Mini Normal 1909: Girls ♥ Girls 1 ~ Endgame

[Fro99er]

I was making a joke about how keyser called me grotesque for saying i'd hammer you at L-1

[Fro99er]

then you said you'd hammer keyser so I called it "grotesque" because he should think that of you for saying that if he thought that of me

[Tammy]

You can't bounce ideas off of me arthur

we used to be so good together

rip titan

Tammy I do enjoy bouncing ideas off you!

And we still work well together.

But I'm also paranoid that this looks a lot similar to laundry mafia where nacho was trying to buddy up to you, except here he did it a little less to you and more to hikari. I know you're townreading him and I generally trust your read on him because it's p accurate most of the time so I would love if you talked to me about why he's town.

In Laundry Mafia he mediated an argument because that's who he is. If he sees me getting really upset in a game, he's going to want to help. He does that quite often for a lot of people regardless of alignment sometimes. OOTS is a good example of what he looks like when he buddies me at the start of the game in a scummy way.

As far as him not being here, I fully expect him to be here today or tomorrow. He's just worked a metric shit ton of overtime the past few days.

His interaction with me at the start of the game wasn't buddying and it wasn't ignoring. He still hasn't quite got the hang of how to interact with me the right amount when he's scum. Here he did.

But beyond that and what's better and more convincing is the amount of game-solvey he was right from the start. Those types of detailed reads and jumping in feet first and pushing the game are far more indicative of his town game. If you look at that meta read case on frogger, that's one example of it. As town he wants to push reads and figure things out and if he finds a bone he pushes it. He might have pushed frogger as scum, but not developed the early game case that he did. The other things are him popping in when he doesn't have much time to shore up reads or interact with people even if it's in a limited way. His popping in to ask Alisae a couple questions but not do a whole lot with it, looks like him seeing something he wanted to figure out if it was off or not.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Keyser (3)- Alisae, Frog, Fire
Titus (4) - Nacho, Hikari, Implosion, Tammy
Ari (3) - SAD, Titus, Gin
Alisae (1) - Keyser
SAD(1) - Ari
Gin(1) - Prism

[Tammy]

I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO AND READING EVERY POST. I'VE ASKED FOR UPDATES ON THOUGHTS. YOU CAN SCUM READ NACHO ALL YOU WANT, YOU'RE JUST WRONG. IF YOU'RE TOWN AND YOU'RE WRONG ON A SCUM READ THEN YOU'RE VIEW OF THE GAME IS WRONG. I'M NOT JUST GOING TO NOT POINT OUT SOMETHING I KNOW IS WRONG.

Tammy let's do yoga.

ohm

I havne't done yoga in a while

[Titus]

then you said you'd hammer keyser so I called it "grotesque" because he should think that of you for saying that if he thought that of me

Can we label this out for those of us who are slower, namely me? k thanks. I thought you were saying my attempts to work with people were grotesque.

[Titus]

I'm heading now now. I may or may not be back tonight.

[Fro99er]

Titus (4) - Nacho, Hikari, Implosion, Tammy

So

Keyser should be making his Town!titus defense

[Fro99er]

Can we label this out for those of us who are slower, namely me? k thanks. I thought you were saying my attempts to work with people were grotesque.

sorry

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: titus


L-2

yes, he should

[Fro99er]

If Titus becomes the lead wagon again I will make another full defence of her slot

[Prism]

I haven't fully read the last few pages as my focus was elsewhere but I'm not getting how this is matching up to town Gin, at all.

[Tammy]

I should probably stop trying to point out where Titus is just incredibly wrong about everything she's stated about me. She will never see the truth, nor will she admit where she's gone wrong.

I just hope that not everyone in this game buys into the bullshit she's said. Keyser can, that's cool.

[Alisae]

Can I L-1 this?

[Prism]

Very opposed. Still think this is town. I get how Tammy thinks it's scum but I don't understand why most people do. Likely scumdriven.

