DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O

[drealmerz7]

QUIT REHASHING THAT SHIT AND JUST LET TITUS READ IT ALL, omg

[drealmerz7]

also, in what fucking world if I'm scum do I permit a NK on TWC?

IN WHAT FUCKING WORLD?!

[drealmerz7]

I think that was gin not understanding my defense of fitz they were questioning? fuck, I can't remember

[drealmerz7]

I'll cry less if you flip VT, actually, but there will still be tears

I'll be weeping 'WHYYYY DO TOWNIES LIEEE, IT HURRTS IT HURTS' *weepweep*

[drealmerz7]

Just because you wish townies wouldn't lie doesn't make it true.

uhhh, duh?

but they really shouldn't

I'll write an essay one day

[drealmerz7]

I need people to tell me why they think I'm scum so I can actually defend myself against those thoughts.

you know

mafia

[drealmerz7]

I understand wraith, that is all

[drealmerz7]

dreal

, talk to me about your T&B read. I need to reread them, though I don't remember finding anything particularly scummy about their play last time I went through their ISO.

dreal

, I don't think you ever did this.

prism pretty much covered it and then some

I'll try to add some/say some in my own words for you:

their initial push on me very much felt like "oh hey this is probably an easy lynch to push with reasoning that won't make me look suspect", and most of the stances they've taken since seem overly cautious and to be "positioning themselves" rather than just "working to figure shit out", with a couple glaring inconsistencies to go along with (the inconsistencies don't come off as "I've changed my mind" but more "hmm if I'm wrong here I should work on validating an out for being wrong once flips come")

they seem totally disinterested in engaging a few slots and that is coming off as both/either "I'm just not going to go there because I can't bring myself around to a read that supports that without looking fishy" and/or "that's a scumbud so I'm not going to talk to that to give any possible credibilty to what other ppl are saying or looking like I'm defending them"

the 1 head has disappeared, and it reads to me like "oops I'm getting more SR and leaving us open to criticism than postie so I'm just stay hushed" - whereas a towny doesn't worry about that because all they should be trying to do is bring ideas to the table for discussion

titus pings me pretty hard but then titus does that when she replaces in to a game because I can't tell if her position is coming from ignorance from not having read the game or from convenient scum who stands by not having read the game to give shit content - gee, titus, the VCs aren't telling you much? HOW ABOUT READING THE GAME FOR CONTENT? it's just so fucking scummy to me it makes me start to rage inside (happened in Drunken Christmas and I let the rage come out and tunneled her pretty hard for that sort of shit-play, but then I was wrong about her so it's nearly impossible for me to get a read there, luckily my head cooled and I switched to the real scum and we won the game, for some reason titus likes to forget she was tunneling me for tunneling her and was the one not to let go of it)

[drealmerz7]

I keep waffling hard on wraith

I don't like how he's played at all and I don't like his claim or reason for claim, but at this point in the game I can't quite see a strong scum-motivation for it, it seems like the sort of thing that should have waited if he's scum to try and write a narrative to suit their agenda whereas as it is I'm open to the possibility that it is just a frustrated towny annoyed at the gamestate and trying to make things happen, and while I don't agree with going about it that way if town, can't discount that it is coming from town who made a bad move out of frustration

if his wagon got going I do think I'd be okay voting there

I can't get a read on shepard either way, and that annoys me

[drealmerz7]

prism has a lot of the same reads I do articulated so much fucking better

I'm quite sure prism is town

ugh, I know quotes are so much better, I suck at mafia these days, I'm so sorry ):

infinity, if I'm not scum and you're not scum, who is scum?

[drealmerz7]

I really don't understand how any SRs prism

all they've done is been super-town in my view

[drealmerz7]

ohya, THAT post, that is one of your posts that pings SO HARD for me, infinity

"I mean" - tonereads to me as "uhhh, yeah, sooo, here are some thoughts for validating my positions"

you don't even start saying anything until the "for example" , which also strikes me as posturing to sound more confident in what you're about to say rather than having confidence in what you're saying

and then the T&B point you refer to is, as prism has ripped it apart previously, fuggin' ridiculous

(postie, you) SR someone because they weren't on 2 town wagons??? that just screams "trying to paint someone as scum who is actually accurate town" - it'd have been so easy for prism to justify being on a town ML if they wanted to, but instead they want to be clear they don't like those wagons/TR the subjects

prism comes off to me as "correct town" rather than "scum trying to distance from MLs" - SO HARD

and the way you prhase it, repeating your "small", again, the tone of that is super-scummy to me, "a good(small) point, tone (which is small for me)"

but no incriminating evidence, but I SR them still! and you SR them beacuse nacho said they could be capable of that as scum - that's so NOT a reason to SR someone, at all

I think YOU wanted TWC dead because you knew after a flip or 2 they'd be after you

you can't NK prism because that turns TWC to you, and you know prism is doing good reads and so you keep them alive and try to push an empty case on them

rambling thoughts, but, yeahhh, thanks for pointing that one back out, you're so scum!

[drealmerz7]

I don't know if you miss what I'm saying, I'm bad at saying it, or you are conveniently ignoring it

but you didn't actually address any of the issues I have with that post

[drealmerz7]

it's not the what but how the what with the what on top

clearer?

[drealmerz7]

I'm Queen Mary of Orange

and I'm a mason

[drealmerz7]

if they care to, yep, I think they probably will, up to them

we discussed it a bit but I told them it is up to them if/when it actually comes to it

[drealmerz7]

what the fuck people

if I were scum with a fakeclaim, I'd have made it a good one AND come up with it myself

this is not that however

[drealmerz7]

anyone who expects a mason-fake claim to have a scumbuddy come claim masonbuddy with them...

