Micro 701: Defiance Mafia II - Game Over

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Consider this a post.

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The jig is up!

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I'm confused.
I was told there would be cake?

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The game has only just started and you've angered Ircher, good job, Dreal!

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Hear that? We can't trust Dreal, he lies.

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I'd cry

So would I, I enjoy your activity in games.

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So, Keyenpeydee, why are you not a player?

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comods can not be players, sillyhead

Then we lynch them, and Ircher during dawn!

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It actually needs to be in a correct order. First Ircher, than you, then myself, then Ircher again... Only then can I achieve my full potential.

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Oh, what a shame it is
That people are after my soul.
Well, to that I say --
Screw you, for your insolent ways!

Anger of caught scum, I tell you.

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I would vote, but I'm not looking to risk losing 1 of my only 8 votes in the game for something that may not matter.

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It's a shame they can't stack!

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Almost got me there!

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Hi Carlos

*sevaW*

!ti daer uoy wonk i lasoporp ecnailla ym rewsna ,laerD

Oh look, you were the scum last time.
I bet you are scum again?!

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Also, nice post restriction you have there, Charloux.

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It did confuse me at first lol

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Do you believe it?

I believe a lot of things.

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Scum confirmed!

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PP is scum though.

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McMenno, Edo, talk some sense into these people!
In the mean time I'll decide which vote I'm going to use.

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@Mod: I am attempted to direct Vanilla A's vote.

That's honestly the worst role you could have given me... I was going to choose C.

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I believe Edo's claim.

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See, Jester knows what it's about!

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Because Dreal has his win condition as it, although win conditions will probably be changing.

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Yup, and I suspect scum to follow with the NL idea.

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So who's scum between PP,

you

and Menno, eg people who

followed

the NL?

Show me my vote to NL.

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Jester doesn't read the game because he already knows who scum is, right Jester?

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I got a vague idea but not yet.
Skimmed the thread and mistook charloux for 1 shot, whatever
My question still stands: who's scum between NL voters?

Charloux, I already said this once.

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Exactly where?
And why aren't you pushing him?

Jester doesn't need to read the game because he already knows who scum is.

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1-shot isn't in the last VC.....

Vanilla A, Vanilla B, Vanilla C, Vanilla D, Vanilla E, Vanilla F, Vanilla G, Vanilla H

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I only get 8 votes this game though.

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When the mod is voting for a no lynch, you know it's not going to be in our best interests.

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Go ahead and explain it more to me.
What tools did you get to know that town win with a no lynch?
Right now, I don't believe it at all.

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And why would scum not kill us?
Your reasoning looks to be weak, and I doubt it to be true.

"not kill each other" means that you don't believe the game to end with a no lynch.

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That's a draw, not a win.

I'll ask again, spell it out to why you believe this?
If everyone 'wins' then you giving detail to why hurts no one.

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DEFIANCE MAFIA, as I already explained, means defy all standards held in mafia, instead of lynching scum to win, or in scum's case, lynching town to win

If this is your only reason then it's a theory only and has no backing, therefore shouldn't be considered.

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I dislike how people have followed this so easily without questioning the motive behind it.

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So this is the thing.
I asked Dreal to give information on the reason it's a win for a no lynch. He avoids the question because there is no actual reason.
I also don't understand why Dreal is saying a no lynch is harder further in the game, as if proof was given then everyone is going to no lynch, so the difference of day wouldn't be such an issue.

I don't think Dreal is scum here as it's too blunt of a play. I also don't think that he is scum either.
That leaves him as either Jester, lyncher or some sort of passive survivor.
And before anyone says that he isn't playing towards a jester or lyncher role, I disagree. Both can be played of in day 2 after a no lynch occurred.

There for a no lynch isn't an option for today and is only harmful to town.

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I also want something from Woodboys, McMenno, Charloux and Edo.
50% of the players are lacking involvement and as this stage I'm taking that as anti town just letting the game suffer with a no lynch.

