Spring Fever (Endgame)

[Heartless]

rabid dog



is here

VOTE: fire

[Heartless]

also we can bond w two ppl

we're now taking applications, plz form an orderly line

[Heartless]

Heartless if you don't bond with me, I am consider you confirmed scum.

are you prepared to be the sub?

[Heartless]

Heartless if you don't bond with me, I am consider you confirmed scum.

are you prepared to be the sub?

I will be the switch.

urban dictionary teaches me something new all the time

the correct answer is "yes" though....

[Heartless]

there's also no excuse for me getting left out of the dog faction

[Heartless]

there's also no excuse for me getting left out of the dog faction

Since your with TTH you are technically only half dog

a bird-dog is still a dog

but u still didn't answer the question...

[Heartless]

ok just need to bleach off the ball gags real quick

eyes wide shut tuesday got a little out of hand last time...

[Heartless]

Red like roses fills my dreams and brings me to the place you rest.
White is cold and always yearning, burdened by a royal test.
Black the beast descends from shadows.
Yellow beauty burns gold.

subtle...

[Heartless]

also we can bond w two ppl

we're now taking applications, plz form an orderly line

Anti forgot to mention that we are either going to be active in both bonds or passive in both. If we're going active, we should probably take meh nullreads or maybe even scumreads. If passive, we'll take townreads.
I'd personally prefer to go passive but I know Anti doesn't. We'll get back with you on that in a bit.

also we can bond w two ppl

we're now taking applications, plz form an orderly line

Are Donold and Goofy viable applicants?

I'll take Goofy but Donald can fuck right off until he learns to heal me at the right time and/or last longer than 2 seconds in a boss fight.

[Heartless]

I accept your proposition.
Now let's get bonded.

You're scumreading us but you'd still let us have the action?
I'm intrigued.

[Heartless]

Yes.
Why else would I have said it?

[Heartless]

You know for longest time I thought the bonds in this game meant literal bonds like the financial instrument, because well....
I am an accountant and human social bonds elude me.

Alright-y then, don't talk to me.
Talk to Anti from now on.

[Heartless]

Are you actually mad at me?

No, that was meant to be a cheeky reference to the signup thread where you said you liked me better than Anti.
"Very mild irritation and frustration" would be closer to my actual feeling since I felt like that was a good jumping off point for getting a read on you but I feel like it instantly fizzled.

[Heartless]

define: bonding

the electrostatic attraction between 2 ions of opposite charge OR when two atoms share 1 or more pair(s) of electrons

[Heartless]

wow its not like im literally a shithead whenever anyone scumreads me. is this your first time playing with me firebringer? i guess it must be.

i know gork ur so awful.

that is literally the worst i've ever seen anyone act in a mafia game.

shameshameshameshameshame

[Heartless]

fire i dont see why you'd be opposed to lynching scum

can you talk to me about dunn tho

this is actually probably scum though, for real.

maybe

pbtbtbtbtbbbbbtbtbtppbptprprptbtbrprrprp

[Heartless]

its funny because the last time you did this exact same thing you had an equally shitty time for the rest of the game.

lolwat?

kids show?

[Heartless]

VOTE: alisae

[Heartless]

UNVOTE: Gorkington
It was a real vote, but gorks reaction to his wagon looks genuine

I'm really bad at reading all these shitposts, but I'm sorting a little bit

could also vote this

[Heartless]

eddddddgy

[Heartless]

Oh yeah btw random is town.

rly...

[Heartless]

You and i should bond heartless.

price of admission is be passive or get townread by the raven

[Heartless]

lrn2hydra

n00b

[Heartless]

Yeah jj, don't shoot down Frog like that! Gawsh.

You have any opinions about other people? Oh yeah and me, what's your read on me.

pffffffffftttttttttttt

[Heartless]

ur fake concern over hydra signing is duly noted

[Heartless]

ok i think i've antagonized alisae enough today

i'm gonna go take a shit

[Heartless]

you know...

for the amount of "x is town" being thrown around...

not many town things are being done

i cast my aspirsionzzzzzzzzzz. grow, seeds of paranoia, GROW

[Heartless]

What do you think needs to be done, Heartless, and why don't you start doing it?

i didn't say anything "needed" to be done

._.

[Heartless]

i'm sure you'll see my insinuation.

if u... try again?

@jj

[Heartless]

Also maybe you guys

jusssstsstdtststs what i was fishing for

thread temperature taken....

mwhahahahahaaaahahhahhhahahahahah


/rubs hands together and disappears into shadows

[Heartless]

unless it's that people are erring on the side of that which is light and fluffy with regards to reads

possible

also possible that scum are overplaying the omniscience hand just a littIe too hard

[Heartless]

I was suspicious of Frog because on a similar line of reasoning but he's a light townread now for other reasons.

If you want to make a case against someone then do it. Cultivating general suspicion is not a town play in my eyes, and if you want to spin it to making sure everyone has their wits about them then please assume people are quite attached to their wits unless you have a reason to disagree.

you...

are no fun to troll

fire could u plz come back?

