Mini 1904: Rad Idea Mafia! (Endgame!)

[Ircher]

My role is compulsive, though not necessarily negative utility.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Vanilla

[Ircher]

Werewolf and aliens are their own factions. WW works the same as Mafia (correct if I'm wrong) and Aliens can only kill on night 2 onwards (right?)

Mafia and Werewolf are group scum factions that share a nightly factional kill.
Aliens share a 1-shot factional kill as well as another ability. Like Mafia, they are a group scum faction.

There's a wiki page btw.

[Ircher]

Very little rn; I'm simply just waiting for something to happen; gerryoat --> why?

[Ircher]

Why do people find roleblockers as bad for town?

[Ircher]

Also (correct me if wrong as again, on phone) if McMenno is Ascetic then he has to be the Mafia Ascetic making him even more pro town.

This makes zero sense.

Also, can we lynch this for the discard and LAMIST?

[Ircher]

I understand now.

[Ircher]

You still need rope though.

[Ircher]

Vanilla needs rope. This setup spec is an obvious LAMIST attempt, and his discard is scummy. Please vote him or you claim scum.

[Ircher]

I'm just saying now I don't get lynched as town.
And I'm pretty scummy on my align / role. So by all means keep this up.

FTFY

[Ircher]

Great work. You can lead town while I pretend to await real progression from Chickadee.

FTFY

@SlySly --> Vote Vanilla.

[Ircher]

SHH!!!

[Ircher]

Vanilla needs rope. This setup spec is an obvious LAMIST attempt, and his discard is scummy. Please vote him or you claim scum.

[Ircher]

I'm just saying now I don't get lynched as town.
And I'm pretty scummy on my align / role. So by all means keep this up.

Great work. You can lead town while I pretend to await real progression from Chickadee.

@SlySly --> Vote Vanilla.

[Ircher]

It's hard to believe there is no lyncher or Jester role.

It's hard to believe you are town.

[Ircher]

1 card is your alignment, the other is your role, and the final one is discarded.

For instance:

1. VT
2. Mafia Roleblocker
3. Town Cop

You could use Town Cop as your alignment and Mafia Roleblocker as your role to be Town RBer. Then we would see you discarded VT.

[Ircher]

LAMIST^

[Ircher]

gerry, vote vanilla

[Ircher]

yeah, there is. LAMIST.

[Ircher]

Then find me a new lynch target.

[Ircher]

My role is compulsive, though not necessarily negative utility.

Interesting. The only compulsive role in this setup is Vig. A Town Compulsive Vig.

So, you expect us to believe that not only did you draw three town cards, but you also thought being forced to kill, regardless of what evidence crops up during the day, was a good fit for your role.
Not happening buddy.

VOTE: Ircher

VOTE: Radical

Thanks for outing me, jerk. (Also, thanks mod for having only 1 compulsiv role, like what the hell!)

[Ircher]

Radical needs rope.

[Ircher]

Since Radical decided to out me, I drew the following cards:

1) VT
2) Town 1-Shot Commuter
3) Town Compulsive Vigilante

[Ircher]

You outed yourself man.

Always read the setup before claiming something like that.

Now I want an explanation as to how exactly a compulsive kill every night is good for Town.

This is the mod's fault.

I didn't realize there was only one compulsive role, and I claimed compulsive cuz my role could be considered negative utilit to some extent..

[Ircher]

I did, but its like a 104 roles. I read last night and kinda forgot the list this afternoon.

Pedit: Elaborate.

[Ircher]

Why not?

[Ircher]

I frankly dont believe towwn would blatantly out a vig either.

Pedit: Elabprate further.

[Ircher]

And if this is solely on the fact that I tunneled you in the beginning, just stop. I was trying to generate reactions.

[Ircher]

Why not?

Because I don't think you would have chosen a compulsive kill over a commute. I also think that, if you did, VT would have been a better choice to discard.

Oh really?

Last time I played Greatest Idea, VT discards were scummy. And vig is way more fun than commuter.

[Ircher]

And if this is solely on the fact that I tunneled you in the beginning, just stop. I was trying to generate reactions.

I mean as a whole. What you are doing so far fits an underdog.

Fair assessment I guess. But alas, I am town.

[Ircher]

Radical Rat on the other hand is prob just scum.

[Ircher]

If Radical was town, he'd realize how stupid he's being rn.

[Ircher]

I'm town. And shooting people is fun; I'm shooting you N1.