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I don't think the way he's been playing is optimal for getting himself lynched but he

could

be self-aligned I guess

Why do you say that?
We no lynch day 1, nothing happens, someone(s) dies during the night, day 2 he makes a strange push that isn't on the mod meaning direct attention to him.
That is standard jester play when trying to not look obvious.

He's more likely self aligned here than not, otherwise he wouldn't be trying to hurt town with a no lynch.
And I give Dreal more credit than to be scum and act like this.

I also would like to remind people, that the only reason he wants to no lynch is because of the game name as "Defiance Mafia", keeping in mind the first game ended in a scum win while also being called Defiance Mafia.

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Hey I'm the only real Jester in here

That's a cheesy remark.

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llew sa seil dom tub ,2 dna d1 selur fo esuaceb si laerD htiw gnola gniog m'i nosaer ehT ;tsil eht ni retseJ tup ev'dluohs uoy ytitnauq tnaw tsuj uoy

The difference is, I currently know where Jester stands on the situation, you I do (did?) not.
I see no relevance though for your reasoning on not caring being that there are secret win conditions and it not being balanced. What if your secret win condition is to lynch every day? Let me confirm here, it says "conditions" not "condition". This makes it so that people have different secret win conditions (or just multiple win conditions), not that there is just the one that Dreal is playing to. So already by you going by this information alone, you should be doubting Dreal's reasoning?

And to confirm, I'm not looking for quantity of posts, but I do expect people to get involved to a limit, even more so when a no lynch is at L1 or L1/2 what ever it is.

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Started posting that as I joined a game of league.

Concerning the not knowing role, without me having to read the previous game, was there anything like this before?

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Yes conditions, not condition; The only time he alerted me was when he mentioned "Lynching the mod D2". His proposal goes along well with my current situation, so why shouldn't i go along with it? I haven't read Defiance Mafia I(forgot), so i can't answer immediately.

You were scum in Defiance mafia, right? How did you need read it while playing?
I don't get what you are saying either. Are you saying a no lynch benefits you encase you are scum?

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!?KO ,ti ni deyalp i togrof I

I'm delayed in your catch up posts as I'm playing league, calm down lol.

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It's up to you to be honest.
Either it's easy enough to read what you are putting.

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@Mod - V/LA during the weekend

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Maybe a mass claim of 3rd party or not should be in order.
I have a thought on this.

I'm town
McMenno is 3rd party
Dreal is most likely 3rd party but claiming town (?)
Charloux doesn't know

So Jester, Edo, wood and PP... town or 3rd party? (Obviously not going to claim scum here)

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I'm a third party what fucking ever but a no lynch would probably benefit me

jester is probably scum though

Why will it benefit you more over lynching? If you're survivor then killing 1 side(s) of would be better.
Other than a 3rd party killing role (which even then I think it doesn't help) I can't think of a role that helps you to no lynch.

What ticks Jester for you? He's acting like his town self right now and even without meta I've not spotted the scum tells, which you may have.

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The only 3rd party role I can see it as a benefit is cult.
Or some made up role completley. Regardless this doesn't help town.

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Good to know.
I did say otherwise a made up role.

So I guess there could be a plausible win Co diction like that for McMenno... however...

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However nothing I thought that McMenno voted someone before the NL but he didn't.
I guess that answers that part enough for me but I'd like to hear about Jester still.

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I don't believe you

1f. The moderator may or may not lie.

And you don't hve to.
~Ircher

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Opinion on wood, Charloux?

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Yeah I was thinking that the unvote was more to be looking at doing something. Commented on 230 but felt empty and just a post to be a post.

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Edo was joking.

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So Dreal can't explain his reason for a no lynch, calls us terrible because he can't explain it and is now refusing the play today and contribute.
That is not town at all.

To confirm Jester, you are claiming town right?

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I'm not refusing to play today

learn to read, seriously

and I did explain it, a couple times, it's your inability to comprehend that has me frustrated and taking a timeout so I don't become toxic

I've stopped reading and commenting

How did I read this wrong? Stopped reading and commenting is refusal to play and progress.

