Gay Mafia 3: Trumpocalypse Now D8

Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:05 pm

In post 6326, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 6320, Cephrir wrote:
In post 6312, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 6305, Brian Skies wrote:I do think that if you're scum, then there's a good chance Kuribo is too. He claimed to receive two guns before today, and there are only two nights where we can assume a nightkill made it through your protection.
i'm not getting from A to B here, help
Kuribo claimed to have received two guns before today.

The only days where we can even pretend there's a strongman in this game are Nights 3 and 4. The same number of guns Kuribo had.

We could theoretically assume scum used a strongman on Night 2, but we have no idea since Fedora didn't protect Tammy.

I'm not saying Kuribo is scum (although I'm definitely thinking it), but explaining why Fedora can be and is probably just scum.

what on earth does the number of guns have to do with that

Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:08 pm

In post 6352, Little Red Fedora wrote:
In post 6346, Brian Skies wrote:This slot only cares about being confirmed town. Which they aren't.
Blatant Misrepresentation. I'm addressing your points and saying why your push sucks. And your scum for it because I'm a town Doc. I heal people. You just want to lynch the doc so you don't have to waste your shot on it.
-Ali

oh my god, brian, u suck so much. why would town want to lynch a town doctor????????????????????????????????

-_-

Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:10 pm

In post 6367, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 6364, Cephrir wrote:
In post 6352, Little Red Fedora wrote:
In post 6346, Brian Skies wrote:This slot only cares about being confirmed town. Which they aren't.
Blatant Misrepresentation. I'm addressing your points and saying why your push sucks. And your scum for it because I'm a town Doc. I heal people. You just want to lynch the doc so you don't have to waste your shot on it.
-Ali
oh my god, brian, u suck so much. why would town want to lynch a town doctor????????????????????????????????

-_-
Are you fucking kidding me? You've been suspecting them all game.

And now all of a sudden you're gonna 180 on me with this shit?

no that was sarcastic

Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:12 pm

a redirector who thought it was more important to redirect vax than kuribo's gun

that sounds super real

Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:14 pm

i view those one shot guns as things with one bullet in them that go away that's just how i conceptualize it

anyway VOTE: vax there's no redirector

Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:20 pm

In post 6381, Little Red Fedora wrote:VOTE: Vax
This will make Titus happy if this gets lynched. She'll probs be happy to hear that Ceph caught onto what she was getting at.
-Ali

youre supposed to think im scum remember

Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:21 pm

In post 6375, Cephrir wrote:a redirector who thought it was more important to redirect vax than kuribo's gun

that sounds super real

this is just on top of a million other reasons why this dumb redirector is most likely nonexistent

Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:27 pm

In post 6402, Antihero wrote:
In post 5778, Antihero wrote:you know... come to think of it

if scum rly had a redirect why wouldn't they use it to hijack kuribo's vig kill?
check that, A day ago

still

yeah idk why it took me until now for it to hit me how absurd this is

Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:29 pm

In post 6408, Antihero wrote:does anyone else get what grey's theory is?

werewolf traitors

Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:55 pm

In post 6439, Little Red Fedora wrote:Anti I have a strong track record for reading Grey correctly. He's town. I only misread him like, once (well, unless Grey is counting the othertimes I dropped a joke along the lines of "Grey is scum because he's playing differently")
-Ali

isnt your join date like december 16 or something

Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:21 pm

I will not be calling that crazy

Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:32 am

don't you know, scum need a direct counter to every town role so they can win, it's not fair to have PRs running around unchecked.

you just cant trust setups to be good

Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:43 am

fun fact: pine's last post was on d3

why hasnt this been replaced

Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:56 am

In post 6482, Antihero wrote:really? i think redirector is thoroughly irrational

well yeah. with all the town guns flying around thats pretty shit.

also redirectors are really just a bad role and shouldnt be used outside role madness games that dont pretend to make sense

plus its actions dont make sense

plus your earlier point about how the mods have had redirectors work in the past (though i guess this is a point in favor of them throwing one in for the lols)

you will notice i am indeed voting vax!

Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:58 am

In post 6485, Little Red Fedora wrote:The resistance to Vax outing results and quicklynching

???

Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:00 am

In post 6485, Little Red Fedora wrote:I should do my VCA soon too.

damn its all over for me and my scumbuddies now

Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:36 am

In post 6506, Vaxkiller wrote:I'm Ted Cruz - I'm "with" trump, but dont really want to see him win.
3rd party 4 shot roleblocker
My winning condition: roleblock successfully 3 times.

I'm pretty sure I've achieved my winning condition, I haven't got anything back from the mod on weather my actions were successful tho.

Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:46 am

Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:18 am

can we not

Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:27 am

In post 6563, Kise wrote:
In post 6558, Cephrir wrote:can we not
Who should I delay kill tonight?

since this is a scum flip, my inclination is sad, and it seems to be yours too

if you don't want to do that... i dunno, do we really have time to do things like try to policy vig grey/pine, i feel like we dont

Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:27 am

i forgot hiplop was in this game again :/

Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:27 am

In post 6565, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Ugly super fast tier list b/c you people fucking rush everything and I live for the thrill of scumhunting after a few scum are caught ffs

Antihero, Cephrir
Kuribo, Brian, Fedora
Grey, Kise, Pine
Hiplop
Majiffy

what happened to 100% scum hiplop

Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:31 am

if there's a scum fucker wither theyre gonna fuck with brian tonight, so youll get your answer then eh?

i guess that kind of overall sucks. if pine is scum, they wont let you kill him either -- so maybe if we see evidence for a fucker-wither you shouldnt kill at all since it can only be bad?

Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:37 am

i know its a running joke that you like to move me up and down your list for o reason but this is ridiculous

Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:43 am

i seem to have a talent for making people paranoid of me after the first encounter

Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:01 pm

I should've known Kellyanne didn't make a lick of sense.

Im probably not going to read that absolute garbage heap of an iso.

Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:53 pm

please spare me

Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:54 pm

my poor little warthog heart can't take the colored vote counts

Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:44 am

This is the stop for Misrep City. Thank you for traveling with us.

Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:47 am

In post 6657, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 6654, Cephrir wrote:This is the stop for Misrep City. Thank you for traveling with us.
Have you officially claimed Milo?

Not as such, but yes that's me

Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:49 am

im having some difficulty imagining kuribo and hiplop decided to fake a fruit vendor claim together

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:06 am

In post 6664, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Hiplop claims fruit vendor and doesn't claim targets nor flavor claim and leaves us guessing okay, if that doesn't seem suspicious to people I can't help you.

it does seem suspicious. on the other hand, i dont see the scum motivation, or any motivation, just a lack thereof.

as a low key aside: shouldnt scum have been motivated when things seemed to be going well for them?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:19 am

In post 6673, Antihero wrote:the only thing that makes me wonder about kuribo is why a spent gun would be able to be confiscated by brian

what are the chances the mod would actually answer questions about this now

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:49 am

In post 6687, Kise wrote:Ok so it's hiplop and kuribo, who became strongman because DGB was feeding him guns. Who goes firstso we can win this?

I'll still kill Pine tonight if U guys want but meh

then why did he still have so many guns?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:50 am

In post 6693, Kise wrote:So maybe he only used two strongman when Fedora was on Nacho and Spiffeh

oh right, fedora was scum

still strikes me as a bit suboptimal

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:51 am

kuribo strikes me as the type of player who would just brazenly shoot townies with extra guns and then brag about it for towncred

Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:10 am

hiplop needs to get his ass in here.

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:34 am

In post 6717, hiplop wrote:
In post 6712, Cephrir wrote:hiplop needs to get his ass in here.
Hey

Hi! Could you claim in full please

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:38 am

I haven't gotten anything

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:39 am

In post 6727, Majiffy wrote:@Anti if this isn't a flip flop then what is it

And what is your read on Grey

And if it's a scumread, why are you voting SAD over Grey considering I've already started a Grey wagon

In post 6451, Antihero wrote:GREY PUSHING A NONSENSICAL THEORY IS
TOWN AS FUCK
I PROCLAIM IT FROM ON HIGH

In post 6461, Antihero wrote:lynch grey / vax / you

and we shall reach the promised land

In post 6469, Antihero wrote:grey does not come off as bad to me

In post 6652, Antihero wrote:where did i call grey town?

let me help.

quote 1 is an exaggerated representation of what someone else was saying.

in quote 3 bad means bad at mafia, if you look at the prior two posts this makes sense

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:44 am

@Mod I updated the first post for you. You're welcome. Could you please put this there. thanks.

Suckin' That Tiny Baby Dick (Alive)

(11)

Spoiler:

Pussy Grabbed (Dead)

(13)

Spoiler:

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:46 am

ok the numbers were wrong but in my defense the ones currently in the first post, which i assumed to be right, weren't.

Suckin' That Tiny Baby Dick (Alive)

(9)

Spoiler:

Pussy Grabbed (Dead)

(15)

Spoiler:

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Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:46 am

In post 6739, hiplop wrote:ceph youre sure you didnt?

ill double check

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:48 am

In post 6742, kuribo wrote:Check the day start PMs since apparently the mods like combining important information

i don't read those (dont remember getting any previously but maybe?) and have deleted pms since the game started, so ill just ask

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:50 am

In post 6751, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:How is anyone not voting hiplop right now am I living in lalala land.

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:57 am

In post 6761, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 6754, Majiffy wrote:
In post 6751, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:How is anyone not voting hiplop right now am I living in lalala land.
Because I'm not done talking to people

If you'll remember I DIDN'T GET TO SPEAK YESTERDAY BECAUSE EVERYONE DECIDED MY INPUT IN THIS GAME WAS UNIMPORTANT
I was talking about how kuribo just voted grey, how you're telling people to vote grey, and how cephrir is deluding over how he might've MISSED GETTING A FRUIT VENDOR.

i dont think itll hurt anyone if i wait to make sure i have all the facts

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:58 am

im also having trouble seeing what dipshit scum makes up a fruit vendor action they dont have

whats the point of that???

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:59 am

sry hip if youre scum i dont think youre a dipshit

civility is hard

Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:01 am

In post 4053, hiplop wrote:like i feel like im pretty transparently town for that reason. Been blowing the spiffeh should be trusted whistle all day

In post 6014, hiplop wrote:
In post 6011, Cephrir wrote:
In post 6007, hiplop wrote:everyone in this game knows my claim already
we do?
I hope that forever when I whistle, you will come running for me, warthog friend

before sad yells at me im just collecting here not giving an opinion

Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:02 am

In post 6779, -Grey- wrote:wtf does D{icks}uck Dynasty have to do with this game, kuribo?

well it's a show about rednecks and guns isnt it

that seems potentially relevant but it's not to say they wouldnt give scum something like "also you, scumlord lady gaga, found a pile of fucking whistles or something"

Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:16 am

large games kind of blow.

Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:18 am

hey im An Old too

i never get any love ;_;

Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:18 am

In post 6820, hiplop wrote:yeah this is my last game for a long time.

totally burned out of mafia, unfortunately.

welcome to the cycle, youll be back in 4 months

Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:21 am

In post 6830, hiplop wrote:
In post 6827, kuribo wrote:The real fucked up part is that I suggested Gay Mafia 3 on one of Reck's Facebook posts and was the first person to pre-in as a result

I brought this misery on myself
i joined because you were in this and ceph was

ilu mafia is just garbage

my bad for making you do it

Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:33 am

the magical mystery redirector strikes again?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:06 pm

I didn't get a whistle.

Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:10 pm

In post 6912, hiplop wrote:maybe only town gets my whistles?

Town people hate gay people / support duck dynasty?
Mafia are gays who would protest buying whistles?

SAD/Ceph scum?

Well heck one minute you want me to work w you the next it's this! Well I never.

Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:10 pm

Why IS there a visitor and also a fruit vendor?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:11 pm

VOTE: sad

For now. I think the claim yesterday was real bad

Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:12 pm

It's very much a race to the bottom here though greys probably a scum fuck too

Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:17 pm

In post 19, Pine wrote:I hate that I want to lose. It is completely unfair that Town are the assholes.

Public Service Announcement/Partial Claim
: I am demon Ann Coulter, actual role name is Retluoc'Nna.

I am a Town Self-Inflicted Negative JOAT.

I have a series of five powers, which I must use compulsively and non-consecutively. Specifically, I eat babies. I have to choose a different kind of baby to eat every night, and each kind of baby (Jews, Catholics, Muslim, Atheist, or Asian) gives me a different negative utility. For example, eating a Jew baby makes me
Hated
for the next day.

All but one of these
affects only me
, restricting or punishing me in some way, though a few are less harmful than others . Only one can even possibly affect someone else.
Eating a Muslim baby makes me Ascetic for the night and a Supersaint the next day
. I don't see any restriction preventing me from basically eating the same two types of babies on a loop.

In summary, I have to choose a different restriction every night, none of which really hurt anyone but me. I will be up front every day start about which one I picked.[/b]

How is this still ascetic?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:32 pm

In post 6944, Antihero wrote:because (at least) two people got the fucking duck dynasty whistle

unless you have any theories on any gays/liberals who would do that...

and yet it's probably not intended as an innocent child. id hesitate to treat it that way.

Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:36 pm

In post 6970, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Real talk I would feel much better about Cephrir if he didn't have the most opportunistic votes of probably anyone in the game.

That + I really feel like he barely has reads. He comes in, makes a few jabs, few funny comments, few questioning, but I don't feel like he's actually trying to ~solve~ the game. Idk maybe that's a playstyle thing?

damn i forgot to keep making jokes about my votes being opportunistic you got me. im an active player and i vote a lot suck it up

ill agree that im not putting immense effort into this game and havent been for some time now

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:02 pm

In post 6991, Majiffy wrote:You make this game thoroughly unenjoyable Anti

im sorry that you have this bad opinion

UNVOTE: because fine whatever but youre not my real dad

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:14 pm

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:14 pm

i instantly hated myself for that post

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:16 pm

fwiw i was under the impression randomizing was the norm in that situation

but i didnt really think he could eat the same baby more than once

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:23 pm

learn to take a little sass before you go dishing it out

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:24 pm

i guess the mods didn't like my first post

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:25 pm

maybe there's a secret mechanic where someone gets to freeze the alive list to hide the fact that they're secretly not dead

syryana if youre out there give me a sign

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:29 pm

my best guess at the scumteam right now is SAD/[Majiffy or Grey]/[Pine or hiplop but Pine's more likely]

Yes that's more than half the playerlist but it makes SAD a solid lynch today. Majiffy and grey both is a possibility too i guess, id be the first to cheerlead if the mods did that just to give neighbor spec the finger

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:30 pm

actually yeah i hate neighbor spec so im gonna practice what i preach and not dismiss that possibility

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:31 pm

that wasnt very helpful at all. im gonna go write the fucking paper im here procrastinating.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:33 am

that'd constitute a mod lie and isnt possible

maybe he was blocked or i was magically turned into an ascetic for some reason

anyway one whistle disappearing isnt as suspsicious as 3

Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:42 am

you majiffy and grey, i guess

Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:43 am

there probably arent 6 scum why am i assuming that

Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:02 am

could you tell us what your night actions have been

Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:03 am

so you shouldnt have been an ascetic last night... and the scum rb is dead...

Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:18 am

oh. ok.

Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:29 am

so we think that the mods let pine's replacement retroactively choose their night action? that seems very strange

Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:29 am

i guess it matches with what math said on entry but still what

Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:48 am

In post 7035, Kise wrote:I don't think it's a big deal to start day if he wasn't targeted for kill or anything important

i dunno if i agree just from a modding theory standpoint

what if the slot's town and scum decided tomorrow they wanted to fakeclaim a one shot roleblock on him or something? idfk how that could happen but mod practices shouldnt change based on game state

Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:48 am

In post 7035, Kise wrote:If we are to believe the negative utility JOAT claim now, do you guys feel it's alignment indicative?

im ignoring it and hoping math will do something i can possibly try to read

Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:50 am

its ok i didnt want a whistle anyway

Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:11 am

guess i cant complain about a sloppy night when i flipped someone who wasnt dead in my last game

Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:52 am

In what way

Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:18 pm

In post 7072, MathBlade wrote:Pine lied.

