Mini 1895: Shaziro Mafia - GAME OVER

[TwoFace]

Don't worry. Nobody is town reading you for replacing out.

[TwoFace]

Who said that?

[TwoFace]

Interesting. What does your role pm say about that?

[TwoFace]

pretty much ya. FYI for those who don't know, regardless of if mod let's scum perform actions and kills at the same time, fruit vendors are not allowed to perform a kill the same night they give a fruit. plus, they'll need to give a fruit every night to prove they aren't performing kills.

mod hypothetical question. If there was a mafia fruit vendor would he be able to give fruit and kill at the same time?

[TwoFace]

Why would you ignore it? He caught you in a lie

[TwoFace]

Do you know what the definition of a lie is?

[TwoFace]

Well technically I guess it wasn't because of the way you worded it but you did basically imply you never claimed to be confirmed town which wasn't a truthful statement

[TwoFace]

That being said if that's the only contribution from One. I'm fine lynching him. But Titus needs to post cause I honestly feel like horror lurked in the shadows the entire game.

VOTE: Titus

[TwoFace]

It actually does.

[TwoFace]

Damn new page. Was responding to One

[TwoFace]

Scum can kill me - it's bad town play to lynch me if what Eddie says is true

scum can just leave me alive as a town that won't be lynched

What don't you get

Pretty sure what Eddie said is false. Mod rules overrule any other rule but that's why I asked.

[TwoFace]

It would be unwise for scum to avoid NKing me, unless they think they can get me lynched.

You're probably going to get lynched unless you miraculously do something that changes people's opinions. You've played horrible

[TwoFace]

You are either scum or have a shitty six sense. Next to iaws I'm the most obv townie in the game and the only one puttin the effort.

[TwoFace]

Sure it would. Nobody with a brain could think I'm scum.

[TwoFace]

Interesting reaction.

What's interesting about it? You and you're predecessor has played like scum and you're sitting there acting like you deserved to be nk'd. It's fucking hilarious cause scum would never nk you if you are town.

[TwoFace]

What makes you obv townie? Is effort alignment indicative?

If you have to ask that you have just confirmed you are scum or aren't paying attention.

[TwoFace]

Scum either let the town destroy itself, or scum control town and push people in the direction they want them too.

If you are scum, then your effort puts you into the second category.

But I'm not scum so your attempt to throw shade on me is suspicious especially since regardless of your alignment you are guilty of the first one.

Like when I saw you post I honestly thought you had been replaced.

[TwoFace]

like seriously kop/horror/one/wheme have basically contributed nothing of value to this game. If there is 2 scum in this list, that means there are 2 townies who imo aren't playing towards their win condition. If there is less than 2 scum in that list, that's even worse.

Whoever is town, please avoid me going forward. I want to play with people who actually take this game seriously and want to win. Right now whoever is town in that list doesn't care about winning. That's a 100% fact based on effort and contributions

[TwoFace]

I seriously doubt you have read this thread once let alone more than once. because if you did that and are town you would have had more to add to this game than 1762 and 1781 or really all of your posts.

They are all mostly void of content. They don't contain any genuine scum hunting, any real solid reads with explanations supporting those reads.

[TwoFace]

Would scum not attempt to emulate town play?

to a point yes but it's very rare that you find a player who as scum can be the most active scum hunter and actually be convincing enough to dupe town. Scum have trouble scum hunting because they have to make up reasons to cast shade on people.

i have no clue what you are talking about after the next quote but until I see something of value from you, i'm just going to continue thinking you are scum.

[TwoFace]

why are you wasting time with dumb questions? It's been a while since I have been scum so I honestly don't know what i'd do. Each game is different, you have to adapt to survive. I'd probably try to blend in more.

you are currently voting implosion. if you think he is scum, provide evidence and attempt to get people to see what you are thinking. If you don't think he is scum unvote him and vote who you do think is scum and provide reasons for that.

you claim to have read the game more than once yet the only person you provided reasons for was fitz and that was basically somebody who was under suspicion already.

