Open 676 - Jungle Republic (Game Over)

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hey all

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to me, it seemed sensible. It was so early to put someone at L-2. There was hardly any content to go on. I completely concurred with Sesq.

Yeah but I get where Eddie is coming from. Also.

@Sesq why did you feel the need to answer for me? Even if that's what you felt why'd you answer a question directed at me?

Do you by chance play on any other sites as "Hawk" ?

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so Eddie Cain may have derpcleared himself

at least giving a day pass and maybe a couple

also sesq looks pretty decent in that I don't think he faked not knowing there were 5 non-town. and I think if you were non-town you'd be pretty aware

both of these are on my general assumption that people don't intentionally derpclear themselves nearly as often as people think they're faked. most of the time they're just real

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to me, it seemed sensible. It was so early to put someone at L-2. There was hardly any content to go on. I completely concurred with Sesq.

Yeah but I get where Eddie is coming from. Also.

@Sesq why did you feel the need to answer for me? Even if that's what you felt why'd you answer a question directed at me?

Do you by chance play on any other sites as "Hawk" ?

No I adopted this moniker here. I have used Hawk as a name when playing TOS but typically use other Monikers.

I don't play a lot of forum mafia outside of this site.

gotcha. I've just played elsewhere with a Hawk, as you might have inferred

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bit confused by creature giving townreads out that early. though I've played with creature so I should probably not be surprised by anything

but if you're a wolf, it immediately starts limiting your options. counter to that is that nobody is going to hold him to those reads so maybe it's actually fine for wolves to do

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And do explain to me why someone who is scum would vote for someone who already has votes.

It's oppurtunistic like maybe we accidentally flash lynch this.

You're also not responding to the pressure on your wagon well.

I have a hard time believing you believe this. there's never going to be a quicklynch at that point in the game or even soon

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mozamis some good tone feels

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And do explain to me why someone who is scum would vote for someone who already has votes.

It's oppurtunistic like maybe we accidentally flash lynch this.

You're also not responding to the pressure on your wagon well.

I have a hard time believing you believe this. there's never going to be a quicklynch at that point in the game or even soon

You're right I dont. But momo didn't seem to think there was anything behind his vote. Don't nitpick me because Momo failed reaction tests.

Now go back and answer my question I asked Momo. In which post do you think I started SRing your slot?

I don't think suggesting that a vote was scummy because it could have led to a flash wagon is actually a reaction test. I think you're now calling it one because it's the best alternative to trying to argue that you believed what you wrote.

I don't know what relevance there is to me answering a question you asked momo, but I'll humor you. When you said "woah woah what"

Now why did you ask momo that and why, especially, did you ask me that?

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Don't like the replacement. His posts say nothing. The reads concerning Sesq and Eddie potential slips are a good way to appear to be scumhunting instead of actual scumhunting.

He provide the read about Moz without giving reasons. The part about Creature is inconclusive. His entrance is scummy.

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I also didn't like the initial post by Dry-Fit, and the sudden unvote makes me uneasy.

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For townreads at the moment, I like BBT and Creature. My views and BBT right now click. Since I know I"m reading stuff from a town POV, I would say that he is doing it too right now. This would be concerning later, but I'm ok with that for D1.

Creature, can I get a list of your various townreads?

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Read panther posts again. Can we get a bigger wagon on him, pleasd?

my posts do not say nothing. and what, pray tell, should they say after 5 minutes reading through the massive 4 pages of the thread
the reads on sesq and eddie do not "appear to be scumhunting" because they're townhunting. but good job using the buzzwords of "appear to be scumhunting" when you don't know what that actually means
the reason for the moz read was very apparently stated

your post has reached new heights of calling things that which they are not. you were calling my slot scum before I arrived and now you're taking my posts and trying to construe them in such a way that you can keep calling my slot scum. agenda-y

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VOTE: lucca

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it's not about replacing as a blanket term, it's this replacement

I'd have blacklisted the guy if I got a scum role pm. while he's out here replacing into games left and right

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Hawk- ok. I still don't know what the point of asking me to answer momos question was though.

Lucca- have you never heard of a tone read? And if you wanted to know what seemed good tone wise from moz, well then you ask. Instead you call me scummy for it and double down on it again now

There were two pretty blatant derpclears so I didn't exactly drop hot fire nor claim to. People discounted those posts and I offered my opinion that they're probably legit

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Reading Lucas post you'd think we are on page 100

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I've deleted multiple patronizing lines so far I hope mods are noticing

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Guys...slow it down. I can't keep up with this rapid pace of posting

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Wanna hear dry's response there before I jump in on that one

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I much prefer live interaction with people to get a good read on them..so I'll be trying to poke in here often throughout the workday to see if anyone is around. if you're lurking, say hi

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Creature is online.....HI I SEE YOU

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Atleast your predecessor was momo.

