Open 685: Diffusion of Power [Game Over]

[Ingeel]

VOTE: Jordarrian

I value sanity

[Ingeel]

Wait unit's in this game

UNVOTE: Jordarrian
VOTE: Ulti

Sorry Jord someone worse than you is here

[Ingeel]

I'm down ngl

[Ingeel]

Well this should be fun, I don't know any of you!

VOTE: Melanora

Of course.

oh thank god i'm not alone

Just know most of them will probably flake

WELP LOOKS LIKE A PAGE ONE LYNCH IS NOT HAPPENING

YOU GUYS FAILED ME

@Lycan

make me a Quadravoter

[Ingeel]

When fun turn serious-ish someone tends to get hurt.

No pain no gain

[Ingeel]

Day phases will be 2 weeks (14 days) long, and night phases will be 2 days (48 hours) long.

Welcome to MS
Enjoy your stay



@Gent
Are you going to sell our your fellow fmmod that easily

This ks Gent you're talking to

[Ingeel]

I don't even understand how you could say mela is a good pl when we have jord, ulti, chubby, and munch are all in this game

I'm actually decent sometimes

[Ingeel]

wow okay I managed to get wagoned without even posting this time. cool

Different site doesn't mean different rules

[Ingeel]

wow okay I managed to get wagoned without even posting this time. cool

Different site doesn't mean different rules

this has happened on another game in this site too

Then what did you expect?

[Ingeel]

I'm surprised it wasn't hammered

[Ingeel]

I'm p-sure Gent is town.

[Ingeel]

I'm p-sure Gent is town.

no you arent

yes I am

[Ingeel]

This game is dying fast

@Lycan

is it guaranteed that there is a role acting every night?

[Ingeel]

This game is dying fast

@Lycan

is it guaranteed that there is a role acting every night?

No

That sucks shit


This is probably stupid and I can see why but hear me out on this(and here comes my legacy of being dumb town :okhand:):

Thoughts on cops their results after the night they used it on? Essentially they just become VT's afterwards and if they die later we lose the information.


I mean I'm not really behind this myself, just trying to get discussion going other than the memes. I'm all pro memes but it's like 10 pages (._. )

[Ingeel]

I know that but it feels weird >~>

[Ingeel]

Get fukt I guess

[Ingeel]

This game is dying fast

@Lycan

is it guaranteed that there is a role acting every night?

No

That sucks shit


This is probably stupid and I can see why but hear me out on this(and here comes my legacy of being dumb town :okhand:):

Thoughts on cops their results after the night they used it on? Essentially they just become VT's afterwards and if they die later we lose the information.


I mean I'm not really behind this myself, just trying to get discussion going other than the memes. I'm all pro memes but it's like 10 pages (._. )

If we want a shiity jumpstart here's one


IDK how else to jumpstart game

[Ingeel]

people to like complain about the game not advancing and then not doing anything to advance it blatantly bc that and tone is basically why im scumreading

How can you say I'm complaining about it no advancing? I proposed a question/suggestion to answer/comment on(albeit not one I'm in favor of) to kickstart the game the best I could. It didn't work because nobody responded, so IDK where you're pulling that part from.

[Ingeel]

How would you want me to give reads when pretty much everyone was meming for nearly 10 pages? Sure Jord's reaction was shit and Gent was probs town but I already mentioned the latter.

I'd say tentative town.

I mean I don't think the idea is good in the first place but I was just trying to get discussion going because the game feels unbearably slow

[Ingeel]

I'm nullreading Jord, while the reaction was shit he always overreacts like this and he's somewhat an attention whore so I don't think it's AI. Not sure what others a TR'ing him for but I'm doing it for not hammering whoever was being meme wagoned earlier(p-sure Jord)

[Ingeel]

Jord is always scum, if that's what you're asking

[Ingeel]

no i didn't know who you were until today

[Ingeel]

I'd say tentative town

sorry im kinda loopy i didnt piece that this about me and not jordy

you dont find it odd that i said you werent doing anything to advance the gamestate when you felt you did?

