 1891: Fat Boy Mafia [Over]

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:17 am

Why would Fire not say that as scum?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:22 am

I need an arms failing gif

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:24 am

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:54 am

I'm back to this and I'm leaving it for the day. Got 5 days and I'm happy to push this one.

VOTE: Fire

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:16 pm

Same but Fire

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:17 pm

Let's do that one

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:27 pm

In post 1830, Firebringer wrote:VOTE: Firebringer

When I get home I got a meme for that

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:48 pm

In post 1830, Firebringer wrote:VOTE: Firebringer

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:52 pm

Why on god's green earth would you heal Pine?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:56 pm

If you dont' say anything else I'm going to take that as a literal answer.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:58 pm

stop deflecting

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:13 pm

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:02 pm

In post 1875, Firebringer wrote:VOTE: Momo
Help me buss.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:32 pm

That is literally AtE

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:41 pm

I want you to be angry

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:45 pm

Why don't you want to obv!town and do things and such

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:48 pm

Why am I town

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:50 pm

like how

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:54 pm

I'm manipulative as scum? How can you see a difference?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:57 pm

UNVOTE:

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:29 pm

May or may not retract, doing research

VOTE: Momo

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:35 pm

It doesn't seem much but when you finally get serious and answer, you have an entire reason that I didn't expect you to explain. You were also able to answer it rather quickly which is a personal plus.

Like, idk if it makes sense but I just see it as townie for you to quickly be able to tell me your reasoning on what my scum game is and how I have not done that this game.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:36 pm

In post 1903, pieg wrote:<insert sarcastic remarks about how scum!fire could've made exactly the same posts>

VOTE: momo

I've town read for worse >_>

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:38 pm

viewtopic.php?p=8819579#p8819579

I have literally town read someone for not having any reads

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:42 pm

Sounds like dreal lmfao

I knew he was town one time but lynched him for some peace and quiet. Literally had the mod be like "I feel ya bro"

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:03 pm

In post 1920, Firebringer wrote:I am a RC alt.

Okay I just unvoted you >_>

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:06 pm

In post 1922, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1921, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 1920, Firebringer wrote:I am a RC alt.
Okay I just unvoted you >_>
What if I told you RC is my real life brother?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:26 pm

I take elements of my scum game and incorporate it into my town game to piss people off trying to meta me.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 02, 2017 2:40 pm

Spoiler: Momo games first post replacing in as town

Spoiler: Momo games first post relacing in as scum

Uhh, well this is a small sample size regarding the scum momo actually but the key i noticed was the outlier regarding what momo says.

In the town game he gets swinging immediately or says something sarcastic.

In that one scum game he asks for a summary.

Does this mean anything? probably not.

Does this stupidly increase my suspicions, probably.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 02, 2017 3:04 pm

Can I just say I witnessed momo do some crazy shit.

viewtopic.php?p=8984553#p8984553

Read THIS ONE PAGE of the game I finished modding.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 02, 2017 3:04 pm

In post 1976, Desperado wrote:
In post 1959, Nosferatu wrote:other than the people on the wagon, who has expressed desire to lynch wheme after gin's posts on why he's an unlikely pine partner.
i couldn't give two shits about gin's posts about why wheme is unlikely to be pine's partner because his argument is bad

I love you too <3

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:43 pm

Im sorry Desp but like, I'd take my word back if the conf!towns like you two dont die near MyLo but for real, it's D2, no one agrees with it at the moment. It's just vanity wagoning.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:51 pm

Are you town?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:54 pm

posting style doesn't trump a person's personality

P-EDIT: HA, IM RIGHT! My theory holds true then. Case fucking closed, now stop worrying about it D2

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:57 pm

Look, when applying the theory, I think it clears you like 100%, if Im honest, it clears Wheme like 60-70%.

It's enough for me, considering there are still two scum, to be okay with taking that as a D2 clear and at least trying to focus on the other one.