...

...

...

isn't so good at mafia

[drealmerz7]

I mean I suppose it is more viable in a 20+player setup

but a 13p makes no fucking sense when it is likely only 3 scum, the associative implications are too dire

[drealmerz7]

Let's not narrow down the likely partner and make things easier for scum.

it could be scum doing the narrowing down trying to figure it out...

[drealmerz7]

wraith, because it is a possibility

that is pro-town to share the thoughts

[drealmerz7]

it's not about giving me a pass or not

it's about, I claimed at L-1, some ppl may be on my wagon and then believe the claim and unvote me

this has happened I think? at this point, I'm not longer under pressure of lynch, and I'm not sure if my partner should co-claim or not (it just helps scum figure out how to path towards a victory)

you should be lynching me based on belief and thoughts, not because "role"

wraith, shooting a claimed bodyguard makes no fucking sense - scum are going to avoid you 1.) because you're a potential future lynch based on how you've played and 2.) they'd prefer to go after other PRs because of the utility of BG

the last thing scum wants to do is confirm me by shooting my unclaimed partner, they're going to try to figure out who it is in case they don't co-claim so they don't accidentally shoot and then confirm a towny in me after

ideal scum move after my claim would have been to hammer me before my partner claims so we don't verify each other, this makes those who have issues with the unvotes suspect in some ways

[drealmerz7]

... I think I could lynch AC.

why AC? if my claim is to be believed, AC researched my claim and unvoted me basedon the sense of the flavor

why wouldn't they stay on me and hope a hammer comes before a partner claim?

wraith+titus looking more and more suspect

[drealmerz7]

but really everyone should just stfu until more ppl chime in

[drealmerz7]

Dude, if they have a scum pm, they know you are honest in this setup and don't want to be seen pushing you.

this is utter nonense

as said already, scum stays on my wagon in this instance hoping a hammer comes before the CC

they weren't pushing me at all, they were resolved to my lynch and once they got a single whiff of "no it's not a good lynch", they're off, that is not a scum move at all, especially when other players are taking the forefront of the push on me after the claim

[drealmerz7]

Not quite sure about what this means.

possibly means "get ready to be bused, buddy"

[drealmerz7]

can I be jack the ripper in DoY II?

I want to kill everyone

[drealmerz7]

coming over

UNVOTE: infinity 324
VOTE: titus

[drealmerz7]

if he's an actual BG it makes sense to quietly hunt for town PRs though, especially the jk/rb if they exist (because you just keep guarding them while they do their thing and hopefully not picking you)

what doesn't make sense is ot play as scummy as wraith did D1 if that was his thinking because then he's just drawing the jk/rb onto himself


soo...more pondering there

p-edit: titus, why the fuck are you trying to PoE the mason buddy? OH IN CASE YOU'RE LYNCHED TODAY SO YOUR SCUMBUDS KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS, NM

[drealmerz7]

that's why you don't play scummy as BG

you should be LAMIST as BG

[drealmerz7]

holy fucking shit I just had a post and deleted it all because you ppl hurt my head so GD much

everything wraith is saying hurts is just wrong

pretty much everything titus is saying is wrong

competent scumteam kills the BG?!?!?!? like do you actually believe that or do yuo actually believe you can sell that point of view to others??!?!?

omg the posts *enter enter enter enter*

[drealmerz7]

wraith, WHY THE FUCK are you surprised, much less "infuriated" to be blocked after PLAYING INTENTIONALLY SCUMMY???

you ask why you would come out to having visited TWC on the Night they were killed? BECAUSE SCUM DO THAT "I visited the klil target and in case anyone saw me let me get ahead of it and explain why I was there"

OIJHAERIOAJERFAI[OWMEFDAWEMIO

[drealmerz7]

titus is not being sensible!!!!

SHE'S STILL SCUM THOUGH

wraith, how about instead of trying to figure out what alternative lynches are on the table, you just let the game move on organicially

we still have a handful of ppl to check-in and catch up with this shit and give input, and so many things could come of that, deciding now "who else if not dreal me or titus" is pre-mature and major scummy

[drealmerz7]

die scum die indeed

[drealmerz7]

STOP REPOSTING YOUR POSTS FFS

they are each contained in a single post

people read the game, post by post

what the fuuuuuuuuck

[drealmerz7]

People miss stuff a lot.

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[drealmerz7]

all I did was pose the possibility, I will read it when it unfolds instead of making any pre-emptory certainties

[drealmerz7]

titus unvoted me

[drealmerz7]

sounds reasonable

smart even

SHOCKING

no surpise!

[drealmerz7]

they did

we're mason buds

[drealmerz7]

?

explain your thoughts

[drealmerz7]

Wtf where did they claim masons

-- Postie

just read and catch up, eh?

[drealmerz7]

where do you see them claiming shots? or to be a masonizer?

[drealmerz7]

I don't get many shots before I die,

Oh did I read this wrong

-- Postie

yes I believe that means they expect to be NKed and have to give while the giving is givable

[drealmerz7]

oh, postie

that mean you leaving us both alive at night and going for this narrative? cause damn, you're screwed ifso

[drealmerz7]

and that is "damn that is surprising"

not "damn!"

[drealmerz7]

Scum could leave them alive to mislynch one of them no?

that is the agenda you were trying to set up earlier, right?

[drealmerz7]

we're just masonbuds

no masonizing

I'm Queen Mary II, prism is my husband William

we rule together

[drealmerz7]

I prefer scum try and NK 1 of us and force wraith to BG 1 of us if he is town and, if he is, scum and him have to play a guessing game of who to pick

ehhh, is that not optimal?

