Open 686: Tit for Tat Game over!

[SnarkySnowman]

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[SnarkySnowman]

I need to give this game some attention. I got really busy like immediately after game opened

I'll probably use words here tomorrow.

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This is the most I've seen NM contribute and the most I've seen Fitz whine.

Sorry for being shaky lately work picked up a lot. I'll be back at it soon though.

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I owe this game more attention tbh. I have a few reads, ML and Bins need a looking at. At a skim this is almost town game

[SnarkySnowman]

vote Michael Lee

ok VOTE: ML

*opens thread*
Oh cool Bins is playing, I'm gonna RVS her immediately
*scrolls down*
Oh

TILTED

havingfitzies, ya seem ta be more interested in yelling at people than finding mafia!!!! YA COULD BE MAFIA USING THAT AS AN EXCUSE PEXCUSE TA NOT DO ANYTHING!!! AND THAT VOTE ON ME WAS WEALLY BAD!!!!

Too real?

(@riley])
Here is why I voted you:

1. Your annoying persona.

2. Looking for reaction.

3. Even through your annoying phraseology you have made some questionable posts (mentioned above).
4. IF you are town...your schtick is obfuscating/distracting your fellow town from finding actual scum....i.e. you are acting in an anti-town manner.

Who do you suspect? You are voting sesq for what I assume is an RVS vote. If you are in fact town you must be getting a feel for how people are acting towards you. What's up? Who is scum? Who is town? Something...

2. that's pretty town for early on, isn't it?

havingfitz is a buttface

And you're useless to town...regardless of your alignment.

This man is tilted.


Reads at page 5:

Townish {Gale, Riley}
Scumlean {ML, Fitz}

Can't tell if Fitz is scum or frustrated town. ML is overdoing it but not really going for a lot.


I have a meeting now but after that I will continue.

[SnarkySnowman]

VOTE: penumbra

Page 16 is all I needed to see tbh. I should be back to actually active soon.

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ML is using a lot of words but isn't really saying a whole lot. I'm uncomfortable with his constant shift in rhetoric despite most of it being generally pro-town. 299 is shit though. 345, yes, your vote was terrible, and pen was pretty spot on for that. 376 is like "OH YOU POSTED CONTENT I CAN SAY I HAVE CONTENT-BASED REASON TO VOTE NOW LOL". You say I'm scummy when I have 3 posts about how I need to catch up, compare that to Kop who has one post about policy lynching / is fluff, and that's townish. That makes no sense how you want to go away from your scumreads and go for me, a "scumread".

A50 is all over the place as usual. Disliking some of his votes, disliking some of what he says. I tend to think this lines up with his town play but the intention reads scum to me.

NM I usually have to read closer because while he is to the point, his posting style requires reading the ISO to get the gist. It seems mostly town to me though. He pushes / comments his reads, he has a clear direction, and despite lacking a lot of content (many posts are tweet length) I can follow what he's looking at. Saying this is a useless slot is pretty lazy imo.

Kop has posted thrice. 240 is pretty scummy in that "I don't want to actually scumhunt let's just talk about policy lynching and echo what others have said, taking a fairly safe vote".

Bins seems to be piggybacking off other people a lot with just a little extra original thought sprinkled on top. Will look at this later, could be NAI, could be scum. Not a day 1 lynch.

208 from Fitz is ridiculous given the rest of his game. Scumread. 295 not good either. 370 sucks. Hard to tell if this is town and tilted or scum and trying to drive the town, but I feel the latter.

Need to look at pen's 247. Reads scummy given the intro post. 347 is bad or ironic, can't tell. 363 is mostly good, some bad. A little flip-floppy for my taste.

Sesq is starting to look very town ~page 11 or so. 274 is a great sesqpost on gyr. Not much more to say on it but I generally agree with sesq's sentiments.


