Spring Fever (Endgame)

[Bellaphant]

Ohhh i need to read my role pm when i am more awake. From what i can work out, i need a good long bonding session.

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I am not bonded with frog

I like reading dun, thisll be fun.

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Ohhjh okay, that makes me feel better <3 why are you awake babes?

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Oh, can we switch who is active? Or are we just making bdsm jokes?

P-edit, that's the way it'd be baby, natch.
Pp-edit yeaaah. Night.

[Bellaphant]

Only if you ask nicely <3

@fb, what's up ?

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VOTE: eddie

awkward posting.

am happy to hide in the neighbourhood. everyone knows i hate larges, why am i here?

oh yeah, rc asked me and the playerlist is dank.

[Bellaphant]

@ali, his posting is mostly shit posting but it's the wrong feel of shit posting. with fire and titus in the game i think i'm allowed soul reads.

he's pushing dunn for odd reasons and isnt even consistent with it, his post about his bond feels fake. their shit with trands feels buddying too.

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only most likely?

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It's fake. the over use of smilies, especially the death one, the forced casuallness of it. its also super contentless. there's a lot of reading t get through ntil you get some occasional actual thought processes, like in 273.

@frog, you called me babe so i'll take it.

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i should know that wen you make me sad you are scum and just death tunnel you. it's your scum tell.

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Random has made 0 impact on me, i should go iso them.

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5 posts.

What's scummy?

@titus, i wanna bond with frog. we can't have two bonds

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...I also kinda want to vote dunn.

Trans, where is your head at baby?

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UNVOTE:

You posted 20 pages when i was asleep. Honestly I'm not seeing the think big scum - and even if he is, he could be scum to be sorted later/ after a replacement/when everyone calms the fuck down.

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VOTE: titusVOTE:

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How did i fuck up voting?

VOTE: titus

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You've made 85 posts and had zero impact on the game? I can't see where your head is at at all.

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Titus who is scum

Jj fire bella tb

If wrong there dunn but unlikely

"what"

yeah, what?

Weirdly, dunn is in my 'could well be scum' pile too, but...what?

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heeeey titus, what don't you like about my posting? bc people who can actually read me think i'm town af

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...jj, are you saying scum! titus wouldn't be this bad?

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low hanging fruit.

trans is sniping at you.

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I'd ask you why?

because i've been fairly straightforward.

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1448 was kinda scummy to me because it kinda looks like you were trying to get jj back on the titus train with that post.

also i kinda agree with titus' point on you hat you didn't really give your 2c on thinkbig and then just voted the counterwagon without much to say.

iono maybe i just need sleep

no, it was part of a thought process i was having - what does scum!titus get from acting this weirdly - scum reading me when i'm townread, etc. your answer started to be helpful, but then switched to 'well maybe she is this bad'. I did want clarification.

I did talk about think big - i wasn't making much sense of it and i'm not sorting him today. I'm not sure why that's an issue? the wagons are shifting every three hours or so, i genuinely can't see why it's an issue?

sleep. i'm town <3

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UNVOTE:

@gork, ali, trans - I'll go back and iso him after i've hung out with buddies tonight, but this morning, ironically, it all looked like noise.

Titus, the problem with slayers gambit is there's not always an easy way to tell 'jumped on me bc i was bad and they were scum' and 'jumped on me bc i was bad'.

Then again i haven't played with you much. I played with you while you were under an alt, i think, and got you mislynched.

@frog, you can be active tonight at least lemme read tb back when i'm not half asleep before you rush to judgement.

p-edit, no love me. i promise

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@jj, eddie's responses to pressure were super towny and i also think their other head did some posting over night, which helped.

fine, im re-reading his iso now - i should be putting make up on.

The most important think I can see, other than ali's tone read, with TB, is frog's point about 'how did you town read me' which didn't follow through. I'm finding this iso difficult because all of the random ate, when at first it was so toneless.

oh god, the shit posting is forced, isn't it?

none of this makes sense, which is what I thought this morning. I guess, mr Frog, this is my issue - his iso is a mess.

p-edit - the frustration doesn't feel real though? a town!tb would push something else, not randomly through out appease-y town reads?

is he shit at the game though? frog's frustration seemed to suggest maybe yes, there was talk of throwing as a PR.

