DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O

[Infinity 324]

Scum could leave them alive to mislynch one of them no?

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Postie, who do you think is scum other than titus

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Something feels wrong to me about that

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"Scumslipping" is not a scumtell

Neither is looking for scumslips.

You guys know better than this.

[Infinity 324]

Postie is desperate scum looking for a wagon. Let her poke. She will find nothing. Three unlynchable townies means scum get wrecked.

Why is postie scum?

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Prism, it would be very helpful if you did that meta check on postie so I know I'm not crazy.

[Infinity 324]

Postie is desperate scum looking for a wagon. Let her poke. She will find nothing. Three unlynchable townies means scum get wrecked.

Why is postie scum?

Postie understands 3 unlynchable Town bad for scum.
Yet claims not to.
Attacks me multiple times despite saying I am Town.

Postie's voting record reads like who can I get away with.

At this point I have conf scum Titus. Likely scum TB and everyone else but the masons after that gets a glare for third scum.

Why would scum pretend not to understand that?

Why can't someone attack a townread they disagree with?

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Also postie, why aren't you voting titus?

At least one scum is off the wagon I think.

[Infinity 324]

We want emp and shaddow to check in but titus is today's lynch and we might as well get her to claim in the meantime.

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Don't even put her to L-1, there's a risk of self hammer here.

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Yes we should use the time we have but ultimately I want to get the flip and move forward once everyone is caught up.

[Infinity 324]

How about empking and shaddow?

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I still think T&B is town

Unless titus is giving up and trying to WIFOM that last post looked a lot like a buddy attempt

[Infinity 324]

Postie is desperate scum looking for a wagon. Let her poke. She will find nothing. Three unlynchable townies means scum get wrecked.

Why is postie scum?

Postie understands 3 unlynchable Town bad for scum.
Yet claims not to.
Attacks me multiple times despite saying I am Town.

Postie's voting record reads like who can I get away with.

At this point I have conf scum Titus. Likely scum TB and everyone else but the masons after that gets a glare for third scum.

Why would scum pretend not to understand that?

Why can't someone attack a townread they disagree with?

Shepard, answer this.

If you disagree with something I say, say why. I want to sort this out.

[Infinity 324]

Ok we found the second scum

It's ridiculous that titus only has 3 votes on her given the general consensus that she's scum

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Can you explain to me a particular reason why scum!titus wouldn't want to push for the second mason to out if she thinks it's standard practice?

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I agree.

So why is titus town again?

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I've never seen scum fakeclaim masons except in an open setup.

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Ok but I'm pretty sure that's not what's happening here.

Can we lynch titus now?

[Infinity 324]

Ok we can give prism time to do his thing and then lynch titus.

[Infinity 324]

I'm just explaining why I trusted the claim to empking who seems to think because I unvoted a mason claim that I must be scum and titus must be town.

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Postie is desperate scum looking for a wagon. Let her poke. She will find nothing. Three unlynchable townies means scum get wrecked.

Why is postie scum?

Postie understands 3 unlynchable Town bad for scum.
Yet claims not to.
Attacks me multiple times despite saying I am Town.

Postie's voting record reads like who can I get away with.

At this point I have conf scum Titus. Likely scum TB and everyone else but the masons after that gets a glare for third scum.

Why would scum pretend not to understand that?

Why can't someone attack a townread they disagree with?

So they don't accept the leash Town put around them.

I don't understand the second question.

If they disagree with a townread it is discussion. It is only an attack when it is a scumread.

What leash are you trying to put around postie? I don't get it.

And I don't see where postie implied a scumread on you.

[Infinity 324]

Why can't scum keep masons alive to mislynch one of them?

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You might be right math, but by occam's razor it's more likely that postie actually doesn't understand what you're trying to say/is confbiased than she is purposefully not understanding.

[Infinity 324]

I think prism wanted some more time.

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You might be right math, but by occam's razor it's more likely that postie actually doesn't understand what you're trying to say/is confbiased than she is purposefully not understanding.

I might be right by using math?

What is this you might be right Math thing?

Occam's razor is she is scum avoiding the leash.

You said yourself the masons are too obvtown for scum to leave alive. So why would scum!postie try and throw shade on them?

I honestly don't know where you're getting this scumread from other than she disagrees with you/doesn't understand. That happens with town all the time.

