Spring Fever (Endgame)

[Gorkington]

hi everyone wow look there sure are a lot of pages already haha
looking forward to playing a game of mafia!
should be a lot of fun i think!

[Gorkington]

i fucking hate you firebringer.

[Gorkington]

why would you vote me for that post i dont get it

[Gorkington]

unfortunately youre going to have to suffer another one of my towngames.
sorry to break your heart.

[Gorkington]

it reads kind of strained

aw dammit and i spent like 30 minutes writing it too.
what the fuck.

[Gorkington]

i dont like being wagoned ugh
oof

ow
firebringer why are you doing this to me you made me look so bad by saying all of those things
why are you so good at reading my early game

[Gorkington]

Gorkington point to your allies.
Besides Alisae.

Is heartless one of them?

haheha joke about us being scum together
im much too obvious to be scum
hohohheh

[Gorkington]

NO
IM NOT FUCKING AROUND RIGHT NOW THIS IS HOW I PLAY THIS GAME

HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF NOT BEING TRUTHFUL

[Gorkington]

i'll order one of those genealogy kits and let you know.

[Gorkington]

why arent you trying to SORT ME
whats your problem

[Gorkington]

it kind of upsets me that youre this bad at reading my earlygame man.
lol.

you should probably learn to just shelf it until i actually play the game.
because, like always, there isnt a world in which im not going to be obviously town this game if i have a town rolePM.

[Gorkington]

bellaphant is a penguin

[Gorkington]

penguin is 100% bellaphant.
how does it feel to be wrong about penguins and me?

[Gorkington]

dont talk to postie that way

[Gorkington]

How are you Gork? Got a bond?

im okay.

[Gorkington]

im kind of bummed that i stopped having fun with the earlygame because fire is scumreading me and being overbearing about it, if im being honest.

and im deleting wayyy too many posts because of it so hopefully with that off my chest i will be less ridiculous.

[Gorkington]

nah fire's town this game.

[Gorkington]

lets go with my early lame gutread!
VOTE: eddiebyte !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gorkington]

are you trying to pull at my heart strings?

yeah man its all about you.
it isnt just me trying really hard not to give you nonstop shit for your bad read on me and trying to get past it so i can play the game properly.
we've danced this dance before. im trying really hard not to do it again.

[Gorkington]

if he were posting that to pull in reactions i feel like this entire discussion goes in an entirely different route

nah. i just thought it was funny.

[Gorkington]

blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i wish i wasnt such a fucking baby.
one scumread and im literally throwing a little baby temper tantrum.

im so dumb.

[Gorkington]

wow its not like im literally a shithead whenever anyone scumreads me. is this your first time playing with me firebringer? i guess it must be.

[Gorkington]

i dont even want you to townread me, its just that youre literally being so overbearing with this scumread on me that its annoying and distracting. and im fucking dumb so i cant just let something go when im annoyed.

[Gorkington]

fire i dont see why you'd be opposed to lynching scum

can you talk to me about dunn tho

this is actually probably scum though, for real.

[Gorkington]

i know gork ur so awful.

im just going to ignore the rest of your post.

[Gorkington]

ah yes anti, i agree with you!

[Gorkington]

its funny because the last time you did this exact same thing you had an equally shitty time for the rest of the game.

[Gorkington]

and a pre-game encounter in chat seemed to indicate that this is, regrettably, his playstyle.

haha hey good to see you too!

[Gorkington]

does alisae typically post a lot as scum?

[Gorkington]

swell.
eddie/ali can be my scumreads.
bella/fire can be my townreads.
frogger can be my hopefully townlean.
woooooooo

[Gorkington]

bella's not that hard to read.

[Gorkington]

jj what makes you think someone in their right mind would lolhammer Eddie right now?

your scumhunting angles are very easy this game!

[Gorkington]

frog i kind of think ali is scum what do i do.

[Gorkington]

what if he has the role, but is scum?
o:

[Gorkington]

hey dunnstral.