*head asplode*

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....fine, i'm going to put make up on now.

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McMenno, while you're about-

Why do you townread Dunnstral, and when did you first pick up said read?

Dunn, you asked me how I was, and part of me thinks you are scum. I've always seen yo try hard as town before and i'm not getting that vibe - what's up?

Also, I have finished reading page 2, and Alisae is most definately scum.

VOTE: Alisae

I have not done ANYTHING AI in those 2 pages.
This is complete bullshit. Your wording here implies that your scumread is super fucking heavy considering it's been 2 pages.
Can we lynch this?

i also am not impressed by anything this replacement has done.

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....you may not be the player beginging with d that I'm thinking of? Lemme go check that.

Gork, I did it, or as much as I'm going to today. It's a very confused mess, which is a lot of the reason I'm wavering on him. The replacement is't making me any happier.

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Stop negging me gork

Dunn, I don't think I'm thinkin about you at all. Which would explain why you haven't been the way i expected I'm gonna go back and read you

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@menno, random, shiqf, ael -

Come tell me one thing about the game you are certain about, one thing you would like to be clearer on, and one question for me. Most of you are null as fuck, come talk to me <3

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im going to catch up with the game today but once I'm done with that I will talk to you <3

okay <3

@menno, random, shiqf, ael -

Come tell me one thing about the game you are certain about, one thing you would like to be clearer on, and one question for me. Most of you are null as fuck, come talk to me <3

1. Dunnstral is scum
2. Why did lil' un turn traitor?
3. Why is the sky blue?

Yeaaah I'm leaning that way too. I've also remembered the try-hard start with a d payer is duppin!
Who's the lil'un?
Chemicals? Ask Anti

Where we are on ThinkBig (Ali, this is mostly for you).
Antihero started out scumreading him because of the reads ThinkBig entered the game with. Yesterday, he asked me if I've ever played with him before to get meta on him. I told him about MathBlade's game and I alluded to him being lynchbaity. I'm definitely seeing some watermarks from that game like Post 925, bemoaning getting run up, Post 928, insisting he's town when called scum, and the replace out dance. There's also the fact he seems to have attracted a couple defenders, namely Transcend and Dunnstral, when if ThinkBig were scum I would think his team would just bus his scummy ass.
That said, ThinkBig's gameplay is bothersome and difficult to reconcile with him being town. Anti and I brainstormed last night for a while about what could explain the case of the dangling townreads. The best we could come up with was that he hadn't really been paying attention and he just reacted to real time events of the thread. That explanation strains plausibility.
To be sure, it's a troublesome slot but I don't think that read is nearly as cut-and-dry as you're making it out to be.

i like this post, heartless is super town

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I dont actaully know what you doooo?

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VOTE: dunn

I don't see you pushing anything, you ar getting into pointless back and forths with eddie and your scum list is gross.

@vecna, i mayn't have obv!towned to those who don't know me, but why isn't the fact that people who do know me enough? orrr, come ask me questions, I work way better one on one.

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I totally read this game yesterday and about forty posts ago. I'm reading.

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Answering questions as I see the

@FROG: you asked me about dunn's 'gross' scum list? it was ': heartless, eddiebyte, Titus'. Heartless had a very clear towny early game, they are trying to sort and their later interactions (especially the frustration with vecna) feel legimate. Eddie was an early (and easy) first wagon, who's posting had already massively improved by the time of this post. Titus was the only one in this list being scummy at the point, iirc, but we've talked through this slayer's gambit thing and it feels like an 'easy' choice?
They also aren't really backed up by anything.

Also, can someone I can actually talk to bond with me, if frogger is dumping me? Things I hate: larges, day 1s, shit posters. What am I doing here.

I am halfway caught up. I'm glad we're lynching dunn!scum, if my reading is correct.

[Bellaphant]

i# have read up and am going to have a muc better day two.