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I'm not using it as a reason to explain why she's town, I'm trying to understand why math thinks it's scummy.

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Like it makes perfect sense that if you've suspected 2 slots all game and they claim masons together that you might continue to be suspicious of them. I'm not but I can definitely understand how some people would be.

What do you think about that empking

[Infinity 324]

vhuesohafawr sorry

I thought it was pretty obvious though

[Infinity 324]

Why don't they just do that instead trying to push a mislynch that will never go through?

Why can't town be suspicious of masons if they were very much so before the claim?

[Infinity 324]

Why can't town be suspicious of masons if they were very much so before the claim?

This is the more important question here.

I understand why shade casting on the Mason's could be an ok scum strategy even though I personally wouldn't do that as scum but I don't understand why it can't come from town.

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Because Town wants masons and Town thinks through the entire process of how stupid it is to fake claim masons.

They have to 1) Have NEVER scumread each other 2) Been in clear cahoots on rereading enough to be believed but not enough to be killed and 3) optionally crumb.

I agree, but once again, people who disagree with you aren't necessarily scum.

[Infinity 324]

.....Lynch infinity.

At some point you have to go Town just doesn't do things like attack masons without proof or not think about how stupid fake claiming mason is. I just can't see that being town.

And I can't see Town defending that either.

Titus / T&B / infinity

No no no

People get confbiased. People get paranoid. Just because someone is illogical doesn't mean they're scum.

You're scumreading someone for disagreeing with you AND you're scumreading someone for saying disagreement =/= scum (which is true in 90% of cases).

Step back and look at yourself. Not everyone sees the game the same way you do.

[Infinity 324]

Does your logic make sense to me? Yes. Is it so unshakeable that anyone is scum for even considering the fact that it's wrong? No, of course not.

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Both Titus and Shep seemed to realise that Prism was the partner. There's no reason for scum-Titus to get it out explicitly, whereas town-Titus could have been thinking Prism or no one.

I agree.

So why is titus town again?

Because most of us are? Because you and Almost both went together from forcing Drealmerz to claim to campaigning for Titus to be lynched, never once considering that Dreamerlz could have been lying about being a Mason. Wheras town would generally put somebody at L- days-in Day Two with at least some thinking that their taret might be scum.

I'd look here. These are terrible excuses to avoid voting titus.

[Infinity 324]

That's bullshit.

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Why didn't you claim earlier?

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I don't see the downside except maybe helping scum setup spec a little better.

Anyway: VOTE: empking since he has to be scum for titus to be scum.

The 1-shot part is super safe as well.

[Infinity 324]

Cool. We lynch empking first in the very off chance titus is town and shenanigans confirm her.

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Dreal, if you really want to, but empking has to be scum for titus to be scum so I'd rather lynch him first.

[Infinity 324]

It's probably just titus/empking/shaddow after all.

[Infinity 324]

I look at it this way. If titus somehow flipped town I would still want to lynch empking. But if empking flips town titus is conf.

[Infinity 324]

I look at it this way. If titus somehow flipped town I would still want to lynch empking. But if empking flips town titus is conf.

Actually I'd reconsider empking by still, cause of PoE I'd likely want to lynch him.

[Infinity 324]

Meh you're right

VOTE: titus

It may have been a last-ditch attempt to switch the wagon to postie or something but yeah

[Infinity 324]

Oh right, me being a miller changes things

I think it's reasonable that there could be a miller and no cop though

[Infinity 324]

-_-

[Infinity 324]

What's your read on shaddow?

[Infinity 324]

Would ari seriously put in a gf and a miller without a cop?

Idk man

[Infinity 324]

Godfather AND Miller for a 1-shot cop doesn't make much sense either

[Infinity 324]

Say, Infinity, you sure you're King Edward?

King Edward V, yes

[Infinity 324]

If you guys have anything for me to address other than my role, I'd be happy to.

Despite wraith likely being roleblocked by town, scum probably have a rb or strongman because of follow the cop (assuming emp isn't 1-shot).

Strongman + gf vs. 3-shot rb, Masons, cop, Miller, doc

Seems decently balanced

[Infinity 324]

Honestly

I could see ari putting in godfather and miller with a cop fakeclaim. The only thing is, it doesn't make sense that empking would claim there to try to save his buddy. It's a bit late for a town claim, but that seems more reasonable to me.