Didn't see this, but yea I pointed it out immediately

[Ingeel]

I'd say tentative town

sorry im kinda loopy i didnt piece that this about me and not jordy

you dont find it odd that i said you werent doing anything to advance the gamestate when you felt you did?

Didn't see this, but yea I pointed it out immediately

i know you did.....

but u still townread me? :/

Ugh boring

Giga is town

get ur filthy vote off of me scum

Yes because you feel town motivated. Plus I've slipped like that at times, so I'm p-sure it was a mistake.

[Ingeel]

what exactly about misrepping your play is townie

I never said it was townie, you're completely misconstruing what I said. I said you're town motivated, and your play pings me as town. Questions such as this attribute to my read, but I'm not locking town because of it.

Do you get what I'm saying?

[Ingeel]

I guess?

idk your read on me is weird

so like that doesnt impact your read in me

it does did you not read the post


Also my gut says parker is scum so VOTE: Silmarils

I'm also fine with a Var wagon

[Ingeel]

Spoiler: kappa

test

var use

Spoiler:

[Ingeel]

var u can use spoiler tags with an = sign to make

Spoiler:

hey

also uh igneel talk to me about that gutread?

A gut read is a gut read, I know there was one or two other things that pinged it but my main reason is my gut. Lemme grab the quotes

[Ingeel]

Let us not meme hammer my friends.

Also if you are going to call me scummy please at least do it properly

I didn't say you were scummy, I just said it was not necessarily a towntell. Are we a bit overdefensive zzz.

These felt a little bit off from me and gave me weird vibes. And when I was rechecking their ISO it felt like they had lots of town-cred grabby things.

I know I probably look like a complete VI rn but this is my thought process OK

[Ingeel]

Melanora:

I just meant that I read an iso and think "would this make sense coming from scum" or "would this make sense coming from town." If I read it and say wow yes that makes a lot of sense sounding like scum, then it isn't great evidence, but it's something. Sorry if I explained poorly, is that clearer?

And as for Ingeel:
I felt like it was a lot of complaining about the game not advancing, without doing anything to advance it. Seemed like someone with a scum role getting anxious. OH and also I didn’t like the comment about having a legacy of being dumb town in post 229. I read it like let me make excuses for not being particularly pro-town…
There were a couple things that made me question it like asking if there was an active role every night but I never said my read was permanent.

But I did do something to advance the game, so ???

Also it's a "legacy" and very little self-confidence for

Catching up

[Ingeel]

Transcend v giga felt like TvT. Definitely not TvS. I'm also willing to accept that the entire conversation was just memes and joking around with each other but I sort of doubt it. Correct me if i I'm wrong

[Ingeel]

no lol

jord's either lynchbait or scum. i don't think my opinion on him will change throughout the course of the game

Femcesit, don't like the end bit

[Ingeel]

that's not what I meant

VOTE: Transcend

if you're going to play this game then I'll play it

Honestly you guys scumreading Var doesn't even surprise me but he does this regardless of alignment

It feels different from town! Var to me

[Ingeel]

{}
{Ingeel, Silmarils}
{noseacaballo, melanora, gigabyteTroubadour,}
{Killthestory, RadiantCowbells, RhazhBash}
{Transcend, Varanus, TrueGent}
{Ulti}
{}


Looking at these ISOs realizing the insults I've recieved. I'm trying to improve guys ;-;

Explain your Ulti and Gent reads

[Ingeel]

why is gent scum

95% of his ISO contains no content.

Excuse me for being a hypocrite, but that's what I see. Post more content Gent

Que did I just read

That's a shit reason

[Ingeel]

RC town tbh

[Ingeel]

WHO THE FUCK IS CHUBBY

Hi nice to meet you

[Ingeel]

Honestly gent, posts like those are what sparked my read on you this morning. Literally 95% of your ISO is just that

This is why I drink

BTW @Var jord's ISO should be juicy for you

[Ingeel]

literally this is why I'm scumreading ulti

...