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Aelita, your read hasn't progressed at all? Can you tal to me bout the rest of your reads?

with all the info in the document, waiting for everyone to check in before we leap to any conclusions.

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Aelita, can you link me to that's readlist and any explanation you've given?

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who's nebby?

Can you explain reads that aren't vecna? even showing me where you formed your titus read would be ace.

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Did the scum flip change any of those reads?

Can you show me where you've been buddied?

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No, I'm trying to apply logic to the statements 'I migh be being buddied' and 'I can't tell you where'.


^ one of the towniest posts titus has made.

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I kinda wanna back away from the role mechanics for a bit.

Agree; we should be looking at the lynch

I am convinced that at least two scum were on that wagon.

With his play that useless (only a bit worse than mine) it's competently inconceivable to me that scum didn't bus the fuck out of the slot.

Do you agree?

if you do.... how on earth are you using 'the lynch' to find scum?

if you don't...why not?

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@dun, Nope, you claimed in the 25 pages between where I read, and where I posted, as i found a thing from frog to reply to. I re-read everything overnight,
anf iirc you were taling about titus?


You can't push me for not being here and not knowing what was going on, and then for vote parking at the same time.

I'd like someone I can talk to bond with me overnight.

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@dun, Nope, you claimed in the 25 pages between where I read, and where I posted, as i found a thing from frog to reply to. I re-read everything overnight,
anf iirc you were taling about titus?


You can't push me for not being here and not knowing what was going on, and then for vote parking at the same time.

I'd like someone I can talk to bond with me overnight.

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@dunn, so you DO agree with me about bussing?

eddie wanting day 1 over was pro fucking town.

@titus, what's a trap? explain it to me like i'm five?

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Traaaans. What did you think needed to happen to bond?

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Because I think I know

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The JJ pushes are generally awful though and him being counter wagon to scum surely suggests town? Also there was an interesting early shifq push that fell apart, that I will be clearer on when not phone posting.

P-edit, this is kind of what I was saying about bussing but got told 'no' by giga and 'no effect you' from Dunn. At least Titus is considering shit.

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....Yeah, that was where my notes about the early shiqf wagon come in. The conversation that came after it/around it is super interesting as well:

P55, trans votes shifq pretty randomly. By 56, so does fire, and so does frog because 'sheeping fire'. heart says shiqf is scum (doesn't vote) but says people won't go for it because it's easy. Jj then pipes up - why aren't we wagoning Eddie any more, Eddie's vote (possibly on shiqf) is bad, what is the case on shifq. ali tries to engage shiqf in a super towny way

Jj mentions going after random and is called out by trans for a lhf read.

Votes fl off shifq super quick - frog votes trans when he says frog is sheeping him on shiqf, then quickly unvotes.

This whole early wagon makes me consider I've been reading trans wrong at the end of the day. If jj flips scum, i can't see eddie ALSO being scum.

But I don't think jj is scum. he consistently tries to move the game forward and has responded well to pressure.

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At least Titus is considering shit.

She's considering jj scum over you so she's doing a good job in your eyes?

...look, i'd love to actually talk to you about shit, but your tunnel on me is boring and lazy. you are resorting to making shit up.

What's the eddie case

They're my buddy

hey, earlier you said vecna should be better than this. so should you.

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you said what?

Honestly, a lynch in you/jj/dunn would sort so much of the game for me. why shouldn't it be you?

@trans - i've actually read everything! is there anything you wanna chat about?

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@dunn, i'm not voting you? like i said, stop making shit up. Making shit up is a pretty good reason for me to vote you though, no?

@eddie, frog is occasionally pushing my 'omg, paranoia' buttons, but you are right about the emotion read. I genuinely believe he's trying to sort the game, but I think his reads are in flux right now? Like, the shiqf wagon stuff was in my notes to talk about, so i can see the thought process coming from town.

' like if we stuck to our guns and stayed on jj yesterday we'd still be pushed on being off the wagon because of shiqf's role' talk to me about this?

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jj, i don't think you strongly townread me, but I'd be good to bond with you?

