Micro 701: Defiance Mafia II - Game Over

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

I'm really not against lynching Dreal because as you said you're playing less anti town than he is.
However if he is actually town then we fall from possible majority to not. Even more so with the night actions that can easily pick town off.
As I said it's down to what the other players think but I can't see town winning by not lynching scum. You could always give up your buddy?

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

How is it I never see you as town, Charloux? Just a side thought lol.

[drealmerz7]

I was trying to have fun

and then 1SVT and thejester showed inability to comprehend what I was trying to do and just shit all over it

now I'm just pissy cause I feel like I've been beatin gmy head against a wall of stupidity

[Charloux]

I'm really not against lynching Dreal because as you said you're playing less anti town than he is.
However if he is actually town then we fall from possible majority to not. Even more so with the night actions that can easily pick town off.
As I said it's down to what the other players think but I can't see town winning by not lynching scum. You could always give up your buddy?

There would be no point in me doing this if i were modkilled
I won't ruin the game and say who it is, but i have no problems if you tell me to hammer

[Charloux]

How is it I never see you as town, Charloux? Just a side thought lol.

I doubt even god will live to see us in the same team

[drealmerz7]

how am I playing anti-town, 1SVT? I've laid out my theory about how I think the game is

no one seems interested in even considering it as possible

just because no one wants to consider it doesn't mean it's going to make me change my thoughts

I've thought it over and over, and I still think that we can ALL win the game if we reach peace

[drealmerz7]

you think it's anti-town to not want to kill anyone if I think not killing anyone wins everyone the game? H OW DOES THAT EVEN MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE!?!?!?

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

As I said, when you're ready to discuss the no lynch situation we can talk.

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

Slow reply right now going out to where signal is very limited

[drealmerz7]

As I said, when you're ready to discuss the no lynch situation we can talk.

what is there to discuss? you can't even comprehend the words I've said about it

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

You can start by going over from scratch. Ignore what has been said and explain why we win with a no lynch.
You say that I can't read but no one is listening to you, that would suggest that it's something going wrong at your end. So work with towno here if you expect town to work with you.

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

And by tellingredients us why please give all reasons to howork no lynch is the best option in detail so we discuss it from there.

[drealmerz7]

I believe none of us have been told our actual win conditions. The mod is a lying bastard.

I believe our win conditions will change depending on what happens in the game.

I believe we can ALL win the game, despite being of different 'alignements', but I believe the ability for us all to win the game is dependent on us all cooperating, which means NOT killing anyone.

it's like, we're pre-war right now, and peace can be had for all sides if we never go to war, however, if blood is drawn, I think those conditions will change

I think that all is POSSIBLE to be true based on what I've gathered from 1.) what everyone has shared about their roles and what they think about their wincons, 2.) what I have in my role PM (wincondition ambiguity, among other things), 3.) I believe I have some insight in to how ircher's brain works and how he would go about setting up the game given parts 1 and 2.

[Charloux]

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I believe none of us have been told our actual win conditions.

The mod is a lying bastard.

[Charloux]

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[drealmerz7]

so why can't you agree it is possible that we can ALL win the game?

and then why wouldn't it be that we can all win the game if we come to a peaceful resolution (ie, not killing each other) ?

I can't gladiate you, charloux

[drealmerz7]

at least not according to my abilities

but I wouldn't want to try, because this is absolutely the sort of game where the mod might be like "okay, he can gladiate!" and then make it happen because he decided it'd be fun because he's a bastard - that seems anit-town to me to even risk it

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

Okay great something we can work from.
Can you go in more detail about your win condition because although I understand what you believe I don't understand why as of yet. It's to my understanding that you do not know your current win condition, if that's wrong and you do can you share yours?
Also I've watched and played in many Ircher games and he's a unique mod. He has never giving an all win condition to no lynching to my knowledge though, can you expand in this insight you have with Ircher and what it is?

If I can understand why you believe this to be true I can then start to work on deciding if I agree or not.
Also what roles that have been said give this impression? So far the known roles if I'm not mistaken is my 8 votes making a total of 1, Charloux typing backwards and your own knowledge if your role. Other than that there isn't much to go on.

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

Also, how do you expect to control all night / day kills with a no lynch request?

[Charloux]

so why can't you agree it is possible that we can ALL win the game?

