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Post Post #2375 (ISO) » Mon May 08, 2017 8:40 pm

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Okay, what I'm going to try to do in the next couple days then is respond to anything that was directed to me in the past 40 pages, see where my townreads stand on things, try to stay at least semi-engaged, look at Keyser's meta that I asked for previously and never got around too, and analyze the current wagons.

@implosion: Definitely don't let that part of yourself control your read. I fully believe that you should never trust me fully. This benefits me as both roles. As town, by telling people not to fully trust me, I'm less likely to be night killed. As scum, I'm less likely to be lynched (and seemingly counter-intuitively, I feel I'm generally less likely to be investigated with PRs). There're other facts at play too, but suffice it to say, it's fairly win-win for me.

And I'll tell you right now that integrity is my meta. Feel free not to believe my self-meta, though if you look at my old games, I would always espouse my self-meta truthly. That's because my primary meta goal used to be consistency in behavior regardless of my role. Consistency through quality work and truthfulness is still important to me, but the most important thing to me is respect towards other players and playing the game with integrity. I used to be a real piece of shit to deal with because I was extremely arrogant, overly opinionated, and at times abusive (and I still can be all of those things at times, despite my best efforts). But I want to grow as a person and a player, so if anybody isn't having fun because I'm being disrespectful or doing something that lacks integrity, then I am failing as both.

Off Topic:
Spoiler:
In post 2358, Firebringer wrote:I love you all


~ Awwww I wubs you too <3 ~
I hope this includes me.

Also, I notice Ali has a cute, new avatar.
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Post Post #2376 (ISO) » Mon May 08, 2017 8:46 pm

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In post 2369, Hikari Link wrote:Yeah, that's what I feel like I've been doing so far and what my general strategy is. I just worry that it isn't helpful because people can't get a read on me, I can't get a full read on everyone else, and I can't help people get a read on everyone else. But this might go back to my own arrogance and need for control. I feel like what I have to add to games is so valuable that I must get it out there as quickly as possible, otherwise people could make bad choices without my input or I could die and my input would be forever lost.
I don't think there's a town player I respect who isn't arrogant (with the exception of maybe DeasVail????). We're playing a game where supposedly each others alignments because ??? and yet still we pretend to know what we're doing; you need to be arrogant to get anything done in a game like this.
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Post Post #2377 (ISO) » Mon May 08, 2017 8:53 pm

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:up: :up: :up:
I am in the top 90% of scumhunters onsite!
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Post Post #2378 (ISO) » Mon May 08, 2017 8:54 pm

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Yeah, you're probably right, Nacho. But one can still have too much arrogance in this game. I've definitely seen it out of players that I have very little respect for. It's especially bad when arrogance completely overrides open-mindedness. One reason I want to understand that is to be able to tell when arrogance seems to be genuinely town-motivated, rather than calculated by scum.
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Post Post #2379 (ISO) » Mon May 08, 2017 9:30 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 2364, implosion wrote:and i know this makes the titus wagon not the leading wagon anymore and therefore makes the pseudo-contract that keyser signed null and void, but it should be useful to see if he does it anyway.

I think the votes/reasons/wagon on Titus can be categorised as
bad
,
emotionally-charged
and
non-alignment indicative
. I feel like there was scum presence on it so I will definitely be picking it apart
today
.

Spoiler:
In post 2372, implosion wrote:Why do you think you're so confident of your reads this game?
Don't you think a player list like this with so many skilled (imo at least) scum players deserves quite a bit of paranoia? Or at least some second-guessing? Idk. Do you think it's just a complete coincidence that the posts that have been made in this game happen to be highly sortable to you based on the way that you tend to read games, or is part of the playstyle that you're adopting to not deviate from the reads that you pick up early even if you see contrary signals?

I have only tried to express factors I personally think are alignment indicative factors and present scum-cases / town-cases.
I will do this until I die.
I have tried to be as clear as possible from the start of D1.
If I have a change of read I will express that in clear terms too.

I.e if I suddenly start doubting Titus is town, I will present a clear argument for why Titus is not town for x, y and z reasons.
If Titus is a null read, I will not talk about Titus, but will sort them in my own way.

So far, no one has convinced me of scum in my town-reads. Neither have I convinced myself of town in my scum-reads.

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In post 2300, nancy wrote:
Votecount 1.17


Titus (5)
~ Nachomamma8, Hikari Link, implosion, Tammy, TheRealGin-N-Tonic
Keyser Söze (3)
~ Fro99er, Firebringer, Alisae
Aristophanes (2)
~ Ser Arthur Dayne, Titus
Ser Arthur Dayne (1)
~ Aristophanes
Alisae (1)
~ Keyser Söze
TheRealGin-N-Tonic (1)
~ Prism


I would not support lynches on Titus, Aristophanes or Ser Arthur Dayne today.
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Post Post #2380 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 12:03 am

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In post 2376, Hikari Link wrote:I hope this includes me.
If you're asking me? Yes!! I love everyone here to bits! (Except Aristophanes, obviously.)


