Surreptitious: The Game of Spies

[SlySly]

Snarky is in C.

VOTE: Group C

[SlySly]

-Grey- and Ram are most likely town. Neither has called me scum yet.

[SlySly]

I'm just being me, Alisae. LMAO.

I'm stuck on my Snarky PL until someone starts scumming it up.

[SlySly]

Like fill me in on why you want to PL Snarky.

Because in my experience, he's always lurker scum.

[SlySly]

Traitor: Lil
Scum: Woodboys, -Grey-, Snarky

The magic 8 ball can't lie.

VOTE: Snarky

[SlySly]

Sly why is Grey scum?

This goes against my read. I'm just reporting my results.

[SlySly]

you joined crowd to vote me,

I'm the ONLY one voting you, hotshot. Nice try.

are we going discuss semantics now? That current moment only you voting me doesn't mean there wasn't other voters willing lynch me today, so you joined crowd that want my head

These are not semantics. These are pure facts. I didn't join anyone on you. I voted you when nobody else was voting you. There is absolutely no "crowd" on you. Not now and not when I voted you. Your wagon has dissipated and they all moved on to vote other people, thus not interested in lynching you anymore, but now I am.

I'm hearing this loud and clear.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Ram

[SlySly]

I am not caught up. I have been without internet for the last 3 days unexpectedly. I'll catch up tonight/tomorrow with something relevant.

[SlySly]

Was that the hammer?

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This is still echoing through my head.

you joined crowd to vote me,

I'm the ONLY one voting you, hotshot. Nice try.

are we going discuss semantics now? That current moment only you voting me doesn't mean there wasn't other voters willing lynch me today, so you joined crowd that want my head

These are not semantics. These are pure facts. I didn't join anyone on you. I voted you when nobody else was voting you. There is absolutely no "crowd" on you. Not now and not when I voted you. Your wagon has dissipated and they all moved on to vote other people, thus not interested in lynching you anymore, but now I am.

[SlySly]

Hmmm, I'm not seeing why we shouldn't lynch from C again.

[SlySly]

Mafia must Night Kill from the previous DPI group that was chosen. If a Group was not chosen in DPI, then Day ends at the deadline that was made for DPI and Mafia can then NK anyone of their choosing. The group that was chosen in DPI, cannot vote in DPII.

If we vote C, 1 in 3 chance of hitting scum. If we miss, scum has to hit within C. If there's a NK, there is one confirmed scum.

What am I missing?

[SlySly]

Ok, I opened the spoiler. I get it now.

1 out 3 is not bad if the one is obvious, but I'm going to reread some stuff with this new understanding.

If we mislynch in the other groups, we are right back in the same situation.

[SlySly]

Does the traitor know who the mafia is, and vice versa?

[SlySly]

Nevermind, I found this...

@mod, does traitor know who the mafia are??

SORRY

This is an open setup, which means all roles are given in full in the game.

Lol @ 661 being completely irrelevant to 596.

I probably was not direct enough. No, Traitor does not know who the Scum are.

If the traitor is in C, he knows there's only one town there. If the traitor is in C, the odds are 2 out of 3. That's much better than any other odds we're going to come up with.

Moving on...

If the watcher is in B, and we're not going to vote C, I'd have to go with A because, call me stupid, but a watcher is more important than FN.

[SlySly]

UB could be A, B, or C.

How does a UB claim help town more than scum?

[SlySly]

The scum might know who the traitor is though.

[SlySly]

Yes. I like wine!

Group A:

BTD6-maker
SlySly
Lil Uzi Vert
Almost50
Woodboys2339

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Woodboy - FN
SlySly - Town

BTD - ??? weren't you the one with the nifty Nea plan?
Almost50 - ??? calling me confirmed scum.
LUV - ??? has pinged my scumdar already, but not so significantly that I remember why

I'm not seeing a sure shot in A.

So, hypothetical...

A's the group. I, or another townie, get lynched. Scum then kills another townie from A. Now we have 2 groups where a mislynch loses.

How does this confirm anyone leading to a town win?

[SlySly]

Group A

BTD6-maker
SlySly
Lil Uzi Vert
Almost50
Woodboys2339

As far as no content goes, I have wine. Anyone up for wine night?

As far as setting up to vote for everyone in a group, this is mafia, you are guilty until proven innocent. Woody's claimed FN. Who else is proven innocent in A?

I know I'm town. So from my perspective, the pool is...

BTD
LUV
A50

It could be 1 town / 2 scum or 2 town / 1 scum.

I was in a game with BTD. He was the same as this, but more active. It was a game based on some card game, Mao, I believe. I didn't follow the game at all after I was lynched. I don't know how the game ended or what he ultimately flipped. Mao was not my thing and for that, the game did not hold my interest. I believe Snarky modded that one. Maybe he can fill us in better than my memory serves.