I am speechless. Don't like mela's Gent push

[Ingeel]

Transcend what do you think of mela?

[Ingeel]

RC town tbh

NO STFU

YOU TAKE THAT BACK

RC lock scum, trying to look town by refusing TR

[Ingeel]

Chubby isn't being useless, ez scum

Precisely, definitely my meta

Also, trans again, what is your view on mela?

[Ingeel]

n't had a chance to get on a pc for a while thoug

isn't this how you normally play

[Ingeel]

RIP Rhazh

[Ingeel]

/request VC

Don't know what Varanus is at and don't want to accidentally hammer

[Ingeel]

Gent v Mela is almost definitely TvS.

[Ingeel]

what why i think the exact opposite it's obv tvt

Mel's really just pushing on little nitpicks and I've been getting bad vibes in general

[Ingeel]

like you flat out lied about my meta, and people in the thread have backed me up on that
so

So someone you townread would flat out lie about your meta?

[Ingeel]

I mean this is a mislynch but i don't care

I personally believe ML>NL, but we're not in that situation right now, so what makes you want to vote town?


Also sorry for inactivity, won't go into as much as on ToS but I feel shit and school attacked

So sorry ill try to contribute more when i can

[Ingeel]

The lack of resistance(besides Gent) to the Var lynch is sort of putting me off, so he's either being bussed or legit ML.

I think he's scum but this is making me really think over shit

[Ingeel]

youtube doesnt work here

[Ingeel]

Var was definitely bussed


Also FUCK

[Ingeel]

ingeel is town btw

ive been convinced

What changed from here? I know you said you were going back and forth but I'd like a little more insight.

Var was definitely bussed


Also FUCK

?

N1 Cop died

[Ingeel]

truegent locktown
caballo silm and trans strong town

everything else is complicated

i keep going back and forth on like mel ulti and ignell. ulti's probably scum if you're town due to poe shenanigans

varanus is scummy but gent is adamant about not lynching him so i'm giving him a day

rhaz is lmao no serious read

i was scumreading your pred lightly

jord is probably newbscum tbh i havent liked his last posts that much

am i forgetting anyone

we're not lynching gent

we're not lynching trans

we're not lynching caballo

we're not lynching rc

we're not lynching jord

VOTE: Ingeel

What made you change on Jord and Silm?

[Ingeel]

dude you pulled out a readlist from like 400 posts ago if you cared about asking me about that you'd have aske dme WAY earlier

i haven't really liked your posts with gent/mel being SvT and saying that varanus was bussed because i doubt it

I'm asking now because you don't want to lynch Jord/lynch Sil which wasn't something you were fond of yesterday.

Also fair enough and can you explain the lack of a counterwagon?

[Ingeel]

roleblocked xd

Also no Jord is bad wagon Sil

[Ingeel]

So to those not voting kts: why?

He's sort of glided under the radar for me and I haven't paid much attention to him. Should probs checks his ISO soon so i can actually reas him

[Ingeel]

@RC

Can you explain what motive Titus would have to fake his guilty on you? Don't say "to eliminate a strong player hurr de hurr" because then the night kill would have been used on you rather that setting up a 1v1.

I'm sort of curious on giga's complete flips on Jord and Silm, and I'd like them to elaborate on that.

[Ingeel]

I mean the fact you lynched scum means nothing--there was no counterwagon and it means Var was likely bussed(regardless of number, at least 1 mafia is on there), although the Doctor point is reasonable for not being killed, but I'm still not seeing a need for the claim just to kill you.

[Ingeel]

I would always lynch scum!Titus. Like I dropped the ball on reading her up to this point because I made assumptions based on other people's behaviour but she is never surviving a game vs me

So they kill you and completely ignore the purpose of survival they had?
Also you were townreading Titus so bah humbug that point

[Ingeel]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells


I'm extremely confident in this

[Ingeel]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells


I'm extremely confident in this

I'm extremely confident that you're an awful player

So am I that's why I'm following the cop with a red result :^)

[Ingeel]

following the scum that fakeclaimed one you mean. grats on being easily manipulated by the least cunning manipulator on site, I am sure your mother is very proud of you

are you actually going to prove Titus isn't cop or are you just going to keep attacking the players pushing you in no significant way?