[drealmerz7]

I prefer scum try and NK 1 of us and force wraith to BG 1 of us if he is town and, if he is, scum and him have to play a guessing game of who to pick

ehhh, is that not optimal?

Prism should have stayed silent so scum would had to have shot you and you crumbed your buddy. Then no wifom at all.

aye I thought they would stay silent actually as the optimal play, but it still works this way

I think if we would have been sure that wraith was town BG maybe it would have gone that way beacuse they have to shoot me but he gets to protect me and they fuckup the NK? eh, too late now anyway, would like to discuss after the game optimal plays though

again, now they are forced to pick me or prism and it helps sort wraith and possibly gets a night without a kill

[drealmerz7]

I would never fucking do that

[drealmerz7]

why does AC come off my wagon if scum?

[drealmerz7]

you refuse to catch up because you are town?

...it...

...hurts...

...my...

...head...

[drealmerz7]

UNVOTE: titus
VOTE: Tea and Biscuits

[drealmerz7]

Why Drealmerz?

:/ That like will make it harder to get a lynch if the votes are split.

T&B is scum with Titus but still.

give it time, a lynch will still come on one of these two (it better), this allows wagons+ analysis to be even more meanigful / telling

gotta find the 3rd scum assuming both of titus+TB is correct

[drealmerz7]

you have to read the game, postie

[drealmerz7]

agree my 3rd lean is toward infinity (if that wasn't obvious from previousness)

[drealmerz7]

we need the nonvoters to commit to a push they believe in

[drealmerz7]

if titus is a lynch you believe will hit scum, wraith, vote it - if there is someone you think is more likely scum, vote there

You said yourself the masons are too obvtown for scum to leave alive. So why would scum!postie try and throw shade on them?

postie does that exactly for the reason 'ohmy look at that that is too blatantly wrong, must be town dumbtunneling' or somesuch similar, it's kind of a scum-LAMIST move

[drealmerz7]

the fact that titus is the hot wagon and is not voting is super-suspect, of course, and it'd be swell if she committed somewhere

[drealmerz7]

I'm not using it as a reason to explain why she's town, I'm trying to understand why math thinks it's scummy.

what's led you to think that shep is math? did I miss something? was it in your scumchat?

[drealmerz7]

aye and titus is not doing the towny thing by 1.) defending herself from being lynched and explaining why what she has done is town and we shouldn't lynch her and 2.) pushing a counterwagon she believes to actually be scum and trying to convince others that it is the right choice

she should do that

[drealmerz7]

@shep 2736

that is why this wagon business is being handled the way it is, it will help us deduce the potentialities of the remaining scum going forward

this is why scum crapped themselves when I claimed

this is why masons are super-strong when played well

this is why I was so excited from the onset of the game, having rolled mason with prism

and am a little disappointed in myself I haven't been able to play a tighter game, but we're on a good path now

think infinity might just be playing into naiveté and scum here

[drealmerz7]

ok but quit pinging me it is making me antsy

[drealmerz7]

I did throw shade at prism, ftr

something like "surprised they weren't NKed they could be scum", but that was just to continue to not telegraph our masonry too hard and to put a little distance because I'd been "buddying" them really hard and wanted to see if I could get some momentum in my/their direction (figured scum would pick up on it more than town) and push 1 of us and I could ID potential scum that way

the hard blatant buddying/hard TRing is the "crumbing" of our masonitetitis that has been existent all game, obviously

[drealmerz7]

I don't think anything needs discussed at this point

we just need someone to commit to the titus lynch

those not lynching titus at this point are supersuspect except for the 3 on t&b

I think we can determine that T&B is scum by the location of their vote and the lack of a vote on titus (a little too scared to be drawn in to suspicion by hammering for 'towncred', but, in doing so, has just made themselves more confscum, imo)

so, I'm trying to discern who the final scum could be based on who hammers and in what regard

it is odd that titus didn't self-hammer at this point too, but hey, what's the rush? read a book and wait for things to unfold

[drealmerz7]

"except for the 3 on T&B"

and I had actually mistaken who was where when I typed that

I thought AC was on T&B and empking was not-voting along with titus

so, yep, will just await prism's go-ahead (they'll likely just hammer after they check in)

you do realize that being antsy for the lynch is major-suspect, wraith? like...it's likely prism or I or you (if you're townBG) are the kill tonight (you said so yourself), so allowing prism to get in final thoughts and reads about everything is pretty crucial in case they're killed tonight, ya?

[drealmerz7]

GO

READ

A BOOK

and quit paying attention

and then be pleasantly surprised when the Day is over

[drealmerz7]

infinity get yourself back on titus

if empking is lying we will find out with the titus lynch and just lynch empking tomorrow

[drealmerz7]

though I suppose it could be scum giving a town-result on a true towny for towncred, but, that seems utterly ridiculous and nothing titus has done up to this point has been the slightest bit towny and the practically scumclaimed by not claiming and saying "good luck team" instead of "good luck town"

[drealmerz7]

why the fuck do you not lking have to claim it now, empking?

if you are 1-shot town cop, you are now vanilla and you would be saving another towny's life by claiming and giving us the valuable information before you die because:

if you were 1-shot town cop, you shouldn't have claimed your shots and let scum kill you tonight and saved me+prism without doubt

none of this makes sense other than a desperate attempt to save a more powerful team-mate

if titus were town, that would mean all scum are on her wagon because scum would have hammered with a free town-lynch without being suspect

ugh

reflecting a while

[drealmerz7]

my reflection led me to think what AC said: that it is a desperate attempt to save a strong scum PR - possibly strongman so that, if you are townBG, wraith, your protection doesn't matter, possibly multi-shot, especially considering the 3x town RBer

also, a 1x cop or any sort of cop is way OP with masons in the game, I just don't see it unless scum is packing some serious fucking punch beyond just strongman's and RBers of their own