I just don't see who could be scum other than shaddow.

[Infinity 324]

I have reason to believe there may be another town role but I also have reason to believe it's not a super strong role. It didn't have reason to tell scum that until you yelled at me just now.

[Infinity 324]

Why would I out you unnecessarily?

[Infinity 324]

No because fruit vendor is not really relevant balance-wise.

[Infinity 324]

Why would I out you unnecessarily?

Town Infinity would say + another PR I suspect.

You're just blowing bullshit.

Then someone would ask about. Then I would have to give info to scum that I didn't need to.

There's no reason to do that when I can keep it in my head, it doesn't affect balance much anyway.

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No because fruit vendor is not really relevant balance-wise.

In a setup with masons it allows a three person masonry.

Hence why no way in fuck Drealmerz/Prism were fake claiming.

Scum can have fruit vendors too.

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If you guys have anything for me to address other than my role, I'd be happy to.

Despite wraith likely being roleblocked by town, scum probably have a rb or strongman because of follow the cop (assuming emp isn't 1-shot).

Strongman + gf vs. 3-shot rb, Masons, cop, Miller, doc, fruit vendor

Seems decently balanced

Fixed

[Infinity 324]

I have no idea why you think scum would act differently from town in this scenario.

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My point is that no matter what alignment you are your role doesn't affect balance.

And I'm pretty sure you're town anyway

PEdit: BECAUSE I DIDNT WANT TO TELL SCUM THERE WAS OTHER POWER. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

And I still don't get why scum would do that when eventually you will claim and it gets proved "wrong"

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If I "forgot", why would scum forget and not town?

You're voting me because I didn't want to give scum info unnecessarily. that's literally all this is.

[Infinity 324]

Not everything revolves around you and your role. Just because you sent me a message doesn't mean I'm gonna go "wink wink i got a message from someone" in the thread. I made a note that you're probably town since fruit vendors are more likely town and since I already townread you. There's a reason I haven't really considered you a scumspect since then.

PEdit: It's a role that has no mechanical effects chara, so...

[Infinity 324]

Not everything revolves around you and your role. Just because you sent me a message doesn't mean I'm gonna go "wink wink i got a message from someone" in the thread. I made a note that you're probably town since fruit vendors are more likely town and since I already townread you. There's a reason I haven't really considered you a scumspect since then.

PEdit: It's a role that has no mechanical effects chara, so...

No you didn't. That is why I picked you.

{T&B}
{TWC, AC}
{shaddow, farside}
{CK, Shepard, empking, dreal}

{prism, wraith}

I guess this is where I'm at pending a flip. It's a pretty gross list but I'd be surprised if anyone in the top 3 tiers is scum

...wraith doesn't make sense as scum cause there would've been a stronger CW on someone towards the middle of the day

FUCK

Agreed. Please work with me here.

Wraith is town. Look at T&B's post I called out if Wraith town Postie Scum.
Look who all post after AC &TWC.

T&B Infinity last two scum.

I don't get what you're trying to say here

[Infinity 324]

Not everything revolves around you and your role. Just because you sent me a message doesn't mean I'm gonna go "wink wink i got a message from someone" in the thread. I made a note that you're probably town since fruit vendors are more likely town and since I already townread you. There's a reason I haven't really considered you a scumspect since then.

PEdit: It's a role that has no mechanical effects chara, so...

i know that. it's just you called it 'other power' in a recent post.

...it probably doesn't matter, freudian slips aren't really a thing.
~Chara

pedit: hm, what happened with your Wraith read there Infinity?

Huh?

I basically always townread wraith expect for a small amount of time d2 where I doubted the read.

[Infinity 324]

Maybe you're right and it is just empking. Shaddow I'm pretty sure on by Poe. It's not T&B, trust me on that.

[Infinity 324]

Not everything revolves around you and your role. Just because you sent me a message doesn't mean I'm gonna go "wink wink i got a message from someone" in the thread. I made a note that you're probably town since fruit vendors are more likely town and since I already townread you. There's a reason I haven't really considered you a scumspect since then.

PEdit: It's a role that has no mechanical effects chara, so...

If it's making you town-read him then it obviously is a power, and needs to be taken into account. I get not wanting to out someone else's power role, but you volunteered a picture of the set up that you knew to be false. Only scum are in that habit.