And no I questioned you further on it and you ignored me. You're only reason was because the game is called defiance mafia and you have a

theory

that it means not playing how we should and doing a no lynch.
As I already said, if you had true information and town motive you would already explain it and not dodge the question 219.

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Good to know, just wanted to confirm.

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I'm town. Not actually claiming an IC.

I've been very busy and I'm phoneposting, so I'll check this and post again later tonight.

Didn't you check this last night?

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*Did, phone posting and all.

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View on where to vote?

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Given that it was a different game, different mod, different player size and different in every aspect other than being bastard, I doubt what you have to say has any relevance, however I'll hear you out to what you have to say first.

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Only claiming if town or 3rd party.
It's to get a better understanding of the games situation.

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Sorry McMenno, I just don't feel convinced.

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Jester isn't hitting me as scum yet.
PP or Wood seem like a reasonable lynch. I agree that if there is scum they claimed town and I believe both McMenno and Charloux as not scum (not known for char) regardless of if there is only 3rd party to lynch or not.
The reason that lynching 3rd party only sounds off to me is because Dreal is playing like a Jester.
I do think that either Char is going to be town or if scum/3rd then either McMenno or Char as a killing roles with 2 scum.
4 town 2 3rd 2 scum is my prediction

Obviously balance will lack but let's be realistic here.

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Is that L1?

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No its L1 1/2

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Hey, McMenno why is a PP a better option than no lynch now or is it to keep the game flowing?

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@Mod - going to be starting my weekend V/LA a day early. Visiting family out in the neck of the woods.

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Sure what about?
I think that town are half or less I'm the game as it stands.

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I mean that right now I highly doubt there being more than 4 town.

Dreal I agree fully with and I feel that the "I have something to say" is just a cheap tactic to waste time for a no lynch.

McMenno
Yeah I think he's a non direct killing role as Erdington party.
PP
I'll vote but I need to hammer if I want my powers active from my votes .

Edo - it's great! I can't help but feel you were avoiding the game like when we were Mafia but I think you were actually busy on that game?

Wood
Yeah just a replace slot of scum that got over whelmed

Me
I'm town, I like shrimp on the barbie and a cold beer

Char
I believe it to be real and I think that his alignment is determined by events or he's the role of someone he investigates
Hidden alignment is very acceptable in bastard games.

Jester
I'm going by pure meta on Jester to think he's town. Just his attitude as a whole and I think Jester is an easy spot as scum. On phone so I'll look at the post tomorrow

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I don't understand what "Erdington party" is. I googled "erdington party mafiascum" and got some... interesting results.

I've been legit busy both when I was scum with you and at the start of this game. If you want to see my other couple games that have finish recently, I was town in one and scum in the other. I was fairly inactive in both but that was unfortunately just poor timing.

I'll trust you regarding Jester.

Phone post I have no idea what sort of party that is.
In fairness the fact you are pushing for progression tells me a lot. It's only really in towns benefit to keep the game as active as possible right now.

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Hey, PP I'm giving you intent here.

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@mod - I object to Math replacing in.

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Short memory? Last game I said I don't want you in my games.
Faking a guilty on a town (as town) and using tactics to intentionally piss off other players to get what you want just makes the game not enjoyable.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=70237

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You were implying you had more on RC and kept saying that RC was a guilty as scum. That is faking a guilty.
Even scum were saying that RC fakes claims as either align and town said it too that's when you implied to have a guilty.

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You lied about having a guilty on him. You're no better.
I'm not sure why we are even discussing this... I said I don't want you in my games any more as your entire attitude and play style stinks. Please respect that as I choose my games to suit you not being in it.

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Currently I'm having intent on PP. He currently shows that he doesn't care but does?
Probably best for you to start on this slot.

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I won't obviously. Just giving the situation

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Yeah. Don't lynch PP.

Where should we lynch then?