If it's the latter I'm cool with it because I have math HW and that means I don't need to refresh spam.

[Ingeel]

If you were a half decent scum player you wouldn't need to fakeclaim guilties on people who are guaranteed to lynch you otherwise

What is this meant to prove besides "Titus is shit scum leedle"?

[Ingeel]

You lynch Titus and then when she flips scum you fucking doc me

Or we lynch the red result then go for cop if it's green

Except there's no motivation for scum!Titus

[Ingeel]

Because I have fucking never failed to misread her once.

And yes cry that I was meh on her this game but taht was more due to outside circumstances. Once she consistently posted she would die.

You were townreading them, and that's a honkey excuse

[Ingeel]

Tbf I think the smarter play would be to lynch Titus. If he flips town then we know to lynch RC the next day. Why do I suggest lynching him over RC you may ask? Well, if RC really is town and a N3 cop as he claims, then we just wasted a cop check. However, if Titus isn't lying and is a n1 cop as he claims, he already used his check so he's pretty much vanilla now. Think about the danger of possibly killing off a perfectly good cop check people.

Have you read the thread

Gent what

O

[Ingeel]

I don't tihink anyone on ending Varanus wagon is scum, nor final RC wagon.

I think it's in <Jord, Kill> and I'm p-sure its Kill. I do have a third one but it's extremely tinfoily and i doubt it unless they're both town

[Ingeel]

who is your tinfoily option

You but i highly hihgly highly doubt that either k1ll or Jord flip town and based on behavior i sort of doubt it, but thats it

[Ingeel]

What was the point of claiming Jord

[Ingeel]

Why is everyone claiming this is not fun

Scum!Giga isn't so unfathomable nose, it's fairly reasonable

[Ingeel]

Why would RC have done that weird attached at the hip thing with giga if they were scum partners?

Would love to hear the case or see the posts from either of you.

Hence why I said its reasonable and its mt last resort

[Ingeel]

I don't think k1ll flips town here

Most of his ISO is really just D1 fluff and then little comments here and there, he never really expressed an opinion.

Are we fine putting him at L-1?

[Ingeel]

kk

VOTE: Killthestory

[Ingeel]

I want to be cocky and say it's game but I feel like it will go horribly wrong.

[Ingeel]

You were N-3 cop parker?

[Ingeel]

noseacaballo
Jordarrian


This our pool for last scum--I doubt Gent is scum, and i know im not scum so that leaves us here.

VOTE: Jord

[Ingeel]

I don't think k1ll flips town here

Most of his ISO is really just D1 fluff and then little comments here and there, he never really expressed an opinion.

Are we fine putting him at L-1?

Translation: Will you guys promise not suspect me if I hop on this wagon here?

You also forget the fact that day had just barely begun(1-2 days) and i was checkong to see if we were gucci with a quickhammer

[Ingeel]

It's not impossible, it would be extremely unnecessary at that point in the game and i find it unlikely.

[Ingeel]

So we're looking at <nose, Jord> right now

[Ingeel]

Just read the iso of varanus and I'm pretty happy with the vote pressure there. Perhaps this is bad form, but sometimes when you look at something from a scum perspective it just makes sense and that's what I'm getting.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Varanus

Makes me doubt its nose tbh

Giga who do you think it is then?

Also down for a massclaim

Behaviour's part of it nose

[Ingeel]

I am day 3 cop and lynching me before I get a chance to get my cop off is absolutely awful play

This is what you're referring to right nose?

Ok this is probs a bad example but lets say Y claims Cop, and he had a green on X N1 yet scumread him D2. Its obviously BS

[Ingeel]

If he was claiming cop then it was to get Titus lynched and not so much to create distanc.