That's where I'm getting at.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:58 pm

10v3 is like the universal standard

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:40 pm

Thank god it's fucking over, now I can spill it.

viewtopic.php?p=8974153#p8974153

Read it and weep Desperado.

PINE AS SCUM,

DID NOT BUS HIS TEAMMATE

WHO HAD A WAGON ON HIM AT L-1

WHO WAS ROLEBLOCKED AND THE NIGHT WAS A NO KILL.

PINE.

DOES NOT.

FUCKING.

BUS.

EVER.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:09 pm

meh, I like momo more over pieg

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:14 pm

I mean, I'm uncomfortable with pieg but not lynch worthy

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:02 pm

HOLY FUCK HOW DO YOU NOT GET IT.

PINE ISN'T EVEN WILLING TO VOTE A SCUM BUDDY.

AT ANY POINT.

NOT EVEN THROUGH A GUILTY WILL HE VOTE HIS PARTNER LET ALONE SOME RANDOM D1 WAGON.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:03 pm

Like say eating meat is bussing.

Pine's a fucking vegan in comparison.

You're saying Pine would eat a hot dog on a cheat day.

While I give you proof the mofo would resist even ice cream cuz it had milk in it.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:05 pm

TWO POSTS LATER YOU SAY.

Well lets look at the context.

two posts later was from 850 to all the way to 937.

The Dark wagon built up and Pine joined that one as well. He saw the mislynch a mile away.

P-Edit: THERE'S SO MUCH DIFFERENCE THERE HOLD UP.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:09 pm

Desperado, I kindly ask you to find where we ACTUALLY voted mastina in Rogue One.

The cross bus was to build town cred for ourselves with a mastina flip. That was mastina's crazy plan we kinda just went along with. NOT, Pine's idea at all.

As for Titus, it was agreed upon scum theatre for the beginning of RVS and nothing more.

We never helped a Titus wagon after that stunt was over.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:10 pm

Like, I was part of the Pine-A-Tonics Hydra and led the charge for most of the day play. I remember what we did/did not do and why.

nancy requested replacement because she lost a game of mafia.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:13 pm

Okay, I've shown an ass loads worth of reasoning and evidence of meta I know by heart because I fucking adopted that meta, I ask you to show me counter-meta and why Pine would have done it on his scum bud.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:16 pm

In post 2075, Desperado wrote:meta by nature demands that you subvert it or it becomes a trust tell

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:17 pm

I mean, you could always hammer, wait for me to be night killed, and then push wheme but no one, as long as i'm alive is going to continue pushing wheme

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:18 pm

I hate it but RC is right when you don't shut the fuck up people will just do it to shut yourself up.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:19 pm

I said 60-70% and it's a D2 clear.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:20 pm

implosion be my hero

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:22 pm

do it for science

P-edit: same man, night

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:45 am

VOTE: momo

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:43 am

Why wheme what?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:01 am

Lmfao no, that's Despie

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:33 am

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:53 am

In post 2107, Persivul wrote:Doesn't look like a hammer. Per the last VC Gin was already on the wagon.

...

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:06 am

I never understand why people ruin fake hammers, like I'm not a fuckin idiot I know I'm already voting.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:17 am

If I'm honest here, looking at the game state, I think this is scum.

Given the fact that Pine is dead leaving 2 scum, that means I highly doubt that scum are going to bus here. With Pine being a goon, that ups the chances of someone being a power role for the scum team (idk for sure cuz meta is rearing towards near mountainous set ups) who remains.

Next we think logically about the player at L-1. It's momo, literally the most justifiable vote you could put down and honestly, I doubt people will give shit for it.

If it was a town wagon, momo would already be dead by now.

However, momo has been at L-1 for quite a while and wagons have been trying to form like pieg, nos, and wheme.

So, we've had the production of counter wagons and someone that is easily lynchable, isn't getting lynched when they're the main wagon.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:20 am

In post 2112, Persivul wrote:Sorry, I'm sure momo - who's barely saying anything as it is - would have seen that, not bothered to check the VC, and spilled his guts in a manner that gave us a definitive read on him.