[Gorkington]

i think thats kind of thinkbig in general.
hes pretty hard to read from what little experience ive had with him.

[Gorkington]

VOTE: alisae
p-edit: iuno.
i havent really looked hard at the mechanics yet.

p-edit: no he doesnt.
lol.

[Gorkington]

ive death tunneled thinkbig and forced a lynch on him
feeling like
100% confident
and he flipped town.

so, nah.
he doesnt.

p-edit: non alignment indicative

[Gorkington]

frog.
how am i not going to buddy you this game.
fuck man.

[Gorkington]

i feel like youre full of shit, alisae.
and you should know why.

p-edit: im not really on in-thread mason territory yet man
i dont deserve it.

[Gorkington]

hopefully i'll get there.
im pretty bummed in general right now and i dont like how im playing

p-edit: hehe

[Gorkington]

HAPPINESS IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS CAT VIDEOS TITUS.

p-edit: i dare you to read thinkbig's ISO in threeprongedtrousergod and tell me that you think that thats a town ISO.
i know he flipped town
but he wasnt town that game.
theres no way.

[Gorkington]

OH GOD WHY TITUS

[Gorkington]

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=70500
do me a favour and dont read anything but thinkbig's ISO

[Gorkington]

im not really sure if im legally allowed to link that game tbh.

[Gorkington]

i feel like im not going to be comfortable with anything alisae is saying here until ive read his scum-meta.
and im probably just not going to do that tonight.
:')

[Gorkington]

ehhhhhhhh.
alisae might not be scum.

[Gorkington]

i kind of wish youd waited to let him post more before casing him.

[Gorkington]

it was at alisae.
the thinkbig points are kind of undercut by the fact that theres only four posts to pick at.
and i think it would have been better if hed just let him stew in the pressure before revealing why he thought he was scummy.
but im probably just being a bummer by saying that now :')

[Gorkington]

thoughts on ali's thoughts on you would be a good start

[Gorkington]

Yea

you just gonna keep voting me
you think that thats okay?
youre wrong.
its not okay.
im coming for you.
with my fists
like
get fucked man im gonna get you for this.

[Gorkington]

Those were my first few games with you.
That's unfair.

how many games have you played with him?

[Gorkington]

how has your track record been with reading him when youve been town in those games?
estimated numbers would be ideal.

[Gorkington]

alright,
so.
in that case, given that the recent ratios of you reading him has been overall correct,

@thinkbig

, are you sure you want to roll with the "ali scumreads me EVERY game" angle?
or do you disagree with what hes saying here?

[Gorkington]

We're not lynching tb day 1

ya?

[Gorkington]

On Alisae's meta-analysis:

We have a 5/8 in the actual stats there, or 62.5%. You could get better reads by assuming he's always town.

except his track record of reading him improves over time.
so.
no.
your point isnt good.
and thinkbig is exaggerating unless ali got something wrong.

[Gorkington]

Shut up about stats

the point isnt even the stats?
what even

[Gorkington]

ie:
thinkbig is saying "ALI CALLS ME SCUM EVERY GAME"
and ali's recent track record has been nearly perfect on reading him.
the only blip since the first two in the referenced games has extenuating circumstances.
which means that thinkbig is literally making up the first point unless there's missing information.

[Gorkington]

hi thinkbig your priorities are wrong.
youre addressing ali's history of reading you now.

[Gorkington]

titus please stop quote pyramiding.

[Gorkington]

town.

[Gorkington]

lol

[Gorkington]

VOTE: thinkbig
dun dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnnn

[Gorkington]

you best start being really town when you stop phone posting.

[Gorkington]

oh.

[Gorkington]

im still figuring out how this game works :')

[Gorkington]

sorry for being a jerk.

[Gorkington]

I think I may not bond with anyone.
I am too anti social for that

we could bond and not talk. :')

[Gorkington]

are you sure you want to use neighborhoods to scumhunt again ali?

[Gorkington]

i think thats the rudest thing ive said all game.

[Gorkington]

im telling blizzard.