* Wow, mean!! *
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hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
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Post Post #2381 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 2:32 am

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In post 2381, nancy wrote:
In post 2376, Hikari Link wrote:I hope this includes me.
If you're asking me? Yes!! I love everyone here to bits! (Except Aristophanes, obviously.)


* Wow, mean!! *
I meant Firebringer. But I'll take your love too. You can never have too much love.
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Post Post #2382 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:09 am

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In post 2380, Keyser Söze wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 2364, implosion wrote:and i know this makes the titus wagon not the leading wagon anymore and therefore makes the pseudo-contract that keyser signed null and void, but it should be useful to see if he does it anyway.

I think the votes/reasons/wagon on Titus can be categorised as
bad
,
emotionally-charged
and
non-alignment indicative
. I feel like there was scum presence on it so I will definitely be picking it apart
today
.

Spoiler:
In post 2372, implosion wrote:Why do you think you're so confident of your reads this game?
Don't you think a player list like this with so many skilled (imo at least) scum players deserves quite a bit of paranoia? Or at least some second-guessing? Idk. Do you think it's just a complete coincidence that the posts that have been made in this game happen to be highly sortable to you based on the way that you tend to read games, or is part of the playstyle that you're adopting to not deviate from the reads that you pick up early even if you see contrary signals?

I have only tried to express factors I personally think are alignment indicative factors and present scum-cases / town-cases.
I will do this until I die.
I have tried to be as clear as possible from the start of D1.
If I have a change of read I will express that in clear terms too.

I.e if I suddenly start doubting Titus is town, I will present a clear argument for why Titus is not town for x, y and z reasons.
If Titus is a null read, I will not talk about Titus, but will sort them in my own way.

So far, no one has convinced me of scum in my town-reads. Neither have I convinced myself of town in my scum-reads.

Spoiler:
In post 2300, nancy wrote:
Votecount 1.17


Titus (5)
~ Nachomamma8, Hikari Link, implosion, Tammy, TheRealGin-N-Tonic
Keyser Söze (3)
~ Fro99er, Firebringer, Alisae
Aristophanes (2)
~ Ser Arthur Dayne, Titus
Ser Arthur Dayne (1)
~ Aristophanes
Alisae (1)
~ Keyser Söze
TheRealGin-N-Tonic (1)
~ Prism


I would not support lynches on Titus, Aristophanes or Ser Arthur Dayne today.

Yeah, that's not the titus town case we asked for. You were supposed to show where and how people were confbiasing, misrepping her, insulting her, and scumreading her for non-alignment indicative things.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post Post #2383 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:13 am

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Post Post #2384 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:13 am

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Ari/Keyser/implosion scumteam

Thank you all for playing I had great fun.
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Post Post #2385 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:14 am

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I'm with ya on Keyser/Implosion
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Heil King Froggo.
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Post Post #2386 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:14 am

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ALISAE

WHAT'S MY FAVORITE WAY TO PLAY AGAIN???

Because holy that bus from implosion while chainsawing Ari.
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Post Post #2387 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:15 am

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SAD LIKES TO PLAY MAFIA
BY SHEEPING THE BUSSERS
AWWWWWW YAAAAA ;)
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Post Post #2388 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:15 am

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In post 2386, Fro99er wrote:I'm with ya on Keyser/Implosion
Keyser's won't lynch "Titus Ari SAD" makes no sense for why Ari is in there.

And the way implosion bussed while throwing shade on me for attacking Ari to do something is really really bad.
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Post Post #2389 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:16 am

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I believe that's L-1 btw.
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Post Post #2390 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:16 am

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Keyser you are at L-1. Please claim in your next post
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Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post Post #2391 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:16 am

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lol -- didn't get a pedit
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Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post Post #2392 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:17 am

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Or

for fun
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Post Post #2393 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:17 am

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Just for fun

we lynch without a claim
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Post Post #2394 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:18 am

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!!!!

What an amazing idea.
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Post Post #2395 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:18 am

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I mean -- I'm always ok with that

other people get pissy
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Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post Post #2396 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:31 am

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I still hate the Keyser wagon but I haven't been thrilled with his recent replies.

I still think Nacho and Tammy are using arrogance when they should say confidence and the whole thing is just unnecessarily insulting.
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Post Post #2397 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:32 am

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I know Tammy would probably be mad at me for suggesting it after what happened in gay mafia :/

But this time I'm more confident than on formerfish or the other wagons in that game

YOU GOTTA BELIEVE

IN THE HEART OF THE CARDS

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Post Post #2398 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:34 am

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Dw Titus I'm an arrogant player an I'm self aware of that!
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Post Post #2399 (ISO) » Tue May 09, 2017 5:34 am

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I feel really good about this one Titus.

I mean, like I said. I haven't had this feels since I lynched JarJar in Pine's Death Trap.

our silly moderator nancy thought I was bussing JarJar there, that's how sure I was

*ducks*

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Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend

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