LUV I was in a game with before. He seemed scummy in that game and has appeared the same as I remember him before. Nothing really specific, just getting the same vibe from his as I did in the past. I don't remember which game it was, but I do believe he replaced out and his slot eventually flipped town, but I could be wrong.

A50, again, played with before, drawing a blank, maybe Timeshift? He came in and immediately struck me as scummy for a little tunneling on me. As game went on, I started leaning town on him and I was ML'd, I believe he was on the wagon. He was town. It's coming back. He was praised as MVP for his replace in townie-ness. I was ML'd. My early reads were scum just like I said early in the game. I, not by him, was dismissed as lucky guesser. He's calling me scum in this game, but he's not nearly as aggressive in this game as he was in the last I played with him.

If I had to vote from this bunch: A50.

[SlySly]

HURT: BTD
HURT: A50 (though less and less now)
HEAL: LUV
HEAL: Sly

I 2nd this for the most part.

BTD has disappeared.

A50, I get where you're coming from. People are different from game to game regardless of role. For instance, someone could be VT in one game and town vig in the next and act completely different.

If I had a vote at this point, I'd probably put it on BTD.

[SlySly]

SlySly have you played any game with BTD6?

He probably has a busy life and cannot devote an enormous amount of time to mafia games as I've seen him softflake several games.

Just one. He was the busiest person in the game while I was in it.

I get the busy rl thing too. I've been too busy for mafia for awhile now. That's why this is the only game I'm in right now. I set a 2 game limit on myself years ago and got a big reminder of why early in 2017 while I was in 5 games.

[SlySly]

I was ragging James for Timeshift before it was cool.

[SlySly]

BTD made it clear the Neapolitan should claim yesterday. He didn't. He ended up dead. Today BTD -once again- made it clear the Backup should claim.

Is BTD conftown somehow?

How does a UB claim help town more than scum?

[SlySly]

And YES.. the way BTD has been going all game he should be conf!Town if you have a brain.

I guess the UB decided their brain was better than BTD's plan.

[SlySly]

I mean, just because you don't understand what someone is trying to do doesn't make them scummy (and scummy =/= scum anyway, but still.. BTD is not even "scummy").

Scum say shit like, "only a dumbfuck wouldn't see it this way," all the time.

[SlySly]

Which BTD didn't say either.

I wasn't talking about BTD. Apparently, you didn't understand what I said.

[SlySly]

No, I didn't. And I still don't, apparently. If you're referring to me, I didn't call you a dumbfuck either and I didn't say you "must" see it my way. What I said is "I don't understand" how people are scum reading him. BIG difference between "I don't understand X" and "it must be something other than X".

Fair enough...

Looking at today's pool.

A50
BTD
LUV
Sly
Woody

A50 - acting like I've seen you act before, you flipped town
BTD - was acting like I've seen him act before, he flipped town, BUT, then he disappeared
LUV - acting like I've seen him act before, he flipped town
Sly - I know I'm town
Woody - claimed FN

See why I would vote BTD?

[SlySly]

Ok

almost

is lock town after that. As

btd

is right he should be town as well. I will have another look at btd and

sly

to decide where to vote.

Forgetting someone?

[SlySly]

[SlySly]

The current state of this game is like going to the restroom taking a shit and making a fireworks show with your ass.

I've done this twice today and after the jalepenos I had for lunch, I'm expecting an encore performance soon.

[SlySly]

And now, jalapenos with supper!!

[SlySly]

Wait, I thought Wood was a weak friendly neighbor, this changes everything.

Grey, why are you scum reading me?

PoE, mainly.

I could vote you or Sly. Flipped a coin.

I thought you TR sly for some reason
Why did I think that?

This is why.

VOTE: SlySly

I know you're probably scum and all, Snarky... but you'd be less obvious if you weren't voting town.

[SlySly]

Ram didn't give a shit about this game enough to be thinking about the dead thread.

[SlySly]

Deadline < 3 days

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Less than one day left. At this point, I'm not sure who I'd vote.

I think my order would be

BTD
LUV
A50

but, any of them flipping scum wouldn't surprise me.

[SlySly]

Why aren't there 6 players in each group?

[SlySly]

Why aren't there 6 players in each group?

This stood out the most to me to honest but I don't think it really means anything.

It means if we vote to lynch A it's going to be harder to get a lynch.

[SlySly]

Yesterdays B is today's A. Today's A had the watcher (confirmed). Since yesterday's A disbanded and PRs distributed to be even as possible, and since today's A has woodboys, we KNOW the nea has to be in today's B.