[Gorkington]

im probably going to vote dunnstral if thinkbig fizzles.
but.
i dont really think thinkbig is going to fizzle.

[Gorkington]

dunnstral's activity in this game feels overly centered around the room temperature feeling on him so far.

[Gorkington]

[Gorkington]

scumhunting

the worst part is that this is the most pointless part of all.

[Gorkington]

Welcome back. You're late. Where the hell have you been?

why do you do this thing
where people suspect you
and then you stop responding to them

[Gorkington]

if youre town
get mad.
do things
smash things
hit people in face
with shovels
or bats.

laying down and accepting being lynched is dumb.

[Gorkington]

V/LA until Trump is gone or I am dead. Whichever happens first. Probably the latter.

doesnt sound like thats the whole story.

[Gorkington]

thinkbig i will unvote you
if you do things
that are town.

if youre town
and you lay down and accept this lynch like you did in tptg im going to be upset at you.

[Gorkington]

if youre having a bad time you dont have to stay
but dont replace out because you want to salvage your slot
thats silly.

[Gorkington]

does thinkbig have a timeturner?

[Gorkington]

you should be townreading me for my play tyvm.

[Gorkington]

i also have no idea how transcend is your top townread.

[Gorkington]

i dont understand the things being said around my name!

[Gorkington]

thats really awkward if so

[Gorkington]

he's really easy to read in general

like he's usually obvscum when he's scum and reads as like weirdly passive - like "ethereal" is the word i use to describe it in my head but i don't know if that makes sense

the rest of the table besides dunn i'm not super familiar with but like trans i can read with like 99.9% certainty

i dont think ive ever heard someone refer to transcend as an easy read.
:s

[Gorkington]

i dont really see why they would format a reference to a post in the scumchat like that tbh.

[Gorkington]

transcend
please explain how thinkbig is town.

[Gorkington]

i mean.
a hydra pt being that far is also excessive.

[Gorkington]

hehh.

[Gorkington]

eh.
its probably not a scumslip.

[Gorkington]

vote: dunnstral

[Gorkington]

oh okay

vote: thinkbig

[Gorkington]

frogg
for your own sanity
i suggest you focus on things that arent how much youre upset at tb right now.

[Gorkington]

i too read people only by how believable their claims are.

[Gorkington]

i mean.
yeah.

[Gorkington]

Look I'm an awful player, I know. I am sorry I suck so much and shouldn't have even joined. And I'm not going to self hammer or self vote this game.

if this is real, walk away, come back and play when youre in a better headspace.

p-edit: i like scumlynches more than i like useful things.

[Gorkington]

firebringer is town.

[Gorkington]

im okay
until day 2!

[Gorkington]

if thinkbig is town then jjh can be scummy.
lets line these lynches up!
who is our day 3 lynch?
god i dont know yet.
gonna have to figure that out.

[Gorkington]

i am pigilante

[Gorkington]

i think its worse if tb is town.

[Gorkington]

i just wanted to say
that as of right now
ive got a good feeling about this group of players.
like.
sometimes i play a game
and im like "oh my fuck if i die everything will fall apart".
but i think theres some good townies in this game.
and im kind of excited about it!

[Gorkington]

like holy shit we've had two wagons in one day.
thats awesome sauce.

p-edit: I WASNT GOING TO SAY IT BUT I MEAN.

[Gorkington]

wow w.e froggen.

[Gorkington]

haha yeah you did.

[Gorkington]

that seems arbitrary.
even if titus isnt a bad vote.

[Gorkington]

i tend to read people only by wagon composition too.

p-edit: I AM NOT IN YOUR SIG
THATS WHY

[Gorkington]

UGH IT FEELS SO BITTERSWEET.

p-edit: im shaken.
please dont transcend.

[Gorkington]

please dont vote me based on your incredible arbitrary scumhunting skills

[Gorkington]

Gorkington
Firebringer
ThinkBig
Dunnstral

i just randomized four names for you transcend.
which one of them is scum?