It's not making me townread them, it's reinforcing that somewhat though.

This line of logic is obviously bad and you picking up on it is suspect. Yes I made setup spec that I knew was slightly off, but it still doesn't change anything about my opinions of the balance. Also, I wouldn't do anything differently here if I was scum. If town!me would mention the existence of another pr, so would town!me.

VOTE: empking

Chara, I'll talk about T&B later tonight.

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Not everything revolves around you and your role. Just because you sent me a message doesn't mean I'm gonna go "wink wink i got a message from someone" in the thread. I made a note that you're probably town since fruit vendors are more likely town and since I already townread you. There's a reason I haven't really considered you a scumspect since then.

PEdit: It's a role that has no mechanical effects chara, so...

No you didn't. That is why I picked you.

{T&B}
{TWC, AC}
{shaddow, farside}
{CK, Shepard, empking, dreal}

{prism, wraith}

I guess this is where I'm at pending a flip. It's a pretty gross list but I'd be surprised if anyone in the top 3 tiers is scum

...wraith doesn't make sense as scum cause there would've been a stronger CW on someone towards the middle of the day

FUCK

Agreed. Please work with me here.

Wraith is town. Look at T&B's post I called out if Wraith town Postie Scum.
Look who all post after AC &TWC.

T&B Infinity last two scum.

I don't get what you're trying to say here

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Anything above the space was a townread. Anything below the space was not.

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Yeah good point. Unless scum have a rolecop or something and knew wraith was a doctor, the kill is weird.

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And there can't be a godfather and Miller without a cop because...?

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You can claim that it's possible to have no cop, but to pretend that both's existence doesn't make it

significantly

more likely that there's a cop is ridiculous and you need to be killed with fire.

I'm not pretending that

I also think it's very unlikely that you and dreal are scum

I also think it's very unlikely that AC is scum

I also think it's even more unlikely that shepard is scum

I also think it's very unlikely that T&B is scum

[Infinity 324]

Why is empking town, prism?

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Yeah we're not lynching a mason today.

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Where are you getting that I was townreading you based on the amount of content I have?

Do you want me to explain any of the other townreads that the PoE is based on?

[Infinity 324]

I townread T&B because postie is playing to her town meta. She is much more aggressive as town and she constantly doubts and re-evaluates herself, which is something I can relate to. Wrestling with paranoia is something I have not seen scum!postie come close to fake, even though she is good as scum in other ways.

I thought I had other things but let's start with this. I also thought 2681 looked a lot like a buddy attempt.

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Spoiler:

If scum do something like shoot me instead to avoid the problem

Then they'd just have the same problem the next night. Either Wraith dies or one of the masons dies.
Bleh. I guess we're lynching Titus then.
If Prism is actually a mason here then god knows why their posts are pinging my scumdar so hard all the time.

-- Postie

I'm going to be really annoyed if this is town!dreal and scum!Prism fakeclaiming masons as neighbours but I'm probably overthinking.

-- Postie

Everything that's happened points towards town!Prism and I know logically they should be town but my gut still says they're scum I don't understand this game

-- Postie

Bleh. I'm gonna go meta Prism and hopefully that'll make me feel better.

-- Postie

Bleh. I'm gonna go meta Prism and hopefully that'll make me feel better.

-- Postie

Wow that didn't make me feel better at all. I'm just... I'm just gonna put this out of my mind until we get or don't get a mason flip because there's really nothing I can do right now with this.

-- Postie

Elaborate.

In the game I looked at you seemed to making an effort to seek out engagement much more, and taking stances in a different way where you like put out several options and evaluated them idk. Here it just feels like you're talking

at

the thread rather than to it.

-- Postie

I've just realised I actually scumread masons quite often, and it's usually for something along the lines of them being lazy with their reasoning and stances and not feeling like they're really trying to engage properly or fully play the game. That

does

make me feel somewhat better about Prism being town here. It's also now making me slowly despise masons as a role.

-- Postie

I said that before postie posted this, but it's a good example of what I'm talking about. Town is likely to go through a difficult process like this when a top scumread of theirs claims mason. Scum would probably either try to push them, or more likely just accept the masons as conftown. It just seems really hard to fake and at the very least it would take a lot of effort for not much reward if she was scum.