Reads at page 17 where I gave up:
Town {Sesq}
Lean {NM}
Need to read more / low posts {Kop, Riley, GF}
Scumlean {Fitz, Gyr, A50, Bins, penumbra}
Scum {ML}

My problem, you can't all be scum; so, the fuck.

I can flesh this out, and I meant to, but these are my notes reading through. Ask for the specifics and I can.

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UNVOTE:

Yeah, I actually don't know why any scum member would have the nads to put like 5 or 6 people in their scum pile upon having 4 votes on them. I don't agree with their reads list at all, but I don't think scum would ever do what Snarky just did. My vote is currently vacant as I don't really know who to vote. But I don't want to vote SnarkySnowman anymore.

Specific reads you don't like and why?

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ML is misrepping as fuck.

I said, you use a lot of words to say not all that much. I'm evidently your biggest or second biggest scumread, as I was when all of my posts were along the lines of "I'm catching up" or whatever.

You're constantly positioning this "snark and penumbra are teammates" which gets strengthened when we both agree on obvious points about your shitty reads, among other things. That misleading, misrepping, and pretty manipulative.

I know I'm flip-flopping a bit, and I realize I may be starting to town read penum more for not thinking I'm scum, but damn if they aren't making a lot of sense.

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In case it's not already there, VOTE: ML

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Gyr -> fitz -> A50 I guess. ML is a good discussion though for now

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Tbh I can't play a game without being insta scum read either lol

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Riley isn't particularly scummy to me. I went through her iso, she is like NM in that she kinda does things and has decent reasoning for it. Slight town lean for me.

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Fitz?

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A50 can you talk about why you're not voting ML and whether or not you agree with my read

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ML is misrepping as fuck.

I said, you use a lot of words to say not all that much. I'm evidently your biggest or second biggest scumread, as I was when all of my posts were along the lines of "I'm catching up" or whatever.

You're constantly positioning this "snark and penumbra are teammates" which gets strengthened when we both agree on obvious points about your shitty reads, among other things. That misleading, misrepping, and pretty manipulative.

I know I'm flip-flopping a bit, and I realize I may be starting to town read penum more for not thinking I'm scum, but damn if they aren't making a lot of sense.

This post describes a lot of my ML read. Couple that with lack of fleshing out on my case yet being strongest scumread vs other scumreads he has actually fleshed out a case for.

A50 you're either not paying attention or are his buddy. If you're town please don't do that

[SnarkySnowman]

Didn't see that.

VOTE: Micheal Lee

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A50, and sesq for that matter, thoughts on what I've said about ML?

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Not willing to lynch Riley. Looks town to me, I can explain why in detail if you want.

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Okay can we just lynch bins then if nobody will get on ML?

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I tend to agree with you gyr actually as much as I'm wary. Who would you rather have as the lynch today?

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A big part for me is you don't seem to have much reason behind me, which makes it hard for me to say anything to it - it postures for a me looking scummy on your word regardless of what I do, given people agreed with something you said at some point or other. I admit I may be omgusing here partially, but that plus the way you've been misrepping things has really rubbed me the wrong way. It's subtle and reads scummy to me as opposed to reading like you misread or actually took things differently. Just my two cents.

Internally I'm waffling hard but I think I'm fine with penum/gyr. I'd really rather ML though. I'd consider a50

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Bins, maybe you can explain why you scum read me. Or will you just continue to echo other people's thoughts?

I'll be on close to deadline if I need to move a vote to make a lynch

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I think I was the first person to call your catch-up scummy. I'm not echoing.

Politifact score: pants on fire

Had to double check.


So again, I ask..

Why do you think I am scum? Is there some reason, other than just cus, that you think that?

And can we possibly also talk about why you disagree with my reads?

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Correction. You softly said 373 was bad. The catch-up post I thought of was 493, which you ignored completely.

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Can you flesh that out? What do you mean my posts were bad? :/ How does the "connection" work in your mind if one of us flips town? I cannot follow you at all.

