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Official Vote Count

FireScreamer

(4): CommKnight, Titus, Brian Skies, davesaz

Gamma Emerald

(4): Alchemist21, RoryMK, Almost50, Narna

Almost50

(2): Firebringer, FireScreamer

Alchemist21

(1): Green Crayons

CommKnight

(1): Umlaut

Umlaut

(1): Gamma Emerald

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-03 20:06:48)

[Alchemist21]

I tried reading last night, but I just couldn't focus and I didn't want to do a crappy job. I'm fully aware my input in this game has been pretty crappy, no need to point that out. I'm struggling to get solid reads. Hopefully my catchup will change that.

@Rory, I was just curious as to if you could see the PT's because let's say there was a game with PT's outside of scum chat, if you were able to see it and playing in that game you'd know there'd non-mafia with PT's ongoing. But that's cool. Makes sense to do it that way to prevent things like that.

Also I've had two games with Frank, one as both town and one as both mafia. I'd like to think I got a feel for him. As far as Narna goes? I only had a single game where I was mafia and she was town. I'd like to think I know how town her acts.

Yeah it doesn't work like that. I can only see PT's people give me access to. If I want to play a micro(my queue), I will always make sure to notify the mod that I'm playing so I never get any information I shouldn't get. If I somehow do get information, I will immediately replace out to avoid the game getting compromised.

So what is it about Frank specifically that makes you townread him?
How could you possibly know Narna's scum game if you haven't played with scum Narna? I can understand if you would lean town on him for stuff he did, but a solid townread seems a bit much here. Can you elaborate on why you have such a strong townread on Narna?

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- I don't really buy GC's case on Brian Skies at all. It takes balls to engage a vocal player like Skies though, so even though I don't support it, I think he's more likely town for it.

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Spoiler: Alchemist wall

Rorys posts look disingenuous.

Kinda agree with this. Hard to say if he's just like this on early D1 though.

Rorys posts look disingenuous.

Is there a reason you still haven't moved your RVS vote if you think that's true?

Do you have any other reads?

It also feels like he tried to turn it around on Frank here.

VOTE: Rory

Can you explain where I went wrong by asking Frank 2 questions in an attempt to get him involved?

It looks like you're trying to discredit his point against you by challenging his lack of vote.

How am I discrediting his point? I ask him if he has a reason not to move his RVS vote and followup by asking if he has other reads.
Maybe he has a scumread on that player now, and didn't mention it.

It looks like the message you were sending was "if you really thought that you would vote me," and I see that as a subtle discredit attempt.

How do you feel about it, now that I've explained it? Does it still bother you?

Maybe I was misreading you and I'll adjust my read if I see reason to, but it still bothers me and I haven't seen a reason to Townread you.

I know you said you're struggling to get solid reads, but what are your reads right now?

Yeah, 851. Comm was asking if Rory could see PT's and Rory told him how PT access works.

Now if you or anyone else expressed suspicion over that point before today, please point it out, because as far as I know nobody thought this in particular was scummy and you saying you've always thought that now after the replacement points it out is suspicious to me.

[FireScreamer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

Like it sounds like you may be onto something a60, but I don't sees it.

It's simple: If you don't have a PT then why ask someone if they use their mod account to view PTs? What even triggers the idea into your mind if you do NOT have a PT to begin with?

Because maybe he wants to know what keeps mods from cheating at the game?

Counter-question: Why didn't Comm ask it in the

last

game, since Comm was scum and Rory was Town?

I'm now suspicious of Davesaz for following on a50's point. He was there last game, he should know better.

Holy shit that's interesting

[FireScreamer]

Davewagon gentlemen?9

[FireScreamer]

I'm getting drunk and watching anime with a friend. So reply will be sporadic but ill be around for most of the night

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: Green Crayons

VOTE: CommKnight

VOTE: Rory

Brian join me? My gut feels Rory is town, or maybe that's my ego.

I'm still not a fan of Rory, but sure.

VOTE: FireScreamer

These are Brian's votes, now to compare these with FS's reads

[Gamma Emerald]

Let's tipsily make a reads list on the new Commtown assumption mixed in with some what have you done for me lately.