Any thoughts on Hawk? eddie? lucca?

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I picked the people with the most posts, but now looking at those names I think they are all voting my slot actually lol

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unofficial vc

Panther

Momo

: Hawk, BlueBloodedToffee, lucca261, Sesq
BlueBloodedToffee: Dongempire, mozamis
Mozamis: Revan
Revan: Creature
Sesq: Dry-Fit
lucca261: Panther
Dry-Fit: Hamm T Smiggles

Not Voting: Eddie Cane

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-13 21:00:00)

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Atleast your predecessor was momo.

Any thoughts on Hawk? eddie? lucca?

Hawk looks town.

Eddie not so much.

I liked lucca's 11.

Can you expound on hawk?

I think Eddie is pretty likely to be town...what don't you like?

Liking 11 may be a leak...that's not a town-indicative post. if you're liking it for "serious vote." if you're liking it for any other reason please illuminate it for me

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I have a secret read kinda that I just picked up from playing in a multiball game. Looking forward to see if it plays out but this game is tumbleweeds.gif

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4 pages is more than enough to form reads on people, especially when we got out of rvs pretty swiftly.

You gave 2 reads in reflection of the first 4 pages. What is your gripe?

Also, it doesnt matter if you are appearing to town or scumhunt. Keyword there is still "appear" in both words. And the moz read was just a feels read according to you. I mean, thats not a legitimate excuse for a proper read, is it

Can you delineate scumhunting/townhunting from 'appearing' to do so?
A tone read is a read. It's a part of how I play.

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BTD6_maker 9
BlueBloodedToffee 7
Dongempire 5
Dry-fit 3
Prof Hamm T Smiggles III 2
Revan 2

good stuff

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The game is alive!

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reading someone on tone is okay. But it isnt a legitimate reason.

BTD6_maker 9
BlueBloodedToffee 7
Dongempire 5
Dry-fit 3
Prof Hamm T Smiggles III 2
Revan 2

good stuff

?

lol

and those are post counts

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Also, it doesnt matter if you are appearing to town or scumhunt. Keyword there is still "appear" in both words. And the moz read was just a feels read according to you. I mean, thats not a legitimate excuse for a proper read, is it

this all looks a bit contrived and force.
i thoguth panthers post made sense. A "feels" read IS a read.

sesq agreed
and reads are all FEELS as to whether or not you FEEL someone is being natural or whether you FEEL they are imitating what is natural

this game actually has a bit of a uniqueness to it in that GOOD LOOKING NATURAL FEELING scumhunting isn't actually town-indicative

because ww's are uninformed and hunting mafia and vice versa. so the scum in this game don't have 100% info and can appear to be scumhunting naturally because they ARE scumhunting naturally

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Could do Eddie.

no Eddie no Sesq today

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but his thought process is towny.

which thought process specifically?

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Ah shit.

Will get to this ASAP tomorrow.

In the meantime I'm going to go see if I can't get a feel for your metas

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creature you ignored my questions too
.

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I'm vla weekends but I don't do the official vla procedures or whatever

Skimmed this page..will make one contentfuo comment..

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that might be the worst reads list I've seen

"contributing but voted me"

"literally nothing"

"policy lynch"

"literally nothing"

But why does that make sesq mafia?

you said you'd give some reads and posted 2 things that don't even slightly indicate alignment, a policy lynch, and a tr followed by shade.

that benefits town how?

Wouldn't you think scum would force something that's more stance-y?

idk I just used to make these same arguments as you too til I figured out I kinda had that piece backwards most times

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still think sesq is town and shouldn't be a wagon

I could get behind

VOTE: creature

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hey panther, what did you think of my unvote on you?

the part that I don't like about tje Sesq readslist is that the second part is way more detailed than the first. like, he only gave reasonin after being asked to. that is inconsistent to what I know of her play. meh

I had to go back and find it...I remember thinking it didn't quite align with our back and forth at the time. that's about it

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BBT questioning Eddie on revan thing looked really villagy

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I'm also getting the feeling that our resident lowposters may contain a lot of scum

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Panther why is Sesq town?