When it comes to posters like that, the difference is that they don't say anything anymore.

Study how more than one player type reacts to a certain situation so you know what to look for. The fake hammer isn't looking for a one-size fits all reaction, but for a reaction that correlates to how they play.

Lurkers just get prodded, active people spill their guts out, and etc.

P-Edit: What was the reason for you shutting down the fake hammer? Honestly the only motivation behind it is to make sure momo doesn't read the thread and think it's real.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:25 am

After Pers does a thing where he says why he does the thing

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:30 am

lol if momo is scum and Fire is scum, it'd be hilarious if he couldn't do a kill cuz V/LA

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:59 am

That was a weird kill, I haven't checked his scum reads but like, Fire had looming suspicion on him almost all the time >_>

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:21 am

Yeah he did as a joke.

I'm just waiting for Desp to Bitch at me

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:29 am

Spoiler: In honour of Fire, my meal tonight

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:42 pm

I could do percy jackson but not wheme

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:42 pm

Percy, nos, or the new guy really

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:47 pm

Is there a single person that scum reads implosion?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:57 pm

VOTE: nos

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:57 pm

In post 2148, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:VOTE: nos

L-something

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:09 am

IF YOU TOWN READ IMPLOSION, VOTE YAY

IF YOU DON'T, VOTE NAY

Seems to be that i asked this yet no one responded

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:06 am

In post 2175, Edosurist wrote:The only redeeming part of reading all that was Pine and Fire. And nancy too.

Today, I will lynch:
1. Gin (Suspect #1 from the Dark wagon)
2. Nos
3. Pers (Suspect #2 fro the Dark wagon)
Pine was not alone in lynching Dark.

VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic

read the game and stop being a fucking idiot

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:06 am

Oh, and answer the question I blatantly bolded

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:04 am

In post 2179, Edosurist wrote:I thought by not putting him in my kill-list I was showing that I thought he was town. If it wasn't clear, I think he's town.

Game has been read.

Doing my best not to be an idiot.

Do believe that the Dark wagon was driven by town? It sure didn't look like it to me, and I would have been against his lynch.

Obviously to me, you haven't read thoroughly.

If you wanted to view me as scum, you should have gone to where Firebringer says I basically has him pocketed and would vote with my in LyLo if I was scum.

After not pushing him anymore after that, you could go on to push that I was like "hey free win."

However, this happened.

In post 2128, Nexus wrote:Firebringer - Domino's Meateor - Fat Boy Townie - Killed Night 2

Now, if you can logically explain why I would do this as scum, that would be great.

After you come to the conclusion that it only makes sense for a hardcore defender of a Gin slot dies and people start to want to vote me, that slot must be town and scum are working towards a mislynch on my own slot.

That's just reading the game state man.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:20 am

I mean that's universal to anyone here.

I've already pointed out that the mafia are playing survivalistic after pointing out that Alisae was killed, who replaced Grey, who softed and basically hardclaimed viggie.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:23 am

Does anything about Nos scream town?

Also, I'm assuming you and Desp want me to ISO ya'll to see if you town read Implosion or not...

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:31 am

So, top row is Implosion's people who town read and the bottom row is people who scum read him.

Desperado, Persivul, Wheme, AJ the Epic, Edo, Gin

nos

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:51 am

Well apparently everyone town reads Implosion. I'm personally starting to develop paranoia about him.

You and Wheme I can't shake a town read off, likely won't change.

I've already said I could go Pers or nos, so why should I go pers over nos?

P-edit: I tend to do this a lot, but, I do remember a game, and I'll find the reference link for it, and I was town and I remember saying at a day start I had no clue where to look.

People treated it as a dumb tell for me being town and I don't know if I could apply that the same way with nos.

Regardles,

UNVOTE:

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:55 am

viewtopic.php?p=8672050#p8672050

Reference link to what I was talking about.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:25 am

Nos, what's the deal?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:00 pm

I believe wheme is, which normally, I'd be annoyed by, but in an interesting twist, it strengthens my town read on him because of how much I so prominently defend him. It's like, he's thinking about lynching me when, if he was scum, he should be not even attempting that.

