Mini 1910: Railgun Mafia [Game Over]

[DanelerH]

Gerry's post seems NAI to me. Cabd seems like the only one who was making a big deal out of it, but I don't think I scum-read him. I like how he was willing to explain why he suspected Gerry, so I'm willing to put him as a slight Town-lean. I'm not sure how I feel about everyone else yet.

@Accountant, what do you think of Cabd's suspicion on Gerry?

[DanelerH]

Gamma prolly genuinely didn't see accountant and Grey's little side game with #26 but I really dislike the defensive stance he took during the early exchange

What do you think of Gamma's read on Edo? (187, 190, 193)

@gerryoat, what do you think of Cabd's push on you? Do you have any suspicions?

[DanelerH]

I like how he was willing to explain why he suspected Gerry, so I'm willing to put him as a slight Town-lean.

why does explaining oneself earn a town-lean?

fun fact

scum can explain themselves too

In my mind, they would be more reluctant to, but I can see what you mean.

[DanelerH]

That doesn't make sense.

Some scum love explaining to "appear townie"

what do you make of cabd's push on Gerry, not just for explaning, but from the actual points made?

The main issue Cabd seems to have with Gerry is 86, specifically the use of the word "honestly". I don't see much else behind the push, so I think he's just tunneled. Whether it's from Town or Scum, I can't say for sure (especially after the point you made), but it feels more like Town to me.

[DanelerH]

@Gamma
What's your read on Accountant now?

This is what prompted my reanalyze

What was the result you came to? Also, what do you think about Frogger? You didn't like his vote on Alisae (which was clearly a joke), but do you scum-read him for it?

[DanelerH]

@Daneler how experienced are you at mafia?

I've played several games on duelacademy.net. I don't consider myself very good, though.

[DanelerH]

@Daneler how experienced are you at mafia?

I've played several games on duelacademy.net. I don't consider myself very good, though.

Yeah, okay. Talk about accountant?

I like how they called out Gamma for his baseless suspicion (32). I also like the conversation they had with Cabd on Gerry (99). Other than that, not much else has stood out to me. Overall, I would say that I Town-lean Accountant.

[DanelerH]

Yeah, okay. Talk about accountant?

I like how they called out Gamma for his baseless suspicion (32). I also like the conversation they had with Cabd on Gerry (99). Other than that, not much else has stood out to me. Overall, I would say that I Town-lean Accountant.

Dan who are your top scumreads?

Working on it. I'm going through the ISOs and compiling a list of where I put everyone.

[DanelerH]

Dan who are your top scumreads?

I scum-read Gerry. I only have one reason for thinking he might be Town, which is Post 321. I think scum would be content with leaving the game going at the pace it was. The problem with this is Gerry didn't follow his own rules for the "game" he proposed. If he actually cared about it, he would've given a read on Keyenpeydee. Also, aside from this post, Gerry hasn't done much other than ask a couple of questions.

[DanelerH]

Sorry this took so long.

Accountant

Titus, Fro99er, Torque, Cabd, Aeronaut

Edosurist, XnadrojX, Kelvin Smith

Gamma Emerald, Wisdom

gerryoat

Spoiler: Town

Accountant
I like how they were willing to play along with Grey's "scum-read" on them (16). As scum, I think they would've most likely ignored it, due to a lack of reasoning behind the "scum-read."
I also like how they called out Gamma on his baseless suspicion on them (32). This is a similar reason to the previous one, in which I think they would've just ignored it, since Gamma stated himself to be agreeing with Grey.
I also like their interactions with Cabd about Gerry (99). This one doesn't have a specific reason. It just feels Towny to me.

Spoiler: Town-lean

Titus
I liked Grey's interaction with Accountant. He seemed to be looking for a reaction from Accountant to start a proper read. While scum can do this to, the interaction between Titus and Accountant seemed like it was between two Town. After replacing, Titus hasn't done much, though this is apparently due to not liking Day 1. While I don't agree with this, I don't find it enough for a scum-lean.

Fro99er
I like Frogger's posts overall. They feel Towny to me.

Torque
Feels similar to Frogger. The posts overall feel Towny to me.

Cabd
The tone in Cabd's tunnel on Gerry feels Towny to me, even if I disagree with the reason. I also like the conversations he's had with Accountant.

Aeronaut
Feels similar to Frogger and Torque. The posts overall feel Towny to me.

Spoiler: Null

Edosurist
I don't see much to base things on, other than the vote and explanation for it on Gamma, which I find NAI.

XnadrojX
I don't know how to read Nadroj.

Kelvin Smith
While I don't really like that most of the catchup he's been doing is more akin to a commentary, I find it NAI. I sort of like the conversation he had with Accountant, though.