Possible, but highly unlikely.

and then why wouldn't it be that we can all win the game if we come to a peaceful resolution (ie, not killing each other) ?

Even if i don't kill, my partners will
If it were up to me, i don't mind starting the game D2(no lynch+no kill) but it's not up to me. Town will get in a disadvantage if they no lynch and scum tend to be trigger-happy. Impossible.

I can't gladiate you, charloux

try

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

at least not according to my abilities

but I wouldn't want to try, because this is absolutely the sort of game where the mod might be like "okay, he can gladiate!" and then make it happen because he decided it'd be fun because he's a bastard - that seems anit-town to me to even risk it

You should try it. Charloux is scum so it would favour in us lynching him over you. That's not anti town that's you giving us an option to lynch scum.
I don't believe that Ircher would ever give an unplanned role.

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #10

Drealmerz7 (0) -
McMenno (0) -
PenguinPower (3) - (L-1 1/2) - Jester, McMenno, Charloux
Edosurist (0) -
Vaxkiller (0) -
1 Shot Vanilla Town (0) -
Charloux (2) - Edosurist, Vanilla A, Vanilla B, Vanilla C, Vanilla D, Vanilla E, Vanilla F, Vanilla G, Vanilla H
The_Jester (0) -
_{Keyenpeydee (1) - Penguin
Ircher (0) -}
No Lynch (1) - Drealm
Not Voting (1) - Vaxkiller

Lynch Threshold

With 8 votes in play, it takes 4 1/2 votes to lynch!

Deadline

Day 1 ends on Tuesday, May 2, 2017 5:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2017-05-02 17:00:00).

Moderator Notes

As a reminder, while this game may be bastard, it is still a game. Please treat it as such.

Vanilla V/LA on weekends. Also V/LA 4/28.
Edosurist is V/LA from 4/28 to 4/30.

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 1

Drealm: No Lynch (120)
McMenno: No Lynch (181) --> Penguin (375)
Penguin: Drealm (122) --> No Lynch (140) --> (Null) (141) --> Keyen (212)
Edosurist: Penguin (363) --> Charloux (461)
Woodboys: Drealm (234) --> (Null) (236)
Vanilla:
All: Charloux (4620
Charloux: No Lynch (139) --> (Null) (278) --> Woodboys (333) --> Penguin (393)
Jester: Penguin (179) --> Charloux (233) --> Woodboys (297) --> Penguin (371)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Dawn (Pre-Game)

Drealm: Ircher (61)
Edosurist: McMenno (4)

[Edosurist]

It kinda sucks that you were doomed from the start Char. I'd consider lynching McMenno, assuming he has a killing role.

I'm on my phone, so are there any scum roles that make a person unlynchable for a day or could otherwise prevent us from lynching Char when we ultimately decide to?

[drealmerz7]

correct, I do not know my win condition

insight into ircher: I just think I understand a bit about how his mod-brain works. He also invited me to play this game, I was not initially signing up because it is "II" and I didn't play the first in the series and I'm a bit of a stickler for "watching, reading, playing, experiencing things in order", and if I missed out on the 1st, I figured no point in playing the 2nd. When I talked to him about this he explained to me that "Defiance Mafia" simply meant that it defies all things standard in mafia.

So I go from there, what are standards in mafia. What are the basic standards in mafia? 1.) multiple factions (town and mafia and 3rd parties including jesters, lynchers, SKs, and survivors) with varying win conditions with (except for jestersy, survivors, and lynchers) only 1 of the factions being able to win, and you acheive winning by eliminating the other factions/players who go against your ability to achieve your wincon.

so I ask myself a.) how do you defy those standards and b.) how do you defy those standards without making it explicitly obvious to everyone playing the game that defying those standards is the hidden goal?

- you give everyone an appearance of being of different factions with different win conditions setup in such a way that perhaps they can figure out the ultimate way for EVERYONE to win defies all standards of mafia, what does that mean? that we all can have peace and win together, how do you do that? by no lynching on D1 (the last thing anyone pretty much ever wants to do openly on D1)

I could elaborate more, but, that's a start

[Vaxkiller]

I'll be on later tonight, but this pushed bassed on mod info is shit. You realy think the mod would be like oh here is how to solve the game! No he laughing at your asses right now. THis is bastard.