So I can't see why wheme as scum would try to lynch someone who is a potential buddy vote in end game.

I'd have to look back but at the time of the wagon itself, I thought massive/momo was over exaggerating his reaction and vote and I found it scummy.

ALSO HEY DESP! IT'S LIKE I TOLD YOU PINE SHEEPED FIREBRINGER TO BE THE TOWN FALL GUY AND FIRE WAS TOWN. I LOVE MY THEORY AND IT'S PROVEN 1/3 CORRECT WITH FLIPS

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:24 pm

What did I say?

I mean honestly just looking at the game state, I have the confidence to push a lynch through, I just have a bad fucking track record and I need to be put in check.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:13 pm

like, say stuff

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:52 am

Spoiler: Day 3 colored VC-Confirmed Flips only

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:53 am

Made the VC with only confirmed flips in case you want to use it for yourself, hence why i dont color my name, I however am going to use one where I use my reads and see how it looks

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:12 am

paranoia tells me BUDDIES

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:28 am

VOTE: Pers

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:41 am

Wheme, I'm going to be completely honest. Not a single thing you've done this game would grant a town read, only your reaction to my town read on you is an angle of town you.

There is without a doubt in my mind that you would have been lynched D2 as an easy lynch if I was scum. I'm speaking as if you are town because that's just how the table on the cards leave it but if anything, D2 I could have used you for a free day, you flip town, by conf! Of a flip, reinforce my TR on Desp and buddy him for the game.

That's the key difference here.

As town, I want both of you alive because I'm trying to find scum.

As scum, I would trade your slot to buddy a townie. I'd also just be sheeping Desp so there wouldn't be any fall back for pushing that lynch.

Like, when you scum hunt, evaluate whether a players agenda is pushing a scum agenda or a town agenda.

If you still have concerns then bring them up but I find scum reads on me as a waste of time and want to get that out of the way so we're not wasting time.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:04 am

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:34 am

Hey nos, you mind doing the dirty deed?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:43 am

Guys, I want AJ

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:16 pm

In post 2269, Aj The Epic wrote:So Krispy Kreme donut, RB: Night targets Nos, Gin, Edo. The N2 was because I thought I was a JK.

Wheme should go next.

You thought you were a jail keeper?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:17 pm

In post 2271, WhemeStar wrote:I'm quality street purple one. Vanilla townie

Also who's next on the list to claim?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:41 pm

Oh and fun fact, two people visited Edosurist, AJ already claimed so I'm curious as to what the 2nd person will claim because VT is a scum claim

Sorry for not announcing at day start, just got back home from a building project I've been working on.

From this point on, till all claims are done, dont side track conversations, all claims must be heard.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:49 pm

In post 2282, WhemeStar wrote:So it's either Aj or imp then

You mind telling me where you got this idea from?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:51 pm

Nosferatu-odd night cop
WhemeStar VT
implosion town by cop
Alz Roleblocker
Desperado no claim yet

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:53 pm

Do I care?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:53 pm

What was your issue with it?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:01 pm

I know but lets be real, it's going to be hilarious

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:14 pm

In post 2292, Nosferatu wrote:I'm kinda skeptical about gin's claim. It's a very easy one for scum to make, given Aj's claim and a dash of common sense.
UNVOTE: wheme

shhhhh, no talking till we get our final two claims

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:33 pm

>_> I'm gonna groan

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:40 pm

Honesty is the best policy, I'm a simple VT. I honestly did not expect that.

From my perspective

Desperado-VT
Wheme-VT
TheRealGin-VT
Aj the epic-Roleblocker
Implosion-JOAT
Nosferatu-Odd-night cop

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:43 pm

Wheme are you dense?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:44 pm

In post 2279, Nosferatu wrote:I'm an odd-night cop.

N1: Fire - roleblocked
N2: Implosion - town

If you can't see why I believed AJ's claim now, idk what to tell you other than the fact that Alz scumread me.