[Ircher]

I'm town. And shooting people is fun; I'm shooting you N1.

Who's the LAMIST now, huh?

How is this LAMIST?

Cuz I said "I'm town".

[Ircher]

yo ircher did you really scumread 1svt or was it just to garner reactions? I'm confused.

85% reactions, 15% actual scumreading for discards.

[Ircher]

Why did you leave out Rauth? He's essentially claiming the same thing in the following post:

I know that I for one drew all cards of the same alignment.
Also, you can't get town compulsive vig without also having another town card to serve as the alignment

I didn't quite put it the same way as the others did. I never outright said I drew three town roles.

I didn't quite put it the same way as the others did. I never outright said I drew three town roles.

Rautherdir = Town Ascetic

You discarded a town role. If you received three of the same align then it was town.

I concur that this looks suspicious.
VOTE: Rauth

[Ircher]

"Look At Me, I'm so Town!"

[Ircher]

Why is Vanilla voting No Lynch?

[Ircher]

(Your post counts as LAMIST imo but thats beside the point.)

But, please, do elaborate, cuz it really seems you just roll a few 12 sided dice to determine your scumreads. You find my claim scummy YET you find 105 scummy as well. Then what do you find scummy of my claim? And lynch me regardless if I'm town? I'm sorry, but this could be LyLo for town, so your suggestion is really bad.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Snarky

Please start doing stuff.

[Ircher]

It does say RBer on the setup page. Which is my point.

I get you made a mistake, just. Read the setup now so you don't make similar errors when it actually matters is all I'm saying.

You honestly expect us to memorize 100+ roles? No way!

[Ircher]

I chose ascetic neighbor over 2shot bulletproof? well fuck my life.

ircher pulling a shitty-ass gambit and his claim is scummy as fuck. but also it's ircher and he legit thinks he might be helping the town by pulling this shit. but also his claim is shit. idk.

Not sure what you mean by gambit.

[Ircher]

Vanilla needs rope. This setup spec is an obvious LAMIST attempt, and his discard is scummy. Please vote him or you claim scum.

grrr!!! I don't believe ya!!! LOTSA PEOPLE DO SETUP SPECSIES EARLY!!! ya look like scum trying ta get an easy mislynch by bullying someone!!!!

VOTE: ircher!!!

.......keep reading, but you are a bit trigger hapy it seems........

[Ircher]

Ircher doesn't add up to be that role and give it away.
He would of read the role list before posting that 100%.

YEAH!!! AND THAT ANGRINESS ABOUT GETTIN' OUTED LOOKS FAKE!!!!!!!!

Do elaborate on what feels fake about it.

[Ircher]

If such a world exists where you aren't scum, who is then and why?

Rat - fishing for info with the alignments. It doesn't sit right with me.



All claiming to have only drawn town cards:
Rauth
Vanilla
Ircher

At LEAST one of them is lying. The odds of all of them drawing all town cards is very slim. We've talked about this. They're on my watch list.

Wrong, please stop.

Just because something is unlikely doesn't mean it's impossible.

[Ircher]

(As an analogy: Just because a royal flush in Poker is ultra-rare doesn't mean it is impossible.)

[Ircher]

Welcome aboard Riley!
3p means 3rd Party, which is just any alignment not on a team. Serial Killer and Survivor for instance. His role fits well with that I think.

Why shouldn't I be asking about alignments?
It's vague enough that the really strong PRs remain undercover, but there's plenty of reads to be gathered from how people answer that question.


Side note: I just realized I got post 69. Nice.

HEY!!! howdja know ircher's a serial eater or a survivysies?

Well, his role is a huge liability to have for Town, and a huge boon for scum. However his play also seems to be reckless and selfish, quite unbecoming of someone on a team. So either he's third party or the only one a scumteam, in which case he might as well be.

Or reckless town me.

[Ircher]

-snip-
Why have you taken it upon yourself to do your own setup speculation instead of scum hunt? Do you find the setup speculation others have done to be lacking? From my experience with you, this seem out of character. Reads like you're trying to get brownie points.

This setup encourages early game setup spec as a replacement to RVS. I noticed that some people are ignoring Radical Rat's attempts at sorting the game and am adding my own bit of pressure to get certain information into the open.
Speaking of which:
You have yet to reveal the alignments of your cards. Please do so.

Yes, but scumhunting is way more important and you are obviously avoiding doing so.

Setup spec tends to be beneficial for scum and possibly detrimental to town.