I think his post when he said something along the lines of "oh shit 5 anti-town" felt genuine. I think scum are well aware and don't even think to try to make a post like that to get some towncred

and I've had no problems with his posts since

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just iso'd revan and recall I liked his thought in 172 about moz having trouble making scumreads. that's villagy perspective and it mirrors a read I'm hoping to apply in this game once we have a bit larger of a post sample

need more but if we had to chinese fire drill a lynch right now I wouldn't go there

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bumpski

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unofficial VC

Sesq: Dry-Fit, Eddie Cane, mozamis, BlueBloodedToffee - L-3
Dongempire: lucca261, Hawk, Hamm T Smiggles - L-4
Creature: Sesq, PantherPunt - L-5
Lucca261: Dongempire - L-6
Mozamis: Revan - L-6
Revan: Creature - L-6


Not Voting:

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-13 21:00:00)

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@Panther
1: can you change your name? Its hard not to call you PantherCunt.
2:That vote is just low man.
@sesq
https://youtu.be/iYVO5bUFww0
Hah!
you cant be fucking serious. Give me a second vote to vote this guy and lucca.
So the only time you're going to push someone is when pressured to do so. God dammit, genuineity is flowing in your veins.
And its creature, someone you had no interest in for at least 5 pages and someobe who's posted jack shit since then too. Great choice mate.

You can just call me Panther. Why is the vote low?

And villagy=towny

I mess up my parlance bc I play on a site with werewolf/village terminology used a lot

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Panther why is Sesq town?

I think his post when he said something along the lines of "oh shit 5 anti-town" felt genuine. I think scum are well aware and don't even think to try to make a post like that to get some towncred

and I've had no problems with his posts since

you dont see how this could be faked?

of course it can be faked. everything in mafia can "be faked." it's picking and choosing what you find fake vs what you find genuine.

why do you ask me? what were you looking to find out?

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:/ is that all?

VOTE: Creature

@Creature Give me 4 townreads and a scumread with reasoning if you please.

do you have 4 townreads?

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Panther why is Sesq town?

I think his post when he said something along the lines of "oh shit 5 anti-town" felt genuine. I think scum are well aware and don't even think to try to make a post like that to get some towncred

and I've had no problems with his posts since

you dont see how this could be faked?

of course it can be faked. everything in mafia can "be faked." it's picking and choosing what you find fake vs what you find genuine.

why do you ask me? what were you looking to find out?

because its a pretty dumb reason to tr me when you dont actually show why it isnt fake

i smell buddying

I can't show why it isn't fake outside of telling you "I believed you". if I could, well that would be an alignment investigation on you now wouldn't it?

in my experience, scum take the line you're taking much more often than town. because they think it looks towny. you're not doing that, are you?

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I'm about to get on the road, fyi

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yeah the way you're approaching this really irks me, along with some of the early shit i'm more looking into (im on page 6 with re-read)

you have no reason to automatically believe me and the fact that you do is suspicious and this looks like a buddying scheme.

oh didn't see your response.

ya I'm not really sure how to have a meaningful conversation around this since it's literally a question of whether or not believing what someone else believed. tah tah

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I'm about to get on the road, fyi

yeah this is totally buddying youre completely dodging this

combined with earlier shit VOTE: PantherPunt

what am I dodging? and what has changed in the last 5 minutes that now a vote is merited?

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cant catch up now but just looked at activity overview and revan at 8 posts can die

think dry fits 8 were way more substantial but aorn wouldnt hate the ole 'sort by post count and become mafia expert' approach

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binked my ass

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I was close to being back on time.

Revan V/LA'd til deadline lolwtf this site is so dumb

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V/LA til June 15th let me know who the scum were

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in case einstein takes that literally

twas a joke

lynch creature or revan idgaf

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I'll switch if that's helpful. I'll make sure I check in on this regularly over the weekend.

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Lynch creature. He's got to be scum. Not one real thought about this game...town creature manages

some

VOTE: Creature

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i'll say this because of:

Hawk was at Creature and on Revan.
Mozamis was at Creature and on Revan.
BBT was at Creature and on Revan.
LUV entered the thread subtly promoting a wagon on Creature, then voted Revan.

the other three on the wagon were Creature, Eddie and me.

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let's start with scum (both mafia and wolves) knowing that Revan is town (or at least, member of the other faction), and, therefore, knowing that he's a safe lynch.
it's extremely unlikely that the four of them are town. there are probably members of the two factions on these 4 players.
this shows me that Creature is being pushed by two factions. he's probably town too. unless this is a bus, or LUV and Creature are scum together.
If Creature and Revan were both mislynches, there is a lynch that was being countered.

that is probably Sesq.

Hawk and Hamm were on both Creature and Revan, on different times. together, separate.
I'll check the ISOS.

you say it's extremely unlikely that the four are town

but why can't the four be some combination of town and a faction opposite of creature's?
and I'd have to look at LUV 'subtly' pushing creature...but based on that description, nothing preventing LUV being on same faction as creature. if it looked like the ship was sinking, a bro would want to get what piece of cred he could

so now I'm left thinking that this is a towny looking thought process that most would see as a town post
but you ultimately are arriving at creature=town on presumptive and logicfail conclusions
so are you protecting creature? or just fail to consider that those points in no way point to townCreature

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^this feels like opportunistic hop

might be confbias

lol I didn't even look at a VC...could have been a hammer

but if you could expound on this thought I might be able to have some conversation on it with you
make you feel better about me
make me feel better about you (still think I binked the derpclear read but we'll see. still slightly weirded out by how HARD you rejected it and called it a pocket attempt)

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Town is Lucca, Me, Moz, Creature.

