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Official Vote Count

davesaz

(4): Narna, FireScreamer, Gamma Emerald, Titus

Titus

(2): Almost50, Umlaut

Gamma Emerald

(2): RoryMK, Alchemist21

Almost50

(1): Firebringer

Alchemist21

(1): Green Crayons

FireScreamer

(1): davesaz

RoryMK

(1): Brian Skies

Firebringer

(1): CommKnight

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-03 20:06:48)

[Narna]

Best wishes, TB.

Thanks!

@Narna: I don't think lynching Gamma today is the best plan and if there's a case on Dave I haven't seen it.

It's mostly an association with GE based on his voting when the Davesaz wagon started. There's a small element of policy to it as well. We give GE a chance to prove himself.

[Narna]

Ehh this does feel kind of backwards though. I can swing with either of these lynches.

VOTE: Gamma

[Titus]

Ehh this does feel kind of backwards though. I can swing with either of these lynches.

VOTE: Gamma

Narna, I feel lynching Gamma is a mistake. Why would scum gamma claim a role that is likely needing to be lynched in a couple of days?

[Narna]

a rb can force a mislynch and is unlikely to be cc'd.

[FireScreamer]

Ehh this does feel kind of backwards though. I can swing with either of these lynches.

VOTE: Gamma

Narna, I feel lynching Gamma is a mistake. Why would scum gamma claim a role that is likely needing to be lynched in a couple of days?

Lynching Gamma is a mistake because he needs to be lynched?

[Narna]

Maf can no kill and push a 'guilty'

[davesaz]

Like it sounds like you may be onto something a60, but I don't sees it.

It's simple: If you don't have a PT then why ask someone if they use their mod account to view PTs? What even triggers the idea into your mind if you do NOT have a PT to begin with?

Because maybe he wants to know what keeps mods from cheating at the game?

Counter-question: Why didn't Comm ask it in the

last

game, since Comm was scum and Rory was Town?

I'm now suspicious of Davesaz for following on a50's point. He was there last game, he should know better.

Different game, different topics of conversation come up.
Different topics of conversation come up, different thoughts happen on the meaning of those topics.
I'm open to considering new information, which anyone who plays with me should know is a towntell.

[davesaz]

I will ask for vigs to not kill tonight. We have no cop investigation and you may hit a PR. So abstain from shooting please.

Strongly disagree.

So far we have shoot Gamma and a no shoot. Don't remember who it was who said shoot Gamma.

[Titus]

I will ask for vigs to not kill tonight. We have no cop investigation and you may hit a PR. So abstain from shooting please.

Strongly disagree.

So far we have shoot Gamma and a no shoot. Don't remember who it was who said shoot Gamma.

Great, what is your stance. That's a scummary.

[davesaz]

Several more opinions given on vig shots. I'm all caught up.

I'm not sure of anyone's alignment, which is town me. My Gamma read shifted from town to mild scum to not going to lynch into a claim.
FireScreamer shifted from mild town to probably scum caught for wrong reasons, to softing a PR. I'm significantly less sure that we should let him go but I'm the only one there.
I'm not at all convinced that CommKnight is town. I'm torn between his reads making some sense vs. the early attempt to take himself off the table for bad logic.
Shannon was really iffy to me with a lot of questionable tactics like announcing a L-1 that wasn't. A50 makes some good points but I'd need to review our previous games to see if he fools me easily.
Titus claims that I'm tunneled but it's clearly a lie of opportunity.
Y'all know that town finding scum is a thing, right?
The cautious one is still scum.
VOTE: Titus

Pedit: my main position is that I want to know what other people's positions are.

[FireScreamer]

Narna come back to Dave.

[Umlaut]

I'm not at all convinced that CommKnight is town. I'm torn between his reads making some sense vs. the early attempt to take himself off the table for bad logic.

I don't think "taking himself off the table for bad logic" is

by itself

a strong basis for a scumread. Lots of people commit the gambler's fallacy whether or not it happens to make them look good.

More suspicious is painting attempts to point out the bad logic with defending the people it would implicate or throwing shade on the people it would clear. CommKnight did both.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Titus

[Titus]

You've got to be kidding me.

This is ridiculous but whatever. I have real life, I'll be back tonight.

[Alchemist21]

viewtopic.php?p=9113051#p9113051

I don't think Titus' stance towards Gamma here is really out of line from what she said last game. What she said about Dave tunneling her was scummy, but this attitude towards Gamma's claim isn't.

[Alchemist21]

That said, Gamma and Titus both being on Dave makes me not want to lynch Dave and would rather move to Titus if I have to move off Gamma.

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: Titus

Why?

[Green Crayons]

I'm not at all convinced that CommKnight is town.

I'm torn between his reads making some sense

vs. the early attempt to take himself off the table for bad logic.

Comm does not make any sense to me whatsoever. Explain yourself.

[Green Crayons]

*sigh*

You realize the people putting you off until D2 are doing so to give you the chance to use your shot, right?

You realize that if you are Town you are now in scum's crosshairs as a PR, right?

Town wants you dead. If you're Town, scum want you dead. When everyone wants you dead, you're not gonna live long enough to see a pay-off in waiting for your actions.

I also really hate this post.

Why?

[Green Crayons]

I'm ambivalent on Gamma. M

aybe I undervalue roleblockers, but I really don't care about town RBers. I'd be perfectly okay if we agreed that full-time RBer would claim so we can either clear Gamma + <other> (subject to scum gambit paranoia) or just lynch Gamma and be done with it.

[Green Crayons]

I left my laptop charger in a city two hours away, so I'll only be able to phone post tonight. Mostly caught up, but not really keen on who to vote.

Leaning towards dave, Titus, Alchemist, Rory but that's just shooting from the hip.

[Titus]

I'm ambivalent on Gamma. M

aybe I undervalue roleblockers, but I really don't care about town RBers. I'd be perfectly okay if we agreed that full-time RBer would claim so we can either clear Gamma + <other> (subject to scum gambit paranoia) or just lynch Gamma and be done with it.

I am ok with this. Then we can lynch Dave.

[FireScreamer]

So back to Gamma boyz?

[FireScreamer]

And galz