[drealmerz7]

but the logic is flawed about towntitus necessarily means townempking

towntitus could mean scumempking

whereas townempking means towntitus unless titus is a GF

egh, it is weird to me you didn't consider strongman, it is the 1st thing I thought of making sense

[drealmerz7]

titus could actually be a scum JOAT, even

[drealmerz7]

well, you should be open to ANYthing being possible, assumption doesn't come in to it in my mind

I just hosted a mini-normal and the setup was:

JK
2-shot vig
BG
compulsive BG
5VTs

2-shot mafia RB
1-shot mafia strongman
goon

1-shot BP 1-shot strongman SK

[drealmerz7]

Titus flip >> Titus town anything >> Something is very wrong with this game Empking off limits while we review the whole game.

this is not right

shep keeps pinging me more and more

as it's already been covered that it could be empscum going for towncred on a towntitus flip, saying if titusflips townanything and empking is 'off limits' is really suspect to me

[drealmerz7]

well let them explain rather than speaking for them, eh?

also, meant to address ap oint with you emp, coming up...

[drealmerz7]

why the fuck do you not lking have to claim it now, empking?

no, you had said you didn't like having to make the claim "even now" when you made it

why didn't you like having tomake the claim? it makes no sense to me, if you've got 1 chance to clear someone, why the hesitance or dislike of it at all?

and why did you wait so long when, if titus is town like you claim to believe, scum could have potentially hammered at any point (or a townie for that matter, say prism came in and was liek 'yep kill titus time' and hammered and you hadn't outted your supposed result)

[drealmerz7]

it's not the distaste for early-claiming I find unreasonable necessarily, I'm just trying to understand it more fully

believe me, I don't need to play 9 years to develop a distaste for unprompted claims, I already have it, severely, I come from a different site where claims made before L-1 are severely frowned upon (as in, it's almost policy lynch territory - you just don't do it) - so I come at your claim from that background of being pretty vehemently opposed to ppl claiming willy-nilly

and I still feel your hesitance to claim, the delay in your claim, is somewhat fishy (ahahaha! *looksat your avatar*) - but I do understand the hesitance

what do you think of the possibility of titus being godfather (or as she said "godmother")

[drealmerz7]

I think I'm at the tentative conclusion that if titus flips godfather, I'm more apt to believe empking's claim (there is also a claimed mason)

however, it's quite a nice scum tactical gambit if the scumteam comprises of infinity/empking/titus with titus being godfather because, well, do I have to spell it out?

[drealmerz7]

how is it possible he'd die if prism or myself are the necessary targets tonight?

[drealmerz7]

well that doesn't do this game any good (:

we're trying to solve this game

[drealmerz7]

like I said I think 1-shot cop with 2 masons makes for a really fucking strong town, but it COULD be true, depending on the setup, ESPECIALLY if we do have an actual miller and a godfather

it still speaks to a pretty damn heavy town (because there's no guarantee the cop hits any of those roles), but it makes it MORE likely to be possible, if those 2 roles are actually in the setup

[drealmerz7]

ohman, that is shady as fuck, infinity

"oh right!"

geezogeez

[drealmerz7]

what if titus flips godfather?

[drealmerz7]

as in, as I already posed: would you find empking's claim more believable then? especially if you assume infinity's claim to be true?

[drealmerz7]

so you didn't buy his explanation at all?

you do realize that sorting WIFOM is the crux of good mafia, ya?

[drealmerz7]

you do understand that I'm doing what I think is healthy mafia in getting you to express those thoughts more and helps us sort things as we move forward, ya? you were cursory in your explanation before and I wanted you to take some things in to consideration and further scrutinize, especially after your generalized comment that I didn't feel applied to this game

thank you for partaking, I think it could definitely prove useful in further evaluations

[drealmerz7]

doubt prism would be mad, they're likely aware of the potentiality

luckily we can talk in our PT and I can get whatever notes from them and they from me to be shared on the next Day if either of us dies

but I hope wraith dies

[drealmerz7]

do not guard shep

[drealmerz7]

what did I do that you didn't like?

[drealmerz7]

oh you mean wraith, mybad

[drealmerz7]

cept you didn't lock the thread, eh! :þ

not that I care, but sure would love to see the flip!

[drealmerz7]

oh you JUST did it, damn hour difference on the timestamps from me

[drealmerz7]

wraith, you lying sack of...

ugh

hate town liars

fucking

hate

[drealmerz7]

so empking could be scum who knew their bud was going down and gave the result knowing it might clear them a bit

or, could really be 1shotcop

look at all that town power on the table though, what else does scum have in their pocket? having a hard time imagining what it could be to balance and one of the things that comes to mind first is: an extra scum, so instead of looking for 2 more, we could be looking for 3 more

could be another godfather?

definitely likely a strongman, probably multi shot

possibly a JK/RBer of their own, again, possibly multishot

maybe they have a scumvig in their pocket they're holding on to, but that seems less likely?

thoughts? I like prism's thought there about the fakemiller as that does give scum some knowledge power advantage to manipulate things with, and if that is how it is, kudos to ari for coming up with that

[drealmerz7]

I'm a b unch of pages behind now

I'll catch up at some point

hopefully today?