The word ascetic is not in my role PM.

So you're voting me for believing him?

Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:13 pm

In post 7081, MathBlade wrote:Then you believe the predecessor or not. Cephrir posts like direct knowledge. I don't like his posts.

....

I was analyzing the information I had at my disposal.

What even...? You can't think I have secret scum knowledge that you're really an ascetic if that's not even true

The last time you made this little sense you were scum

Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:14 pm

This is why we, Mafia scum dot net, cannot have nice things

Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:31 am

In post 7078, MathBlade wrote:
In post 7023, Cephrir wrote:so you shouldnt have been an ascetic last night... and the scum rb is dead...
This is not a belief.

Are you truly not capable of understanding that this post is a response to your own claim? can you not understand that it is possible for something to be a question if it does not have a question mark? I was pointing out that your claim was contradicting what Kise was claiming.

This might be the dumbest thing I've seen in this game

Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:38 am

Vote SAD

Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:39 am

Wow ceph so opportunistic

Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:39 am

In post 7107, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:I believe in you cephrir think about that.

I BELIEVE IN YOU.

Do you?

In post 7062, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Idts?

Anyway I think I'm down to vote any of the neighbors/enablers. If I had to rank them it would be something like Grey>Majiffy>Cephrir I guess? But I'm not really feeling anyone scum anymore zzzzzzzzz.

You've changed your mind about me too many times for ATE to work anymore. Every time you've given me hope that you believed I was town, you've moved me back into neutral land with no explanation 10 pages later. One moment my reaction to your fakeclaim is town, the next my votes are opportunistic. :/

Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:40 am

In post 7111, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:I mean, if I have genuine suspicion of you do you not want me to voice them?

I think you have a bunch of townie things but also some ree flags like going too much with the flow/opportunistic votes + lack of scumhunting/doesn't look like you desire to solve the game.

I mean that's fine, just don't expect me to believe you when you say you suddenly think I'm town again

Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:41 am

In post 7020, MathBlade wrote:N1: Atheist
N2: Muslim
N3: Asian
N4: Muslim
N5: Jew
N6: Asian

I can only post
three
times on a given page with picking Asian now.

Sleep for me. Someone please summarize.

In post 7115, MathBlade wrote:I figure I am dying anyway so anything I can do to help Town before I go to be less than a lurksac would be good just please do something that lets me talk a lot. Post restriction no more than
four
posts on a page.

Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:44 am

of shit i revealed my direct knowledge of mathblade's role by pointing out a contradiction i better get out of here before she catches me

Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:58 am

I don't like this

Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:14 am

In post 7154, Antihero wrote:has he said something town in the neighborhood?

Nope.

Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:17 am

In post 7130, MathBlade wrote:@Cephrir It's complicated. Without quoting my rolePM I am truthful in both statements.

@Kise agreed. Check the PT. Trying to organize thoughts in it. Would love your input.

In post 7131, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 2485, Pine wrote:Asian religion - Can only post twice per page, three when there are 8-14 players, four when 7 or fewer

In post 7134, MathBlade wrote:Pine inverted it.

If Pine inverted it, you should be able to post four times per page normally, three now, and two later, instead of the above. You are instead claiming that you can post both three and four times per page right now. Those statements cannot both be truthful as the number of players alive hasn't changed

This game is not listed as bastard so I'm just gonna stop you here, whoever is about to suggest this slot is a Jester.

Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:28 am

In post 7159, MathBlade wrote:
In post 7150, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:
Votecount 6.3Grey - 4 (Majiffy, Antihero, SAD, kuribo)
SAD - 3 (Kise, Grey, Cephir)
Cephir - 1 (MathBlade)
With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch. Deadline is 5/8 at 9PM EST
Grey is a townfirmed wagon.
Sad is confirmed scum.

Grey Kise all town. Cephrir doesn't want to be scum hammering now aconf Town grey.

When I die tonight due to Kise after we lynch SAD Grey is confTown.

VOTE: SAD

If I were scum I assure you I wouldn't give a flying fuck about being a hammer on a town wagon because guess what? It makes no fucking difference. Apparently I'd rather bus my presumably only remaining buddy.

Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:31 am

In post 7166, MathBlade wrote:Grey is not hammered so Kise Grey or Cephrir are scum.

Grey is hard Town because not hammered.

Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:32 am

SAD hasn't been hammered either! Wow I guess he must be town too

Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:32 am

VOTE: Math

Fuck this slot.

Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:39 am

Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:47 am

could three more people please help me dodge mathblade's sick vca, she totally caught me being afraid to hammer grey, which would have confirmed me as scum, and i just can't take it anymore

Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:07 pm

Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:33 pm

if you're actually town, a) thanks for nothing and b) no one listens to dead townies especially if they make zero sense and don't read the game

Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:00 pm

In post 7221, Majiffy wrote:You mean all the people shitposting praise memes?

i just like to feel included ok

Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:41 am

In post 7236, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Hmm seems p obvious it's Cephrir and like one of Grey/Majiffy (heavily leaning the latter) at this point.

Oh fuck off.

Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:47 am

In post 7254, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Oh well

Vote: Grey

I'm still down for this.

You literally just said it was me and Majiffy, why the fuck are you up for that?

Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:50 am

I think SAD/Majiffy is by best guess right now. It certainly explains why SAD wants so badly to keep open a mislynch on me or hiplop

Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:59 am

how many times is one person allowed to revise history

Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:08 pm

In post 7268, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 7016, Cephrir wrote:you majiffy and grey, i guess
What happened to your grey scumread btw???

Why do you always have him in the "willing to vote" but when it comes time to actually vote you refuse to get on the wagon like you did yesterday?

because he's my scumbuddy

great detective work!!!!!!!!

Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:09 pm

In post 7270, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 7263, Cephrir wrote:I think SAD/Majiffy is by best guess right now. It certainly explains why SAD wants so badly to keep open a mislynch on me or hiplop
So grey is not a scumread here

Yet he's not someone you say I'm trying to mislynch

????????

Is he a scumread or a townread to you please make up your mind.

Left open for tomorrow after you lynch grey today

Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:09 pm

not claiming to have a hard townread on grey by any stretch of the imagination (he's my scumbuddy, after all) but i can imagine someone sucking that much and being town

Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:11 pm

In post 7268, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 7016, Cephrir wrote:you majiffy and grey, i guess
What happened to your grey scumread btw???

Why do you always have him in the "willing to vote" but when it comes time to actually vote you refuse to get on the wagon like you did yesterday?

right, 2/3 of you being scum seems very likely at this point

which is why whoever's scum in that group needs to find a mislynch outside it to avoid automatically losing

Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:16 pm

you're more widely suspected than i am.

Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:24 pm

Like I said last time you brought it up, I freely admit than I've lacked motivation and not scumhunted incredibly hard. You wanna make a point? I wouldn't agree that I haven't done any, though, I just haven't felt like being forceful. I had a pretty good scumread on Fedora but stopped pushing it because no one cared after their saves started dying

Why would I be disinterested as scum? First of all being scum is innately interesting. Apathetic town is textbook me. Scum were presumably doing pretty well in this game until recently, so what's to be disinterested about? I got demoralized because I'm town, haven't been able to tell all the fuckwits from the scum, and felt like we had no chance

There were too many people in this game who needed to die and I tend not to feel I have much agency until the game shrinks. You can't really attack me for not having real opinions AND also for not wanting to vote grey yesterday which is an opinion. Like I said then, it didn't feel right. That's townhunting, at least.

Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:26 pm

maybe i'm still 10 years old at heart but it's hard for me to care as town unless i either have a strong investigative role or feel like my reads are really good. if i dont have much confidence ive started moving towards not doing anything and trying to have a little fun in the background over talking about how i have reads but don't believe in them. it's unnecessary effort that only serves to look town.

Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:38 pm

In post 7281, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:But as the game gets smaller, it doesn't look like you're scumhunting. It still feels like "Okay guys who are we lynching for today?".

+ I get the feel that you're not disinterested as scum, you're disinterested in scumhunting. You're around at time as come in and vote people and joke around and talk game theory and ask for explanation for roles and other questions etc etc. But almost no scumhunting. You don't develop on your questions. You don't dig deep enough that it looks like you're really interested in figuring anyone out, just surface level stuff.

im scumhunting you right now!

it's not like i'm not good at fake scumhunting... i get a little offended when people try to call me scum for playing scum badly. i'm very good

i dont always follow up on everything and i don't think that's a huge problem. i'm allowed to have private thoughts about reactions to me, and i'm also allowed to forget things which i do quite routinely

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:38 pm

In post 7282, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 7280, Cephrir wrote:maybe i'm still 10 years old at heart but it's hard for me to care as town unless i either have a strong investigative role or feel like my reads are really good. if i dont have much confidence ive started moving towards not doing anything and trying to have a little fun in the background over talking about how i have reads but don't believe in them. it's unnecessary effort that only serves to look town.
Okay you and I both know what you just said doesn't make sense.

Neither one of those 3 sentences make any sense.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:39 pm

Vote SAD

Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:41 pm

since you think scumhunting with evidence and trying to connect people to dead scum is so important though, how about you do it instead of paying the idea lip service?

Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:29 pm

ah yes, the ole false bravado

Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:07 pm

It takes two nights for kise to kill things

Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:17 pm

In post 7300, Majiffy wrote:Why does townpower suck so fucking hard this game

but majiffy, we have a role so good he needs five fucking enablers scum can kill to prevent him from being too good!

/s

Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:26 pm

i actually have air quotes trademarked sooooooooooooo

Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:04 pm

In post 7333, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Why would I as scum need to switch my read on majiffy and cephrir when I can keep cephrir as town and majiffy as scum.

Why would I go through the trouble of switching my reads when I can easily still coast off of my original reads.

I'll take majiffy is your scumbuddy and even if he wasn't you don't have enough mislynches without adding me for 200 please alex

Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:04 pm

In post 7333, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:But cephrir is scum for the exact reason he's refusing to get on you. He has been going with the flow all game. So I'm like cool that's his shtick. But then he refuses to get on you yesterday and today.

This is just such a goofy line of attack. I have to have opinions either always or never, apparently.

Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:06 pm

go back to playing with the vc font colors.

Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:12 pm

In post 7332, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Like fucking LOL you got the 3 people who are doing nothing to vote me good job

i like how majiffy suddenly became an "active player" when it became convenient.

Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:33 pm

In post 7340, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 7337, Cephrir wrote:go back to playing with the vc font colors.
Are you really gonna pretend that vca has no merrit? Because we both know that's not true.