Gonna stop getting distracted by this for now though. Gonna look at leading wagons

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I don't like how snark is unlynchable and gets defended all the time (teammates?)

If I'm scum I can only have 2 teammates...

There have been at least 4 people saying I'm town. Math????

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I give gyr 60-40 of flipping scum btw.

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I don't like how snark is unlynchable and gets defended all the time (teammates?)

If I'm scum I can only have 2 teammates...

There have been at least 4 people saying I'm town. Math????

all of these people have given no reasons other than meta

all of the people saying to lynch me have also given no reason other than "posts are bad", which when left vague like that, is basically the same thing :/

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inb4 bins ml scumteam

I'd buy it

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Please unvote so NM doesn't quick hammer or something stupid like that.

I'm VT. Tell me why I'm scum, so I can respond to something. If you're so dead set on lynching me at least let me get up my updated read list before hammering.

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ML, you say because you team read me and penum. Penum has done more or less a 180 on me. How do you feel about that and why am I still a better vote to you than penum?

I want a50 or bins today by the way. ML would be nice but everyone town reads that and I'm feeling less and less confident :/

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Hey finally some reasoning. That's also a town as shit post too.

I scum read you and bins, is it strange I'd leave my vote on you?

Bussing is a thing too. That said, I'm not sold you/penum are a team.

I'm not really sure of this game right now and want to reread some things.

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Not mafia has a point

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Fitz is still playing???

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I'm pretty willing to hammer this, but will wait. It's still early in the day.

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That is like the least town thing you could be saying. There's no this your ate drivel is town.

VOTE: a50

get dead scum

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Excuse me for not wanting time to let this dissolve. I'm fucking positive this flips scum. There's no way he does that "oh boo hoo I give up" as town, that's not how he plays

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FUCK it's almost confirmed

- Snarky townreads riley (who gets nightkilled)

- Has Not_Mafia lean town

- Wants pretty much everyone dead

FUCK

Snarky is 100% scum, vig him

not mafia is 80%, lynch him tomorrow

penum should still be looked into though

damn I had more quotes in there but w/e. just ISO snarky and see he towreads riley twice etc

>And why would Riley not be the vig, ML? Seems like an obvious vig target, where I wouldn't think of Aristo as one. How does my townreading Riley at that point mean anything after riley is vigged, probably for being a tough player to read / play with?

And you know even better that a vig that hits town ends the game if the scum choose a different target.

Not mafia reads pretty town, and while I see how you could disagree, I feel like you're not really paying attention to the entirety of his game.

"wants pretty much everyone dead" is a total misrep and you damn well know it. I had, at that point, 1 major scumread (you, I still think you're a scumfuck), and 4 or so possibles otherwise. Right now, it's more like:

Town {Sesq, penum, NM}
Null/please replace {Kop}
Alt scum {Fitz}
Scum {ML, Bins, a50}

I really don't see why you've been tunneling on me so hard, either, unless you are scum. Hopefully losing your buddy a50 will help everyone else realize that.

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I'm not fishing, you continue to misrep to make me look bad. there's no way you're town

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How the fuck was a50 not scum?

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I'm still happy with ML being scum, I think, but I want to hear what he says. Let me re-read through and figure out where I stand.

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Still working on reading everyone.

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Going by ML's logic I should be hard scumreading Bins + ML because of the team read.

Oh wait

I do scumread both ML and Bins

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Alsmost done reading up. Here are reads for the gist:

Town {pen}
Alternate Scum {Fitz / Bins}
Scum {ML}

Trying to work out which of the three there I want today. Fitz was an early scumread, ML has been my tunnel, and bins did a lot of echo-y shit / not scumhunting early.

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Fitz' read up posts are scummy as fuck.
Bins is being less scummy than before but is still a scumfuck.
ML continues to be a scumfuck.

I think I can safely rule penum as town.

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gg guys

not sure how I was pegged as scum early on ~main catch up era, tips on improving would be nice