Spoiler: Scum-lean

Gamma Emerald
I see no purpose behind 17. He says he's on Grey's side, but doesn't say why. He also isn't helping apply pressure, otherwise he would've questioned Accountant. He didn't explain until after Accountant accused Gamma.
I don't like his reaction to Edo's vote (193). He immediately scum-read Edo for it, despite Edo saying he would explain.
The only good point he has is 479. It's a nice warning, but I question the neccessity of it. Kelvin was still at L-4 and nobody was speaking of hammering a lynch.

Wisdom
I don't know how I feel about Wisdom yet, so this read is going to be based on Keyenpeydee.
First, I dislike 230. Keyenpeydee says he agrees with some of Accountant's read on Gamma, but doesn't say what. This makes 203 seem strange. He was commenting about everything else during it, so wouldn't he also have said what he did agree with?
I also dislike 310, since the only reasoning for reading Gamma is "we're in a hood."

Spoiler: Scum

Gerryoat
476

[DanelerH]

Overall, I find Gerry the most suspicious.
VOTE: gerryoat

[DanelerH]

Overall, I find Gerry the most suspicious.
VOTE: gerryoat

I disagree with your reason for scumreading me. You said the only reason is cause I didn't follow my own game, but I actually did.

dont break the game. kee going

I think mudkip could be town because i like his iso, looks like there could be genuine scumhunting there.

So your whole basis of SR me is flawed, does that change your read or is there other reasons that you did not explain that you scumread me for?

It sort of changes things. I didn't correlate 355 with the game you started, so that's my mistake. It still doesn't make a lot of sense, though. Wouldn't you have started the game
in 321? You started it in 321, then posted about it again 10 minutes later (328). Another 3 hours and 41 minutes passed until until 355, where you finally played your game. Why did you wait so long to do so?

[DanelerH]

Why the hell is him not playing his own game AI zzz
What do you think of Wisdom v Titus?

In 321, Gerry starts the game to get activity going. At the beginning of it, though, he chose not to play. If he cared about it, he would've given a read on Keyenpeydee. It makes me read that post as an attempt to look like he was doing something, while also not doing anything.

As for Wisdom vs Titus, Titus doesn't sound too good. I don't particularly like 630. She sounds angry in it, which is the easiest emotion to fake. "It's your entire ISO" sounds a bit forced, as it's not giving a proper example (granted, Wisdom used a similar line in 724). 631 and 632 sound like random names Titus is throwing around, considering she hadn't previously said anything about either Torque or Accountant being scummy.

[DanelerH]

I was at work, i was swamped this week so I only got to post once every so often, and didn't get to read much or give much thought into posts during sometimes, like those you mentioned before. Now that I've cleared that up, is there any other reason you scumread me?

Not particularly. I don't really like the whole "not having reads on Day 1" thing, but that isn't really AI and more of a pet peeve of mine. Anyways, you're currently null (maybe Town-lean) for me now.
UNVOTE: gerryoat

[DanelerH]

Why the hell is him not playing his own game AI zzz
What do you think of Wisdom v Titus?

In 321, Gerry starts the game to get activity going. At the beginning of it, though, he chose not to play. If he cared about it, he would've given a read on Keyenpeydee. It makes me read that post as an attempt to look like he was doing something, while also not doing anything.

As for Wisdom vs Titus, Titus doesn't sound too good. I don't particularly like 630. She sounds angry in it, which is the easiest emotion to fake. "It's your entire ISO" sounds a bit forced, as it's not giving a proper example (granted, Wisdom used a similar line in 724). 631 and 632 sound like random names Titus is throwing around, considering she hadn't previously said anything about either Torque or Accountant being scummy.

You expect me to have the entire game solved by post 1000? When I hate D1?

I'm not angry, but annoyed. Town has poked me. You don't poke mama bear and expect it to be not annoyed.

When did I say anything about solving the entire game? Are you referring to me pointing out you calling out random names? Speaking of which, where did those come from and, on a related note, where did the 50/50 on Aeronaut being scum come from (669)?

[DanelerH]

Vote count positions and explaining why Wisdom is tunnelling on me but avoiding voting me. That suggests Wis/Aeronaut, and scum did not want to overload.

Wis/Kelvin/Aeronaut explains why the wagons are the way they are, but Wisdom could be buddying Aeronaut.

Okay, but how does that explain calling out Torque and Accoutnant (631, 632)?

[DanelerH]

Vote count positions and explaining why Wisdom is tunnelling on me but avoiding voting me. That suggests Wis/Aeronaut, and scum did not want to overload.

Wis/Kelvin/Aeronaut explains why the wagons are the way they are, but Wisdom could be buddying Aeronaut.

Okay, but how does that explain calling out Torque and Accoutnant (631, 632)?

Scumhunting and backups. I no longer think Torque is viable based on reactions, and interactions.

So there was no actual reason? You really were just calling out random names?

[DanelerH]

@Dan

-- what about my posts read town to you? Because I'm not buying you can read me this accurately with never having played with me before.

I don't know. They just feel Towny to me. It's what I have to go on, since I can't Town-hunt well.