[drealmerz7]

I probably shouldn't speak out of turn/without reading everything

but shepard pings me hard

[drealmerz7]

You know what the problem with the majority of players on this site of late? It's they do not play the game at all. They just either roll dice on whom to vote or see if they dislike someone's avatar or something. That doesn't only result in losing games, but it creates a poor player base from those who are newly joining in. With nobody to look up to and no reason to improve, as no matter how bad their play is they won't get lynched for it. Townies will play like shit and careless and scum will be also careless and no one will develop any scum-hunting/town-deceit skills because that's not what the game is all about anymore. *Sigh*

And you sure know what they say.. "If you can't beat them; join them" (and laugh at them afterwards)

~A50

agreed this is a huge problem around here, but it's not everyone

I've been fighting hard against this shit since joining this site, and will continue to do so

[drealmerz7]

Prism Drealmerz what do you need to solve the game?

At this point I think mass claim is in order.

well I need to re-read, read this Day, and then:

1 more death should do it for me

I just have to figure out whose I want that will 1.) ofcourse most likely hit scum but if not 2.) flush out who the remaing scum are and of course 3.) a combination of 1+2 would be premium so I'm trying to figure out who qualifies

what do people think about there being 4 scum with the display of power we have going on here? if ppl addressed this already no need to repeat yourselfs, I'll get it when I read

[drealmerz7]

masons are half a PR each? that makes not much sense to me

masons are uber-powerful, arguably the most powerful town role, to me

[drealmerz7]

what do people think about there being 4 scum with the display of power we have going on here?

Do you realize if this was the case then today is MyLo already??

~A50

not really sure I understand why you bother to even make this post

[drealmerz7]

Because it means if we mislynch it's game over, and then the 2nd point in your 3039 becomes obsolete.

~A50

quit making pointless posts and either respond to what I've said or don't

[drealmerz7]

it only makes sense that empking would want to save titus in that manner if titus has a crucial powerrole that they felt they needed to keep alive, even if just for 1 more Night, to have a better chance at winning

Godfather is not such a role

[drealmerz7]

I don't think empking was trying to protect titus, I think empking was trying to come up with a believable fakeclaim

that makes absolutely zero sense

why would he feel the need to come up with a fake claim

and why do it then/there/like that? draws more suspicion and scrutiny WAY more than alleviates any

[drealmerz7]

Maybe that was his safeclaim. Or he claimed a PR to cast doubt on the other PRs. (If the amount of power makes sense, town can just lynch in the VT claims).

Or maybe he did it because he thought people would say what you're saying, that it's a weird thing for scum to do. Remember titus had given up even while empking was still defending her, that would fit with that sort of gambit.

Idk. I don't see why scum wouldn't do that

nah, again, you're trying to self the WIFOM of it when the WIFOM of it doesn't make more sense than just staying quiet if he's scum

[drealmerz7]

If scum wanted one of their other members to claim a power role, what would they claim and when?

I have no idea, but I DON'T think it would be that, then, like that, at all. Again, it just brings unnecessary attention and scrutiny and the WIFOM of that does NOT outweigh the risk.

[drealmerz7]

I just don't see empking doing that here, like that, at all

he's an experienced player from what I can tell

the move was calculated, not careless, if he's scum it was a calculated scum move, if he's town, he was being truthful in it being a calculated decison to clear someone he thought was clear - the only thing that doesn't add up there is if he is truly 1-shot why he hesitated giving the innocent on an innocent

gahhhhh, maddening

[drealmerz7]

armchairs

hehe

[drealmerz7]

I'm so fucking pissed at all of you townies who voted infinity

that is sooooo not how to teamplay - I told you I was getting to some analysis, and we had plenty of time

that lynch was bogus, and infinity was sooo likely town and I was going to argue for such

you're all on my shitlist!

oh, and, quite sure shepard is scum, they gifted prism a picture that pretty much was like "infinity is scum"

VOTE: commander shepard

other 2 most likely scum are AC and T&B

[drealmerz7]

that's not ridiculous at all

but honestly I'm kind of guessing he's possibly more than 1-shot and just said that to not draw the NK

[drealmerz7]

VC 3.LYNCH!!!

Infinity

(5): Prism 2865, Empking 2965, Shaddowez 3064, Commander Shepard 3070, Almost Chara 3073

-- LYNCH!!!

pretty sure with how rushed that lynch went that both scum are on this wagon

empking does NOT make sense for scum atall as I explained to infinity yesterday

that gives me CS and AC as my top scumpicks

if only prism would have listened to me in our chat and not voted infinity (they were TRing shepard hard and totally believed the gift from shep implicating infinity)

CS needs to die

[drealmerz7]

I'm not unvoting at all

and watch 2 scum not come on and vote you, since you're scum...

I told you why scum shot wraith too, T&B, because they thought his claim was real and he was a BG, they were going to try and write a narrative of having gone for one of the masons, but since that backfired, their plans of changed

[drealmerz7]

have

wtf

[drealmerz7]

explain your gift to prism to me then and if I buy it or it makes sense, then I'll unvote

[drealmerz7]

also provide me with 2 feasible scumroles that scum will have in light of all the town power on the table

[drealmerz7]

that is not the picture prism described to me

[drealmerz7]

do you think T&B is town?

explain the reaper with the no sign, what does it mean?

[drealmerz7]

I tried playing Mass Effect 1 twice and couldn't make it past 10 minutes because the dialogue was so atrocious, AND the frikken dialogue options DID NOT ACTUALLY REPRESENT WHAT THE FUCK YOU WERE SAYING

fucking bioware

[drealmerz7]

you know we're at 6 alive with likely only 2 scum left, right?

that makes 4 to lynch

[drealmerz7]

what do you say to me saying:

I've been in a handful of games with you, and you've always been town

and in this game, you're totally different?