FOR REAL

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:57 am

The JOAT is seriously our only protection role tho?

I mean it just doesn't seem that balanced with the roleblocker being on scum.

Nosferatu, Implosion are town confirm-ish, only one that can lie here is Nos but the reaction to the AJ claim makes me believe it.

Desperado, Gin, and Wheme are the remaining VTs meaning we are all open to be scum.

AJ claims RB, so that means he can start putting out clears.

As it's D4, we lynch Wheme(sorry but it's the slot I trust the least in the VT's)

During N4, AJ will block either Desperado, or myself, it's his choice really to keep the WIFOM alive.
He won't be able to fake a guilty if he's scum because that means no killing and you don't no-kill with 2 confirm-ish people alive.

Either way, Desperado or myself will be cleared, let's assume it's Desp that's cleared N4, then D5 rolls around Nos is most likely dead but we still have two alive that are confirmed.

At that point the scum is confirmed to be in the roleblocker v. the last remaining VT.

It's also good to note that since AJ can pull out a clear tonight and not tomorrow, scum can't take the chance of keeping him alive. So he should be dead anyways, if not, then that is scum taking a huge gamble, or well, he's just scum.

There are more than likely other scenarios I haven't covered but I'm dumping this information out before I leave today and don't forget what I was thinking.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:04 am

The more I'm thinking about it, we got scum trapped

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:35 am

Burger King Bacon Double Cheeseburger

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:38 am

Wheme, just chill out, talking to Desp

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:44 am

It's either wheme or AJ my man

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:47 am

So, it's kinda interesting if you ISO wheme and ctrl f his "Pers"

P-edit: Well hello there

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:50 am

Unoffical VC

Wheme- Wheme
Aj the Epic- Desperado

4 to lynch

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:53 am

You'd be surprised, I expected it to be higher but people unvoted

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:54 am

I'm trying to make a fool-proof plan going down the road, favorite part of the game

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:03 am

Nah man, you gotta take into account that Implosion is lock town because there can't be a fake inno on Implosion, Occum's Razor tells you that because even if Nos!scum fake claims an inno, it would have to be a true clear because town doesn't fake an inno and fucks the game over.

So Implosion is Locktown
Desp, Pine could give me the biggest fuck you on the planet and I'd cry but really damn close to town BUT NOT 100%
Nos, could be fake claiming cop, we don't know
AJ, could be scum or town roleblocker, we dont know
{AJ and Nos} been iffy slots so we don't know
Wheme and Gin, mere VTs, could be scum, we don't know

(I say it in 3rd party so you can apply it to where you're standing in the chart)

So, planning is involved to weed out any fakers

Right now I like the plan(thank you implosion for the compliment, but I'm currently writing down each night kill choice and lynch to see how each scenario should best be played out.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:04 am

@Nexus, was this game reviewed and if that can be answered, may you also answer who reviewed it?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:07 am

Wheme, I'm playing a game of chess now, taking out a rook so I can trap the king and put him in check is something I'll do every time

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:09 am

I dont know why i keep responding lol, mate i'm not done with my work XD

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:18 am

Implosion, I know I got your approval, but Nos and Desp, would you be okay with including myslef just as lock town in crafting the game plan forward?

If not I can make them take me into account to clear any doubt you may have, otherwise I can just make the plans to clear the smoke on Desp, Nos, and AJ after the wheme lynch.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:04 am

Okay?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:05 am

So you're saying Aj scum read Edos and decided to kill his scum read?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:49 am

gotcha fam, also when it comes to roleblocking, as scum, it doesn't matter who you RB=-fa;dsflak sdf
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WAIT A MINUTE

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:51 am

Okay, so Alisae died right?

Now I'm P-sure Alisae died because of the Grey claim thing about Viggie, now, Nos was roleblocked by AJ and Alisae was able to fire the shot off.

So why would AJ!scum!RB not block Alisae?

