Open 685: Diffusion of Power [Game Over]
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As suspected. Sorry I'm back by the way, it was too hot to do anything for a couple days.In post 287, Varanus wrote:Yeah, almost the entire player list here all know each other from off site. It's just you, transcend, and noseacaballo not part of the group that basically raided this game.
Perhaps I will have a different perspective only seeing what people are writing in this specific game. Although, I did play my last game with giga so if I start drawing on that someone please call me out as a hypocrite.- noseacaballo
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Melanora:
I just meant that I read an iso and think "would this make sense coming from scum" or "would this make sense coming from town." If I read it and say wow yes that makes a lot of sense sounding like scum, then it isn't great evidence, but it's something. Sorry if I explained poorly, is that clearer?
And as for Ingeel:
I felt like it was a lot of complaining about the game not advancing, without doing anything to advance it. Seemed like someone with a scum role getting anxious. OH and also I didn’t like the comment about having a legacy of being dumb town in post 229. I read it like let me make excuses for not being particularly pro-town…
There were a couple things that made me question it like asking if there was an active role every night but I never said my read was permanent.- noseacaballo
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That's a good decision for a N1 check. Also I'm very happy where I left my vote before I was gone (sorry!) for a couple days.
Also, I'm suspicious of RC. I don't understand where town reads on RC are coming from. Oh and I'm biased against meta reads maybe that's it.
Related question: maybe i'm new here but have meta reads ever been useful? We spend half the time arguing about what someone's meta actually is...- noseacaballo
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He entered in under pressure and got out of it by almost comically following you, which still doesn't seem serious to me...and then pursued that strategy all the way to being town-read. Maybe this is strange to say but I feel like he is playing a character, which is exactly how I would assume scum would replace in to a slot. Avoid serious discussion by doing something that almost becomes a joke.In post 1084, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:i strongly rely on meta but most people are shit at using it
also why are you suspicious of rc? i'll admit that uh
i'm not very good at reading him- noseacaballo
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Which he also knew coming in. So would provide an excellent way to get out of suspicion.In post 1088, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:it's comical because rc and i are friends and he's teasing me
Hey RC by the way. What do you think on the subject?- noseacaballo
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Honestly, I don't see much either way.In post 1100, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:what about ulti- noseacaballo
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I understand the concept of killing ulti for contributing nothing on day 1 when identifying scum is the most difficult. It doesn't seem like pressure is going to make him suddenly come in and answer everything. But it depends on how confident we are on varanus and I feel like that's a better option.- noseacaballo
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Hope you're doing ok!In post 1142, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:im probably going to be posting a lot less btw im a complete mess r/n
This week has been brutal for me work-wise so I'm half asleep every time I log on at night.- noseacaballo
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1. Who do you think is most likely to be scum?In post 1145, Ulti wrote:
Not really feeling the pressure, unfortunately this is how most games go on me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯In post 1143, noseacaballo wrote:I understand the concept of killing ulti for contributing nothing on day 1 when identifying scum is the most difficult. It doesn't seem like pressure is going to make him suddenly come in and answer everything. But it depends on how confident we are on varanus and I feel like that's a better option.
If you want me to answer things, what do you want me to answer?
2. What do you think about the wagon that is on you?- noseacaballo
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While he may have been bussed by 1, I don't think he was bussed by 2. Also, wouldn't the point of a self-hammer be to not put his friends under suspicion for having to decide whether to hammer or not? Or was that just him not caring...
I think Ingeel, Jordarrian, KilltheStory finds scum and in that order. Though there are a couple on the wagon that I wouldn't trust not to be bussing.- noseacaballo
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He seemed to be trying to avoid attention and as silly as it sounds when he was demanding suspicion, I got suspicious.In post 1236, Ulti wrote:Possible that transcend is scum trying to take me with him if he goes down- I have no opinion on whether that is the case but could be
Where?In post 1235, noseacaballo wrote:For the record I thought Transcend hinted pretty hard at it Day 1. I don't know if that makes it more or less legitimate.
Question for you (or anyone): Why would Transcend as scum decide that on Day 2 he was going to try to put himself out there with the goal of taking down Ulti with him...? I'm trying to see why he would do that and I can't get my head around it.- noseacaballo
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I think there were several of us that saw Varanus as pretty scummy.In post 1342, RadiantCowbells wrote:
GEE YOU LOSE THE PERSON WHO ACTUALLY CAUGHT AND LYNCHED SCUM IN THE FIRST PLACE.In post 1340, noseacaballo wrote:Wow, so I don't see too much downside in killing RC right? I mean if RC flips town then we would know what to do next...Am I missing something??- noseacaballo
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I don't get this. Either we kill Titus or you? I don't see why there would ever be a waiting to kill Titus and letting you live now...In post 1346, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Sure I'm fine with Titus dying eventually but I'd vastly rather lynch scum without dying myself- noseacaballo
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To be fair we would have to be sure we have a doctor both N2 and N3 to be able to do that...or to make it worth anythingIn post 1363, Jordarrian wrote:Tbf I think the smarter play would be to lynch Titus. If he flips town then we know to lynch RC the next day. Why do I suggest lynching him over RC you may ask? Well, if RC really is town and a N3 cop as he claims, then we just wasted a cop check. However, if Titus isn't lying and is a n1 cop as he claims, he already used his check so he's pretty much vanilla now. Think about the danger of possibly killing off a perfectly good cop check people.- noseacaballo
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Which is precisely why i'm not sure....nor should you be. Or anyone that has town interests at heart.In post 1370, Jordarrian wrote:Nobody is sure except for scum. What are you on mate?- noseacaballo
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I think if I were 50/50 (or even 40/60) on whether Titus was telling the truth or lying I would look at your logic and say 'hey yeah that makes sense, let's hedge our bets.' But I think the odds are just so much higher that it's scum RC and not Titus. So I'm willing to risk a cop check several nights in advance in order to keep a townsperson alive.- noseacaballo
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Translation: Will you guys promise not suspect me if I hop on this wagon here?In post 1527, Ingeel wrote:I don't think k1ll flips town here
Most of his ISO is really just D1 fluff and then little comments here and there, he never really expressed an opinion.
Are we fine putting him at L-1?- noseacaballo
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I know I have suspected Ingeel for a long time now so if anyone has other compelling cases to present, I would happily discuss those and avoid getting too tunneled in my read.
BUT
Looking at that wagon...
If we believe Silmarils and Titus cop claims then it only leaves one.......
So real questions:
Would silmarils fakeclaim a cop and just claim to have investigated an innocent person? Would that really be all that crazy?
Even crazier...how crazy would it be for Titus to fakeclaim a cop and then throw her buddy under the bus to hopefully become confirmed town. Would that really be impossible?
Or should we just go with the much simpler (more likely?) explanation and kill scummy Ingeel.- noseacaballo
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