[Heartless]

you put yourself on ur reads lists...?

that is sooooooooooooo

ooo

tacky

[Heartless]

hopefully i'll get there.
im pretty bummed in general right now and i dont like how im playing

p-edit: hehe

kinda same here

my solution is to just shitpost until tth gets here to do smart things

[Heartless]

VOTE: thinkbig

[Heartless]

better question:

why is he scum

nononononononononooono

"why is he town?" is a perfectly good question

i mean... i GUESS you could possibly townread the replace-out outburst/s but that should've been shattered by the retraction

what is town about 4 half-assed townreads on the spammer friends?

[Heartless]

looking at transcend's iso

this is scum

[Heartless]

Gorkington did you pair up with someone or should we pair up?

u lost interest in the "quick sort" fast....

[Heartless]

that... isn't rly germane to getting a read...?

[Heartless]

PEdit: It would be town utility, wouldn't it? I guess I'm assuming things are predictable like that. Maybe I am wrong after all.

(quick aside about MS meta: any upick mod worth their salt will make scum roles that have conceivable town utility. it's also possible there's "scummy" dimensions to the role [like strongman or ninja or something] in addition to the "town" part. with a few exceptions [obvious confirmables like mason/IC; for the most part killing roles are town] role is null in upicks/role madness.)

[Heartless]

that... isn't rly germane to getting a read...?

ohhh yeah. i townread you guys.
i guess i never stated that.

oh thnx

THAT'S what i wanted to hear

[Heartless]

VOTE: transcend

[Heartless]

probably the best point for thinkbig being town now is transcend wking the wagon

[Heartless]

plus his iso is town as fuck what the fuck are you guys missing i don't even understand

a town case should be SUPER easy then

[Heartless]

let's think of reasons a scum!thinkbig claims his role in his third fucking post

>he thinks "night chat enabler" will give him towncred
>he thinks claiming in the name of "transparency" will give him towncred

"BUTZ THAT WOULDN'T GIVE HIM TOWNCRED"

jj was ready to give him some so ... point not taken

[Heartless]

no night chat is when the game thread is open at night

see: twie's role in rogue one

[Heartless]

does scumthinkbig think that though?
i forget who was saying it earlier, but someone describing thinkbig as someone who is afraid of posting on their phone as scum kind of gives me doubts about someone putting themselves out there like that as scum.

heartless?

he might

he might not

it might be someone else on the teams' idea

i feel like at this point ur trying to outguess something that's not really possible to be outguessed

[Heartless]

{also i have to be honest fire, im a little scared of heartless :s dont tell them i said that though}

so... u remember what u said to fire about you being an easy read

same here

both of us (tth to a lesser extent but still)



don't shade me bc that's actually kind of worse

[Heartless]

jeez ppl ...

TRs right now: Frog, Alisae, Gork, jjh927

TRs right now: Frog, Alisae, Gork, jjh927

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Based on my interactions with them right now. Granted I'm still nowhere near done reading the thread.

I also want TB to address Gork's concerns and my 730

Exhibit A

TRs right now: Frog, Alisae, Gork, jjh927

AS OF THIS POST WHY WERE YOU TOWNREADING ME

Exhibit B

P-edit: Exhibit C

somebody defend this as a town reads set

i will wait

[Heartless]

if anyone should be nervous of someone, it should be you guys of me.

am i townreading you...?

no

no i am not

[Heartless]

im trying to make the point that it seems more null than anything.
you cant know whats going on in a vacuum.
youre asserting that its thinkbig trying to seem transparent.
im saying it seems out of character for what i feel like i would expect from him as scum.

your third option isnt really something that i feel i can read thinkbig on.
so.

i dont really think thinkbig is town, but im trying to explore other options as i dont feel the pressure there is useful.

i don't get what your point is

my point is that i'm not reading him on roleclaim stuff, i'm looking at the reads and they're half-baked reads on four loudmouths that he fails to subsequently defend with any semblance of natural reasoning

[Heartless]

i dont really think thinkbig is town, but im trying to explore other options as i dont feel the pressure there is useful.

ok.... see, i can take this as a position

but "TB SOOOOO OBVZTOWNZ, WAGONZ SCUMZORZ" seems fabricated

[Heartless]

pp-edit: i would rather you win a game than give you the satisfaction of being worthy of paranoia!
ahahrahrahra

bur?

[Heartless]

but "TB SOOOOO OBVZTOWNZ, WAGONZ SCUMZORZ" seems fabricated

in particular, that titus vote feels like a ... how did you phrase it?...

an asspull

that's an apt description

[Heartless]

Just reminding myself fire is town as fuck

I like it when my natural opinions make me appear townie when I am not :devil:

yeah... i ... don't get frogger's point there

[Heartless]

wow...I didn't read that as shading you at all. I read that as him having some paranoia about you, which I do too.

can u keep it to urself then plz

tia

[Heartless]

how am i being a douchebag?