I'm not entirely sold on Sesq, Panther, and BBT but at least one is town rest have to be scum.

Hamm I wasn't convinced today. Little more convinced today.

IT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE TO HAVE THOSE TOWN READS (it doesn't make any sense to have townreads in general in multiball - except town slips)

what prevents them from being scum iyo?

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the only two people that makes sense for one of Creature partners who were on the wagon are

me and LUV

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just LUV.

I don't see it.

Hawk and Hamm are very possible partners for Sesq. or just one of them if they're the wolves.

So you're completely discounting that a creature partner could have voted creature. Possibly fine.

Funny you noted that you make sense for a Creature partner. makes me think you wouldn't be so damn overt if you are. And seeing those three posts in succession from you makes me moreso believe it's genuine thought rather than contrived agenda

You can kinda forget the question in my previous post. I was in your ISO and started at the end and when I hit that post I didn't like it an replied. Then went to reading posts in thread order.

Context is funnt

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Wtf.

Uh hope everything is ok

Aside- have I posted more VCs than mod? Can we have more please oh mighty mod

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Anyone else wanna bail jfc

Such a fuckup to the game and not what anyone wants. Not the game I thought I joined. It also tanks our win equity further every time

I'll dive into this bitch tomorrow..hope there's some content from subs

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official V/LA til Tuesday 3/21

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official V/LA til Tuesday 3/21

shall we just lynch this? Jesus, this game...

Why on Earth would you say this when I'm back after 3 days? You better have said the same thing about each replace out. Jesus titty fucking Christ

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Not opposed to Panther. Do you guys think he tactically went on v/LA?

And you better have suggested tactical replace outs. There are 9 days left this phase

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lolololololol

Is this game one big troll

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wow...just wow.

I have started and finished two games since subbing into this one. a 12,000 post 23er and a 3,000 post 13er. I don't even remember this game.

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In another site?

yes ofc

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I'm gonna try something real quick that someone did in a previous game...hopefully works bbiab

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I spent way too much time trying to get this into a scatter plot...and I don't even like how it looks. Just posting the data best I can in a sec..

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Player	% of Total Game Posts	% of Posts Hamm Quoted or @
Revan	1%	3%
Dongempire + Fro99er	6%	8%
Prof Hamm T Smiggles III	6%	0%
BlueBloodedToffee	7%	16%
Creature	7%	19%
Lil Uzi Vert + Dry Fit	8%	19%
PantherPunt + momo	9%	0%
Eddie Cane	9%	5%
Darklyn + lucca261	10%	0%
mozamis	11%	5%
Hawk	11%	19%
Sesq	15%	5%

alright...this looks to compare how much a player posted vs. how much Hamm quoted those posts or @'d a player with commentary (he liked that convention)

what this normally tells you:
% of game posts much lower than % of Hamm interactions: not a partner
% of game posts much higher than % of Hamm interactions: high likelihood to be partner

so, not a partner list from this:
BBT
Creature
Lil Uzi Vert
Hawk

likely to be a partner:
me
Sesq
Darklyn (lucca)

think it's actually borderline lock on it being Darklyn
VOTE: Darklyn

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guess I should read the darklyn/lucca side of iso too. brb

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about LUV's catchup:

meh. don't like it. too much IIoA, and not so much content. I find it concerning that after that big catchup, I don't know any of his reads or views on the game. anyway, LUV is not the lynch for today. a couple questions for him:

- top three scumreads
- what's your opinion on the dong-myself discussion, since it was one of the proeminent points on the game?

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502, @sesq, I actually liked this Sesq post. honestly, don't know why, but it gave me a gut town feel.

503, @eddie, explain your change to Revan.

hey hamm, do you want to vote me? do it. I'm not getting lynched, though.

like Hawk exchange with BBT. probably both are town.

this is super weird bc it's straight out of the blue.
Hamm put lucca on a 4-person lynchpool list all the way back in post 359.

lucca had been up to speed on the thread and not calling up posts from that timeframe really, as you can see by the posts he linked here
pretty ugly looking distancing iyam

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hey sesq explain your scumread on me.

waiting for BBT to come back before putting Hamm on L-1.

I feel like I'm being mislead by scum and it sucks.