I'm not pretending. It is random. I am happy to prove to you that this is a consistent opinion that I have every time it's ever been brought up in any gae.

Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:34 pm

In post 7339, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Yes he's actively doing something by not voting yet and what I'm assuming is his attempt at figuring things out in the near future.

That has got to be the lamest thing you've said on this page. You know that, right?

Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:08 am

Well if you're lucky maybe he'll hammer himself

Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:34 pm

here's hoping it was wicked, i guess

Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:34 pm

Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:51 pm

If he flips scum, maybe, I guess? Neighborhoods are overrated. Why are you trying to throw shit at me right now as though we haven't all been silent?

Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:55 pm

hey that's my line

sorry i let you down grey they've totally got me nailed too

Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:48 am

i was ok but then i read the above post and now i'm sad.

Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:22 pm

I don't think I make much sense as a partner for Majiffy. We'd have to have planned a lot of scum theater for no reason. Oh hey, incidentally, looks like I was probably fucking right on that one, way to go team.

Anyway, my bets are still on SAD/Majiffy, but hiplop is possible.

Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:22 pm

In post 7387, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:WAIT WHERE'S MY VCA THIS WILL BE THE TIME I BREAK THE GAME WITH VCA

Pretend I posted 100 bunny suicides.

Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:27 pm

If you want to convince me of anything with your VCs you're going to have to show me why the posts where those votes were made give something away, I won't respond to colored names alone.

Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:29 pm

In post 7394, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 7392, Cephrir wrote:If you want to convince me of anything with your VCs you're going to have to show me why the posts where those votes were made give something away, I won't respond to colored names alone.
I'm not trying to convince you of anything I'm trying to solve the game for myself before it possibly ends soon.

If you're town and still want to win, you should try to convince me.

Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:30 pm

In post 7393, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:I see Cephrir/Hiplop as making the most sense.

Esp from VC 2.3/2.4 to 2.5 where Vaxkiller jumps up to being run up instead of Majiffy, it looks like the scum team lagged their votes on a town mislynch (Majiffy), with hiplop being off wagon. ABR was committed to bussing Fedora, and it looked like the scumteam were trying to push the Majiffy wagon through.

This is where a VCA user randomly chooses between "scum wouldn't put all their votes in a row" and "scum picked a town mislynch and running up 3 scum at the same time has never happened in human history because it's impossible."

You can make whichever one you feel like sound nice to yourself but it's a waste of time

Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:31 pm

If I'm truly to take this as something you're only doing for yourself, why post it? Just for ego?

Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:31 pm

I wish you'd quit trying to invalidate my opinions just because I'm not about to reread the damn game.

Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:33 pm

I wonder if the Fox strategy works in forum mafia. It works on Epicmafia, a place I'm ashamed to admit I've ever visited, and I haven't gotten many chances to try it here.

Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:35 pm

Since you're busy with whatever it is you're doing, and I want more of a baseline, I'll start with hiplop.

hiplop! Set yourself down in my hot seat. I'm gonna ask you a question. Have you STEELED YOURSELF? The game could all be riding on it.

Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:35 pm

(That wasn't the question.)

Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:45 pm

In post 7405, hiplop wrote:what does STEELED mean

Prepared. Etc.

Anyway, here you go:

How was your day today?

Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:48 pm

In post 7410, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 1804, Spiffeh wrote:DON'T LEAVE ANYONE AT L-1

OR L-2 FOR THAT MATTER

WE RUSHED DAY 1 AND IT ENDED IN A FUCKING TOWN LYNCH

IN WHAT WORLD IS IT A GOOD IDEA TO DO THAT AGAIN
In post 1813, bundle of sticks wrote:UNVOTE:

my vote exists to please
I really don't like this justification for unvoting, especially when Fedora literally used the same thing and unvoted, Vax was no longer in ~danger~ of getting lolhammered.

i like spiffeh& didn't want him to get demoralized, if some rando asked me to unvote i wouldn't

Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:05 pm

It was pretty good. I watched some dumb TV show about people living in a house and being asses to each other, and went for a nice walk. :}

kuribo, your turn!

Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:06 pm

(It's not going to be the same question)

Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:15 pm

spiffeh pointed it out and no one disagreed

Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:18 pm

thinking my miller claim is scummy isnt an ok opinion. here are the ok opinions:

a) it's my role
b) the mods put it in as a scum fakeclaim in the anticipation that this would be a reasonable role for scum to claim

do you think my character is likely to be in the game or a scum fakeclaim? do you think i would just make up being a miller for no reason? a and b are your options.

Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:21 pm

furthermore any third option would require me to have magically known there was a cop in the game.

Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:26 pm

if it wasnt a perfectly reasonable role that could actually exist, then that wouldnt have happened

what im saying is, objectively, you should judge me on my play

Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:52 pm

In post 7424, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Edit: No I'm saying miller-enabler doesn't make sense because none of the other enablers are roled. It looked like you tried to use miller as your role but then you also got stuck outted as an enabler because people realized neighborhood=enablers.

whatever, you're scum anyway, you don't have to get it.

Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:53 pm

In post 7425, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Also I'm not in the mood to go dig it up but in your first post you said:
In post 187, bundle of sticks wrote:hello

we're a miller

i'm having a shit day, so i will read the thread later or tomorrow

-ceph
And then in one most much later I think under Cephrir not the hydra account you responded to something like "I claimed miller but I may or may not have other abilities" when I put you as only miller in my chart.