[Heartless]

ok i'll go away

[Heartless]

wow...I didn't read that as shading you at all. I read that as him having some paranoia about you, which I do too.

can u keep it to urself then plz

tia

ok THIS was sort of douche-y

but i don't think i did anything prior to this

did i?

[Heartless]

Hi guys, TTH here. ^_^
Antihero sounded a little bristly so I hope there's no major drama here. I already pulled his ear and told him not to be a turd, but if there's anybody pushing his buttons please stop.
Anti threw a few reads at me but since I'm not caught up I don't have an intelligent way of assessing them. I will be catching up on the thread tonight when I get off work. :3

[Heartless]

titus is town

huehuehuehuehuehuehuehue

[Heartless]

i too townread people only for making sense.

sry i snapped at u.

plz understand it's bc i'm a shitty person

[Heartless]

titus is town

huehuehuehuehuehuehuehue

you know...

for the amount of "x is town" being thrown around...

not many town things are being done

i cast my aspirsionzzzzzzzzzz. grow, seeds of paranoia, GROW

someone plz go get the "that's the joke" simpsons screenshot

[Heartless]

oo I get it!

SEE I'M NOT A DOUCHEBAG

I'M FUCKING HILARIOUS

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Heartless]

/sigh

there is zero chance this game is going to not make me insane is there?

realtalk: gork's prediction on the trajectory of this conversation is likely very accurate

[Heartless]

shifq is prob scum

everyone will dismiss him as "too easy" though so it's ok

[Heartless]

shifq is prob scum

everyone will dismiss him as "too easy" though so it's ok

i actually take this back. from the looks of the iso, it looks like he's at least roughly keeping up w the thread but not commenting but the pace is pretty fast so that could be it (?)

[Heartless]

Don't vote for Titus' tits.

reported

[Heartless]

the trolling...

it's contagious

[Heartless]

tth is gonna LOVE this read

i just know it

[Heartless]

to be fair...

the only time i've seen titus do a posting gimmick was street fighter and she was scum so that's kinda :/

[Heartless]

Why is it AI because I see her doing it as both alignments. Why is scum!Titus going to blatantly act like that. What does she gain from doing that?

that was in response to this

/maximum clarity

[Heartless]

Slayer's gambit

these are great and absolutely never fail to catch scum

well done

[Heartless]

why THE FUCK are there 57 pages

well... you see...

when a cursor and the "submit" button love each other very much...

[Heartless]

Anti and Cheet look towny af as well but I've never seen them being scum. Just town. Regardless, bet they have killer scum game.

ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

i know right

[Heartless]

transcend could u do me a solid and link a recent town + scum game?

tia

[Heartless]

hey alisae

so... i asked tth if she ever played w tb before and she pointed me to this game that you were also in viewtopic.php?p=8968203&user_select%5B% ... 0#p8968203

where not only was tb scummy af and got run up for it but you were both town and you misread him.

this was a little over a month ago so it's not ancient history. how did this escape your meta record?

[Heartless]

can the people scumreading transcend for townreading tb actually tell me why that's scummy for transcend specifically because this is his norm

i think transcend was in kids show but it was a while ago and i don't remember anything about him

educate me

[Heartless]

/low moan

[Heartless]

i actually clicked vecna's spoiler and read it

i want my 45 seconds back

[Heartless]

holy shit, trans is right

i'm a douchebag

[Heartless]

And that just seems so fucking strange and awkward considering A. They're pushing TB with me and B. I get the subtle feeling they're trying to discredit my meta reading skills there.

uhhh... fucking what?

i said after i saw that game that tb was scummy as shit and i am now NOT "pushing tb with you"

and i am NOT discrediting i now have this data point that goes against your whole argument that you can tonally read tb without fail

what's "strange and awkward" is that YOU are sticking to your guns instead of reconsidering

[Heartless]

I'm not saying it can't. Just come's across that way to me. I honestly have no idea if that read changed or not. If they were reconsidering with new info, then that's fine, honestly wasn't thinking that angle mostly becuase I wasn't really seeing any other evidence or reconsideration besides that post.

what does that even mean?

what kind of "reconsideration" did you expect to see past that point given that was one of my most recent posts?

[Heartless]

idk i still feel .... not quite "lied to" but i still feel like that was a little dishonest

tbh i'm not 100% on thinkbig slot being a wash bc 1) i asked rc if he saw the retraction in thread and he said he did, meaning tb either replaced out by scum pt (like frogger said) or he replaced out pm (also kinda slimy) and 2) it still doesn't account for tb retconning the 4 (already lame to begin with) townreads

[Heartless]

that's "try hard"....?

that's like one rung above "try none"

[Heartless]

I am now caught up with the game! Yay! \^_^/
I'll be around for the next hour or so if anyone wants to chat with me in between writing other posts.