Okay I get it's WIFOM to talk about that but I still feel like they picked up on the vig claim and targeted Alisae for that reason.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:31 pm

In post 2356, WhemeStar wrote:Gin you thought about this to much and I'm confused

Welcome to town Gin

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:54 pm

I made a post

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:57 pm

PlayerlistTheRealGin-N-Tonic=VT₁
Desperado=VT₂
Whemestar=VT₃
Implosion=JOAT
AJ the Epic=RB
Nosferatu=Odd Cop

Day 4 PlanLynch VT₃

Night 4 GameplanRB blocks VT₂

Click if there is no kill

Click if JOAT is killed

Click if Odd Cop is killed

Click if RB is killed

Day 5 GameplanNo Lynch and proceed to Night 5 Outcome A

VT₂ is cleared and confirmed town
This means the scum is in VT₁, Odd Cop, RB
No Lynch and proceed to Night 5 Gameplan Outcome B

JOAT and VT₂ are confirmed.
scum is in VT₁ and RB

VT₂ is confirmed town
Scum is in Odd Cop and VT₁

Night 5 Outcome A GameplanRB blocks VT₂
Odd Cop checks RB

Click if there is no kill N5

Click if the Odd Cop is killed N5

Click if RB is killed N5

Night 5 Outcome B GameplanNight Actions:
RB blocks VT₁
Odd Cop checks RB

Click if no kill N5

Click if VT2 is killed N5

Click if RB killed N5

Day 6 Outcome A GameplanIf Odd Cop gives innocent on RB, then scum is VT₂
If guilty, lynch RB Proceed to Night 6 Outcome Gameplan

VT₂ cleared and scum is in RB and VT₁

VT₂ is confirmed town, scum is in VT₁ and Odd Cop

Day 6 Outcome B GameplanIf Odd Cop has guilty, scum is in Odd Cop and RB.
If Odd Cop has innocent, scum is in Odd Cop and VT₁

VT₁ is confirmed
Scum is in Odd Cop and RB

VT₂ is confirmed town, scum is in Odd Cop and VT₁

Night 6 Outcome GameplanHopefully the game is over

If it's not, then JOAT, VT₂ confirmed town, doesn't matter which will die, scum is in Odd Cop and VT₁ if game does not end because of a fake guilty.

Day 7 GameplanJOAT or confirmed VT₂ will be alive, doesn't matter.
Odd Cop votes VT₁ and vice versa.
Confirmed Town is the hammering vote.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:16 pm

You're more likely to flip scum over Desperado.

No offense but from my point of view, I am willing to bet hard money on the meta of Pine tunneling Desperado and the fact that Desperado has been pushing Pers for so long that I can't fathom trying to bus on D2 after a N1 scum kill. Just is just town man, and we have to lynch in the VTs and I don't trust you to carry out my plan because I have trust issues in a mafia game.

If you actually flip scum tho, then woo! Game is over and I wasted 5 hours doing that; but like I said earlier, it has become a game of chess and I've literally mapped it all out. Now we just follow through with it.

I'm ready to end the day
VOTE: Wheme

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:44 pm

In post 1163, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Basically, Pine is generally very Anti-bussing. He taught me that philosophy, if you want to know the level of anti-bussing, we tried to keep Creature AS SCUM, alive as long as we could until someone faked a guilty.

With wheme, and just sheeping Fire, that tells me Fire might be town as Fire would be the town fall guy mislynch and wheme was the direct mislynch he was sitting on.

Pine would have pushed other wagons if a scum mate was getting run up.

Also with Pine calling Desperado scum, I believe that to be town for the same concept I explained above.

Now, with Alz, an ISO skim told me Pine didn't much really interact with Alz so add to the fact that the Alz wagon formed and Pine didn't sheep it, I'm inclined to think Alz can be scum.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:48 pm

The reason you die is because we need a VT to die, if scum ends up being one of the VT's, and we lynch a power role, scum kills the other power role, it's then 4 man MyLo with literally no information to go off of. If you're town there, then we are fucked because I'd vote you over Desperado. You can't even LyLo that either because then you're in a 3 man LyLo going in literally blind.