[drealmerz7]

I pick...


my nose


*flings boogies*

[drealmerz7]

btw I unlocked the achievement of getting to L-1 and surviving

woooooooooo

[drealmerz7]

1-shot cop in miller+godfather setup:

2 chances to get a real scum result
1 chance to get a fake scum result
1 chance to get a fake town result

that's 2 and 2 which makes 4 (yes, I double-checked)

4/13 chances to get an interesting result

9/13 chances to get a non-interesting result

that's a 4:9 ratio which makes it 44.44444444444444444444444444% chance vs. 55.5555555555555555555555555555% chance

seems to make total sense

and it'd also make sense, like I said, for him to claim 1-shot when not

[drealmerz7]

no, how am I being ridiculous?

[drealmerz7]

explain because I'm not sure what that means

[drealmerz7]

noshit

why are you stating the obvious

holyfuck ppl

[drealmerz7]

that doesn't prevent me from having a scumlean on you or from knowing that I'm possibly wrong

this isn't a game of absolutes

[drealmerz7]

except I'm absolutely townconf now, which is cool

[drealmerz7]

I want AC to claim, can I demand that?

[drealmerz7]

no, it's just not uber powerful

and it adds intrigue

empking should claim his flavor, btw

AC claimed VT and then retracted it I thought, unless it was then re-claimed- evenso, flavorclaim required

SHEP IS SCUM THAT IS NOT THE IMAGE THAT PRISM GOT

[drealmerz7]

plain lies

[drealmerz7]

lynch with all haste, ppl

[drealmerz7]

wait your syntax of sharing images just sucks ass

I was looking at the one you WANTED to send as the 1 you sent

fucking hell, shep, can you be less horrible please?

evenso, I still think you're scum

[drealmerz7]

why even share the 1 you "wanted to share but couldn't?"

fucking hell

[drealmerz7]

and why has T&B not voted you if they're scum?

I still want you to give me scumroles that offset the uber-townpower being displayed

[drealmerz7]

all 3 of who, T&B?

where do you see I'm SRing wez?

[drealmerz7]

I don't even know why you are

[drealmerz7]

ohya taht reminds me

shep, wtf did you want wraith to protect you instead of prism or myself?

[drealmerz7]

you wanted him to guard you because you wanted to die? and figured it would make you die?

explain how that works to me

[drealmerz7]

"you and drealmerz"

...you seem flustered

[drealmerz7]

still not seeing all the dots connected...

so you just hoped that wraith wouldn't listen to you and protect me or prism instead of protect you when you called for it?

[drealmerz7]

and you thought scum would think wraith would ignore you and go for killing you because of your simple call for protection?

[drealmerz7]

if you're town and really wanted prism+me to live, it seems way too risky to ask for protection rather than just count on wraith picking the correct target, no?

[drealmerz7]

and why isn't T&B voting you now if they're scum and you're not?

[drealmerz7]

AND WHYTF DID YOU ALL LYNCH INFINITY GRAAHHHHHH

he was my strongest TR

I'm SO MAD

[drealmerz7]

explain because I'm not sure what that means

You were pretty sure that both scums are on Infinity's wagon and T&B was not.

~A50

you ppl seriously hurt my fucking head at times

[drealmerz7]

yes but I responded to the stated obviousness already, and I wouldn't even think I'd have to make that comment

so to repeat, if I'm not correct about AC+CS, then T&B comes in to the equation

I don't assume I'm correct on AC+CS, it's called talking about possibilities

and the reality of my reads, which is scumlean on T&B, that doesn't disappear when another theory is posed

potentialities

possibilities

sharing my thoughts

[drealmerz7]

yes but I responded to the stated obviousness already, and I wouldn't even think I'd have to make that comment

so to repeat, if I'm not correct about AC+CS, then T&B comes in to the equation

I don't assume I'm correct on AC+CS, it's called talking about possibilities

and the reality of my reads, which is scumlean on T&B, that doesn't disappear when another theory is posed

potentialities

possibilities

sharing my thoughts

I'll assume you hadn't paid attention earlier, but would you be kind enough to ISO us vs Shepard?? FGS, I would buy us being scum with ANYONE but Shepard. They wanted to lynch us for the sake of it.

Also, what do you make of a THREE SHOT ROLEBLOCKER in town's hands? What was farside supposed to block??

I'm not buying Empking is Town for a bit. It's Emp + CS (but some argue it's Shaddowez, which is fine).

~A50

all I can do is scumhunt 1 at a time and give my evaluations as I see them

they expressed lynching you when you were in no real danger of being lynched, could just be a ruse, they didn't really TRY to get you lynched, and it doesn't really matter to me for how I play, I get my scumreads how I get them, words matter much less than actions when it comes to scumbud associations, as setting up history of SR a scumbud is how good scum play anyway

the way you've pushed certain players, your jump on infinity, how it seems you were trying to setup a mason lynch in lylo, and my earlier, long-lived SR on you have me having you where I do, if you like I can move you above CS and go for lynching you?

like I've said, I really don't see empking drawing the attention with the claim he did as scum, titus was going down and there's no reason to expose himself like that for a godfather role

3shot roleblock is obviously for doc, cop, fruit vendor, scumkills, and whatever else might still be out there, duh?

