Mini 1904: Rad Idea Mafia! (Endgame!)

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McMenno = Two-shot Bulletproof Survivor
Rautherdir = Town Ascetic
1 Shot Vanilla Town = Town Private Investigator
Radical Rat = Alien Prober
SnarkySnowman = Town Gravedigger
TiphaineDeath = Town Innocent Child
IAlwaysWinSometimes = Alien Doppelganger
Ircher = Town One-shot Commuter
Chickadee = Werewolf
Lil Uzi Vert = Town Miller
Necta = Replicant Bloodsucker
gerryoat = Watchlisted Townie
SlySly = Werewolf Hooker

can someone put the definitions next to these, so we know what they do? i think they can be important eventually. "werewolf" is mafia right? i've seen it used on this site to describe mafia, but on Epicmafia werewolf is a third party role, so i just wanna make sure

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Based on the ones I know, innocent child seems like a good role, seems a bit weird to throw that away

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Sly, why would you not wanna be a werewolf hooker? that's like.. a really good role lmao. ust curious

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WW discards are probably the most pro town discard out of everyone, even more so the Hooker role.

eh, idk. i wouldnt be so sure about this. what if the other 2 cards were just even better and happened to be mafia.

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no reason to right now

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yes, i know. but i just think based on that alone, it shouldnt mean anything. he coulda discarded that card cause he doesnt like being mafia, or he doesnt like being role blocker. which is why i asked. cause he coulda been town RBer if one of his cards were town

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Snarky, Tiphaine, LUV, and Gerry.

You've all discarded Town roles with a negative utility ability.
It seems to me like neg utility cards would be ideal for taking the alignment, then taking a better ability.

It's not anything damning, of course, but... interesting to note.

well yes, its a bad role lol. honestly i'd choose mafia over town anyway. but i got stuck with 3 town cards and that was the worst

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Since Radical decided to out me, I drew the following cards:

1) VT
2) Town 1-Shot Commuter
3) Town Compulsive Vigilante

lol

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Sly, why would you not wanna be a werewolf hooker? that's like.. a really good role lmao. ust curious

Yes, it is a good role. Maybe it's better than my role, maybe not. Now that I understand things better, I may have picked differently. But, I may have chosen exactly the same.

what didn't you understand? i mean, it was kinda clear when the mod explained to us in PM

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I received 3 town roles.
But given if I confirm them before others both of my hidden roles are unique.

Since Radical decided to out me, I drew the following cards:

1) VT
2) Town 1-Shot Commuter
3) Town Compulsive Vigilante

I find this hard to believe. Two people got all town roles? That leaves no wiggle room for alignment, and is awfully convenient when it comes time to claim things. There's such a huge section of list that wasn't even touched that it would be a fairly safe gamble to try and claim all town choices.

I got all town roles too. I mean, obviously people are going to be lying, so i dont think that's something to scumread. the people who discarded a mafia card coulda got 2 mafia cards and took mafia as alignment. Also, I'm not sure if it would be done like this but im sure there was at least 2 people with all mafia roles, cause like what would happen if everyone chose town cards?

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Do you consider being scum as 'fun'?

i do :p

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hm ok, well i got 3 town roles. so that's what i just assumed. so the amount of mafia is based on how many people picked to be mafia?

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so there could be literally 2 mafia right now?

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uhh sly, i dont get it. you have to make clear what your alignment and what your role is. so how did you think hooker was an alignment in any way or form?

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The fact I can't see Sly has played this setup or 1 like it before (skimmed played games) I believe the confusion claim. My first game it took a few explanations from the mod for me to understand.
I do however believe that Sly had a Mafia role... so sly, did you use it on your alignment or your power?

i've never played this before, and its not that hard to understand role and alignment

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I have a mason buddy that can confirm if necessary.

Look my cards were town bloodhound, mafia ascetic mason and 2shot BP survivor. The mafia and survivor alignments were off the table as I'm not good at being mafia and site meta is survivors get policy lynched. I chose ascetic mason over 2shot BP as I don't get nightkilled very often and I thought it would shore up my weakness of being scumread often.

but even if you're mason, neither of you are confirmed town to each other, right?

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If such a world exists where you aren't scum, who is then and why?

Rat - fishing for info with the alignments. It doesn't sit right with me.