[Gorkington]

oh god
rc
you sold me out you mother fucker

[Gorkington]

haha sorry titus
frog and i are uncatchable now.

[Gorkington]

uh oh guys its time for competing wagons!

vote: dunnstral

[Gorkington]

as long as you really like being passive, then sure.

[Gorkington]

then you should partner with someone else.

[Gorkington]

i tend to fight against wagons i think are town by just calling them town.

[Gorkington]

you could talk about what in his iso is town as fuck.

[Gorkington]

i mean.
i dont really think transcend is scummy here.
was maybe a little frustrating that he was just saying that thinkbig was town and thats it, but i dont think that frustration translates to someone being scummy.

[Gorkington]

does scumthinkbig think that though?
i forget who was saying it earlier, but someone describing thinkbig as someone who is afraid of posting on their phone as scum kind of gives me doubts about someone putting themselves out there like that as scum.

p-edit: im cheetory. we've played before.

[Gorkington]

hi!

[Gorkington]

AS LONG AS YOU DONT MISREAD ME AGAIN

[Gorkington]

i still feel bad for him.
he deserved to win.
):

[Gorkington]

does scumthinkbig think that though?
i forget who was saying it earlier, but someone describing thinkbig as someone who is afraid of posting on their phone as scum kind of gives me doubts about someone putting themselves out there like that as scum.

heartless?

[Gorkington]

you dont think he potentially underthinks how character selection impacts alignment?
reads a little too casual to be "harharhar im gonna trick people into thinking i think this when i dont harharhar" to me.

[Gorkington]

{also i have to be honest fire, im a little scared of heartless :s dont tell them i said that though}

[Gorkington]

im trying to make the point that it seems more null than anything.
you cant know whats going on in a vacuum.
youre asserting that its thinkbig trying to seem transparent.
im saying it seems out of character for what i feel like i would expect from him as scum.

your third option isnt really something that i feel i can read thinkbig on.
so.

i dont really think thinkbig is town, but im trying to explore other options as i dont feel the pressure there is useful.

p-edit: i wont spend my time shading you and have been actively stopping myself from doing so.

pp-edit: i would rather you win a game than give you the satisfaction of being worthy of paranoia!
ahahrahrahra

[Gorkington]

i feel like im too tired to be coherent right now

[Gorkington]

okay.
i guess i got the impression from the engage with transcend that you were iffy on the claim too
and i feel like that would be an easy thing to be jumping on thinkbig for here.

p-edit: i started writing a response and then talked myself out of my logic there fire q.q
just ignore me.
im being stupid right now q.q

[Gorkington]

yeah i think the titus vote/lets pick a name out of the pile was pretty wonky.

[Gorkington]

i too townread people only for making sense.

[Gorkington]

@titus

, firebringer and bella are probably town. please dont light the game on fire by bothering them.

@anti, nah, i know that bugging you when youre town is shitty because it shifts you off balance. i should have been a little more patient.

[Gorkington]

i dont really know why you would engage titus on her reads tbh.
unless you think you can sort her by doing so.

[Gorkington]

mastin can have good reads too. it doesnt mean that it doesnt cause a mess when people try and understand things that are confusing in their play. i wouldnt pretend to understand how to read titus, but i feel like whats about to happen is going to be really annoying and hard to parse.

[Gorkington]

wow look at how not funny antihero is.

[Gorkington]

yes, and.. uh..

[Gorkington]

ive actually enjoyed this game so far, all things considered. and im just saying this so it seems like im not in pain because of how hard it is to be scum.

[Gorkington]

gorkington

lets see if i can catch some scum with my clever self voting gambit.

[Gorkington]

DAMMIT I MISSED THE VOTE PART MY PLAN HAS FAILED FUCK MY LIFE

[Gorkington]

skeletons dont have noses you fucking jerk.

[Gorkington]

its not like its your first large theme game random ya silly goose.

[Gorkington]

transcend, are you normally this chill about people calling you scum?
because from what experience ive had with you, i wouldnt think so.

[Gorkington]

bella where yo head at on tb?