[Infinity 324]

Please get your vote back on scum

[Infinity 324]

Shepard, can we talk about what happens when me or T&B flip town?

[Infinity 324]

We're not at mylo yet, lol

[Infinity 324]

We're not at mylo yet, lol

You asked what after you AND T&B flip Town. That's 2 mislynches and presumably 2 NKs because the Town Doctor is dead, and so is the Town RB (if I'm not mixing my games).

~A50

I said "or", lol

[Infinity 324]

Empking is town because Titus set Empking up.

Talk to me about this.

You're not discussing here you're just pushing reads. Take a step back, cooperation is the only way we can win.

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: shaddow

[Infinity 324]

Empking is town because Titus set Empking up.

Talk to me about this.

You're not discussing here you're just pushing reads. Take a step back, cooperation is the only way we can win.

[Infinity 324]

Empking claiming cop there was probably a gambit to maybe avoid titus's lynch but more likely make his claim believable with the godfather.

[Infinity 324]

I didn't claim to receive a message because I didn't want to out a role for literally no reason.

The 1-shot cop didn't need validation but scum prefers not to make up results. It's a good place to fit in a fakeclaim imo.

[Infinity 324]

Chara, what did you think of my reasoning for T&B town?

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Empking is town because Titus set Empking up.

Talk to me about this.

You're not discussing here you're just pushing reads. Take a step back, cooperation is the only way we can win.

Something about this post has me on edge. Fruit vendor isn't

definitely

a town role, yet Infinity is talking to CS like he know's he's town while calling him out for something that's much more likely to come from scum (pushing reads without discussing them)

I disagree that it's much more likely to come from scum, especially because of the player I think shepard is. Also shepard's play just feels very town to me.

[Infinity 324]

I townread T&B because postie is playing to her town meta. She is much more aggressive as town and she constantly doubts and re-evaluates herself, which is something I can relate to. Wrestling with paranoia is something I have not seen scum!postie come close to fake, even though she is good as scum in other ways.

I thought I had other things but let's start with this. I also thought 2681 looked a lot like a buddy attempt.

Spoiler:

If scum do something like shoot me instead to avoid the problem

Then they'd just have the same problem the next night. Either Wraith dies or one of the masons dies.
Bleh. I guess we're lynching Titus then.
If Prism is actually a mason here then god knows why their posts are pinging my scumdar so hard all the time.

-- Postie

I'm going to be really annoyed if this is town!dreal and scum!Prism fakeclaiming masons as neighbours but I'm probably overthinking.

-- Postie

Everything that's happened points towards town!Prism and I know logically they should be town but my gut still says they're scum I don't understand this game

-- Postie

Bleh. I'm gonna go meta Prism and hopefully that'll make me feel better.

-- Postie

Bleh. I'm gonna go meta Prism and hopefully that'll make me feel better.

-- Postie

Wow that didn't make me feel better at all. I'm just... I'm just gonna put this out of my mind until we get or don't get a mason flip because there's really nothing I can do right now with this.

-- Postie

Elaborate.

In the game I looked at you seemed to making an effort to seek out engagement much more, and taking stances in a different way where you like put out several options and evaluated them idk. Here it just feels like you're talking

at

the thread rather than to it.

-- Postie

I've just realised I actually scumread masons quite often, and it's usually for something along the lines of them being lazy with their reasoning and stances and not feeling like they're really trying to engage properly or fully play the game. That

does

make me feel somewhat better about Prism being town here. It's also now making me slowly despise masons as a role.

-- Postie

I said that before postie posted this, but it's a good example of what I'm talking about. Town is likely to go through a difficult process like this when a top scumread of theirs claims mason. Scum would probably either try to push them, or more likely just accept the masons as conftown. It just seems really hard to fake and at the very least it would take a lot of effort for not much reward if she was scum.

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're basically saying that almost nothing content-wise in this game has you townreading them, it's mainly meta?

The point about 2681 has nothing to do with meta

2963 mentions nothing about meta, even though meta strengthens the read.

This is true for the whole read. It would definitely still be a townread without the meta, the meta just makes it a lock.

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I don't think empking was trying to protect titus, I think empking was trying to come up with a believable fakeclaim

[Infinity 324]

Maybe that was his safeclaim. Or he claimed a PR to cast doubt on the other PRs. (If the amount of power makes sense, town can just lynch in the VT claims).