Day 2 VC 3

Hamm T Smiggles: Dongempire, mozamis, Hawk, Lil Uzi Vert -

L-2

Lil Uzi Vert: Creature - L-5
Sesq: lucca261 - L-5
Creature: PantherPunt - L-5

Not Voting: Sesq, Hamm T Smiggles, BlueBloodedToffee

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-27 18:00:00)

With 10 players, it's 6 to lynch!

pretty fair to say that he really didn't want to vote Hamm here but his hand was forced by lack of counterwagon. but he was damn sure trying. and the "feel like I'm being misled" was a nice touch to try to potentially steer conversation away from a Hamm lynch

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Day 2 VC 8

Hamm T Smiggles: Dongempire, mozamis, Lil Uzi Vert, Darklyn, Sesq, Hawk -

LYNCH

Creature: PantherPunt, Hamm T Smiggles - L-4
Dongempire: Creature - L-5

Not Voting: BlueBloodedToffee,

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-27 18:00:00)

I am still searching for replacements for BlueBloodedToffee and Dongempire.

With 10 players, it's 6 to lynch!

ya...looking at this VC, Hamm's buddy most definitely bussed him. confident in my read that Hamm not w/ BBT or Creature

so Darklyn it most likely is. had a nice post like "have to imagine one of LUV and Hamm are scum" while voting LUV
nice move so if LUV gets lynched you can say "oh see I said there was one between him and Hamm!!!" if Hamm eventually flipped before Darklyn.

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Here, hi.

Lynch darklyn then it's all lynches from there

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Sesq and maybe even moz are the other possibilities. I just am pretty sure it's darklyn and not either of them

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DUNN

HOWS THAT WEREWOLF PN TASTE

YOURE GOING DOWN

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Interest regained

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Oh I'm being voted seems about right for mafiascum

Dunn outed and his posts show it too

Lynch him. If you don't, lynch me so I can be done with this abortion

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Hey Panther, I don't know what happened to you but if you'd like we can discuss the possibility of Chronicle being a wolf

you say this as if you have thoughts on it. care to share?

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4v3v1

lynch WW
we guarantee tomorrow is 4v3 LYLO (right? game wouldn't continue with day start being 3-3?)

lynch mafia
4v2v1
tomorrow is either:
4v1v1
or
3v2v1

obviously the best outcome is 4v1v1 tomorrow but it relies on lynching mafia and the ww being good enough (or us being collectively right enough to steer) to shoot mafia. it is correct for the ww to town-side right now at least

gotta stew on this for a sec but I automatically came in thinking lynch the ww is best move

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I think we can get an idea of who is scum by analyzing the Dong kill a bit more.

how's that now?

and are you using "scum" as the generic form

or talking specifically about the mafia faction?

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ok...was kinda checking if you understood who has kills and who doesn't

why could it have not been the case that the ww just thought that they were shooting mafia? so him being widely scumread might just correspond to the ww having a scumread. is this what you're saying? it kinda feels like you're saying the opposite - that someone who townread him killed him

clarify for me?

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Day 3 VC 6

PantherPunt: Sesq, Hawk- L-3
Creature: PantherPunt, Dunnstral, mozamis -

L-2

Not Voting: Creature, Chronicle, Lil Uzi Vert

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-04-13 16:30:00)

With 8 players, it's 5 to lynch!

I'm voting Dunn not Creature what the fuck?

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ok...was kinda checking if you understood who has kills and who doesn't

why could it have not been the case that the ww just thought that they were shooting mafia? so him being widely scumread might just correspond to the ww having a scumread. is this what you're saying? it kinda feels like you're saying the opposite - that someone who townread him killed him

clarify for me?

Well, that could be the case, but I don't think so. Dong played like obvious lynch bait. If a WW suspected he was mafia, I'm sure he or she would've made the effort to try to get him lynched today since it clearly would've not been such a daunting task given his play. He also had no one in his corner going into today other than me.

What I'm trying to say though is that he was easy to push on so wasting a kill on him was suboptimal. This led me to my original theory regarding the Frog meta read but that doesn't really check out here I think. Mainly because I think Creature is the only player here with more than a game or two with Frog. My experience with Creature as well Hamm's push on him makes me think the likelihood of him being the last wolf and making such a kill is very slim.

WW has to be Hawk or Sesq by PoE.

My analysis pointed to lucca or sesq

I just have liked my townread on sesq. but maybe it actually is sesq. the time she(he?) freaked out on me for townreading her(him?) was weird and is still sitting funny in the back of my mind

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ok...was kinda checking if you understood who has kills and who doesn't

why could it have not been the case that the ww just thought that they were shooting mafia? so him being widely scumread might just correspond to the ww having a scumread. is this what you're saying? it kinda feels like you're saying the opposite - that someone who townread him killed him

clarify for me?