Yesterday:
Nea in A -> nea in today's B
Nea in B -> not possible or woodboys would be in today's B
Nea in C -> nea in today's B

Literally not possible for you to be nea, aka your claim is false and you're scum.

Woody is in B.

[SlySly]

How does a UB claim help town more than scum?

A50 was quick to point out how. He was also quick to give BTD conftown status.

[SlySly]

That's pretty irrelevant tbh, because

scum has no clue who the traitor is

, and BTD can't be groupscum with A50.

How do you know the bolded?

Nevermind, I found this...

@mod, does traitor know who the mafia are??

SORRY

This is an open setup, which means all roles are given in full in the game.

Lol @ 661 being completely irrelevant to 596.

I probably was not direct enough. No, Traitor does not know who the Scum are.

If the traitor is in C, he knows there's only one town there. If the traitor is in C, the odds are 2 out of 3. That's much better than any other odds we're going to come up with.

Moving on...

If the watcher is in B, and we're not going to vote C, I'd have to go with A because, call me stupid, but a watcher is more important than FN.

The scum might know who the traitor is though.

[SlySly]

4) For both Mafia Traitor and Universal Backup, they are put into a random Groups when the game starts and remain to be placed in random Groups upon a Group dissipating as long as they are not main roles.

Important here:
-PRs are evenly distributed if possible
-UB that takes on a main role is considered a PR, not floating UB.

Doesn't this mean the watcher and the UB (now a main role as the new Neo), can't be in the same group as long as there is more than one group in the game?

[SlySly]

4) For both Mafia Traitor and Universal Backup, they are put into a random Groups when the game starts and remain to be placed in random Groups upon a Group dissipating as long as they are not main roles.

Important here:
-PRs are evenly distributed if possible
-UB that takes on a main role is considered a PR, not floating UB.

Doesn't this mean the watcher and the UB (now a main role as the new Neo), can't be in the same group as long as there is more than one group in the game?

Ok, I did a little reading and thinking here...

I was only thinking we had 2 PR's, Neap(now the UB has assumed this role) & Fn. I was forgetting the Watcher in my head.

Considering the rules...

Power Roles, Mafia and Vanilla Townies will be organized into the new Group(s) as evenly as possible via RNG.

and...

For both Mafia Traitor and Universal Backup, they are put into a random Groups when the game starts and remain to be placed in random Groups upon a Group dissipating as long as they are not main roles.

and the grouping yesterday...

Group A	Group B	Group C
BTD6-maker SlySly Lil Uzi Vert Almost50 Woodboys2339	Transcend -Grey- randomidget TTTT Sesq	SnarkySnowman Nero Cain momo Alisae Ramicius

We had 3 groups yesterday, with 3 PR's active. Transcend as Neap(UB, now a main role) couldn't have been in the same group as the Random the town Watcher (main role), because with 3 main roles even distribution would be 1 main role in each group.

Am I missing something?

[SlySly]

I just realized what I missed.

That group will disperse and will be reorganized.

Power Roles, Mafia and Vanilla Townies will be organized into the new Group(s) as evenly as possible via RNG.

This happens every time the main Mafia member is Lynched from a group.

There was no redistribution after N1 because main scum wasn't killed in C on D1.

[SlySly]

Nah it's just strange that you are TRing me.

Well there's only 1 scum in C unless you are the traitor so...

Is this a scum claim or are you calling Snarky scum?

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I ain't voting LUV or BTD, they are traitor at best.

Random claimed watcher. Trans claimed UB(neap).

That leaves -Grey-, TTTT, and Sesq.

I was so ready to vote Trans until the redistribution details sunk into my head.

TTTT pings my towndar.
-Grey- has seemed town except for the post where he forgot his town read on me.
Sesq has flown under my radar.

Stealthers are always hiding something.

VOTE: Sesq

[SlySly]

UNVOTE: Sesq

I didn't realize I was putting him at L-1.

Consider my vote on Sesq.

[SlySly]

How many does it take to lynch today? Since there are only 5 voters, is it 3? We haven't had a vc in this phase yet to announce it.

[SlySly]

Hmmm. I'm old school. It's not hard to twist my arm on LAL.

[SlySly]

Have we hammered A yet? I'm fine voting A.

[SlySly]

VOTE: A

[SlySly]

"With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch"

Available voters:

1. SnarkySnowman
   
2. Nero Cain
   
3. Alisae
   
4. SlySly
   
5. Woodboys2339

Can we even achieve a lynch today?

[SlySly]

Let's roll!

VOTE: Sesq

[SlySly]

Fun game. I'd play again.

Maybe change the UB to something different. Scum lynching the Neap D1 was a victory for them. If our UB had been, say a vig or something instead, it may have felt more balanced with scum taking the early lead.

[SlySly]

The UB taking on the Neap role was like a reset button for the town.