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Okay explain it to me. Why is this the best vote?

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please no hammerings until I get caught up

1SVT and jester just seem so bloodthirsty, it's annoying

With comments like that I should hammer.

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I've tried to work with PP on this but he's putting no effort into assisting with it.
Dreal and Vax have until tomorrow to catch up and even try to convince me otherwise I'm hammering PP.
Tired of the bullshit where individual people are just putting no effort into the game.

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Char doesn't know the alignment yet.

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Okay great.

VOTE: All: Charloux

So we know Dreals Case then at least.
I can still confirm that I'm town and not WW.

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There's 40 3rd party roles. Taking out about half that have high doubt leaves a lot of survivor roles, but 1 that stood out is the role that wins with a peacemaker.

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Dreal claiming to not know the wincon now after saying it was to no lynch... that made me laugh. And just shows that Dreal was lying.

Anyway Dreal we're lynching Charloux. I'm not sure why you're getting so angry over that?

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where the fuck did I say my wincon was to no lynch?

You said everyone wins if we no lynch day 1. That is a win condition so drop the "this wasn't my exact wording waaah"
You said mod wins if we don't no lynch and we all win if we no lynch.

Go and learn the term 'win condition' before you start getting Snarky.

Thanks.

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Why would I vote no lynch when Charloux has claimed scum?
You guys are right it could be something different, but it could be a correct lynch too. Right now there is nothing backing Dreal's theories and we have information than Char is scum. Bastard or not you don't let confirmed scum live.

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:llew sa siht nac i ,haey hO
?taht swoh de/tohs1 ot etov ym evael lliw I .nwo ym no etov i fi raey a rof aifam tiuq lliw i taht RAEWS I

I don't really understand this post, do you mean you'll vote me or Edosurist?

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like, I don't even know how to play with you if you can't read

I've read what you put and you have said that we win if we no lynch on day 1.
If English isn't your first language which I'm starting to believe then this is a case of you failing to post correctly, not me reading wrong.

Again, instead of explaining why we should no lynch like I've been asking you to (without you saying because of the name of the game) you avoid the conversation while I've made it clear that I am very open to discuss it. Keep up the comments that get us no where though, I'm sure that will help with a no lynch.

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Why would I vote no lynch when Charloux has claimed scum?
You guys are right it could be something different, but it could be a correct lynch too. Right now there is nothing backing Dreal's theories and we have information than Char is scum. Bastard or not you don't let confirmed scum live.

.(laerD dna cM)seitrap dr3 2 TSAEL TA dna aifam htiw yltnerruc derebmuntuo si nwoT
evila em evael ot tseretni tseb ruoy ni stI .flesym ti esu ot ton (efil ym ni siht ekorb reveN) erows dna etov ym fo pihsrenwo eht uoy dereffo I

Oh okay I see what you are saying.
At least we now know that there are 2 scum and you're not solo. If Dreal is peacemaker or along those lines then it does make me believe that McMenno is more likely a killing 3rd party.
If Dreal is just confused and isn't even 3rd party I'd say that McMeno is only a survivor type of some sort. So yes me might be out numbered but keeping antI town alive will not fix that. So I'm not sure how I can accept to not lynch scum right now.

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no, it's you not having reading comprehension, clearly, 1SVT

or you're just scum being difficult and pretending to be stupid

Dreal I've seen you in games and you are a cry baby when you don't get your way.
The way you are reacting to me trying to resolve this in a more mature manner tells me that you have no interest in acting your age. I'll leave you with that and if you wish to have an adult conversation about the no lynch situation then let me know.

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I'm not confused

HOLY FUCK, MAN

seriously, READ THE WORDS SLOWER

if you need to REFLECT AND THINK ON THEIR MEANING

like, seriously, what the fucking fuck

Wasn't even my point of the post. Please just stop speaking to me until you can be civil.

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So do you suggest we lynch Dreal or McMenno instead then? Because I don't see any reasonable reason to no lynch. I'd also like to see what the other town say first.