[Heartless]

Where we are on ThinkBig (Ali, this is mostly for you).
Antihero started out scumreading him because of the reads ThinkBig entered the game with. Yesterday, he asked me if I've ever played with him before to get meta on him. I told him about MathBlade's game and I alluded to him being lynchbaity. I'm definitely seeing some watermarks from that game like Post 925, bemoaning getting run up, Post 928, insisting he's town when called scum, and the replace out dance. There's also the fact he seems to have attracted a couple defenders, namely Transcend and Dunnstral, when if ThinkBig were scum I would think his team would just bus his scummy ass.
That said, ThinkBig's gameplay is bothersome and difficult to reconcile with him being town. Anti and I brainstormed last night for a while about what could explain the case of the dangling townreads. The best we could come up with was that he hadn't really been paying attention and he just reacted to real time events of the thread. That explanation strains plausibility.
To be sure, it's a troublesome slot but I don't think that read is nearly as cut-and-dry as you're making it out to be.

[Heartless]

Startup part 2 commencing now. Titus voting me means Titus likely being scum.

So your stance is that anyone voting you is scum? :O

Well, I am the same, let's bond.

Would you agree to be passive?
If so, we'll bond with you.

[Heartless]

Where we are on ThinkBig (Ali, this is mostly for you).
Antihero started out scumreading him because of the reads ThinkBig entered the game with. Yesterday, he asked me if I've ever played with him before to get meta on him. I told him about MathBlade's game and I alluded to him being lynchbaity. I'm definitely seeing some watermarks from that game like Post 925, bemoaning getting run up, Post 928, insisting he's town when called scum, and the replace out dance. There's also the fact he seems to have attracted a couple defenders, namely Transcend and Dunnstral, when if ThinkBig were scum I would think his team would just bus his scummy ass.
That said, ThinkBig's gameplay is bothersome and difficult to reconcile with him being town. Anti and I brainstormed last night for a while about what could explain the case of the dangling townreads. The best we could come up with was that he hadn't really been paying attention and he just reacted to real time events of the thread. That explanation strains plausibility.
To be sure, it's a troublesome slot but I don't think that read is nearly as cut-and-dry as you're making it out to be.

I am just at more people don't like groupthink so they TR scum.

I don't know. Is there anything to support that narrative?
Dunn's defense is particularly feckless. He just glibly declares "We're not lynching tb day 1" once (Post 750) and he doesn't really try to rebut Gork's points in a way he could reasonably expect to sway anyone. It's a "designed to fail defense" to borrow from Antihero lexicon.
Transcend put a little more effort into his defense when Anti got on his case about it, but I don't think it's great either. ThinkBig's claim isn't really alignment indicative and I don't see it as a big risk to take if ThinkBig were scum.

[Heartless]

Chemicals? Ask Anti

It's Rayleigh scattering. The nitrogen in the atmosphere selectively scatters incident solar radiation at blue wavelengths.
I took science classes in college too!

[Heartless]

If this is accurate, it suggests TB town and Dunn scum wanting the ml to go through. That's not jiving with my analysis thus far.

You haven't proven that the timing of pushes on you and ThinkBig are anything beyond coincidence.

[Heartless]

Not great defenses but heartfelt are triggers of being opposed to group think. More like Trans is selling himself.

Selling himself? To who?
What's your argument here?

[Heartless]

Not great defenses but heartfelt are triggers of being opposed to group think. More like Trans is selling himself.

Selling himself? To who?
What's your argument here?

Namely that Transcend is selling himself that TB is town.

We are acutely aware that's possible, especially if the TB slot is scum.

[Heartless]

Why weren't you voting the slot?

Anti

was

voting the slot. He moved to Transcend in the subsequent conversation.

[Heartless]

Because the utility in this role is being pretty much town-confirmed in a role madness setup Giga. The nightchat is a nice gimmick, but its not really earth-shattering. The good part of the role is that it could -never- be a scum power in role madness. Anyone with a grain of common sense that can setup spec should see this instantly. Scum need potent abilities to circumnavigate the minefield of town abilities, not -this- role that I have.

As the designer of

many

role madness games, all I have to say to this is: no.

[Heartless]

Why weren't you voting the slot?

Anti

was

voting the slot. He moved to Transcend in the subsequent conversation.

How do you feel about Vecna's recent posts?

I'm not impressed so far.

[Heartless]

Oh yeah btw TTH I saw your post and it made me happy and feel better about ywall.
What's your current read on me?

I think you're town. For me it was your progression on the Frog read. I don't think Frog was that town until the ThinkBig meltdown and you picked up on that instead of forcing a townread on a loudmouth.

[Heartless]

Unfortunately for him, Vecna is not going to be able to mislynch us this game.
His interpretations of Anti's posting are incredibly tone deaf.

[Heartless]

I think I'd like to lynch one of: heartless, eddiebyte, Titus

Oh boy, I

do

want to go double active now.

[Heartless]

I am now caught up with the game! Yay! \^_^/
I'll be around for the next hour or so if anyone wants to chat with me in between writing other posts.

ok i thought you specifically were asking for questions here lmao but i was still wondering

what reads are the two of you disagreeing on? i'm not seeing much dissonance between either of you and while i'm assuming that's not showing because you're familiar with how to hydra in a not-shitty way (lol @me) i'm still curious

A couple things. We're an RL hydra and we talk a lot outside the context of mafia. We've also hydraed a lot, notice the Jack of all Trades title.