I personally am going to leave the Wisdom/Titus thing alone for today, I'd like to see more of DanelerH. His recent posts are unconvincing to me, he's been acting unaware of the fact people scumread him.

I know that I'm being scum-read. It just doesn't matter to me. If you're looking for me to defend myself, I suppose I do have one question that will lead to a defense.

@Wisdom

, why do you scum-read me?

[DanelerH]

WHy are you asking Wisdom and not anyone else?

Because Wisdom's answer is the one I'm most interested in.

[DanelerH]

@Wisdom, why do you scum-read me?

Why are you not voting titus despite what you pointed out in 751?

Why aren't you answering my question?

[DanelerH]

because ive already said i find your posts scummy and the other reason is what i asked you

Explain how my posts are scummy, then.

[DanelerH]

i have no obligation to convince you youre scum

So you're choosing to not explain why you find someone suspicious, then?

[DanelerH]

sure? Its not like i cant get you roped on sheer will

In 647, you said that I'm obvious scum and less capable of fighting it. Despite this, you have given no explanation for why I'm scum. If I'm unable to fight it, why not give an explanation?

[DanelerH]

sure? Its not like i cant get you roped on sheer will

In 647, you said that I'm obvious scum and less capable of fighting it. Despite this, you have given no explanation for why I'm scum. If I'm unable to fight it, why not give an explanation?

This posting serves no purpose other than attempting to discredit my scumread on you

This posting serves no purpose other than to dodge my question.

[DanelerH]

Now, Wisdom, will you please answer my question? Why am I scum?

[DanelerH]

Does dan actually have any town motivation for insisting to hear why hes being scumread? Or is there obvious scum motivation in that?

I have two Town motivations. First, I'm seeing whether or not you're scum based on your response to my question. Second, I can't defend myself against nothing. Once I see why you scum-read me, I can answer why you're wrong.

[DanelerH]

First, I'm seeing whether or not you're scum based on your response to my question

so, whats the verdict?

So far, you aren't looking good, especially due to the lack of an answer.

[DanelerH]

Will you just answer the question already?

[DanelerH]

i believe you know the answer to that

Too bad. Answer it.

[DanelerH]

Thought I already did this:
VOTE: Wisdom

@Mod

, I'm going to be V/LA until May 20, due to finals.

[DanelerH]

VOTE: daneler

back to this

You're still not explaining your reads. Though you explained why in 1129, it's extremely flawed logic. Your "reason" is because then scum can't look like Town, but you also deny the chance for Town to look Town. You did the same thing to Titus. You didn't express your concerns, which gave Titus nothing to defend against, which led to her lynch.
VOTE: Wisdom

@Cabd

, I am not unblockable.

[DanelerH]

VOTE: daneler

1253 bad

I know it was bad, but I had to get it out. Wisdom's anti-Town, single-player playstyle is extremely frustrating to me. Admittedly, I did miss Gamma's post about the soft-confirm (1235; only saw the "yeah" part and thought it was in response to Torque's 1234). I'm not going to throw out the idea that they might be scum together, though this scenario seems improbable.

Cabd's claim that there's only one unblockable on each side sounds promising. I believe it's worth pursuing.
UNVOTE: Wisdom
VOTE: gerryoat

[DanelerH]

LOL
Anyway, I think to optimal course today is to lynch Gerry. I don't know why so many other wagons are forming.

wrong
optimal course is to lynch dan

Don't bother. I'm dying on Night 2.

[DanelerH]

@Dan: Your role states that you die N2? I would think scum would want to keep you for a mislynch target.

I'm a one-shot Lightning Rod. I'm going to be using the action tonight. It's unlikely we have another protective role, so I will most likely die.

I read through for Dan, Frog and Torque, like Frog requested.

What gave me the gut read on Dan was the combination of my earlier read on him and the way he was frustrated. I'd also be frustrated if people were inexplicably calling me scummy, but the way he's acting on it is troubling. 1253 is where he looks the worst. It's misrepresenting how the Titus mislynch happened. I'm not saying frustration can only come from town, but he's basically stopped commenting on anything other than Wisdom.
My initial vote on Dan (442) was mostly because Dan seemed to just be asking questions of other people and not offering his own scumreads. That's not really valid at this point other than he's continuing to not really give reads.

Surely only scum can do this

In order:
1253 was to vent my frustrations. I probably should've left it unposted, but it's too late to do anything about it now.
I was commenting on Wisdom because he was (and still is) my biggest scum-read (Gamma is another, but not as much as Wisdom).
I have since given my reads. Not much has changed, so there hasn't been a need to post an updated one. At the time I had switched my vote to Gerry, it was after Wisdom had been "cleared" by Gamma (reluctantly putting them both as Town), but this has since been disproven.

UNVOTE: gerryoat
VOTE: Wisdom

Third is likely not frogger though, so maybe torque?

After the Global Voyeur claim, that's unlikely. While it could've been a safe assumption that there isn't another investigative role, it still seems a like a very risky claim that scum wouldn't want to make.