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I forgot: In case you die, you can select another person who will control my vote

To be honest that's not my worry and it's not for me or Edosurist to control. It's your vote and I wouldn't expect a Mafia to not go back on their word to meet win condition (not saying that you will but I wouldn't be upset about it). Its the case as you said town are not majority and keeping non town alive will keep us as not majority.

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I'm really not against lynching Dreal because as you said you're playing less anti town than he is.
However if he is actually town then we fall from possible majority to not. Even more so with the night actions that can easily pick town off.
As I said it's down to what the other players think but I can't see town winning by not lynching scum. You could always give up your buddy?

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How is it I never see you as town, Charloux? Just a side thought lol.

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As I said, when you're ready to discuss the no lynch situation we can talk.

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Slow reply right now going out to where signal is very limited

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You can start by going over from scratch. Ignore what has been said and explain why we win with a no lynch.
You say that I can't read but no one is listening to you, that would suggest that it's something going wrong at your end. So work with towno here if you expect town to work with you.

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And by tellingredients us why please give all reasons to howork no lynch is the best option in detail so we discuss it from there.

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Okay great something we can work from.
Can you go in more detail about your win condition because although I understand what you believe I don't understand why as of yet. It's to my understanding that you do not know your current win condition, if that's wrong and you do can you share yours?
Also I've watched and played in many Ircher games and he's a unique mod. He has never giving an all win condition to no lynching to my knowledge though, can you expand in this insight you have with Ircher and what it is?

If I can understand why you believe this to be true I can then start to work on deciding if I agree or not.
Also what roles that have been said give this impression? So far the known roles if I'm not mistaken is my 8 votes making a total of 1, Charloux typing backwards and your own knowledge if your role. Other than that there isn't much to go on.

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Also, how do you expect to control all night / day kills with a no lynch request?

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at least not according to my abilities

but I wouldn't want to try, because this is absolutely the sort of game where the mod might be like "okay, he can gladiate!" and then make it happen because he decided it'd be fun because he's a bastard - that seems anit-town to me to even risk it

You should try it. Charloux is scum so it would favour in us lynching him over you. That's not anti town that's you giving us an option to lynch scum.
I don't believe that Ircher would ever give an unplanned role.

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I could elaborate more, but, that's a start

Please do. I want to know all the information before I respond.

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But you only know 2 roles and 2 probable win conditions though?
Unless I missed other claims.

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No we only claimed town or 3rd party.

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Also, just for the record the only possibility for the second scum (in my eyes) is Vax.

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What alignment was you given? I'd like to see if it sounds town.

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Diplomat is in Irchers ISO o the roles... and 1 of the win conditions is to no lynch for 3 days.

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I'm just going by what Diplomat says, doesn't mean it's here but it takes a random win condition out of a list depending on what's in the game (phone read but that's how I read it). So if it was the case it could mean you share the win condition with anyone here.

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What did you get from the organized case, Edosurist? Opinion on it and what if I said the same as he did but changed "no lynch" to "lynching town"?

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Uhh we should lynch Char then? Doesn't matter where he votes when he can just nk whoever he likes

VOTE: Char

Vax is most likely his partner.
If we did lynch scum from Vax then wouldn't that give us more of a edge than lynching Charloux and leaving the NK un questioned?

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Just a thought

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Well unless McMenno votes with us, we probably won't make a lynch as Vax won't vote his buddy and Dreal is, well that's another story.

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Edosurist is the strongest town read here.
Just vote confirmed scum.

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But it's no different to saying what other game would you be looking to lynch town? This is that game.
You normally don't want to lynch town but in defiance Mafia you do.

Not that I believe that but there's the exact same proof that a no lynch is as good as lynching town.

So that's why people are ignoring your request to NL

@McMenno do us a solid and vote Charloux. I'm preferable to lynch scum than 3rd party.

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He's at least L1/2 we still need half a vote.

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Lets just hope McMenno hammers.
Would be beneficial for him too at this stage.