Dunn I WAS BEHIND. I'm not now. jesus fucking christ are you just trying to make this game literally miserable for me? Lke, that's all your shitty shitty push is achieving.

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Hmm, that's not a bad option. We can definitely talk and I might be able to pick up a read.

Yeah, honestly, i'm in a much better place

I can't talk much about whether i wanna be active or passive 'til night, though?

p-edit, frog is doing things.

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also, jj, rc says we have acess to our bonds tomorrow but we can't still talk in them, so the code plan needs work

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@jj, does ali still want to prod me in the face?

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i can't work out if my reluctance to lynch eddie is because he's the only one of titus/dunn/eddie that actually engages me

@jj, i'll submit?

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I am super into vecna's posting on this page. I normally hate nca so maybe I'm conf!biasing

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Day one bellaphant is lynch bait. Day two Bella isn't, so either Titus and Dunn are gonna get bored soon, or they are gonna start to look worse than they do already.

Honestly though, considering how strong the town is, I'm not surprised if scum are demotivated.

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Aelita - you've spent more words discussing other games than this one.

Either you want to sheep titus because you hav no reads and thoughts of your own about THIS game, in which case, stop shitting up the game, OR, actually engage in this game.

Can we shoot this?


have we had a vc recently?

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[quote="In post 5495, randomidget"][/quote]

I spent most of yesterday thinking dunn was scum. The nightkill actions make much more sense if dunn i scum - why isn't he dead? also, since today he's literally made shit up about me, and when i got defended implied frog was scum, was a completely fabricated read.

Early yesterday, eddie was scum. He towned it up under pressure and did a really good analysis of his wagon. a few things really worry me about him, but he's the only one in my scum!pile that's engaging with me clearly, so it's making me hesitant. I can go int pingy things about eddie more if you want?

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@ dunn, when have you lied about me?

Honestly, a lynch in you/jj/dunn would sort so much of the game for me. why shouldn't it be you?

Why are you voting me? Do you not think my role is important to town with Titus?

Why should it be me? Justify your vote right now

At least Titus is considering shit.

She's considering jj scum over you so she's doing a good job in your eyes?

And Alisae if he wasn't bubbled/day 1

I looked at bella's iso and thought she was voting me because her last vote was 3000 posts ago

Never said anything about you being scum

And then you admit it

Ugh.

Titus, i don' see how your scum!team works together. how are you rationalising that in your head?

Also, what has menno done that isn't coasting?


also, i'm 'mathmatically' scum? hmmm?

I'd love you to lock sort me, titus.

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no titus, come, on. the post to random honestly made it look like you were considering shit.

and now i get 'his iso' and 'poe' and 'desperate' without any follow through. fucking give me something.

also, why am i the one in our relationship that's, you know, actaully making the effort to sort the other? because i've had hangovers more fun than trying to engage with you and aelita.

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bc you're scum read on me is 175 pages old. And you haven't engaged with me properly once.

who's coasting?

wait....so read on me is..what?

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love you frog

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Heartless, j, we're all bonding?

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@frog, i disagree about how bad you are as scum, honestly. You are confident in a different way and there's an efficient coldness to your tone that means the next time you make me sad in a game i'm lynching you - there's a ruthlessness which is different to your more aggressive and occasionally more random feeling pushes as town. But yeah, you don't flail, like i said, ruthless efficiency flailing frog is more likely town!frog, as it ate frog and 'getting angry and spamming/threatening to rage quit/getting weird about people in his face' frog.

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@titus,can 100% verify all that's been said Bout me. What you also cat see is our occasional 'oh god you fucking better be town or I'm going to feel such a fool' posts in the p t , which are way too genuine to fake and also would take a worldclass scum player to eve think about creating in that way.

If we promise not to lynch aelita tomorrow, barring a guilty or whatever, can you night action someone else? This protection arguement feels really , really dumb and at best motivated by ego, not town!feels.

(Also, I call bullshit on you not realising I've had more than. Ten posts today. I've directed more than that explicitly in the direction of you and aelita. Right now I can't work out if you are lazy, bad, or scum. Because your words and actions don't match).