GC
Alchemist/Umlaut/Titus/Comm
Narna/Firebringer/Shannon
Dave/Rory/Brian/Gamma

Rory is the issue here. Why do you say Brian has been wagoning Town when one of his wagoning votes is on one of your scumreads?

[Alchemist21]

Davewagon gentlemen?9

I'm be down for it.

VOTE: Davesaz

[Alchemist21]

I'm getting drunk and watching anime with a friend. So reply will be sporadic but ill be around for most of the night

What series?

[davesaz]

You're connecting two thoughts which for me are not connected.

1. I have been suspicious of Comm all along as a result of the whole gambler's fallacy thing.
2. A50 brought up the question of why Comm would ask about PTs unless he has one to prompt it. I confirmed that it had come up in the thread.

You're taking those two points and trying to infer that the PT question is why I wasn't sure about Comm town. I currently agree with A50's question, but you're not going to find me having that thought before because I didn't have it before.

[Gamma Emerald]

Not much has changed for me with GC

[Alchemist21]

Re 1384 I believe there was commentary on that. On my iPad so harder than usual to check.

Petit, yes that is a point and one of the reasons I'm unsure on Comm town.

This post sounded like you already had the thought. If that's wrong then fine, I can see how I made that mistake. Doesn't change the idea that you should know it's not a reason to suspect Comm.

[Gamma Emerald]

Brian seems Town, but I had trouble parsing his ISO so I'm not sure

[FireScreamer]

I'm getting drunk and watching anime with a friend. So reply will be sporadic but ill be around for most of the night

What series?

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: Green Crayons

VOTE: CommKnight

VOTE: Rory

Brian join me? My gut feels Rory is town, or maybe that's my ego.

I'm still not a fan of Rory, but sure.

VOTE: FireScreamer

These are Brian's votes, now to compare these with FS's reads

I was only looking at votes involved in large wagons.

[Narna]

I'm always down to lynch Dave by the by. What animu fs?

TITUS!!!!
Change your avi.

The penguin Zorro has gotten old fast.

Change yours too Narna
What happened to adorableness?

Tanya Degurechaff know how to accessorize with her magchester rifle. Are you suggesting it isn't cute?

[FireScreamer]

I'm getting drunk and watching anime with a friend. So reply will be sporadic but ill be around for most of the night

What series?

One Punch Man and Space Dandy

[Narna]

Commit to Space Dandy. It's the winner of the two.

[FireScreamer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Davesaz

[FireScreamer]

Commit to Space Dandy. It's the winner of the two.

This is a cheer up a sad friend thing so I'm not driving what we do.

[Narna]

If you want a sad friend, watch opm. If you want to cheer your buddy up, watch homeless space bum. I'm off to the bank.

VOTE: Davey

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm getting drunk and watching anime with a friend. So reply will be sporadic but ill be around for most of the night

What series?

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: Green Crayons

VOTE: CommKnight

VOTE: Rory

Brian join me? My gut feels Rory is town, or maybe that's my ego.

I'm still not a fan of Rory, but sure.

VOTE: FireScreamer

These are Brian's votes, now to compare these with FS's reads

I was only looking at votes involved in large wagons.

Well I figured you included that since it was a wagoning vote.

[FireScreamer]

I'm getting drunk and watching anime with a friend. So reply will be sporadic but ill be around for most of the night

What series?

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: Green Crayons

VOTE: CommKnight

VOTE: Rory

Brian join me? My gut feels Rory is town, or maybe that's my ego.

I'm still not a fan of Rory, but sure.

VOTE: FireScreamer

These are Brian's votes, now to compare these with FS's reads

I was only looking at votes involved in large wagons.

Well I figured you included that since it was a wagoning vote.

I quoted the VCs I was looking at. I couldn't have been clearer.

[Gamma Emerald]

Didn't notice that

[Alchemist21]

I'm getting drunk and watching anime with a friend. So reply will be sporadic but ill be around for most of the night

What series?

One Punch Man and Space Dandy

2 excellent choices!