LoL eSports Discussion

[zoraster]

Tahm Kench is a good pairing for Wild Turtle.

[Voidedmafia]

Tahm Kench is a good pairing for Wild Turtle.

True. A lot better at keeping him safe than Braum. Although I'm surprised Braum has come back into the meta. It might just be because he and Tahm are who's left when Karma and Lulu are gone (and Malz and Zyra), but I guess I figured he'd be a couple choices back.

Super happy Svenskeren didn't do a sloppy early invade this game, though.

[zoraster]

that was amazing and sloppy and amazing.

[Iecerint]

Yes

[Voidedmafia]

Holy shit, TSM should NOT have won that. Holy fuck.

P-EDIT: That's just about the only way you can explain that.

[Voidedmafia]

"Did we jinx SKT enough?"

You can't jinx SKT. SKT can only jinx themselves.

[Voidedmafia]

SLAY CANNOT DIE!

Except when he pulls a Rekkles and chases an illusionary triple.

[Voidedmafia]

And now G2 actually has a good early game.

Hey, Zor, what was the name of the League site chat again? Just League?

[zoraster]

uh i don't think it's up anymore, but feel free to start one

[Voidedmafia]

Huh. Is it no longer there because no one's in it...?

Wow, FW. What happened to you? At this rate we can only guarantee FW won't be advancing short of going 6-4, while everything else seems to be in complete flu and chaos.

[Voidedmafia]

So...SKT, WE, G2, and one of TSM/GAM, it looks like now?

[zoraster]

i mean TSM, GAM and FW all have the same record...

[Voidedmafia]

i mean TSM, GAM and FW all have the same record...

True, but given the FW's record I kinda have them on the failing end of those three. Unless they upsurge tomorrow and go 2-0. That seems to be how their pendulum swings this tourney.

[zoraster]

Anyway, there's a lot of time left. Other than SKT, who I think has locked in their spot, everyone else is either 3-3 or 2-4. A bad Sat/Sun from a 3-3 team or a good day from a 2-4 team easily could have G2 or WE going out.

Everyone has played one "double" game so far (i.e. the return game). Those were:

WE vs. TSM (1-1)
GAM vs. SKT (0-2)
G2 vs. FW (2-0)

So arguably GAM has the easiest schedule left as they play every team EXCEPT SKT again. G2 is in a good spot as their only double game they aced meaning they win a head-to-head with Flash Wolves. WE and TSM will have to play again if they tie.


Right now it's kind of awesome actually. Every game except SKT's is meaningful to both teams. Arguably the 2-4 teams playing is the most meaningful, but that's only slightly the case.

Saturday Games

WE vs. G2
TSM vs. GAM
FW vs. SKT
G2 vs. GAM
TSM vs. SKT
FW vs. WE

Sunday Games

SKT vs. G2
TSM vs. FW
WE vs. GAM
TSM vs. G2
FW vs. GAM
SKT vs. WE

After today, before panicking remember that TSM (along with GAM and FW) will have played SKT twice but G2 and WE won't have yet.

[Voidedmafia]

What did Sjokz mean about a 6-man team? ARe TSM gonna try to have a dedicated 6th man to swap in and out for Summer?

In any case, that game wasn't over clean but still a god win for TSM. They've got 1 of 3 potential victories, and if G2 beats GAM that should mean that the Marines are out without a tiebreaker match.

[zoraster]

Yes. DL and WT. I have a hard time believing that'll last into the playoffs though. I imagine part of the thought is DL won't have integrated well until a bit in the season plus it doesn't feel fair to turtle

[SleepyKrew]

Holy crap MSI is still going?

[zoraster]

It's not even into the knockouts.

[Voidedmafia]

Where was this Flash Wolves at the start of the tourney? Where were the godkillers we knew of back in '16 until now?

P-EDIT: Fair to Turtle to initiate this, or fair to have Turtle for Spring and then shuttle him out in Summer?

[zoraster]

The latter

[Voidedmafia]

But does DL still feel like the obvious upgrade above Turtle? Is it possible that this could make both of them work on any individual issues in their play?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

TsM kinda feels like the team without a threat noeadays. With Hauntzer shotcalling and him falling behind, TSM just feels like a team that just collapses. The decisionmaking in the team feels poor. If DL comes back he better statt shotcalling again or TSM wont improve

[PJ.]

I'm still shocked that TSM was so transparent about the doublelift situation and still picked up a fairly great ADC to keep the seat warm(also shocked that DL ended up playing the split instead of commiting to his split of streaming).

Also crazy that NV didn't get relegated

[zoraster]

Stolen from Reddit:

SKT

:
Best case scenario - If SKT wins out, they'll place first in groups.
Worst case scenario - SKT loses both games and ends in a first place tie with WE. The two will then play to determine who gets the first place seed.
Bottom line - SKT is good to go. As long as they beat WE, they’ll secure first place.

WE

:
Best case scenario - If WE wins both games, and SKT loses both games, they'll be in tie for first place.
Worst case scenario - If WE loses both games, they'll have the same record as either G2, TSM, FW, or GAM. The only team they'll lose the head-to-head with is GAM, and they would play TSM to determine the tiebreaker. Because of their current standings, they've secured a playoff spot, but they could end up as the fourth seed if the team implodes.
Bottom line - WE is in. They just need to beat GAM to get second place.

G2

:
Best case scenario - If G2 wins out, they'll secure a spot in the top 4. Since they lose the head-to-head with WE, the best they can expect is a third place finish.
Worst case scenario - If G2 loses both games, they won't qualify for the playoffs.
Bottom line - G2 needs to avoid losing to TSM, because if they do, they’re definitely out. Even if they beat SKT, it won’t matter if they can’t succeed against their North American counterparts.

TSM

:
Best case scenario - If TSM wins both games, they'll secure their spot in the playoffs. If WE loses out, TSM could win the tiebreaker to be the second seed.
Worst case scenario - If TSM loses both games, they don't make it to playoffs.
Bottom line - TSM either has to beat FW and then win a tiebreaker against G2, or beat G2 outright. Losing both games is the only way they’ll definitely be disqualified.

FW

:
Best case scenario - If they win out, then FW will advance. They lose the tiebreaker to WE, so the best they can hope for is a third seed.
Worst case scenario - If FW loses both games, they do not qualify for playoffs.
Bottom line - If FW wins at least one game their chances for survival are high. They’re already a game up on TSM and GAM, so that bodes well for them entering into tomorrow. They’re only in trouble if they end up in a tie with G2, who will take the head-to-head matchup.

GAM

:
Best case scenario - If GAM wins both of their games, they'll qualify for playoffs. That would mean they would win the head-to-head against WE, so they could finish as high as second place.
Worst case scenario - If GAM loses both games, they're out of the tournament.
Bottom line - GAM needs to beat FW in order to give themselves the best chance of advancing. This would give them a tied record with every team (except SKT), so they would have a second chance to redeem themselves and make it to the playoff stage.

[zoraster]

Essentially, every team can win both their games and get to semis. SKT and WE have qualified, but WE could theoretically get 4th place and have to face SKT first.

G2 vs. TSM, 4th game of the day, is hugely consequential. Essentially, the team that wins gets to the semis. It's possible that both G2 and TSM could get in if G2 beats TSM and TSM beats FW (twice, once for a tiebreaker).

As is normal, there are a number of tiebreaker situations. Tiebreaker for 3rd seed is pretty important too as that avoids playing SKT until the finals.