But you didn't make that distinction in your first post, it looks like you just claimed miller.

i don't fullclaim for no reason. it's a good policy. look what happens when you don't: this game.

Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:54 pm

oh fine everyone can just answer the same question ugh

Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:55 pm

nah it's ok i got what i needed from that one

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:07 am

I was leaving the door open that I might have something good so I could still be a night kill target. When people claim ascetic do you assume they're a vanilla ascetic? Obviously not. I wanted to allow the possibility scum would want to nightkilled my useless ass.

VOTE: SAD

You're not listening, so I guess there's no point in me considering you might be town. Shaheeds law.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:30 am

Your wish is my command buddy

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:34 am

In post 7443, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Okay, if you were trying to do that why would you not say it at the beginning in your first post when you claimed miller?

You're proving my point. The fact that you only claimed miller without adding "I might have additional abilities" meant you wanted miller as your full claim. BUT then once the neighborhood figured out neighbors=enablers you wanted to make it clear you're not only a miller so once people out you're an enabler you can go "yeah haha I'm an enabler-miller".

Because it's not necessary to say. Like I just said, if I claimed just ascetic, no one would assume i wasn't anything else. it's a modifier. i wanted to add that then because the existence of the table seemed like it was codifying "this is X's whole claim."

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:36 am

In post 7443, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:LOL

wait a fucking min

you said I wasn't listening in your last posts too.

"whatever, you're scum anyway, you don't have to get it."

Doesn't sound like you were interested in "considering" I'm town there.

LMAO but when I call you out on not voting you put it there.

Have you ever called someone scum without being 100% sure?

I'm voting you now out of irritation, and because you rightly pointed out that I should be voting you so thanks for that!

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:39 am

You'll latch onto any possible point of attack without spending half a second to think about whether it makes sense at this point. You know you only need to sound logical long enough to try to trick whoever the third town player is into voting hiplop and there won't be a tomorrow if it works.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:39 am

In post 7450, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 7448, Cephrir wrote:
In post 7443, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Okay, if you were trying to do that why would you not say it at the beginning in your first post when you claimed miller?

You're proving my point. The fact that you only claimed miller without adding "I might have additional abilities" meant you wanted miller as your full claim. BUT then once the neighborhood figured out neighbors=enablers you wanted to make it clear you're not only a miller so once people out you're an enabler you can go "yeah haha I'm an enabler-miller".
Because it's not necessary to say. Like I just said, if I claimed just ascetic, no one would assume i wasn't anything else. it's a modifier. i wanted to add that then because the existence of the table seemed like it was codifying "this is X's whole claim."
MILLER

IS NOT A MODIFIER 99% OF THE TIME

LMAO

Most of the time when people say "I'm a miller" then that means that's their role and you know it.

I don't agree.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:40 am

Regardless of whether you would like to pitch that I was planning on trying to get out of claiming enabler (which, incidentally, why? It sounds town), I was also a neighbor. Clearly I wasn't planning on claiming miller was my entire role, since you can't not claim neighbor when 4 other people know about it. Lol.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:42 am

In post 7453, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 7451, Cephrir wrote:You'll latch onto any possible point of attack without spending half a second to think about whether it makes sense at this point. You know you only need to sound logical long enough to try to trick whoever the third town player is into voting hiplop and there won't be a tomorrow if it works.
Hey how about you work on finding my partner then??

Yknow... like actually scumhunt for the first time this game?

Lol. You yourself admitted I scumhunted plenty the first couple days of the game, and now it's "never." And here you go with the ridiculous "you're not playing the way I want you to so you must be scum" shit. I'm assuming it's Majiffy at this point, but I don't currently care very much as I'm more interested in making sure lylo even happens. kuribo will die tonight if we lynch you, so I should have the hammer easily and have all the time I want to decide between the other two.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:43 am

THATS NOT THE FUCKING POINT.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:43 am

In post 7450, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:MILLER

IS NOT A MODIFIER 99% OF THE TIME

LMAO

Most of the time when people say "I'm a miller" then that means that's their role and you know it.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:43 am

look i can quote you and post "lol" too

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:44 am

In post 7459, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 7455, Cephrir wrote:
In post 7453, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 7451, Cephrir wrote:You'll latch onto any possible point of attack without spending half a second to think about whether it makes sense at this point. You know you only need to sound logical long enough to try to trick whoever the third town player is into voting hiplop and there won't be a tomorrow if it works.
Hey how about you work on finding my partner then??

Yknow... like actually scumhunt for the first time this game?
Lol. You yourself admitted I scumhunted plenty the first couple days of the game, and now it's "never." And here you go with the ridiculous "you're not playing the way I want you to so you must be scum" shit. I'm assuming it's Majiffy at this point, but I don't currently care very much as I'm more interested in making sure lylo even happens. kuribo will die tonight if we lynch you, so I should have the hammer easily and have all the time I want to decide between the other two.
????????????????????????????????????????????

How are we not already in lylo if there's 2 scum left.

Lol. I meant 3p lylo, obviously. Way to use that as an excuse not to respond to the rest of the post though!

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:46 am

Please keep moving those goalposts

I love having disingenuous arguments this is my favorite thing

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:47 am

In post 7462, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Neighbor is a modifer to the fucking miller.

Form the wiki page "In addition, Neighbors have been known to possess other power roles, or even have powers that belong to the group as a whole."