[Heartless]

And Dunnstral, I know you've played with scum-Antihero before so you're full of shit. I'd rather tell him so

he

can rip you a new asshole himself. It'll be more satisfying.

[Heartless]

IT'S GUT LOSER

I don't have anything else to say

that's fine

i hope u like lead

[Heartless]

yeah..... u were in srettt fighter and ur scumreading me?

bull

shit

,njoy the fists of justice

[Heartless]

fire dont I fuckig dare replace put

u should stay

MOSERY LOVES COMABY

[Heartless]

why doesn it matter if in in a hydra

ornot?

[Heartless]

lame

enjoy ur death

[Heartless]

I'm ready for Dunn's skull to adorn my throne.

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Heartless]

Well let's talk because atm I feel worried. Like, Aelita's push just gives me bad vibes, and I don't think that Aelita would be bussing here if that slot was scum. Also there was a point where Titus was pushing Vecna but Vecna just didn't respond to her push at all and mostly focused on catching up. It sorta makes me feel like that slot might be town?

You could be right.
There is someone starting to bother me but it's not Aelita.

[Heartless]

guys when you fuckers are producing 97 pages in 2 days the votecount being only 7 pages back should be an achievement

We love you too, RC. ^_^ <3

[Heartless]

what's the dunn case

cases are scummy

[Heartless]

also

lol @ where vecna stopped reading + responding

[Heartless]

Plz read 2453

oh yeah... ur fine. d(")d

[Heartless]

also

lol @ where vecna stopped reading + responding

I've read and responded to the entire game scum

taps shoulder

u have an outstanding ? from dunn...

[Heartless]

idrk if vecna is scum anymore but his death would be positive town utility regardless

[Heartless]

What conclusions are you going to get from me flipping town here?

none

removing someone pushing unflinchingly bad reads while not paying attention to what's going on and reevaluating... is positive town utility

[Heartless]

And why are you only policing outstanding questions against me?

i'm not "policing" anything...

youre impsoing your own negativity

on what i do

[Heartless]

seems like a harsh judgment to make of someone who has just caught up.
if you think vecna is scum, then whatevs, but if he is town hes not someone i would want to casually lynch without at least thinking about it.

lol

gork if this were YOU he was mindlessly tunneling i think you'd be singing a different tune

and if vecna can dish out the antagonism i think he's a big boy enough to get some of it back

[Heartless]

can someone explain the dunn case for me?

i think it's exceedingly likely scum defended thinkbig here

thinkbig from here = beeboy from game of thrones

[Heartless]

lol

gork if this were YOU he was mindlessly tunneling i think you'd be singing a different tune

I mean friend....it doesn't seem that mindless?
I mean I can't follow it at all, but I am wondering scum motivation to focus you or me.'
Not seeing it.

Maybe that's the point?

Don't think it's quite a tunnel.

when you have reached the level of needless antagonism as 2548 and the level of pedantry as 2603... it's a tunnel

[Heartless]

but... you know... maybe i AM being unfair and cruel just because he is pushing me...

[Heartless]

What conclusions are you going to get from me flipping town here?

none

removing someone pushing unflinchingly bad reads while not paying attention to what's going on and reevaluating... is positive town utility

And you would know my reads are unflinchingly bad....why exactly?

You havent exactly done much this game, or would you argue against that point?

What part of my points ive made against you do you feel are wrong?

Why would you not adress these issues, instead of using them as an excuse to be fine with a townlynch? Like, improve your own play? Because usefull yourself.

Because right now, theres a lot more town-utility in lynching you if youre gonna keep up this playstyle, even if youre town (but be assured if you make it clear to me that you are, I wont be the one lynching you at least for some weak-ass reasoning).

ok

plz avoid me in future games

[Heartless]

that seems tenuous as a reason to lynch someone.
which game of thrones is this?

why is it tenuous? scummy people attract white knights who know too much and they let their omniscience leak into their reads

i think eddie is prob the one who went about it in the most thought out and townish way but they're still hovering in my null zone. transcend's defense was wtf but he gets a smidge of townishness for having a little bit of a 'tude. dunn's defense is completely lolz (not lynching for a role in a role madness...)

also i'm talking about radja's mini theme where u were a scum tracker

[Heartless]

You have been just standing at the sidelines. You havent pushed shit. You havent had any single original thought or read. You've just been staying under the radar, taking potshots.

that is so grossly untrue and the fact you're saying this is the reason i'm declining to talk to you bc that's the sure mark you can't be reasoned with

[Heartless]

i mean... if youre going to dismiss my conversation w transcend immediately following the thinkbig fallout as "potshots" i have no desire to talk to you bc at that point you've reduced how i play the game to insignificance and pettiness and my only response to that is venom

i see nothing to be gained going down that road

[Heartless]

The fact youre so agitated for someone saying they havent gotten a town-lock read on you is just weird man.

no... no it really isn't

[Heartless]

Can you seriously sit there and not qualify their game as "sitting at the side-lines, not doing shit but throwing out the occasional random comment, and sometimes trying to influence shit in a certain direction without actually commiting to it?"

well... considering no one talked about the idea of thinkbig getting wked before me and me voting thinkbig defenders since that's the way my read of the situation progressed...

yes, i can serious sit here and qualify my game that way

[Heartless]

Tell me why I'm wrong, scary hydra person.

i read ur "clear" of tb based on role more derpy and due to inexperience w role madness than calculating

u can be in my scum pool if u want though!