CS - I'm not asking you to mindread, I'm asking for you to theorize - wtf? what a shitty way to avoid giving analysis, and your reasons for voting infinity are crappy

I tried talking prism out of voting infinity but they kind of disappeared

[drealmerz7]

thanks~

[drealmerz7]

Tempted to vote Empking but I wanna reread Almost Chara's ISO, especially with the quickhammer. I'm not sure there was much incentive for them to quickhammer as scum? Like I don't know what they'd have gained from it. Seems like it would just draw unnecessary attention to them. Idk. Mulling it over.

-- Postie

it's called getting to Night so I don't convince ppl to unvote infinity

so we can't massclaim

and then getting to Night and killing Prism

it was really scumtastic to hammer like that after I asked for some time and we had it

[drealmerz7]

i.e. Purely from a balance PoV, no Cop helps more (gives scum a safe fake claim) than a 1-shot Cop.

~A50

to me this argues more to the point that it is likely to be in the game, as, it looks pretty townsided to me (masons and a doctor alone)

again I ask, why would scumempking expose himself to scrutiny like that in the light of an impending scumbuddytitus lynch? doesn't he get more towncred by busing/hammering at that point? as you saw the result was almost HIS lynch, and as scum he would/should have anticipated such a shift to him for doing that, whereas a truetowny goes ahead and puts himself out on a limb like that-trying to save someone they actually think to be town - the wifom of all of that is not worth the risk, imo

[drealmerz7]

what I said has nothing to do with you, I'm talking about empking being town, that you are making it about you, pings me quite hard

[drealmerz7]

Also, I either was setting the Masons for a mislynch in LyLo/Mylo or I sanctioned the kill on a Mason the night before MyLo. You can't have them both either.

~A50

they're both perfectly viable theories, I never said it is both of them, clearly

[drealmerz7]

what I said has nothing to do with you, I'm talking about empking being town, that you are making it about you, pings me quite hard

And now you're REALLY getting on my nerves. I wasn't even responding to your post about Empking. I was responding to the series of posts you had before.

~A50

got it, thanks

so you think it is empking and wez, eh? and only wez because of his case against titus before titus was lynched?

why didn't you wait on the hammer on infinity?

[drealmerz7]

votes on who you think is scummiest, folks

[drealmerz7]

and by that of course I mean who you think is most likely to be scum

and, CS, that's...so helpful...now that AC has already provided that perspective for me...

[drealmerz7]

that's not what I said at all

ffs

[drealmerz7]

and by that of course I mean who you think is most likely to be scum

[drealmerz7]

I can't since he's my biggest scum read.

I can't comprehend this

[drealmerz7]

V

O

T

E

[drealmerz7]

Okay!
VOTE: Aristophanes

that's the spirit!

what a good role MODel!!!

[drealmerz7]

I rephrased to 'who you think is most likely to be scum" - but, why can't you vote on policy?

[drealmerz7]

actually if empking were scum and tried to pull that gambit with titus, it makes absolute sense also that 1 of the ppl hopping on to empking and abandoning the titus wagon when that happened would also be scum for the ultimate "1 of us will get out of this alive with supreme towncred" ploy

[drealmerz7]

if that is what happened, I commend whoever came up with it, but I don't really think that is what is going on at all

I dislike that everyone seems to have a shepard TR though :\

[drealmerz7]

I want everyone to tell me why the TR shepard

shepard I want you to tell me what your thought process was coming in to this game more elaborate (much more elaborate) than "I thought I'd try something new", explain to me your approach - because I've played a handful of games with you now, and I get the same vibes from you in all of those games, and you were town in all of those games, and you here is totally different

[drealmerz7]

hrm, I'm still not really getting what I want you to get at. Of course I understand why you chose to alt and that you are posting differently is obvious. I'm asking what your thoughts were on how you were going to approach playing differently, with your different posting style, etc. What you're giving me is just the general surface stuff, I want to know what your thoughts were about the differences. It's a conscious thing you're doing, playing differently, so tell me about it.

If you're still not getting what I'm getting at, don't sweat it too much, but I am definitely looking for more about your approach than what you're giving (you're basically stating the obvious, I want to get inside your head.)

[drealmerz7]

there's plenty of time, wez, take it easy and peace be with you

[drealmerz7]

that's makes notsense to me considering their proclaimation of coming in to the game with a different approach than normal and even so, is a very weak reason to TR someone

[drealmerz7]

what is the 'how they did the what and why' specifically?

[drealmerz7]

postie, would love more from you any day now

[drealmerz7]

I want everyone to tell me why the TR shepard

not looking good for you, T&B

[drealmerz7]

those who SR them need to be trying harder to convince me wez is scum, that AC is scum

work work work

[drealmerz7]

that VC is only useful next Day, really

I mean it's a little useful now, sure, but...ugh I wish I had one more Day to live

fucking infinity lynch was horrible...I'm still mad

[drealmerz7]

this would all make so much more sense if Empking was just scum, but then my ire would be at Aristophanes for sticking in a Godfather and Miller and no cop.
~Chara

nah, that is pretty great for a mod to do

shit, do we have empking's flavor somewhere?

GIVE ME MASSCLAIM WITH FLAVORS

[drealmerz7]

bork bork looks so fucking scummy

king john, that does make sense for an enforcer of the law...hmmmm

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: Commander Shepard
i'm not trusting my gut, this is the only thing that makes sense to me. conftown is here. you're telling me no scum are even attempting to capitalize on that?
~Chara

...as you attempt to capitalize on that...and then quickly retract

??