Or maybe he did it because he thought people would say what you're saying, that it's a weird thing for scum to do. Remember titus had given up even while empking was still defending her, that would fit with that sort of gambit.

Idk. I don't see why scum wouldn't do that

[Infinity 324]

If scum wanted one of their other members to claim a power role, what would they claim and when?

[Infinity 324]

It's possible empking was hoping to protect titus even though he knew it probably wouldn't work.

It's also possible scum made a dumb play.

[Infinity 324]

Alright, so there was less activity than I thought.

Infinity

- 2681 was before the Titus flip, so a buddying attempt should have been only speculation at that point, and not something that would cement a town read. As for 2963, you're right in that it doesn't mention meta, but you're using it to support the meta argument you made in 2115. That's definitely an "I'm going to town read them because of what they do, oh look here's evidence of them doing it".

dreal

- considering the limited shots that have flipped or discussed so far, you don't think 4 scum would be too powerful? Even if there was only 1 PR in addition to the Godfather, a limited RB, limited doctor, and (possibly) limited cop doesn't really match up.

will ask one more time: WHY would a ONE-SHOT COP hold his investigation result until his target is wagoned to L-1?? What's the town motive behind that?? Make it likely for the lynch to go anyway because nobody trusted him?? Waste the Town's time so they have to rush on another lynch w/o thinking it over?? Protecting himself when he is effectively a VT from then on?? GIVE ME A FRIGGIN' REASON.

I have to agree with AC's thought process here, though as with Wraith's claim I'm hesitant to lynch any claimed PR early. I think the stranger part is that scum didn't attempt to kill him, though there's the possibility that there was enough pressure yesterDay that even with a Godfather flip they thought he'd be a likely lynch toDay?

If scum wanted one of their other members to claim a power role, what would they claim and when?

I don't like this post one bit.

VOTE: Infinity

This just isn't adding up, and of all the (living) claims so far I think this one needs to be sorted first.

[Infinity 324]

Did not mean to click submit

Infinity

- 2681 was before the Titus flip, so a buddying attempt should have been only speculation at that point, and not something that would cement a town read. As for 2963, you're right in that it doesn't mention meta, but you're using it to support the meta argument you made in 2115. That's definitely an "I'm going to town read them because of what they do, oh look here's evidence of them doing it".

I'm trying to explain my townread on T&B now, and I'm giving examples of the general patterns that have continued in T&B's ISO from d1 until now. If you want me to explain my townread from d1 or d2, I could try to do that too.

If scum wanted one of their other members to claim a power role, what would they claim and when?

I don't like this post one bit.

VOTE: Infinity

This just isn't adding up, and of all the (living) claims so far I think this one needs to be sorted first.

0_o

Would you like to give some reasoning?

[Infinity 324]

The picture talks about India wanting to be free. There's a picture of India with the Indian flag on it. There's a crossed out futuristic-looking ship. And there's a fruit market in the background.

Lynch emp and shaddow please please please.

[Infinity 324]

I just woke up, gg lol

[Infinity 324]

Still kinda salty that I called the scumteam and you guys lynched me and ignored my reads

BUT having wrong reads happens to me too a lot (as alisae can vouch for) and I didn't play perfectly either, I just lost motivation at the end and wasn't able to push my reads very well.

[Infinity 324]

I didn't have a TR on either of you

I just didn't have a SR on you, and the empking read was a huge waffle, my back and forth with infinity about him was all an attempt to try and sort empking for myself, not to convince infinity he was town

Funny thing is that I didn't SR either empking or shaddow really.

I just got the PoE right this time

NOW ANYONE TRY TO TELL ME POE DOESN'T WORK. I DARE YOU

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kinda salty that I called the scumteam and you guys lynched me and ignored my reads

thinking

I honestly would likely have sheeped you in spyro if you had called the scumteam in thread

but uh

No excuses for my play that game. Lol

[Infinity 324]

and Infinity, i really am sorry about that hammer.

Not your fault, and I probably would've been lynched anyway.

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Gj titus for the fakeclaim idea, I guess

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I did appreciate that you tried to see things from my side. No one else really did though.

When you're so sure on something though, it's hard to blame you for just continuing to push that. It's a good but rare skill to look at all sides in an unbiased way.