[Fro99er]

Taaaaammmmmmmmyyyyyy

I believe your town case on Nacho. I really do.

Do you think keyser is town, because that post makes it sound like you think keyser is town buying into a scum!Titus' BS

[Tammy]

It's honestly way to early to game solve in my opinion

We game solved like real life day one of dbz one and solved the game in just a couple days. (Granted it was kind of broken but still)

I mean, personally for me I don't get good at scum hunting and game breaking till after the 7 day mark of deadline and I work together with someone.

The main reason I'm trying to shove a townread against both of us is that I want to be pseudo masons for D1 and just bloody break the game

Spoiler:

Subject: Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!

I don't see why you couldn't, especially day 1.Besides, most of us do not have that type of time to devote to anything, so how is the AI?

There is a difference between posting for 8 hours and scumhunting for 8 hours.
Scumhunting is AI from a player because, if a player is scum, they have to either fake it entirely (scumreads), or they have to decide whether they will townread a player and close them off from a lynch or whether they will try to get away with townreading a buddy (townreads).
The way that they scumhunted for 8 hours in particular is important to me because the thought progression becomes much, much harder to fake; there are moments of genuine-looking paranoia, there are reads going to town and then falling back to scum as more of the picture becomes clear, there are moments where it felt like the game was really solved, there's pride in the end result.

You say that most people don't have that type of time to devote to the game - hell yes, it was an extremely rare and unusual circumstance that brought us together for a Thursday night but when a rare and unusual circumstance leads to three people posting and commenting on the game for 8 hours straight, it seems kind of foolish to throw that out the window as not alignment indicative, don't you think?

Like I've said before, if you've brought specific criticisms, bring them up. If you don't have specific criticisms and just have uneasy feelings, there's nothing I've done - I've thought about this game and I've thought about my townreads them in particular for longer than I've thought about most games and so if something is going to chance in my reads, then it will be in response to new information; it won't be because someone tells me to read again.

Does that make sense?

The spoilered is something I've carried in my mind for a long time and brought it into every game I play with Nacho. I'm not even saying I need 8 hours but just a sit down and spitting back and forth is what makes me know if I'm dealing with town or scumcho.

So I mean yeah, I'm shoving a town read down Nacho's throat and it's because my play becomes 10fold accurate when we jam together.

tl;dr: Forcing a town read between us so we can work together to break the game revealing our true alignments.
(Also cuz my mind is like a collage of reads on a billboard and I need a person to bounce them off too so I can start making connections)

I liked this interaction from Gin. Beyond that I'm looking forward to their jam session and hope it will help me get a read on him one way or the other.

[Firebringer]

Never lynching Titus day one.
Just pointing that out.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Particularly, the efforts to engage or extract from others that I've seen are either nonexistent or ring incredibly hollow.

This is like, you're only reason, and everyone knows this isn't true, so they don't care.
876

Refute or get your vote off babe

[Alisae]

Why do you think it's scumdriven prism?
There are a notable amount of counters to Titus.

[Prism]

Looking at the people voting I'm fucking stupid that's likely not scum driven.

Think before you type, folks. That's the lesson here.

[Fro99er]

Can I L-1 this?

Not until Keyser gives his new and improved Titus town case as he promised if she was the leading wagon

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

If anyone hammers before the 7th real life day of day 1 I'm death tunneling you.

[Tammy]

Taaaaammmmmmmmyyyyyy

I believe your town case on Nacho. I really do.

Do you think keyser is town, because that post makes it sound like you think keyser is town buying into a scum!Titus' BS

No, the stuff that titus threw at me and about me was full of lies and somewhat personal. I'm just not going to care anymore; I just hope that people don't actually think that.

I was kinda being snide about keyser because of his statements earlier.

I think keyser has a really good chance of being scum.

[Alisae]

Prism it's okay.
Do you want a hug.
/me hugs Prism
yeah I don't need your permission to give you a hug