However, with the plan above, we get the game to the point where we get a 50/50 shot no matter what happens as long as you follow the plans.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:56 pm

Wheme, if VT₂ dies, you literally repeat the process going into Night 5 with VT₁ being roleblocked next, then on that Night 5, you have Odd Cop being able to declare inno or guilty on the RB.

If a guilty or Odd cop declares roleblocked, it's a direct 1v1 between odd Cop and RB, if Odd cop claims inno on RB, it's 1v1 between Odd Cop and VT₁

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:57 pm

The, "Click if The JOAT is killed Night 5 Outcome B" pathway is literally what I just explained to you.

I have literally thought of everything

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:01 pm

I'd just like to say, if Wheme is actually scum I'm gonna be lowkey salty because I spent all day figuring out the PoE process.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:05 pm

Wheme is the game over?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:05 pm

Are you serious

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:06 pm

I SPENT 5 HOURS

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:07 pm

You think I wouldn't have made another list? >_>

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:08 pm

That would work if Imp had a tracking result.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:09 pm

not a tracking result, a tracking shot left

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:10 pm

In post 2401, Aj The Epic wrote:I mean... TBH your entire list is fucked over with "Scum no kills as a fuck you to Gin's list".

wait dude, did you read the list?

I clearly stated what to do if there's a no kill as well.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:11 pm

He prefers to be called "Edos"

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:13 pm

Tbh I viewed him as scummy so it was no surprise, I was actually going to think about pushing him but scum killed a scum read.

To be honest scum this game have been killing back asswords with killing scummy slots that could be mislynched and keeping good town alive

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:27 am

In post 2419, Nexus wrote:WRT balance - I didn't get it reviewed for reasons I will explain at the end. Also, apologies for the thread lock, I had assumed there was a hammer at like 3am this morning so did it on my phone, then forgot about it!

Damn, I was hoping you would say Anti reviewed it

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:34 am

How about no, read the damn chart, lynching a power role leaves us blind, lynching a VT let's us get it down to a 50/50

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:42 am

This game also hasn't been reviewed, so I am in the dark about what sort of balance it should have.

However, I ask you why scum needs a strongman if there is a JOAT with a 1-shot doc as the entire defense town has.

Now, think of the necessity of a strongman with a town role blocker and a JOAT with a doc shot

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:48 am

It doesn't?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:51 am

WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:58 am

It is a flow chart, fucking click the options guys.

IF THERE IS NO KILL, I.E. THE ROLEBLOCKER BLOCKED A KILL, THEN YOU NO LYNCH AND PROCEED TO FOLLOW NIGHT 5 OUTCOME A OR B, WHICH THE CHART TELLS YOU WHICH ONE TO GO TO, AND THEN FOLLOW ACCORDINGLY.

WITH ONE SCUM LEFT, WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT AT LEAST ONE OF NOS AND AJ IS TELLING THE TRUTH.

Seriously, get a pen and paper and follow each scenario and right it down yourself

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:02 am

ITS FLAWED

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:03 am

IF HES WRONG THEN WE GO TO LYLO BLIND

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:03 am

In post 2436, WhemeStar wrote:Yours isn't but I don't like playing the game how you play it

ARE YOU IDIOTIC OR SCUM

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:04 am

Because I've reasoned out it's a scum claim to want to lynch the power roles.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:06 am

WE LITERALLY HAVE THE FUCKING PATH TO VICTORY AND HOW IS IT FUN PISSING ALL THAT AWAY

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:07 am

Lynch AJ and I promise to vote lock you in LYLO that sounds really fucking fun right now

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:08 am

IF AJ IS SCUM WILL FIND OUT IN THE FUCKING FUTURE WONT WE!

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:11 am

GET THIS WHEME, IF DESP IS SCUM WHO IS PUSHING THE RB TO FOIL A GAME BREAKING PLAN, YOU IGNORE THAT SLOT LIKE THE PLAGUE BECAUSE THEY CAN BE PROVEN TOWN OR SCUM THROUGH THE PLAN!