You claimed a role, not the modifier, and then later you tried to pass it off as the modifier to a second role.

Neighbor is a modifier and miller isn't? Fucking please. And youve yet to answer what scum motivation there is no trying not to claim enabler.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:48 am

"Neighbor miller" or "miller neighbor"? Which of those sounds correct? It's the second one, because neighbor has never been a modifier.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:49 am

In post 7458, Cephrir wrote:
In post 7450, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:MILLER

IS NOT A MODIFIER 99% OF THE TIME

LMAO

Most of the time when people say "I'm a miller" then that means that's their role and you know it.

In post 7450, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:MILLER

IS NOT A MODIFIER 99% OF THE TIME

LMAO

Most of the time when people say "I'm a miller" then that means that's their role and you know it.

In post 7450, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:MILLER

IS NOT A MODIFIER 99% OF THE TIME

LMAO

Most of the time when people say "I'm a miller" then that means that's their role and you know it.

In post 7450, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:MILLER

IS NOT A MODIFIER 99% OF THE TIME

LMAO

Most of the time when people say "I'm a miller" then that means that's their role and you know it.

In post 7450, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:MILLER

IS NOT A MODIFIER 99% OF THE TIME

LMAO

Most of the time when people say "I'm a miller" then that means that's their role and you know it.

In post 7450, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:MILLER

IS NOT A MODIFIER 99% OF THE TIME

LMAO

Most of the time when people say "I'm a miller" then that means that's their role and you know it.

In post 7450, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:MILLER

IS NOT A MODIFIER 99% OF THE TIME

LMAO

Most of the time when people say "I'm a miller" then that means that's their role and you know it.

In post 7450, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:MILLER

IS NOT A MODIFIER 99% OF THE TIME

LMAO

Most of the time when people say "I'm a miller" then that means that's their role and you know it.

LOL

LOL

see how annoying this is?

Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:07 am

careful hiplop if you vote him after he tells you to it'll be because you're scum!! im so caught

Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:50 am

Cephrir not scumhunting? Scum. Majiffy not scumhunting, just agreeing with me? Oh, that's cool. B)

I like the attempt to appeal to kuribo's ego too! great work!

Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:02 am

In post 7482, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:But I know I'm town and I have a vote on someone who if town and there's 2 scum there could have been a scum double hammer because everyone's been around already. And there hasn't. I took that risk and it worked.

So you moved your vote to me?

Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:03 am

Oh, wait, you didn't do that. Shut up.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:03 am

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Nothing to see here.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:05 am

Likewise bud

Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:06 am

It's worth noting that majiffy has literally never had any reason for wanting to lynch me. Like, lets not forget the reasons why he's been scum since day 2 and you all preferred to plug your ears and lynch whoever the fuck we lynched day 2.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:12 am

It's punishment time!

VOTE: hiplop

Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:16 am

oh come on sad you don't have to slow roll them that's just mean

Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:18 am

i'm town, i just realized you're right and hiplop's scum.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:19 am

ok no that's mean i won't do that

Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:22 am

it's over dw

Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:23 am

anyway i'm really, really glad this is over

what a shit game of mafia

Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:23 am

let's bond over being free from this hell

Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:26 am

SMITE role madness was still worse. And I only made it to day 2 in that one.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:46 pm

Hey. I liked tales of you. Don't hate.

Mon May 01, 2017 8:31 am

In post 7769, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:*raises hand* I'm just saying but if you have to shoot your own members you done goofed, sorry not sorry.

It was a gambit. It worked. Was it necessary? I dunno. None of us were dead when we decided it was a good idea. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Mon May 01, 2017 8:32 am

In post 7767, kuribo wrote:I honestly don't think we'd have succeeded with any other scum team.

The plan from day 1 pretty much was to have me and Ceph carry the end game. The rest of the team did a masterful job supporting that. From ABR suggesting we vig a teammate, to Titus and Ali sowing discord by splitting towns reads on them for days, to vax just completely baffling them with bullshit to the point they were still worried about a redirection after his flip, to Ceph's manipulative towniness, it all just kinda came together. We all said what we had to say, killed who we had to kill, and set up associative tells with the people we needed to. In the end, we even helped foster a sense of helplessness and apathy that would leave some town players feeling isolated to where the only people they could rely on were the scum team.

We did great you guys, and we won.

Have you considered motivational speaking?

Mon May 01, 2017 3:23 pm

Yeah I stopped trying I knew it didn't matter <_>

Mon May 01, 2017 3:34 pm

I dunno. It's hard to parcel it out in the form of advice. I've learned a lot about cognitive dissonance and such. Most of my scum game is just being really good at pretending to be my town game. 95% of my strategy is "dont get lynched." Though as has been pointed out I slipped a bit here and started backsliding into overconfident mode.

Anyway the point is I dunno if I can do specific pointers without being you. My ways not for everyone anyhow though, and I think having a mix of styles on a team is often beneficial.

Mon May 01, 2017 3:41 pm

This probably won't be news, but you have to play a different game with different players. When people who know you are in the game you have to figure out what each of them wants your town game to look like, regardless of whether their perceptions are accurate ^^

Mon May 01, 2017 3:44 pm

Without being too perfect ofc. Like in this game I flipped out and called nacho scum purely because I thought he'd townread me for it. <_>

Anyway I'll shut up now.

Mon May 01, 2017 4:12 pm

In post 7805, Spiffeh wrote:Who is Cephir

I stopped correcting people around 2008