[Heartless]

Fire you might be right about my cat

ehhhhhhh

i think he'd have to be more than a little oblivious (and suicidal) to be scum

(same goes 4 vecna)

[Heartless]

Does your Dunnstral case extend further than the defence of TB, and does it make more sense with scum!Vecna or town!Vecna?

not rly in a substantial way

i also haven't seen any posts from dunn that've left me with a resonating "yeah... that's town feeling". and last time i checked w tth she didn't have a town read on him either.

it makes a lot more sense w vecna being town, as does his general gameplay

[Heartless]

Last question; are you both of you right now, or just one?

i've (antihero) been the one making all the posting this afternoon if that's what ur asking...?

[Heartless]

besides being each others cws i don't really know if i agree here? like i've seen dunn give similar vapid defenses before at least as town so if he wanted to defend a scumbuddy it wouldn't surprise me if he skirted around it like he is here

plz don't misconstrue what i'm trying to say here. i'm not saying vecna is town simply based on the existance of a scum counterwagon or vice-versa, bc reads like that are awful and notoriously dicey. (going back to street fighter... one of my scumbuddies coasted on "being the cw to scum." it's not a good thing to guide reads.)

i'm talking about the WHOLE interaction and what the scum wker would know.

[Heartless]

we are currently voting dunn

(i don't think we've voted vecna's slot since i voted thinkbig way back iirc)

[Heartless]

why is vecna the larger wagon then if thats true

because he's alienated a big swath of the player list

[Heartless]

ok unless reading a 3-way iso is the wrong way to approach reading into tb/vecna/dunn interactions i'm not sure why it can't be svs?

i mean... i guess it's not IMPOSSIBLE for it to be scum-scum but if you grant that dunn is scum i don't think s-s makes much sense in most situations.

i would have to think if u were going to play the UNLYNCHABLE ROLE angle on a scumbuddy, you'd bring it up a lot more than once and with much more enthusiasm.

...or... dunn is town and this whole thought experiment is fucked to begin with...

[Heartless]

like if your scum partner has a towncred-grabby role, isnt the best way to defend scummy actions from them to completely ignore what theyve actually done that's scummy and... well let them get towncred from their role?

seems like the path of least resistance to me

no, that would be ridiculous

there is nothing that makes vecna's claimed role inherently town and that would be REALLY hard to sell

it's not something unreasonably crippling for scum (like hated which is mostly used as town but even THAT'S not inherently town)

or unreasonably powerful for scum (like a vig)

or a conftown something like friendly neighbor

it's a bum angle. and i don't think dunn talked about it like he thought anyone would buy into the logic.

[Heartless]

i GUESS it's plausible dunn meant to say we should force thinkbig to give the nightchat / optimal play angle but he never mentioned that so blah

[Heartless]

AND if that was rly his thought he would've shaken people for making what he would've thought to be suboptimal play

yeah... nah... nvr mind that's not an excuse

[Heartless]

or unreasonably powerful for scum (like a vig)

I mean in a recently finished game scum got a 1-shot vig.

Brb I'm checking that scumteam out.

~TD

there are exceptions. i'm gonna guess town was really strong here to compensate for the extra kill

or it was a really lopsidedly scumsided setup (which... depressingly enough... would not surprise me)

i'm not rly saying these things as absolutes, i'm saying i think most mafia players on this site wouldn't judge thinkbig's claimed role as automatically town

[Heartless]

Titus is scum by the way, and I'd like you to address that.

that's ... uh... nice, i guess?

[Heartless]

in other news, randommidget has sunk to tth's scumreads and i think i agree w her

[Heartless]

i could maybe see you not remembering street fighters

but to still scumread me after it's pointed out and handwave it off w the I DONT KNOWZ WHO U RRRRRR is bullshit to the nth degree. not many ppl use all undercase and frequent txtspeak like i do and tth is no exception. that aside, you're not even TRYING to parse who's posting what when it's far from a herculean effort

[Heartless]

too drunk to function. not gonna risk a vc. will handle this tmrw morning

RC you give me sads ;~;

whatever

i don't think dunn has any intention to claim anyway

[Heartless]

why do you strongly tr heartless

His opening pushes on tb, his strategy plan with hoods, his interactions with me, anti being sominant head

plz vote dunn

[Heartless]

ALSO
if u and aelita don't passive

it's a scumclaim

[Heartless]

hi anti
how r u?

drunk

and i have to give a talk tomorrow

how bad am i?