[TwoFace]

@mod can you please prod or poke titus. Since this game has been open he has made well over 100 posts on this site and has yet to post a single thing here.

[TwoFace]

Ahh I missed the unvote my apologies

I don't need to provide reasons why I'm town that's not how the game works.

Your way sucks and if you are town it's going to get you lynched and rightfully so because from where I sit you look like scum. You're stupid soft claim isn't scaring me and you could full claim and I wouldn't believe you either.

[TwoFace]

Now who do you think is scum and why.

[TwoFace]

Titus probably town, I thought horror was.

K guys let's wait for replacements, confident that Titus is a scum slot though

explain please

[TwoFace]

VOTE: one

No way you've read this game more than once and everyone is null.

[TwoFace]

And I'm never going to drop the whole obv town thing cause I feel I am the most obv town. The only reason why iaws is higher than me is he got a good investigation. Other than that he'd be way down the list.

[TwoFace]

continuing this conversation isn't productive. If you were town you would be better off trying to find scum, clearly you have no interest in doing that which just reaffirms my vote in in the right spot

[TwoFace]

I'm not going to make up a case on someone when I don't have one just because you think I should.

again thanks for confirming you are scum.

only scum have to "make up cases". If you were town who read this game more than once, you would already have found reasons to find people suspicious and the reasons would be genuine. you just admitted you can't do that.


This was an easy day

[TwoFace]

so you confirm you are scum. good to know

[TwoFace]

btw i never asked you to fabricate anything. I asked you to do a very simple thing. Something that any townie should be able to do on day 4.

[TwoFace]

You asked me who I think is scum and why, and I answered

your answer was not an acceptable answer to me. Your answer just reaffirmed what I was already saying. You aren't scum hunting and you show no interest in doing it. Those aren't traits from town. Those are traits from scum.

[TwoFace]

my vote isn't changing so go peddle your nonsense to somebody else

[TwoFace]

I am also a man of my word. I said that today I was going to make sure you got lynched and that is what I plan to do. Tomorrow we lynch titus

[TwoFace]

my name is twoface please don't make that mistake again and I will be trying to lynch you.

[TwoFace]

as i said in 1821, your 1785 doesn't scare me.

[TwoFace]

Because town doesn't believe a claim or a soft claim at face value. They look at body of work and nothing in your body of work makes me think you are a town pr. It doesn't even make me think you are town. Like i gave you an opportunity to convince me and you doubled down on acting like scum.

[TwoFace]

like I could easily find 50 games on this site where a town pr claimed their role and was still lynched because people didn't believe them so why do you think you are any fucking different?

now you may be able to scare off others and even somehow convince them you are telling the truth but you have no credibility with me anymore. When I give you a chance to convince me you are town and you double down and continue to act like scum, you lost me forever.

[TwoFace]

how have you acted like scum

1. I don't think you have really scum hunted the entire game
2. wasting time talking about useless things and asking pointless questions that don't help progress the game
3. not being able to provide a list of scum reads and reasons for those and when you explain why you can't you say it's because you don't want to fabricate anything.
4. scaring people into backing off of you by some vague hint that you could possibly be a pr instead of doing what you should be doing if you were town
5. faslely accusing me of things that aren't true

[TwoFace]

i'm not even going to waste my time responding to that. You can disagree with my list all you want, it isn't going to change my mind about you.

[TwoFace]

Oh we started... sorry

[TwoFace]

you didn't even disprove any of my arguments, in fact you uactually proved # 1 with your response to #2 so why would i need to provide anything else?

you are caught scum. titus is next

this game is easy peasy

[TwoFace]

That is what I thought. Thank you

Now why would eddie say something like that?

[TwoFace]

I guess

[TwoFace]

Hi. I think town should sheep you.

btw this is bullshit and I seriously don't any town player would encourage bad play like this.

just cause iaws is essentially cleared town, doesn't mean that his reads are 100%


Everyone should be scum hunting

[TwoFace]

What do you think of iaws's reads?

He'd have to give some updated ones first. I don't know who he's scum reading ATM.