All claiming to have only drawn town cards:
Rauth
Vanilla
Ircher

At LEAST one of them is lying. The odds of all of them drawing all town cards is very slim. We've talked about this. They're on my watch list.

I also drew all town cards, or i would be mafia right now lol

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Why shouldn't I be asking about alignments?
It's vague enough that the really strong PRs remain undercover, but there's plenty of reads to be gathered from how people answer that question.

If such a world exists where you aren't scum, who is then and why?

Rat - fishing for info with the alignments. It doesn't sit right with me.



All claiming to have only drawn town cards:
Rauth
Vanilla
Ircher

At LEAST one of them is lying. The odds of all of them drawing all town cards is very slim. We've talked about this. They're on my watch list.

Looks to me like my "fishing for info" is serving its purpose just fine. So why doesn't it sit right with you?

Also you left Gerry off that list. Any particular reason why?

Ah, yea, seems I did. Gerry should be on that list as well.

Honestly forgot Gerry was in this game when making that list. Should have double checked.

I went back and ISO'd though. I would even put him in one of my top scum reads.

Are you kidding me?? One of the few games where i'm actually engaged early and giving off my thoughts and i'm forgettable still lol, can't wait to hear the reason for me being a top scumread tho

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@Rat, this is what's standing out to me as far as Gerry stands. Can you tell me why you town pinged him?

Snarky, Tiphaine, LUV, and Gerry.

You've all discarded Town roles with a negative utility ability.
It seems to me like neg utility cards would be ideal for taking the alignment, then taking a better ability.

It's not anything damning, of course, but... interesting to note.

well yes, its a bad role lol. honestly i'd choose mafia over town anyway. but i got stuck with 3 town cards and that was the worst

Admits he'd choose mafia over town, but conveniently did not have the choice. Doesn't sit right with me.

Since Radical decided to out me, I drew the following cards:

1) VT
2) Town 1-Shot Commuter
3) Town Compulsive Vigilante

lol

Maybe Gerry finds this amusing because he knows the probability of at least one of the people claiming all town lying? Perhaps he finds it funny, because he's lying about it.

Do you consider being scum as 'fun'?

i do :p

Could just be an honest answer to a simple question that has no bearing on this game. But it could also be a cheeky soft claim that no one is willing to hook onto?

so there could be literally 2 mafia right now?

Seems like gerry is trying to undersell the numbers on a scum team. Although with multi ball it's entirely possible that there are only 2 mafia right now. Who knows how many other people in other factions.

1. Because I actually like being mafia over being town? I'm sorry? How is that AI at all? Just because I like being mafia doesn't mean I am more likely to be mafia, this is reaching.

2. You scumread me for saying "lol" without even asking for the context in that situation? What?? lol. I was actually laughing because he didn't throw away the supposed VT card he got, which I found a bit strange.

3. ARE YOU REALLY SAYING I'M SOFT CLAIMING MAFIA. WHAT LOL. These can't be serious reasons for scumreading me, i literally refuse these reasons.


Let's summarize the reasons why chickadee says i'm one of her top scumreads. Because I said I like being mafia and because I said lol with no context to a post.

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And I think Gerry's play style is spammy enough that most people would shrug it off.

For instance, if I had made the post saying that playing mafia is fun, I think people would be questioning it.

First you say that you forgot I was in the game, now you're saying that my style is spammy. I don't get how you can actually find someone saying they like being mafia as AI. It's NAI at all. I'd say that as mafia or town. You should be reading the tone of my posts and not scumreading me for NAI things.

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Hey guys, I'm actually thinking that someone that threw away a mafia card could be mafia that got all 3 mafia cards. (or at least 2 mafia cards and a 3rd party) I seriously doubt they'd choose 3rd party unless it's like lyncher or something, but idk. I mostly think this because of odds.

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I'll check this thread tomorrow unless someone replies soon. goodnight all

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Hey guys, I'm actually thinking that someone that threw away a mafia card could be mafia that got all 3 mafia cards. (or at least 2 mafia cards and a 3rd party) I seriously doubt they'd choose 3rd party unless it's like lyncher or something, but idk. I mostly think this because of odds.

There is no lyncher, but I agree that discarding scum does not clear anyone.

Why don't you think they'd choose third party though?

because third party would be harder to win as. you'd be by yourself, when as mafia at least you'd have a group to work with.