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Don't be stupid Jester. There's no backing to his theory apart from thoughts.
The real reason that a no lynch needs to be max votes is because town do not start with majority vote. Think about that and it makes more sense than the stuff Dreal is saying.

And Vax - how could Charloux argue it? Edosurist found his role as only scum and Charloux panicked. But of course you would claim him as Jester being his scum buddy.

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Me and Jester are tight I can call him stupid when he's being it.

I however, wouldn't call someone I don't know it so learn the difference before trying to comment on it.

No backing is anot indication that it's true. Right now the only thing to suggest that your theory is right is if I got high first and wasn't thinking straight.

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Why would that make you confirmed town again?
Also, if he is Jester I'm happy to give Charloux the win for information as a no lynch means that you kill a town member tomorrow and then we are down to 3. Then Dreal will give some silly theory of how we need to lynch mod because he had a dream about it and then it's all down hill for town.

If you were really town you would be concerned in the position we have with lacking majority.

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dreal is your post restriction being nice to ppl?

Have you not read them game?
Dreal is far from a 'nice' person.

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Me and Jester are tight I can call him stupid when he's being it.

doesn't fucking matter, dude

It's really does. I complained about you because you were being out of line. I don't know you and you were insulting me and just being over the line. Me and Jester are friends so I can say what I like to him and if he doesn't like it he can talk to me about it.

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If you were really town you would be concerned in the position we have with lacking majority.

Because Its not something we need to worry about and I will expand on this later.

Considering I'm not convinced you should explain it now so I can understand where you are coming from

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seriously

LEARN TO FUCKING READ, HOLYFUCKING SHIT, YOU ARE INFURIATING

Go away you toxic player I have no interest in talking to you about your dreams for the rest of this day.

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I've read what you had said and it makes no sense.
That is not me being toxic.

You are just annoyed that I complained about you to the mod because you are a toxic player and yet you carry on being toxic, talking about my family telling me that I can't read when I clearly have and just trying to make the game unpleasant.

Don't get petty because I complained to the mod because you was insulting me over and over and stop trying to cause drama. Act your age on this game and I suggest you stop talking to me.

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I didn't talk about your family??? AGAIN, YOU CAN'T READ!!!

that is not toxic, that is content IN THE FUCKING GAME THAT YOU ARE CREATING BY NOT HAVING THE CAPACITY TO READ

You shouldn't even mention family you have no idea on my situation in rl and your a toxic player.

Bye.

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on my situation in rl and your a toxic player.

on your situation?

'your' ? you mean "you're" - again, just pointing out things that are evidence that you have a poor grasp of language that is affecting the gamestate

How dare you continue to be toxic now. Saying I have a poor grasp on the language just because you've angered me enough by even mentioning my mother and mis typed. You are a sad individual.
I'm out of the game. You win Dreal. How dare you even mention my mother though. You have no right to ever speak to me. Enjoy your game.

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Stfu Dreal. You win and push me out of the game and still keep talking shit.
Just be happy you won with your toxic play and stfu.

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don't call anyone stupid, I don't care if it's your

fucking mother

, k?

Look Vax he says it here. What right does he have to even mention my mother without knowing my personal situation?
Do you think this is fair?

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I don't care how you mean it you still have no right to mention my mother in a Mafia game.
Regardless of how you say mean it you brought my mother into it for no reason. I said yout have no right to as you don't know my situation. And now you are trying to justify it.

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I read it. And I don't care how you are trying to justify it.

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VOTE: All Votes: Charloux

That's L 3/4 with PP having a vote.

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So PP is also scum?

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I'm lost...
So you're not scum or you are?

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If Edo thinks he has a good solution I'm willing to hear.
Although even a lynch on mod/back up mod/McMenno or Dreal (just to pick off for a lynch potential later) can be argued.

Right now the only 2 I won't lynch is Jester or Edo.