[TwoFace]

You are either scum or have a shitty six sense. Next to iaws I'm the most obv townie in the game and the only one puttin the effort.

Dumb post is dumb. You're not obv town and I completely agree with kop's post.

Well then you also have a shitty six sense.

[TwoFace]

I disagree

[TwoFace]

Why would him being at l-1 affect your catch-up?

[TwoFace]

You could also unvote since your predecessor was voting one

[TwoFace]

Nobody would cry if one got hammered.

[TwoFace]

because he's scum

[TwoFace]

The n1 and n2 kill targets weren't threats to anyone and scum read that slot.
All the active players scum read him

[TwoFace]

He's rather talk about why I think I'm obv town and wants me to provide examples of that instead of trying to find scum.
When asked for scum reads he said he didn't have any.

Literally nothing coming from him resembles town.

[TwoFace]

Doing nothing as usual

[TwoFace]

I have a theory but need a one flip first.

[TwoFace]

I've had that nagging feeling imp could be scum but one needs rope first

[TwoFace]

VOTE: Twoface

Don't care if he posts something sarcasm back, that's where I'm happy with my vote being right now.

No sarcasm but just saying what you should be doing anyway.

With many people calling me town you're going to have to 1. Provide reasons for why I'm scum. 2. Convince others to vote me.

Something you haven't really done all game since you've been lurking a lot.

[TwoFace]

Scum either let the town destroy itself,

Hey kop

if you are town, why would you mirror scum play?

[TwoFace]

@math

Thoughts on horror/Titus slot

[TwoFace]

mathblade i feel like every post you've quoted from me has several possible interpretations and in each case you've listed the worst possible interpretation.

this response feels weird. It may be because I don't know how something could have several possible interpretations.

[TwoFace]

Happy birthday mod

[TwoFace]

Oh my bad. Happy scum day

[TwoFace]

mathblade i feel like every post you've quoted from me has several possible interpretations and in each case you've listed the worst possible interpretation.

this response feels weird. It may be because I don't know how something could have several possible interpretations.

Now i know why you drive me up a wall.

If you serve on a jury, please listen to the instructions.

I've served on a jury actually. That is actually easier than a game of mafia. I don't understand how any statement could be interpreted 7 different ways.

In this game I would think 2 different ways. a townie way or a non townie way

[TwoFace]

lol

p.edit - I'll let titus answer your question first but I think I can answer that question about horror

[TwoFace]

The only thing I could find of his "confidence" was that CoolDog was a PL and that he didn't want to do CoolDog today. Neither of which state a townread.

he also complained about the lynch but never attempted to push one himself. He apologized day 2 and acted like he was going to participate more but he never did.

of course he blamed me for it all, like I have jedi mind control over everyone...

[TwoFace]

reading han's iso plus the stuff from drk I really think hans/conman aka one/kop is our scum team

[TwoFace]

reading han's iso plus the stuff from drk I really think hans/conman aka one/kop is our scum team

I scumread one/Kop too but that Horror claim yo:/

One of them has got to be wrong with that Horror scum claim.

what scum claim?

[TwoFace]

Hey, how about a wall catch up? Ty.

yeah good idea, when are you going to start doing one?

don't give me this " I don't read" bullshit. read or replace out

[TwoFace]

yeah I think you are misreading this. 758 says if I am wrong about CD. 775 is still operating under that same assumption

[TwoFace]

Mod i would like to request a force replacement of Titus for refusal to play the game

[TwoFace]

no replacing into a game and not bothering to read the game is toxic as fuck

3 options

1. he starts reading
2. he replaces out
3. I replace out

[TwoFace]

if you don't read the game, you don't know what is going on and thus can't play properly. so no she is not playing the game

p.edit - no you haven't, no you aren't

[TwoFace]

VOTE: titus

p.edit because I really think you are misreading that statement. I have done things like that before and people have accused me of scum slipping. I really believe you are wrong with regards to that one point, but let's lynch titus

[TwoFace]

Sheep iaws is relevant.

no I already explained why this is wrong.

gtfo of this game or get lynched

and if you turn out to be town please don't replace into a game I am in because from my pov you are playing against extremely anti-town

[TwoFace]

so mafia RB'd and killed the cop? lol see that is why you need to read the game, because no way mafia does that

we are lynching you now.