[Heartless]

why do you strongly tr heartless

His opening pushes on tb, his strategy plan with hoods, his interactions with me, anti being sominant head

plz vote dunn

Y no vecna, i am behind like 30 pages

bc tth and i say so

[Heartless]

TBH I should really change my avi to an Ali avi to complete the sibling transformation

When us siblings unite, scum get gun'd down 1 by 1.

u 2 r still just posers

[Heartless]

tth can read that and tell me if there's anything town in it

goooooodnight

[Heartless]

i see a LOT of meta though which is lol

[Heartless]

Super ingenuine posting. Like, this just isn't how Titus talks

OH NOES u caught me ghost writing titus' posts

[Heartless]

frogger is tots making this game unplayable

we should lynch him so the game can be fun again cmyegigivefjorddidIfuejdinduhcnijevenhjdjIdjDEj

[Heartless]

then we can lynch gork for the same reason

[Heartless]

then we can lynch gork for the same reason

i hope this was a joke.
why is this sequence of posts your only response to dunnstral's wall-spree if your last post before it was "JUST LYNCH DUNNSTRAL YA FUCKERS"?
like.
are you not scumreading them as hard now?
why arent you trying to parse things in it?
instead of adding to the shitpost pile while also complaining about the shitposts?

ofc it was a joke...

they were drunkposts i made as i was laying in bed about to pass out ._.

i also don't think i've ever srsly complained about shitposts...?

jeez...

[Heartless]

ok

...oh wait i need to be more enthusiastic... AYEAYE CAPTAIN

[Heartless]

Titus is scum by the way, and I'd like you to address that.

that's ... uh... nice, i guess?

Calling you out again

I made a post, you brushed it off

...huh...?

what am i supposed to be doing?

idgi

[Heartless]

and if we're going to get into a douchebaggish arms race over UR NOT ANSWERING ME, i'll happily spam my point about street fighters until YOU stop brushing THAT off

[Heartless]

heartless seems to be engaing in pointless 1v1s rather than generating useful content

i have no idea

how i'm accountable for any of those

also i've mentioned reads outside of 1 v 1 s so... no?

[Heartless]

heartless seems to be engaing in pointless 1v1s rather than generating useful content

i have no idea

how i'm accountable for any of those

also i've mentioned reads outside of 1 v 1 s so... no?

Can we just lynch Vecna now and go to night? I'd like Aelita to see town you, which is harder for her to do in the spam that Vecna makes.

i rly don't have any inclination to dissuade ppl from voting vecna. but i do think he's more likely town.

where are u / were u on dunn? i kind of lost track

[Heartless]

huh ... where did i do that...? even once?

[Heartless]

i think gork and eddie were on you to case titus...

i didn't even bring it up

[Heartless]

i think gork and eddie were on you to case titus...

i didn't even bring it up

just looked at my iso again to make sure i'm not crazy AND I'M NOT. not once did i say anything about dunn's titus push or criticize him for not giving a case.

what is with this fucking game?

[Heartless]

Still, I'd bet my bottom dollar that Vecna is scum.

/sigh

seriously now?

you know... the sad part of this game is that titus actually COULD be scum. but i'd tolerate her and her moonlogic over the other shit that's been going on.

[Heartless]

if ur claiming what i think, i don't think ur understanding how confirmation works titus

[Heartless]

assuming double active, we'll be effectively confirmed tomorrow regardless

[Heartless]

ok well then i guess ur not softing weak...

do whatever

[Heartless]

Do you see any problem with Dunn tracking me?

is this to me...?

[Heartless]

i'm amiable to this wagon

[Heartless]

VOTE: Gorkington kill me please

well shit gork i said this a while ago and u laid into me

[Heartless]

ok so tth is busy so i took a gander at dunn's titus case and... it's not very good

[Heartless]

well shit gork i said this a while ago and u laid into me

sorry.
i didnt hear you over me actually having done shit in this game recently.

i deserved that

[Heartless]

ok so tth is busy so i took a gander at dunn's titus case and... it's not very good

It's not. But he claimed tracker/watcher. I'm loyal as passive bond. So he's tracking me or watching you.

yeah... you pushing this as something substantive is kinda making me think youre scum

[Heartless]

this is a pain in the ass to do on a phone pbpbpbpbpvbpbtbtbbtbtbtbt

maybe the STRONGEST point dunn had was when titus gushed about vecna coming in and then not reading his posts.

the one fussing about slayers gambit is meh. yeah, slayers gambit is bad but why is it scummy? the one fussing about "talking about reads ..." or something is whatever too

so overall... meh

[Heartless]

?? You're thinking the ability to clear you or confirm you as scum is somehow scummy?

ur misstating confirmation pretty badly.

even assuming you and dunn are both town, this still doesn't CLEAR us, it clears us TO YOU if you're town.

there's a p big difference

[Heartless]

ok so tth is busy so i took a gander at dunn's titus case and... it's not very good

It's not. But he claimed tracker/watcher. I'm loyal as passive bond. So he's tracking me or watching you.

im confused how can u have a loyal action in a passive bond.

i though being passive by definition meant no action

[Heartless]

The active member of a bond will have their abilities enhanced in return for the passive member losing their actions.

yeah so wait how the fuck does your role work here titus?