Well, that could be the case, but I don't think so. Dong played like obvious lynch bait. If a WW suspected he was mafia, I'm sure he or she would've made the effort to try to get him lynched today since it clearly would've not been such a daunting task given his play. He also had no one in his corner going into today other than me.

What I'm trying to say though is that he was easy to push on so wasting a kill on him was suboptimal. This led me to my original theory regarding the Frog meta read but that doesn't really check out here I think. Mainly because I think Creature is the only player here with more than a game or two with Frog. My experience with Creature as well Hamm's push on him makes me think the likelihood of him being the last wolf and making such a kill is very slim.

WW has to be Hawk or Sesq by PoE.

My analysis pointed to lucca or sesq

I just have liked my townread on sesq. but maybe it actually is sesq. the time she(he?) freaked out on me for townreading her(him?) was weird and is still sitting funny in the back of my mind

This:

Panther why is Sesq town?

I think his post when he said something along the lines of "oh shit 5 anti-town" felt genuine. I think scum are well aware and don't even think to try to make a post like that to get some towncred

and I've had no problems with his posts since

you dont see how this could be faked?

of course it can be faked. everything in mafia can "be faked." it's picking and choosing what you find fake vs what you find genuine.

why do you ask me? what were you looking to find out?

because its a pretty dumb reason to tr me when you dont actually show why it isnt fake

i smell buddying

I'm about to get on the road, fyi

yeah this is totally buddying youre completely dodging this

combined with earlier shit VOTE: PantherPunt

the follow up where I said I was about to drive home from work (then stayed and kept posting with sesq lol) doesn't make sense to trigger a "YA NOW ITS FOR SURE BUDDYING"

it's bugged me since then. but if you put a gun to my head with a gun in my hand and dunn and sesq standing there I shoot dunn

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lol and then I read dunns 1120-1125 and feels like a genuine stream of conscious mind changing of someone evaluating for real

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Hello panther

hi

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I mean, creature hasnt exactly looked town. But he keeps getting pushed, makes me feel like he's mafias lynch bait?

Or mafia

Why wasn't he lynched day 1?

He's been getting pushed all game but we can't lynch him

ya, noted resistance to it ever happening and he keeps playing the skate-by game

I've been fairly confident he's mafia each day but can never seem to rile votes

makes me wanna go back and see who was running up the counterwagons to him and if there is overlap. doing that

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DUNN

HOWS THAT WEREWOLF PN TASTE

YOURE GOING DOWN

I still don't understand how the table means that the slot is wolf. Can you explain in better?

it's a working theory that mafia are less likely to quote the posts of or directly address their partners proportionally with the amount that that person is posting in the game

someone else worded it well "they talk about each other but not to each other" as often. this has worked already in a previous game and I can cite that if you'd like

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bah the thread of that other game is locked. so you can't quote posts of old games ever?

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viewtopic.php?p=8836067#p8836067

linking should work?

firebringer was partner.

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ok, i think dunn is probably town. he respinded to me in real time" and he sounds honest about Uzi.

So town: Me, Dunn, Hawk, Sesq
Wolf: panther (scum not hammering cos they are thinking "shit, he might be town, we dont want that blood on our hands"

Scum: Uzi, Chron,Creature

For the record, every time Uzi posts I'm more and more convinced his scum. He has that really "restricted" air abotu his posts. Game i was in with him when he was town he was so much more open abotu his reads, and much more fo a town leader, and more bantery, and...himself. He is not the same in this game.

I think we have to kill the wolf and hope that town unite tomorrow. I cant see the wolf agreeing to kill scum?

VOTE PANTHER

I think you're town

But wrong on the worst thing you can be wrong about atm

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GET YER ARSE ON PANTHER, DUNN!

I saw momo replacing out and looked at panther in a new light

as if he could possibly be an annoyed townie rather than blatant scum

I'm considering it at least

And I know creature isn't wolf - I called him decidedly mafia

It's definitely annoyed. Primarily at myself for continuing to sign up for stuff here when I have a little lull elsehwere. Games last for months and you have half the game replace out, sometimes twice, every game

I've played two games on MU and one game on twoplustwo since this started. refuse to sub out of games or I would have purely bc I don't enjoy playing this game here

sorry to everyone else bc as I read that I realize it's not the most fair thing..but still best option I can muster up

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@ MOD: me, panther and Dunn are voting for Creature

lol oh. don't think was done nefariously

just want to put a major PSA out there...

mods should be looking at votes not relying purely on hearsay

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And what about the Dunn outing his posts thing you mentioned previously?

Well at that time I was pretty high on it being lucca/darklyn so I was trying to rile him up and see how he handled it

then I was gone for a few days so it didn't exactly work out. didn't really glean anything as he didn't get worked up or really even acknowledge that. decided that I don't know what that means alignment-wise. I think if he got a little fiery toward me I would have been able to tell if it was real or not

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I'm also not sure that the post thing is a good way to make associatives. It worked then probably because it was a long game, and you're analyzing newbscum, prone to make stereotypical scum plays. I'm not sure those apply to this game.