[TwoFace]

ok you are right math. that was a scum slip by horror. let's lynch titus

[TwoFace]

cause you are scum trying to out the person who prevented the NK?

p.edit great minds think alike lol

[TwoFace]

guys, let's lych titus while she is at work. otherwise I am going to replace out and nobody really wants that

[TwoFace]

Replacing into a game and refusing to read and blindly sheep the outed PR is scummy and extremely anti town. She's admitting she's refusing to play the game. If the mod isn't going to replace her then town should lynch her. I personally can't play with such a player.
So what are my options? I don't care if it comes off as immature.

I guess you can lynch me instead but I'm not playing another actual day (not day phase) with this person.

[TwoFace]

I really don't care what you think imp. If tomorrow morning Titus isn't lynched I'm gone and won't give a shit about this game anymore. There's 4 players who are currently not playing this game. It's impossible that all 4 are scum so that means there is a minimum of 2 townies who aren't playing towards their win condition (from my pov).

I can't keep playing a game with townies who A. Think this is acceptable to do and B. Who enable these people to play like this.

Titus/kop/one/wheme post game whoever is town in this group can stay the buck away from me in the future.

[TwoFace]

No. Nobody should coast. Ever. If you like to coast take up sailing

[TwoFace]

If you are town replace out

[TwoFace]

If I replace out somebody is going to come in and flush my toencred down the toilet.

[TwoFace]

Ok well I won't replace out but my vote stays on Titus until she's lynched.

Logging out and will be back monday

[TwoFace]

Titus regardless of your alignment stay the fuck away from me going forward. If you replace into a game I'm in I'll consider it stalking/harassment

[TwoFace]

The only person I know to be town is myself and iaws and I'm only 99% sure about iaws.

[TwoFace]

Twoface have you ever stopped, looked in the mirror, considered the fact that you have decided to blacklist almost everyone in this game and thought to yourself "hm, maybe my attitude is part of the problem, maybe not the whole problem, but part of it"

You should try it, it's quite the cathartic experience.

Look I'm very simple. All players, but especially the town players have an obligation to the game mod and site creators to be active and play the game. Playing the game includes posting as often as you can and to make a good amount of these posts somewhat game relevant. These posts should be doing something to progress the game. Asking questions, having game related conversations, trying to determine motive, looking at interactions, etc.

If a player doesn't do that they are scummy. Town should not have issues doing this. Scum I can see having issues, especially inexperienced scum.

A replacement has to respect the game enough that if they agree to replace, they agree to read the game and attempt to figure things out. Blindly sheeping another player isn't acceptable cause that other player isn't guaranteed to have accurate reads so by sheeping them you aren't living up to the obligation of the game.

So if other players don't play like this, that isn't an issue with me. This is an issue with the people who have allowed the bar to be lowered. Back in the day that's not how townies acted. Somewhere along the line townies started dumbing down their town play so they could get away with the same stuff as scum.

I'm old school and I play with the old school mentality. If you aren't doing what I perceive as town things, you are scum. If you actually aren't scum you should be ashamed of yourself and strive to do better so you don't let your teammates down in the future.

It's really that simple for me. Hate me or love me but that's me.

[TwoFace]

Last I checked I'm not voting known town. Im voting a slot who I've basically scum read since day 1

The only way you could convince me you were town would to read all 82 pages. Give me your top 2/3 scum reads and make a case for one or all of them.

If you can't do that, you are scum

[TwoFace]

Look I'm very simple.

All players

, but especially the town players

[TwoFace]

Bullshit. You know I am town otherwise this would not be a thing.

Sure it would. I expect all players regardless of alignment to play this way. I don't know your alignment but I don't want to risk a possible mislynch because you decided to phone it in. Math said you do this as both alignments so there is a possibility you are town here. Granted your predecessor was a scum read though so I'm pretty sure at this point you will flip scum. I really don't believe you as town would intentionally play this bad.