LITERALLY

NO WHERE TO HIDE

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:14 am

Actually play this game Desp is townier, pretty much that's a given

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:15 am

By play*

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:18 am

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:22 am

To be honest I found it really weird for him to claim a wheme/pers team, be correct on Pers, and then forget about you

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:11 am

I am not moving from my plan, sorry not sorry.

Desperado, if AJ is scum, he will show up as the final two suspects no matter what he does.

I am only voting outside of wheme if the chart of optimal play fucking tells me I'm in the optimal play range. Not outside of it.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:14 am

If you lynch Nos, Implosion dies, who is confirmed town and then you have a RB plus 3 VTs and no true way to get clears as we can't confirm the RB's alignment anymore.

Sub-optimal play.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:22 am

Yes, that's a thing...

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:26 am

In post 2466, Desperado wrote:
In post 2458, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:To be honest I found it really weird for him to claim a wheme/pers team, be correct on Pers, and then forget about you
??

my first vote today was Wheme

then we mass claimed

now I'm pretty certain scum is in nos/aj

whats weird or confusing about that

It was weird because I spoke with an assumption that you didn't vote. Now that you did I have no quarrels.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:36 am

In post 2360, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:JOAT and VT2 are confirmed.
scum is in VT1 and RB

Hey AJ, how ya doing there big boy

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:54 am

In post 2483, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 2360, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
JOAT and VT2 are confirmed.
scum is in VT1 and RB

Hey AJ, how ya doing there big boy

In post 2360, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
Playerlist
TheRealGin-N-Tonic=VT₁

Desperado=VT₂
Whemestar=VT₃
Implosion=JOAT

AJ the Epic=RB

Nosferatu=Odd Cop

I made it highly visible in case you didn't notice the first time.

You conf!scum baby.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:55 am

Tell me, with two confirmed town, what exactly is the point of going into night again?

What is pro-town about losing one confirmed townie when it's you vs me?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:58 am

If it's cool I'll let you try to make a case on me but if you just want to end it now I'm chill with that too. I'm just having fun at this point.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:10 pm

Spoiler: Completely color coded VC

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:05 pm

VOTE: AJ

AJ isn't engaging so yeah I'll leave it too Desperado

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:47 pm

The this game taught me that A, I fucking know Pine's meta to a T

and B, if I know Desperado is town, I need to fucking sheep him because I'm good at town hunting and not scum hunting

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:51 pm

I don't troll in MyLo, if I scum win I'd fucking soak it up after a victory mislynch lol

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:51 pm

Do you want me to say I'm scum?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:50 am

I had a lot of fun this game I'm not going to lie.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:54 am

In post 2532, TwoFace wrote:I don't remember much about this game but from the looks of it i was tunneling on a town PR and was only right about pine who was obvious scum. i probably would not have figured persivul was scum and definitely not implosion

Thanks for being obv!town tho, enjoyed an easy slot

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:37 am

In post 2536, TwoFace wrote:It would be a lot easier if townies stopped playing so scummy.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:05 am

In post 2548, nancy wrote:Also, Gin, you are so charismatic it's scary.

That's going in my sig

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:01 pm

I will say the night kill choices had me so perplexed because ya'll kept shooting my scum reads.

Like Fire, bang he's gone.

Then Edos/nancy, bang they're gone.

Then Nos(admittedly for a good reason) and I was like THE FUCK IS GOING ON.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:03 pm

I'M GULLIBLE AND WHEN YOU FAKING SCUM CLAIMS I GET PARANOID ;-;

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:21 pm

In post 2557, Alisae wrote:GIN YOU NEVER PAY ATTENTION TO ME WHEN I DO GOOD THINGS ;~;

Self-image fam.

I really wanted to praise you for the Pine kill, like a lot but I'm a self-aware little Ginny and thought if I made comments it would seem like I was distancing, basically some scummy shit and I don't do scummy, I do obv!town