Also Dreal, I think you lost your opinion on who is 'lost' this game after your entire day 1 of "no lynch wins it for us" didn't win it for us, neither has any indication of winning it for us.
Regardless, I'm open to hearing any views you have to going into today. Why do you favour the mod lynch today over a no lynch? Or are you just trying to negotiate an acceptable approach?

1 thing to note, the Diplomats are going to be very interested in no lynching today (or possible lynching to mod as that may result in counting as a no lynch for win conditions). That would make the 3 phase no death win condition triggered.

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So we're lynching Ircher?

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Can we now lynch Charloux?

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If this is true, we can lynch both Vax and Char today. 1-shot can split his votes while McMenno and I vote Vax.

Going by my role PM, given it could be bastard lies, this appears to be true.

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Also, Edosurist - Concerning Jester I'm more at a neutral read with him. He's not pinging me as town any more, but I don't see his scummy side.
Could be my imagination, but after I was commenting on knowing him, his play changed as if he doesn't want to engage.

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Because he was pinging me as his town self. He's an easy ready.
Keep in mind that I don't think he's scum here but I've had in it the past where he avoided the thread as scum because of the player list (seen it another time from him too)

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I'm not lynching Edosurist.

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Glad you feel better.
Concerning the provable state of town, at what stage can you do this? Or is it better to not say?

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Well I'm confirmable as town as well.
So no, asking isn't scummy. Someone saying they are could say in 5 days time "Oh I'm confirmable when I'm dead". Vax chose to tell us he's confirmable I think it should be highly questionable considering he's scum and he just doesn't want to be lynched on the same say as Charloux.

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Things can change in this game. I'm confirmable.

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Yeah too many trolls in the game sadly.

VOTE: All Votes: Charloux

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Vax is Scum and either PP or Hiraki are also Scum now.

Vax said he was confirmable to be town. I don't see anything confirmable so that was an obvious distraction.

I'm against lynching McMenno for both reasons of wasting a Lynch and currently shows to be of less threat than Scum.

Other than that I need to re read the game after the delay.

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So either Vax or Hiraki are lying, and I know that what Vax says is true....

Then how is it 1 of them is lying rather than just Hiraki?

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So we're lynching Edo today?

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Oh wait. I thought that was lynch.

So you saw the vote but you didn't see the confirmation of L-4/32?
You do seem different today and it's possible that you changed align.

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VOTE: Vote all Edosurist

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More or less...
I think Edosurist is flipping non town though.

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I think we should no lynch.

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1e. Mid-game alignment changes are possible.

That PM is more or less useless to us going by this.

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Nope, we should no lynch.

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Isn't MeMenno 1 shot lynch proof?

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At this stage only me and possible Hiraki are town anyway.
Dreal and McMenno are 3rd party and Vax is jester or Scum...
There's no reason for Edo to lie there. But I also don't see Vax messing up there for an ego boost so I'm not entirely sure what to think.

I do think that the dead have impact and lynching doesn't mean you're out though.

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Don't you think it's strange when I say dead has impact that the dead then have access to post.
I think the objective here is actually get lynched as town and that's why you can't self vote now.
So I suggest lynching me again.

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@mod normal weekend V/LA

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Why no lynch?

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Kill Vaxkiller

That was the easiest wincon.
See you all end game.

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My role changed.
I had to get a no Lynch to occur and I then get 1 night shot which has to be made public (reason thread is open).
As long as the person I shot is a different align to me I win.

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When I was lynched.

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I'm actually lying my role never changed I just wondered why the thread is still open.

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Maybe we should vote

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Well if you do me it will just change the fact that I can't split my 1 vote.
So go for it.

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Vax didn't use his power?

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So I lost my vote (thanks McMenno) and Hiraki can still be voted?
I will voice my opinion and say lynch Vax!

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VOTE: Dreal

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UNVOTE: Dreal

Okay how do you think we can do this?

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Maybe we all win if all Mafia and town are lynched...
At this stage I have no idea. Both of you are 3rd party...

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Thanks for the game Ircher!