Maybe it was SvS and Titus popped the surprise onto RC but i see anu scenario with both of them as scum really unlikely

[Ingeel]

Yes he did giga, almost beginning of D3

[Ingeel]

Sils cop check would checl out, he believed giga was scum and with tjw inno that dispels that

It might be parker but with thw check im doubting my earlier reads.

[Ingeel]

I'm jusy happy im 1 for three t b h

[Ingeel]

That last post I made I was afraid of looking stupid because of what I did D2, only to realize what I did made me look even more stupid.

KMS
VOTE: Nose
Obvious shade throwing is obvious

Every post you make is literally asking ro be lynched

If we have any more cops check <Jord, Gent, caballo>

Caballo that's not the case because neither of them need to ve a real cop and the scum of the two could just fake an inno

[Ingeel]

You mentioned him once D1 with that read and never mentioned him after that.

[Ingeel]

Kk i was N4 Doctor on giga

Giving the no kill I'm thinking i saved him

[Ingeel]

5v1
3v1

We have two more chances unless we have a N6 Doctor or NL

[Ingeel]

He would shoot conf town because he knows there are no more cops and doesn't want extra PoE

[Ingeel]

VOTE: TrueGent

Gent claim

[Ingeel]

I just lost a post and I'm angery, but essentially it's in <Jord, Gent>, maybe Sil.

I really doubt it's Titus and me and giga are conf town all times

[Ingeel]

Jord because you're a scumfuck


yes gent plz claim

[Ingeel]

So its 5/6

We're probably5-5 here, if Sil is scum ita 4/6

[Ingeel]

...
..
.

I have no words for your stupidity Jord

[Ingeel]

He's saying he doesn't think a Gent wagon would get enough momentum over yours

[Ingeel]

I wish my confirmed towns were doing things

I'm busy :C

catching up

[Ingeel]

i dont see titus guiltying rc unless rc specifically asked her to do it and i dont really see that as likely unless rc absolutely hated playing scum vs. me and wanted to surrender w.o replacing out

would RC actually do that though

[Ingeel]

I don't want to hammer yet--we've been making most of our lynches besides Var quick and look where that has led us, and we still have 11 days to fully utilize

[Ingeel]

I refuse to hammer because this wagon is awful minus var and kill

Like I don't see this coming from scum!Gent, because I know he'd probably just go for the hammer because IIRC the Jord wagon was serious so he wouldn't have gotten much heat for it

[Ingeel]

Seems like Jord isn't happening. Who do I have to hammer today?

?
Jord is happening, we're just waiting on chubby/jord/giga to do the do

I'm still looking over stuff so id prefer not to hammer this soon, but I'm leaning jord yes

[Ingeel]

What's the argument for town!Jord besides his normal idiot meta

[Ingeel]

Honestly I'm willing to lynch Jord because just because he's a dumbass doesn't mean he's inno

Although if not him it has to be Sil because it seems like RC was a considerably stronger player than Gent(by here and probs in maf chat) and I feel like they would've shot Titus after he said he'd check RC, joke or not.

[Ingeel]

Wait they said that?

what no i'm using knowledge ive seen from reading games around here to conclude that RC would be a stronger player probs

[Ingeel]

I mean a good majority of people were townreading RC when he came in, and at that point it would really depend on whom they viewed as a stronger player

[Ingeel]

hi.

Can I has VC, I see there's not a page top.

@RC, I'm explicitly checking you night 1 and keeping the result to myself if I'm a night 1 cop. It's a compulsion anytime I see no check.

@Silmarils

[Ingeel]

Like I see how the tone could be taken jokingly but I'd still play safe on those grounds, especially when it seems they are an extremely strong scum player

[Ingeel]

Ok sure there's kill association but I seriously doubt anybody would connect those dots unless we're in a situation and really desperate

[Ingeel]

Yeah hence the follow up post I made to it

I don't see why they would risk it

[Ingeel]

Ingeel, can you make a choice?

I'm leaning Jord>Sil/Gent>You

I just don't want to hammer yet

[Ingeel]

VOTE: Jord

I'll just check out what i want going into the day

[Ingeel]

Jord this better be a troll

[Ingeel]

Titus isn't confirmed but I'm going to treat himm like it since if he's scum I'm not upset about losing this.