[Gorkington]

UNVOTE:

You posted 20 pages when i was asleep. Honestly I'm not seeing the think big scum - and even if he is, he could be scum to be sorted later/ after a replacement/when everyone calms the fuck down.

i guess you said this
but i'd like more in-depth thoughts on why youre not scumreading him.

[Gorkington]

i will eat your delicious tears.

[Gorkington]

Anti and Cheet look towny af as well but I've never seen them being scum. Just town. Regardless, bet they have killer scum game.

ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Gorkington]

I did talk about think big - i wasn't making much sense of it and i'm not sorting him today. I'm not sure why that's an issue? the wagons are shifting every three hours or so, i genuinely can't see why it's an issue?

is there context for this? like. i cant understand why you would feel this way unless theres extenuating circumstances.

[Gorkington]

based on my selfvote reaction test, transcend is scum and everyone else is town.

[Gorkington]

its always good to crumb your role.
when mcmenno claims scum later it will be much more believable imo.

[Gorkington]

i keep wavering on transcend
mostly because i keep staring at his flavour reasons for defending thinkbig and i cant make heads or tails of whether it makes more sense for scum or town and it makes me
SUPER UNCOMFORTABLE.
i also am worried that he might be trying to BUDDY ME.
BY SAYING IM PLAYING WELL.
BECAUSE IM SELF CENTERED.

[Gorkington]

so basically my read on transcend is "shitting my pants".

[Gorkington]

whats your track record on reading him giga?

p-edit: its more like paranoid.
there are much much much much much bigger fish to fry.
plus i feel like hes one of those players that unless someone else shows me how to read him or i meta dive him and really try to figure his shit out, im not going to figure his shit out.

pp-edit: i really want thinkbig to come and playyyyyyy
so i can decide whether i want to start lynching the shit out of dunnstral.

[Gorkington]

we could make this game a first?
(:

[Gorkington]

he got replaced by someone super easy to read though!
c:<

[Gorkington]

Gorkington, you will now publicly town-clear me or accept that you are confirmed scum.

lol.
yeah okay bud.

[Gorkington]

vecna.
im expecting
full on
complete
townleader vecna
within 48 hours.
or im putting you in a mafia coffin.

[Gorkington]

im not.

[Gorkington]

shouldnt you be reading?
this game isnt for FUN vecna.
this is SERIOUS.

[Gorkington]

youre so impatient ali.

[Gorkington]

youre so impatient ali.

[Gorkington]

You two used lamist wrong

chainsaw

[Gorkington]

hi bella!

whenabouts can i expect the catch-up on thinkbig's ISO from you?

[Gorkington]

Gork, I did it, or as much as I'm going to today. It's a very confused mess, which is a lot of the reason I'm wavering on him. The replacement is't making me any happier.

okk.
i hope you can start getting into the game again soon.

[Gorkington]

i dont think i was negging you
D:

[Gorkington]

go to bed.

[Gorkington]

I forgot about it.

I was sheeping town!Grey

. I believe I had other reads though?

i feel like youre underplaying how confident you sounded in that game about your thinkbig read :/
you were telling people to sheep you on it

[Gorkington]

and basing other reads around his play in that game.
heartless being weirded out by that is pretty reasonable.
[and theyre also probably town]

also,

@anti

,
im pretty sure ali is town here.
the metacase potentially being kind of iffy is actually maybe slightly more indicative of townAli than scumAli, yafeel?

[Gorkington]

yeah.
i should probably take a shower sometime this morning.

[Gorkington]

i dont really know what to do with it.

[Gorkington]

i still feel like that was a little dishonest

i think hes probably going off the high from a few times having read TB right
and he over exaggerated in the process.
i think its much more damning that tb tried to fight it and then just kind of gave up and conceded the point when people pressed him on it. he could be that easy to push around as town, but it just feels like the initial "ali always scumreads me" should have translated into more annoyance if he actually felt that way.

p-edit: idk.
role stuff is dumb.