[Ircher]

Welcome aboard Riley!
3p means 3rd Party, which is just any alignment not on a team. Serial Killer and Survivor for instance. His role fits well with that I think.

Why shouldn't I be asking about alignments?
It's vague enough that the really strong PRs remain undercover, but there's plenty of reads to be gathered from how people answer that question.


Side note: I just realized I got post 69. Nice.

HEY!!! howdja know ircher's a serial eater or a survivysies?

Well, his role is a huge liability to have for Town, and a huge boon for scum. However his play also seems to be reckless and selfish, quite unbecoming of someone on a team. So either he's third party or the only one a scumteam, in which case he might as well be.

Or reckless town me.

dont like this post. sound like youre trying to convince yourself that you are town.

No, you obviously misinterpreted: I'm pointing out that there is more than those two possibilities and one shouldn't be ignorant of such.

[Ircher]

Yeaaaah, everybody hop on VOTE: ircher

What even is this?

[Ircher]

The-fucking-balls

Was that coordinated bullshit theater?

Am I dreaming, Hello? UNVOTE:

Need to go read Chickadee/Radical Rat, back sometime tomorrow...

Don't like how you opportunistically jumped onto me then jumped off.
VOTE: Tiphaine

[Ircher]

289 and 291 are both terrible, you put them together and they read an AWFUL lot like a bad scum team. The timing on them is just SO terrible. Like "Your vote was opportunistic, you need to explain it more, but yeah, totally down to vote with you before making you do either, let's go."

Also most of the time someone says something is TVT, whether they are in it or not, it is a scum-tell.

Chickadee also pinged me before back at 105.

I am ready to pretty confidently say this is scum VOTE: chickadee, and the rat might well be scum with her, though I was getting a town-vibe from the rat prior to this bullshit.

Seriously though, how in the balls was the vote on ircher opportunistic? I want someone to explain that to me, because I went and looked, and I see no real pressure on ircher, and definitely no votes. That reads as a line of bullshit to me.

And btw, rat, if you feel like reading my iso and combine it with the fact that prior to this fracas I was bored and didn't have any hard-reads yet, you'll figure out why I voted ircher real quick.

1) Easy target to jump on -- anyone who read the first few pages can tell thats the case. Votes mean jacksquat in such an instance.
2) So you chose to vote the easiest person to vote when you were bored and w/o hard reads -- is that not by definition opportunistic?
3) Your jump off was also weird as if you did like a reaction test and yet, your behavior before and after don't match someone doing a reaction test.

Lazy town is an option, but scum is imo more likely.

[Ircher]

1) I jumped on you because your claim was scummy and even if you're town lynching you may be the correct play. I detailed this earlier. I was waiting to see if I had a better option but none presented itself and I got bored.
2) No, opportunistic is finding a spot where someone is the most likely to get lynched and getting on their wagon for that reason. If votes don't mean anything, I already was on your wagon. If votes mean something, you had no goddamn wagon.
3) I wasn't initially doing a reaction test, I kind of got one accidentally. My vote on you was completely serious, the reactions to that vote were so goddamn painful I had to re-evaluate.

1) How is the claim scummy? A bunch of you have stated that but none of you have backed up such claim. And lynching town is never "the correct play" unless you are scum.
2) Flawed perspective. Opportunistic votes are when you vote someone for poor reasons when its convenient; there doesn't need to be a wagon for a vote to be convenient.

[Ircher]

Compulsive vig is very little more neg util than vig.

[Ircher]

Most people make bad vig shots anyway.

[Ircher]

Okay, but the role doesn't force them to make those bad shots. They choose to do so and then deal with the consequences.

Now if you don't have a good shot planned, you've got no choice but to guess and hope for the best, which is not a good thing for the Town.

If you think it is, then I'd like to hear your explanation.

I'll make it a democracy -- I shoot one of the thrad's top 3 scumreads.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Chick

That readslist pinged me.

L-1

[Ircher]

Mainly how lazy and convenient they were.

[Ircher]

Radical, top 3 scumreads?

[Ircher]

Well, besides me?

[Ircher]

I could possibly vig Rauth.

Or maybe McMenno.....

[Ircher]

But it would be nice if everyone gave their top 3 scumreads right now excluding me.

[Ircher]

Good luck town!

[Ircher]

Yeah, I think I might go back to lynch all lurkers.

I honestly ought to have vigged Snarky insted but oh well.....

[Ircher]

My sincerest apologies.