It's a working theorum. I'll know the answer eventually anyways. we shall see

bit worried I'm wrong on the slot but that it's mafia and you're trying to pull the rug out from my point

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Townreads: Moz and Prof.

why did you town read Prof back here, when you had no interaction with her, had not mentioned her at all?

why are you calling Prof by a female pronoun?

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nvm its listed. should have looked first

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if you wanna talk about resistance to a lynch, I was surprised at how lucca/darklyn went over like a lead balloon. maybe I was wrong there and it's a maf slot then? however creature has had ongoing resistance the entire game. has been a wagon hanging around every time but despite zero change in the reason for that, we can never get it to go

@moz I'm kinda with you on that most confident piece over the wolf piece. bc now either way I win with that sweet sweet postgame cred on Dunn (that's mostly a joke)

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Spoiler:

Day 1 VC 7

Dongempire: lucca261, Hawk, Hamm T Smiggles -

L-4

Sesq: Dry-Fit, Eddie Cane, mozamis -

L-4

Lucca261: PantherPunt, Dongempire - L-5
PantherPunt: BlueBloodedToffee - L-6
Mozamis: Revan - L-6
Revan: Creature - L-6
Eddie Cane: Sesq - L-6

Not Voting:

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-13 21:00:00)

With 12 players, it's 7 to lynch!

unofficial VC

Sesq: Dry-Fit, Eddie Cane, mozamis, BlueBloodedToffee - L-3
Dongempire: lucca261, Hawk, Hamm T Smiggles - L-4
Creature: Sesq, PantherPunt - L-5
Lucca261: Dongempire - L-6
Mozamis: Revan - L-6
Revan: Creature - L-6


Not Voting:

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-13 21:00:00)

Sesq's 341 and other recent stuff is kinda OK. I don't want to lynch BBT, Panther, or Dong. I think we should lynch one of Creature, Revan, mozamis, or Lucca.

VOTE: Creature has the best wagon composition out of my lynch-pool at the moment.

I feel like this should clear Creature alone. Scum just don't attempt to bus like this.

I disagree with using these posts to draw that conclusion


Why are we voting hawk

why do you think that does not lead to a conclusion that creature and hamm aren't together? have you done any other reading to inform your opinion on that being a possibility vs. something to rule out?

have you ruled out any partners?

why aren't you captaining or at least posting more?

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So creature is on l-1?

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Spoiler:

Day 1 VC 7

Dongempire: lucca261, Hawk, Hamm T Smiggles -

L-4

Sesq: Dry-Fit, Eddie Cane, mozamis -

L-4

Lucca261: PantherPunt, Dongempire - L-5
PantherPunt: BlueBloodedToffee - L-6
Mozamis: Revan - L-6
Revan: Creature - L-6
Eddie Cane: Sesq - L-6

Not Voting:

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-13 21:00:00)

With 12 players, it's 7 to lynch!

unofficial VC

Sesq: Dry-Fit, Eddie Cane, mozamis, BlueBloodedToffee - L-3
Dongempire: lucca261, Hawk, Hamm T Smiggles - L-4
Creature: Sesq, PantherPunt - L-5
Lucca261: Dongempire - L-6
Mozamis: Revan - L-6
Revan: Creature - L-6


Not Voting:

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-13 21:00:00)

Sesq's 341 and other recent stuff is kinda OK. I don't want to lynch BBT, Panther, or Dong. I think we should lynch one of Creature, Revan, mozamis, or Lucca.

VOTE: Creature has the best wagon composition out of my lynch-pool at the moment.

I feel like this should clear Creature alone. Scum just don't attempt to bus like this.

I disagree with using these posts to draw that conclusion


Why are we voting hawk

why do you think that does not lead to a conclusion that creature and hamm aren't together? have you done any other reading to inform your opinion on that being a possibility vs. something to rule out?

have you ruled out any partners?

why aren't you captaining or at least posting more?

I said they're not partners - but the posts uzi quoted lower my opinion on him (alignment wise)

How come you seem sure I'm mafia

You misunderstand. I think you're the werewolf

And I think your participation in this game has reflected an attitude of lazy dgaf that I am guessing has to do with you thinking your prospects of winning are slim to none

And it's based on associations with Hamm. And you asking that question means you're not reading my posts or just strugglebussing in terms of what to say to me

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And sesq is voting hawk

This mod is fucking up every single vote count. lol it's not hard

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VOTE: Hawk

Day 3 VC 7

PantherPunt: Sesq, Hawk - L-3
Dunnstral: PantherPunt - L-4
Creature: Dunnstral, Hawk, mozamis - L-2
Hawk: Lil Uzi Vert - L-4

Not Voting: Creature, Chronicle

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-04-13 16:30:00)

With 8 players, it's 5 to lynch!