I can only wonder

p-edit


whoahowahowhoahoahaooaoa hold the holy fucking phone - shep is scum

elizabeth II???? IN DAYS OF YORE MAFIA?!?!?!? I THINK NOT

[drealmerz7]

I fucking love leonard cohen

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: Commander Shepard
i'm not trusting my gut, this is the only thing that makes sense to me. conftown is here. you're telling me no scum are even attempting to capitalize on that?
~Chara

...as you attempt to capitalize on that...and then quickly retract

??

I can only wonder

p-edit


whoahowahowhoahoahaooaoa hold the holy fucking phone - shep is scum

elizabeth II???? IN DAYS OF YORE MAFIA?!?!?!? I THINK NOT

Dude really?

This is British Monarchy -- Queen Elizabeth the Second is one of the most famous monarchs of all time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II

In fact she's still around today.

yes, really

DAYS OF YORE - BRITISH MONARCHY

AS IN DAYS OF YORE IN THE BRITISH MONARCHY

NOT DAYS OF PRESENT

yell at ari for a bad fakeclaim if he gave it to you is all I can say

[drealmerz7]

no, I scumread you because I scumread you

you keep reinforcing it

OMG who is leonard cohen?!?!?! - one of the best lyrical songwriters of all time for $500000000, alex

Spoiler: the ultimate version

Fixed!
I love Leonard Cohen so much!!!

[drealmerz7]

ari, can you fix that for me please?

[drealmerz7]

Since I'm not delaying with my vote I am town.

ohpls

[drealmerz7]

if shep were town scum would be finding all sorts of reasons to follow me, seriously

GRAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

btw wez is like, my biggest TR right now, ahead of empking

[drealmerz7]

shep, you should do nothing for the next 7 minutes except give your undivided attention (close your eyes and listen) to that leonard cohen song

thanks

[drealmerz7]

I don't think it's something to get hung up over.

-- Postie

well I certainly do

but it is just another log on the fire

[drealmerz7]

T&B who are you?

postie, because if he was scum he'd have gone on AC unless AC+wez are scum together but then he would have gone on shepard, not T&B

[drealmerz7]

if anyone fucking hammers except me that can just be a scumclaim as far as I'm concerned

[drealmerz7]

FUCK this re-read is painful, infinity posting too much interacting with everyone too much

fucking mylo, right, and I'd say I hate assumptive mylos if I weren't the impending NK

ok it really probably just is T&B and AC like I've been SRing them the whole game practically

[drealmerz7]

fuck I need to take a break this is hurting my head

PRISM, I MISS YOU

I think we have to lynch AC today due to the infinity hammer

[drealmerz7]

AC was also one who jumped off titus ASAP after the empking claim

T&B was conveniently distant from all of that

[drealmerz7]

shepard you ping me so GD hard

you only ever pinged me before in The Thing when you were hydrad with titus and that was my first game on MS

there's a post you made I need you to explain to me, fuck if I can find it...hold on

[drealmerz7]

a few ppl didn't jump off, and I had to scream to get ppl to come back on to titus after that

shepard, I can't find the post, but you said somethingl ike this:

""I'm glad you two are masons too and you will see why after the game"" - tell me now please?

[drealmerz7]

Titus was never not getting lynched, dreal. People were reluctant to vote because they didn't want Titus to have the opportunity to self-hammer.

-- Postie

there was a fast exodus of the titus wagon when you claimed

infinity and AC at least is who I remember jumping off fast

why do you say they were never not getting lynched? you fought for her to not get lynched

[drealmerz7]

why do you say they were never not getting lynched? you fought for her to not get lynched

No? I didn't? I was scumreading Titus and made it clear I was only holding off because Prism wanted space to do stuff?

-- Postie

omg I need to hold off on playing obviously

I thought empking hopped on and made that post

[drealmerz7]

you know what fucking sucks?

gut tells me shep and empking are scum, but my brain can't justify either of them

[drealmerz7]

I don't want you to be scum

you have just done a handful of scummmmmy things this game that ping me hard, and that has never happened with you before

I mean...asking wraith to protect you is super-fuckedup, imo

that picture you sent to prism...is highly questionable

I'm voting you and no one else is...2 scum should be pushing you as scum

those all ping me hard, and my brain agrees with them actually

T&B's TR on you suuucks

I also feel like you've been trying to buddy me AS SOON AS I CLAIMED MASON

AC, you just need to say that I'm wrong and you didn't jump off titus

[drealmerz7]

T&B and AC also both tried making cases for prism+me as scumbuddies fakeclaiming masons, which is a horrible suggestion in a 3scum game

[drealmerz7]

fucking hell

seriously

I always WANT control at mylo - to be the decider, because I think I'm a good decider

BUT FUCKING HELL I DON'T WANT PPL TO BE MAD AT ME IF I'M WRONG

it really sucks

[drealmerz7]

yeah that is kind of contradictory

punishing town for bad town play, as you yourself make the worst townplay of them all (if town)

[drealmerz7]

which is why I think you have to be the lynch today, AC

I will never forgive myself if I let that move go unpunished and you're actually scum

I've made too many mistakes like that in mafia, letting scum off the hook because I don't stick to what I know is "right" - and that is you don't let plays like that go - it's the sort of thing I tout about my HS not ever allowing to happen and why I think their townplay is SO MUCH better than here - it's a culture of "no fucking way" for that type of stuff

I'm reminded of EPs wordplay when I let bigyoshifan off the hook for a similar hammer, and he was scum

sleeping on it but pretty sure AC has to be the lynch today

thanks all for the kind words, I'll try not to give myself an aneurysm

empking could be a scum vanilla cop, or not a cop at all

again, I just don't see scum sticking their neck out like that for an impending dead scumbuddy, despite the wifom, and if that is the case, kudos to whoever came up with it

shep, no, thanks