[Heartless]

even assuming you and dunn are both town, this still doesn't CLEAR us, it clears us TO YOU if you're town.

there's a p big difference

What is the difference?

You won't get lynched if you're cleared to us

we're not getting lynched w or wo u, buddy

[Heartless]

Nope.

I have a supporting action. That's why I wanted to be passive.

i have no idea what that means

[Heartless]

Explain what the difference there is

i'm saying that INDEPENDENT of anything you or titus do, we're not getting lynched

r u wanting a full claim bc no not doing that rn

[Heartless]

Explain what the difference there is

i'm saying that INDEPENDENT of anything you or titus do, we're not getting lynched

r u wanting a full claim bc no not doing that rn

Explain the difference between being cleared to me and Titus and being cleared to everyone (innocent child)

u and titus. are not the entire playerlist.

it's that simple.

[Heartless]

what the fuck is dunn hammering on?

[Heartless]

No - why does it matter?

You indicated that it would

i don't even understand the nature of this question.

[Heartless]

are u asking why it matters for titus' alignment?

bc i feel like she's overstating what she's actually doing w the role stuff

[Heartless]

Why does it matter that me and Titus are the only players who would know you were town if every part of our plan works out?

matter
to
what?

[Heartless]

i'm p sure this is gonna be my retirement game

[Heartless]

ok so tth is busy so i took a gander at dunn's titus case and... it's not very good

It's not. But he claimed tracker/watcher. I'm loyal as passive bond. So he's tracking me or watching you.

yeah... you pushing this as something substantive is kinda making me think youre scum

ohkay... so i grew some self awareness and i get why u might think having dunn around is a big deal.

spoiler alert: it won't be

[Heartless]

Why does it matter that me and Titus are the only players who would know you were town if every part of our plan works out?

matter
to
what?

ok so i think i finally get the question and the answer is: it matters because in this case it's important to get the EXACT outcome of "the plan" right

my point is that it's awfully convenient that the "plan" requires keeping u alive and i think titus, as scum, would have motive to oversell the benefit of the "plan"

[Heartless]

Ok, so we're still good for bonding, and we can go to night?

y

[Heartless]

If you want out/don't want to play with me, I can bond elsewhere. I just really wanted to support you, because I have had you as lock town. The scared feeling from being targeted by someone loyal is kinda :/

it's not the loyal

it's acting like dunn is a vital axle in this

i've thought about it and i now understand why YOU think so.

but i happen to know he's not going to be

[Heartless]

i'm p sure this is gonna be my retirement game

what can i do to make the game less awful for you?

it's not u

it's me

[Heartless]

Why does it matter that me and Titus are the only players who would know you were town if every part of our plan works out?

matter
to
what?

ok so i think i finally get the question and the answer is: it matters because in this case it's important to get the EXACT outcome of "the plan" right

my point is that it's awfully convenient that the "plan" requires keeping u alive and i think titus, as scum, would have motive to oversell the benefit of the "plan"

So, do you have any questions about the outcome or not?

Or are you just shading?

If you're genuinely confused, I'll help you get it until the cows come home. If you're just not wanting to be copped, I'll bond with Aelita. They'd love to be near mod confirmed town.

4150 is where i'm at

I'M NOT CONFUSED I'M JUST SLOW

I SAY DUMB SHIT AND I DON'T THINK THINGS THROUGH

[Heartless]

If you want out/don't want to play with me, I can bond elsewhere. I just really wanted to support you, because I have had you as lock town. The scared feeling from being targeted by someone loyal is kinda :/

it's not the loyal

it's acting like dunn is a vital axle in this

i've thought about it and i now understand why YOU think so.

but i happen to know he's not going to be

External verification I targeted you. A loyal action alone may or may not verify my successful action.

that's what dawned on me

[Heartless]

wasnt trying to take ownership of you having a bad time.
just offering me trying to make the game less frustrating for you if theres a way that i can do so.

i wasn't implying u should have ownership but i see how it comes off that way...

nah, just be yourself. i'll find a way to get my head out of my ass.

[Heartless]

Oh Titus I get it now.

Ok, so we're good.

Sorry this took so long. I kinda assumed everyone understood.

So Heartless, are we still cool with bonding tonight?

yes

[Heartless]

ok i see the vc

jj is my top priority to look at tomorrow

u can count on me gork.

[Heartless]

i gave jj's iso a once -over and i don't think i want him lynched

shiqf should claim in his next post

[Heartless]

avoid lynching conftown role

[Heartless]

I'm like 80% sure this is gonna be a mislynch though

eh

i'm more at 55-45 for him being scum. it kinda looks like a case of scum paralysis to me

[Heartless]

I could swear there was another person that claimed that

p sure it was random (dont quote me on that)

[Heartless]

No role is going to be confirmed Town role?????
That's not how role madness generally works????

friendly neighbor is a thing

i feeeeeed on your sass

[Heartless]

btw i can't be bonded.

it was random