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Vote Chi, Gerry.

gonna give her a chance to explain more

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Welcome aboard Riley!
3p means 3rd Party, which is just any alignment not on a team. Serial Killer and Survivor for instance. His role fits well with that I think.

Why shouldn't I be asking about alignments?
It's vague enough that the really strong PRs remain undercover, but there's plenty of reads to be gathered from how people answer that question.


Side note: I just realized I got post 69. Nice.

HEY!!! howdja know ircher's a serial eater or a survivysies?

Well, his role is a huge liability to have for Town, and a huge boon for scum. However his play also seems to be reckless and selfish, quite unbecoming of someone on a team. So either he's third party or the only one a scumteam, in which case he might as well be.

Or reckless town me.

dont like this post. sound like youre trying to convince yourself that you are town.

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I asked WHY the info I'm fishing for is scummy.
And yes, this is a game of manipulation but what bothers me is that when Sly said you seemed manipulative,

your response read as acknowledging that you were attempting to manipulate.

I will match your unvote until we get this sorted out however.
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Not my intention regarding the bolded.


I guess I'll try to explain better. Mostly, it doesn't sit right with me that you asked everyone for this information, but didn't offer it up yourself.




I read the rest of your ISO and I'm inclined to think you're town. I was too focused on that one bit. And I think you're onto something suspecting Ircher.

you said you think i'm scum, but haven't voted me yet, i don't think. why?

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how many votes on Chickadee, gonna vote her after her last few posts seemed pretty bad

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gerryoat - still off to me. The way he casually talks about potentially picking mafia cards is pinging me.

ok

VOTE: Chickadee

this is l2 or l1 idk

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gerryoat - still off to me. The way he casually talks about potentially picking mafia cards is pinging me.

ok

VOTE: Chickadee

this is l2 or l1 idk

L-2


And wow, you didn't even bother to check?

Nope, I'm lazy.

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Um, can someone explain to me what 'Scum-of-all-Trades Wagoning Vig ' is?

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gerryoat's only concern to start this day is gaining understanding a role that's no longer in the game (town points for appearing to not understand the scum role that flipped, if you were scum, you could have asked Rad in scumchat)

this is bad logic, but really, can you tell me what it means. i tried to search and couldnt find anything

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can someone please tell me what that role means??

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Scum-of-all-Trades Wagoning Vig. what is that

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thanks mod

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thanks mod

yeah sure you just FAKE TOWNSLIPPED "GERRYOAT" IF THAT IS EVEN YOUR REAL NAME

wut

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Hi morons losers bitches and all other insults I can't think of atm.

ew

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Alright so, I'm gonna reread Rat and get back to you guys later. i'm guessing he had some thouhgts about who he could think was mafia

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Why do you scum read him?

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Idk, that's why I'm asking lol

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You're too trigger happy, chill tf out. We have 9 days. I don't really have strong trs or Sr this games

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Yeah masons aren't confirmed. You can be maf mason.

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Well lol

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LMAO OMG

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Are you just 1 shot?

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I don't necessarily Sr mcmenno for it but hold on

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Did mcmenno explain why hw wouldn't want to be a 2 hit Bp survivor ???

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If he chose mason and threw away 2 hit Bp the other role must have been good

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Also I still think someone got all maf/3rd party roles and threw one away

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Also we don't lynch mcmenno rn. Mcmenno tell us everything Lil Uzi said in mason chat

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Okay we wait for him to see what was said in mason chat

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Okay we wait for him to see what was said in mason chat

Mason chat was actually scum chat.

And given that LUV was mason he would have known there are no other masons so that's a safe claim from McMenno.
I agree with McMenno lynch.

VOTE: McMenno

but he flipped mason

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ah ok, wait. i get it now. you're saying LUV was solo mason and then he just tagged along with his wolf partner as mason

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riley do you still think he's scum?

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how so?

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VOTE: McMenno

this prob needs to be lynched regardless

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Someone hammer, this needs lynch

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Idk why you'd choose mason over 2 hit bp

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Idk man, but you need rope now. Either now or future days

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Lynch it

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Gg I'm lynched on mcmenno

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Lyncher*

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Yes I'm bad town like usual.

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Explain why you shouldn't be the optimal lynch when your partner just flipped scum

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ok so how did i get a bloodsucker shot. i thought someone else was inventor too lol