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VOTE: titus

I can't waffle on this any more

Town doesn't approach their scum-reads by not changing them for 200 pages and actively ignoring their attempts to interact.

town doesn't let a fake cop claim pass

town doesn't put their pocketed town read in their apparent ability to clear slot, rather than the slots people are actually worried about (vecna, dunn).

There is scum in titus/vecna/menno/dunn. There is enough town with doubt around these slots to just end today.

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PT things from n1

Early game I thought titus was scum, then I wobbled, and then she started being gross again. her interactions with certain slots, like vecna's and heartless, don't make any sense - i don't think she's game solving, and her frustration doesn't seem genuine. also her scum read of me is stale and dull and never once followed up with a vote or a push.

she's just making noise? she was shit, claimed slayers gambit, then attacked me for thinking she was scummy when she was deliberatly being scummy, never really engaged with me about it, did a bunch of more towny posting, but kept some very boring scum reads (also, nothing about the heartless interaction feels town, it feels antagonistic in places it doesn't need to be, and heartless you want on your side as town). if she was trying to sort my slot she'd've also picked up on when I said i'd mislynched her being shit as scum - the fact she didn't is suspicious.

ike, if i'd said 'whooops, slayers gambit' as town, and someone else went 'what, really, what makes it slayers gambit when you've just been shit before', i'd've engaged them. or cared. as scum, why bother following that up.

BUT

today, what's really damning, is that i've been trying to talk to her, yet she tells frog i have less than 10 posts. i've got more than that with her NAME in them, i'm sure.

she doesn't want to sort me, but, considering she's not actually, you know VOTED ME, she doesn't want me lynched either.

it's not town behaviour.

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I'm so sorry heartless, I was traveling to France and couldn't even get data - I'm currently on top of a hill outside the office de tourismse to post.

I'll be around breifly in the morning, happy to claim and everything.

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@jj yeah, me and frog role claimed.

Can we lynch dun? I need a boooond and probably to be active. X

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I can't see any reason for trans to lie and ...yeah, unless a redirector claims then lynch this.
@heartless, yes please? I'll explain more when we bond.

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@trans, I assume frog shared his n1 action?

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I've submitted, heartless - I can get WiFi Prolly twice a day x

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I'm with anti and tth if no one objects, the whag I submitted. But in drink so who knows.

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@jj, we did role claimed.i asked trans a question as well about night actions....

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Trans is conf town. The only way he isn't is if we do have a redirect.x

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.....eddie, me and dunn have been at each other since day 1.

him with bullshit. me with an actual read. if you are confused about that flip, i don't know what to tell you.

hi alisae. you see something you like?

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and me, to be fair.

i could leave eddie another day though. would rather lynch in random/menno.


also, eddie...occam's razor. he was scum, i knew it from the middle of day 1, he thought he could get me lynched easily - notice how he shut up towards the end of day 2, when he realised that wouldn't happen

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yeah. titus pushed me for similar reasons dunn did, and certainly interacted with me like them, so...i'm interested.

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yeah, i like you too <3

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I need an active bond tonight for sure. With a lock town if poss.

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Me? Ali would like bonds

Can I be active aelita?

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Oh, heartless died with Eddie,random and menno are their scum pile.

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Should I just full claim at this point?

Ali, I wasn't an Ali before last night

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I could just bond with fire....

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p sure we're all gonna power lynch when we've got our bonds fixed, don't worry.

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Vote menno I guess?

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Intent to hammer.

Aelita, I need to be active Tonight. If you are going to have issues, I'll bond with fire.

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poe and the bond infiltration, which i haven't seen you explain, but also...i can't point to a townie thing you've done. and i can for pretty much everyone else.

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....have we hammered? caan i hammer? im pretty hammered...

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im gonna hammer before i sleep if nonone stop s me

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VOTE: mcmenno

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Well done town and props to JJ, fucking obv-towned it from day one.

My frog. My darling. You won the battle of the soul reads!

Also, ali, I'd love to play as you/ with you again

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Anti, your slot did well.