[TwoFace]

Meta sucks. If you play like scum in this game(which you are) I'll scum read you.

If you play like this as town, you just reaffirm my original request. Stay away from me or I'll report you for harassment. I want to avoid toxicity

[TwoFace]

I'm done here. Take your game throwing accusations and shove em cause I am definitely not game throwing. If you are town though you definitely are

[TwoFace]

Scum aren't going to RB the person they NKd. They just aren't.

Fake claim is fake and obvious as fuck.

[TwoFace]

Scum aren't going to RB the person they NKd. They just aren't.

Fake claim is fake and obvious as fuck.

Shove off. You're getting your way.

They did and that's why I know the only thing to do is sheep him.

Even if your claim were legit, in no way in any univers would the proper play be to blindly sheep him.

You treat him as an ally and bounce ideas off him, but you scum hunt yourself. His reads aren't automatically correct just cause he is cop.

[TwoFace]

My vote ain't moving.

No shit because you'd argue with 10000000 people, scientific proof and common sense. You should not play this game. You and TwoFace belong in mafia jail.

If you are town you belong on epic mafia and banned from this site forever

[TwoFace]

I have no doubt she is mad about our play.

She has no right to be mad at anyone's play.

[TwoFace]

You requested replacement. Please refrain from posting

[TwoFace]

Math is probably wrong about horror's comment being a scum slip but horror's play plus Titus's play can only add up to scum. Literally nothing town from either of them.

[TwoFace]

I don't want her to stay

[TwoFace]

Ugh. You're all idiots. What happened to lynching One?

Titus essentially scum claimed

[TwoFace]

Is not reading the game antitown? Yes! Does antitown = mafia? No

Except I don't see why town would refuse to read. So sorry I disagree with you. If town does this, they should stop. Titus was given the opportunity to prove she was town by reading and refused. Refusal is essentially a scum claim to me.

Apparently town is fucked cause wheme/kop/one/Titus are all playing like scum. I can't trust anything they say.

[TwoFace]

My town play is awesome. I'm always town read and never get lynched.

[TwoFace]

No please don't stay. Go far away from here.

[TwoFace]

I don't remember a list of scum you gave...

[TwoFace]

I don't remember a list of scum you gave...

One/wheme/kop

So which of these 2 are most likely and why are they scum?

Your list is invalid without reasons

[TwoFace]

Titus claimed doc though. Are you saying mafia No Killed just to have Titus claim doc on me? Doubt it. The only other scenario is that One or Kop comes back and counterclaims. Otherwise, how else am I alive without a doctor?

Somebody else is a doctor and or scum NKd looking for a doc claim

[TwoFace]

PoE.

So doubling down on the scum claim. Good to know.

[TwoFace]

Fuck it never mind. I want iaws to stay on this site.

Revoke sub out.

mod please replace me

[TwoFace]

It's my anniversary tomorrow and having a family trip and I won't be able to stay away from this game. I also have no interest in continuing with Titus.

[TwoFace]

I responded to the only part I cared about. I play this game to have fun. I can't have fun if Titus is in the game. If that makes me immature so be it. She's a [redacted] regardless of her alignment and if I say what I'm thinking I'll be site banned so I won't say it.

[TwoFace]

Please don't talk to me. Please don't wish me anything.

[TwoFace]

Wooo I won without doing jack

You're welcome

[TwoFace]

It was nice having you as an honorary member of the scum team, TwoFace. It's a shame you had to replace out so soon though. We really couldn't get by without the extra member.

FU

[TwoFace]

I realized I didn't play great but I honestly have no clue wtf fitz was doing

[TwoFace]

Had nothing to do with not reading you. Had everything to do with you playing mind blowing terrible.

Let's forget you hard townread 1 scum for absolutely no reason, but you scum read somebody for doing exactly what you did.

You voted somebody and were pushing a lynch on somebody on day 3 for a single post they made early day 1.

I was wrong cause you played bad
You were wrong cause you literally didn't take this game seriously and didn't even try.