[Gorkington]

i dont really like crumbing.
if i was at 100% "fire is town" level i would still be kind of uncomfortable about it.

[Gorkington]

im pretty sure youre town.
i dont really think theres anyone i townread enough to just throw my role at or hint my role at.

especially not on d1 when it could be really stupid to let early reads dictate me potentially revealing stuff to scum.

[Gorkington]

bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
is there an expiry on when i can get back to you?

[Gorkington]

k let me be stupid and think about it.
:')
stupid guy reporting in.

[Gorkington]

im being pretty lazy in saying this.
but everything about vecna's engage with me and his read on me is wonky.

[Gorkington]

"ahh gork im so paranoid of u"
"also ur play is weird! stop shitposting grrrrrrrrr get it because im trying to make it seem like im sorting you"
"but also ur town thanks for being town lets be town together!!"

[Gorkington]

and seriously, i cant believe youre actually trying to push your role as conftown.
like.
in what world do you actually believe that?
you just played civ so im pretty sure you understand the idea of "role doesnt make someone town!"

[Gorkington]

i dont think im hard to read.
i think you would be more hesitant here as town though.

and please, do tell me, why is your role NEVER in the hands of scum?
explain it to me.
like im a fucking dumbo.

[Gorkington]

and please, do tell me, why is your role NEVER in the hands of scum?
explain it to me.
like im a fucking dumbo.

[Gorkington]

i feel uninvested in this game now
damn

[Gorkington]

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

vote: dunnstral

thats a hammer i think.

[Gorkington]

any last words deadstral?

[Gorkington]

dunnstral,
do you have scumreads that arent titus?

[Gorkington]

why is eddiegigaguy scum?

do you have experience with heartless from before this game?

[Gorkington]

2slowbish

[Gorkington]

would antihero being a limp noodle when scum make you feel better about him/his play this game?

do you think anything about your play could potentially annoy giga if he was town here?
like
if i go into his iso and find the things being referenced and lay them out, are you going to be able to say "oh well no theres no reason that would bother him"?

what is your expectation of scumGiga in general?

[Gorkington]

what do you want a response to vecna?

[Gorkington]

like, obviously i am having doubts
or i would still be pushing you instead of dunnstral.

or do you need me to hit you in the face with "OH GOD MAYBE I DONT KNOW ABOUT MY READS RIGHT NOW" if it wasnt fucking clear enough from the post your quoted.

[Gorkington]

because im being lazy.
questions are my way of sorting people im wary of.
im not really in the mood to play as well as i can be.

[Gorkington]

Just wondering what conclusions you drew from my responses

that i disagree with your assessment about mechanics
but i can see someone believing it
and im not interested in fighting you on something like that.

other than that i felt bored reading your thoughts because theres too many.

protip for catching up if you are town:
summarizing your thoughts is better than "HOLY SHIT EVERYTHING BATMAN".

[Gorkington]

im glad that you have the stamina to keep up with a game like this and read walls upon walls.
because i dont right now.

[Gorkington]

heartless might be scum bc they are good but idk same for gork

these reads are so lame.

[Gorkington]

can someone explain at my face why bella is town
because i havent thought that about any of her posts since earlygame
and i want to be patient about it
but im getting impatient about it.

[Gorkington]

oh i guess you wanted post-early game stuff gork uh

honestly none of it has really made me want to change my read on her so?? i'd still like to know why you're scum(?)reading her

i dont really feel like her last few posts have felt very genuine.

[Gorkington]

What'll it take to get you to vote scum? Like Vecna, Bella, or Dunn?

oh god titus's reads make sense to me.
something strange has happened.

[Gorkington]

i should probably leave the game until i have attention span to actually do things.
shading bella is probably unproductive when im not really able to properly articulate it properly.

[Gorkington]

HIS VIEW OF ME
THAT I AM AN ASSHOLE
:')

[Gorkington]

gorkington do you understand the message

nope

[Gorkington]

oh wait nvm i see what you did.
stupid.
zzzzzzzzz.

[Gorkington]

oh god fuck no.