Same page even.

Maybe if I just say everyone is voting for dunnstral I can get my way and mod will flip him

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Dunn is the werewolf. Dunn is the werewolf. Dunn is the werewolf. Or at least mafia. But he's the werewolf

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VOTE: sesq

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why is panther suddenly "really fucking town" (wait nvm, you said something afterward i kinda agree with)

this is an intentional display of thought progression. it is faked.

town don't ask the question then parenthetically say nvm. they just remove the question when they realize it's already been answered. because they're ACTUALLY looking for information rather than putting on a show for others and trying to appear to be looking for information

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idk what the vc is but that's a lock for not-town. and if I'm wrong on dunn, then I think sesq is the ww.

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unofficial VC

Sesq: PantherPunt - L-4
Creature: Dunnstral, Chronicle - L-3
Hawk: Lil Uzi Vert, Sesq - L-3
Panther Punt: Creature - L-4
Lil Uzi Vert: mozamis - L-4

Not Voting: Hawk


vote sesq for great justice

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I just realized with 5/8 needed to lynch, that if we wagon mafia, all town + the werewolf need to vote to make that lynch happen

Whereas if wagoning wolf or town, L-1 probably pretty easy to get to

So unless Creature was getting bussed in this spot, he's probably just town.

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VOTE: Creature

L-1

Just gone thru his ISO.
This is Chron's first vote since he enetered the game.
Surely scum?

Agreed, bc

Do you think PantherPunt is town?

Null on Panther.

You should not have a null on d3 when the game is 4v3v1
And having a null on ME of all people strains credulity

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@ panther - I'm drifting towards Sesq scum as well.
But we have 2 votes on Uzi, who is SO NOT TOWN. Get over here, we need you
Goes for Hawk too.

Join me!

Though these length games really don't suit me. And I'll hammer pretty much anyone but you on l-1. So anyone, essentially

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Ah, screw it. I've been overthinking this game for far too long.
@ hawk maybe you're right about Creature. Uzi and

Sesq

seem to think he's town, and they're probably

scum

. Maybe you're the wolf, maybe not. Prob not lol Anyway, I'd

rather be with you than Sesq

and Uzi.

VOTE CREATURE

WHY NOT GO SESQ THEN from uzi

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Creature on L-2 and that's seemingly where there is potential momentum, but nobody willing to vote sesq has been NOTED

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to be clear, that wasn't moz shade

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good to know the masses aren't blind

and yes, you can imply from here i think creature might be scum, but probably not.

if so, with whom? "with me" is not an acceptable answer because it is 100% objectively wrong.

Lol sounds like a werewolf claim.

I know it wasn't intentional regardless of whether you are or aren't

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Oh creature is on l-1 not l-2

Sesq you gotta townside and kill maf tonight. Luv is probably the shot

VOTE: creature

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That's a hammer

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Basically just gonna start from zero on Monday reread the whole game and worldbuild

Happy Easter or regular old Sunday to you, whichever you prefer

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Don't do anything til you here from me on everyone. I was way busier than expected yday (and devoted some time to another game offsite... :sheepish:) and today probably can't dive in for about 7 hours.

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hear*

dear fucking goodness that one makes me want to go punish myself

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and that's a joke, in case any of you are the kind to worry about that. (I may be if I saw someone else)

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hey..sorry I have failed to deliver twice now.

draw is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen why would htat even be mentioned

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I'll vote chronicle without reading shit before this game has another replacement. if chron is a villager it's not our faults it's the horrible atrocious participation meta here

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VOTE: chronicle

almost clicked his iso but noped right before the go button

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I hope we lost I want to be freed from this hell

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VOTE: uzi

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Gl us I vote we nightskip either way. Maybe only scum can agree to that though in this format

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lol it's gotta be Dunn

But I'll have a serious look later today

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I think I'm never voting moz so I actually don't care about the order but I really think it's dunn

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VOTE: dunn

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Gg

Thanks for mod btd I'm sure it was just as painful for you

See you guys again... sometime... maybe

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Wow

Whoever is town DO NOT VOTE yet. Game got real and I'll have to spend time on this please lets review this carefully. I need til at least end of Monday

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This was a sweep if I didn't have shit partners.

Suck my dick

Fuck mafiascum

This game wasn't mafia

Mono should be banned imo

Gg town

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Mild apology for saying smd but sentiment remains

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momo subbed out of this game and IMMEDIATELY subbed into another game (maybe more than one?)

that's subbing out strategically and it should be harshly punished