Gonan lean Silm here, not gonna vote just wanna ISO dive them both and see what I find

[Ingeel]

No probs

I mean I don't really see a problem with it. I see what you're pointing out I just see it as nobody wants to go Gent over Jord, which isn't the best but I've seen people do it before

[Ingeel]

Walls are shit tbf

[Ingeel]

I see it more as "Gent doesn't have enough momentum and I'm also fairly suspecting Jord"

I see it your way but I just don't think that's what happened

Although yeah I was leaning Sil over you

[Ingeel]

Would vote for rhazh but he already has a good enough wagon for now
Maybe ulti or jord too, but meh

[Ingeel]

So was giga through the entire game and they wanted to hammer


I'm pretty sure it's Sil nonetheless, but we have 14 days for this

[Ingeel]

God DAMMIT

This reaction after hard believing Jord was town than the post Gent quoted and then this doesn't add up

[Ingeel]

ingeel is town
giga is probably town
var is town
sil is town
I dont want to read kill
jord ulti and mel are still useless
rhazh will probably flake at some point so zzz
everyone else is ???

why would he mention rhahh and not just put him in the ???? category

@Gent

that is phrased really awkwardly

[Ingeel]

its probably Ulti/Rhazh/+1 unless my reads are complete shit cus this thread looks fairly ok
maybe rc but idk

Scum Gent doesn't ever post this methinks

[Ingeel]

Gent usually doesn't bus and the tone

Also that too but it's either him or Silm

[Ingeel]

I mean i sort of want to read RC's ISO but i don't think that's going to change much

Also don't think Gent still goes Silm w/ the Jord wagon

im fine but i dont want to keep rushing aaaaa

[Ingeel]

Also

@Titus

aside from confidence why were you advocating early hammers?


That's definitely the vibe I was getting and it keeps nagging me and I don't like iT

[Ingeel]

Also

@Titus

aside from confidence why were you advocating early hammers?


That's definitely the vibe I was getting and it keeps nagging me and I don't like iT

Nah, that was it. I hammerred basically anything that was l minus 1 because it was an impedement to lynching Jord.

ok yeah i don't think that comes from scum

if you're scum Titus ggwp, I will be happy to lose to a play like that


I really doubt it's Gent here too, so I guess we're done?

[Ingeel]

Like I do want to review RC's ISO but I really doubt that'll change much for me unless there's some goldmine post in there which IIRC most of his posts aside from D2 were socializing and being a drunk

[Ingeel]

Town: GBT, Titus, Ulti
Leantown: Nose
Meh: Truegent
Scummy: Jordarrian
Vscummy: Simarils

Rest I want to review before giving anything more concrete on

Like yeah it might be gent based on another post too but they were bus happy on Var so maybr a similar case here

Also RC showed nothing with Titus, so unledd Titus randomly decided to bus Titus then it's Sil

[Ingeel]

If titus is scum I'm not even mad, he would have played well -the QH advocating but that's understandable


VOTE: Silm

If it's Gent I'm angry at being dunked by commie scum

[Ingeel]

Hello darkness my old friend


I've never been on this end of LyLo this is not fun

[Ingeel]

Just hAmMeR

[Ingeel]

Gent r u scum

Oh sweet

internally screeching

[Ingeel]

Titus trolling isn't nice ={

[Ingeel]

Gent secretly be a N6 Doctor

[Ingeel]

Shush its ok parker we know i have no concept of being good

[Ingeel]

Same

That was really well executed

[Ingeel]

BTW yes infinite more fun than my last game here

[Ingeel]

particularly silmarils, melanora, truegent, ingeel

u guys were my favs

Ayy thanks

This game here was enjoyable, I'll probably stick around this time

[Ingeel]

my gut was telling me the theatre was fake but my heart was telling me nawwww

fuck you stupid heart

Lol

[Ingeel]

Go back to toucan hell ICE