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RayFrost · Post Post #1725 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 2:37 pm

Why does it take someone pressuring you for the cases for you to feel motivated?

It's natural town behavior to argue for and push for the lynch of people you suspect. The motivation is in serving the purpose of getting the bad guys.

It's natural scum behavior to not argue for it and let other people do the work for you. There's no motivation because to speak more is to reveal more and stand out, which increases your risk.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1726 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 2:44 pm

Because I wasn't engaged and no one had really pushed me to be active. The deadline being near, people were talking about the complacency of scum and I felt I had to counter that.
Enter a certain accusation in 3,2,...

RayFrost · Post Post #1727 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 2:49 pm

Accusing you of feeling the need to become active to avoid being seen as scum because people are saying the scum are complacent would be silly.

Accusing you of having been complacent this entire game unless people pushed you to be active, which is scummy because scum like to be complacent is in line with what I said originally about your play.

To which your reply is essentially "yes, but I'm not scum."

We'll have to agree to disagree.

RayFrost · Post Post #1728 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 2:50 pm

Anyway, don't let me distract you from putting up your cases. Those are honestly more interesting than having you try to argue with me that I'm wrong.

MortFeld · Post Post #1729 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 2:51 pm

Ray is town?

MortFeld · Post Post #1730 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 2:52 pm

Ray who else might be scum other than GE

RayFrost · Post Post #1731 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 2:55 pm

MM4 is scummy, I wouldn't be surprised if whemestar flipped scum even if I don't think it's the most likely slot to flip that way.

ThinkBig · Post Post #1732 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 2:55 pm

Official Vote Count

WhemeStar

(5): TwoFace,TwoFace, PenguinPower, MMM, Kelvin Smith

PenguinPower

(2): Ircher, BigYoshiFan

Gamma Emerald

(2): Tarkus, RayFrost

Ircher

(2): MortFeld, Gamma Emerald

RayFrost

(1): MarioManiac4

Not Voting

(2): havingfitz, WhemeStar

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-16 18:21:03)

MortFeld · Post Post #1733 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 2:56 pm

In post 1731, RayFrost wrote:MM4 is scummy

Stipulating that I would prefer a quick explanation rather than a case right now, why?

MortFeld · Post Post #1734 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 2:57 pm

Also I now see why Kelvin wants to consolidate so badly.

Sorry for helping to derail.

RayFrost · Post Post #1735 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 2:59 pm

MM4's scummy because I dislike his interactions surrounding the gamma wagon.

And I heavily disagree regarding ircher

RayFrost · Post Post #1736 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 3:02 pm

Consolidation is the deadline compromise. There is nothing wrong with being spread out in opinions and getting our actual beliefs out before compromising.

The easiest way to give scum a free pass is to just argue that we should compromise, not make people argue who they

really

think is scum, and force the false dichotomy of "a or b"

RayFrost · Post Post #1737 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 3:04 pm

And for clarity purposes, my feeling regarding MM4 is not very strong. My only strong point of suspicion at this point in time is Gamma Emerald.

And mm4's vote on me is not related to my suspicion. It's not like he's holding a gun to my head, after all.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1738 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 3:10 pm

Can't really quote since it's hard to quantify, but PP's posts feel deflective and snippy. Like he's trying to convey people who think differently are stupid.

RayFrost · Post Post #1739 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 3:12 pm

How is that scummy instead of merely a bad attitude?

What is the inherent scum motivation to behave in a way that antagonizes people who disagree with you?

MortFeld · Post Post #1740 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 3:19 pm

Rayfrost posting style makes me feel really bad for being lazy

RayFrost · Post Post #1741 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 3:21 pm

While you're here, can you tell me what your thoughts are regarding what I've pointed out regarding GE?

Talking about your feelings is great and I hope we can do that more and develop a friendship as this game progresses, but there are important matters to discuss as deadline looms.

I'm hungry, so I'll go eat food and come back. There's a really nice curry place around the corner where they serve curry + naan bread for like 6 dollars (well, 600 JPY, but still)

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1742 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 3:24 pm

In post 1739, RayFrost wrote:How is that scummy instead of merely a bad attitude?

What is the inherent scum motivation to behave in a way that antagonizes people who disagree with you?

It let's him steer the town how he wants.

PenguinPower · Post Post #1743 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 3:36 pm

In post 1741, RayFrost wrote:While you're here, can you tell me what your thoughts are regarding what I've pointed out regarding GE?

Talking about your feelings is great and I hope we can do that more and develop a friendship as this game progresses, but there are important matters to discuss as deadline looms.

I'm hungry, so I'll go eat food and come back. There's a really nice curry place around the corner where they serve curry + naan bread for like 6 dollars (well, 600 JPY, but still)

Where in Japan? I have family in Akatsuka.

Also, Gamma's push on me is weak. Point out what you are referring to please, because I'm pretty sure I'm being the same I am regardless of alignment. Would like to see how I've setting up to steer town.

MortFeld · Post Post #1744 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 3:38 pm

I'm at work right now and also in one of my spats where I lack any motivation for the game. But I'll definitely talk to you and also to Ircher well before Day end.

MortFeld · Post Post #1745 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 3:38 pm

And I'll also explain the Fitz misrep I keep forgetting to explain LOL

ISO · Post Post #1746 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 3:44 pm

RayFrost's posting currently is making me feel better about the slot.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #1747 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 4:35 pm

In post 1746, Ircher wrote:RayFrost's posting currently is making me feel better about the slot.

RayFrost made you more confident Gamma is town?

Kelvin Smith · Post Post #1748 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 4:36 pm

In post 1709, RayFrost wrote:I'm here, currently working on getting my post completely together. Finding posts I want to highlight and such, etc, etc.

I'm going to put it here that I absolutely abhor the overuse of meta and
anyone
who attempts to ignore me by handwaving what I have to say and saying "but it's that person's
meta
" will incur my wrath.

Someone having a meta of playing scummy is not an excuse to ignore scummy things they do. Do not positively reinforce bad play.

Mind you none of you have done that yet, but I want that out there now before I have to deal with "but I know this person and that's just what they do." I'm not having it.

Sure, that's a great policy, in theory. In practice, it means you mislynch people because they have a suboptimal playstyle.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #1749 (ISO) » Sat May 13, 2017 4:37 pm

In post 1566, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 1559, PenguinPower wrote:Why leave out the post where I said I didn't want to push for Hikari's lynch today? Why leave out the post progression leading up to me voting Wheme - ya know, his "lol" "its a joke"? Rubbed me wrong, and I now I want him gone.

Also, both of my stated reads involving their reads were not solely based on that, and I stated as much. You shouldn't be so proud when you obviously made a shallow read through.

I don't have three I'm willing to lynch. I'll lynch Gamma or Wheme.
Can you include all the posts you're referring to here?

@PP, please.