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Post Post #700 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 9:36 am

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In post 689, Firebringer wrote:I get the opinion this group is becoming less RP and too mechanical for my tastes.
I hate us always making decisions on just what is the most optimal.
Yeah, I'd rather play a good game and really do what I/the character wants to do than feel forced into something to either Min/Max or detract from your experience.

Glad you raised your concern though so we can hopefully correct any issues and keep this up.
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Post Post #701 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 9:40 am

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Post Post #702 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 9:48 am

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fire if it helps raia is horribly unoptimized
i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess

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Post Post #703 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 11:10 am

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Bisons are amazing rp wise and solid mechanically if you want a really fluffy friend.
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Post Post #704 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 11:11 am

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I recommend The Ape or Bison

Ape might be better :)
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Post Post #705 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 1:47 pm

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So I'd like to take a moment and talk about last session - the fight where half the party abandoned the other half.

I originally wasn't going to say anything, but FG was like 'have you guys talked to ether and postie yet' and I only now realized that sorting this out might be a good idea for the health of the group.

Ether, we're always in danger. Rose sitting out only makes fights worse without the CC. Rose showed up to the fight and the tables turned.
Postie, Achan running off in the middle of the fight for an unknown reason put all of us in danger because we lost THE biggest melee damage dealer AND our best tank via AC since Sigma was absent.


I understand that you might be concerned about your character, but maybe consider what it would be like if YOU were the one bleeding out on the ground while half the party abandoned you. Because it could have been much worse than Erwin dying. When I left the game early to get on the road, Fiona was bleeding out on the ground, and Hellion and Growlithe were alone against a boss, alone and likely facing a TPK. Which no one wants to be part of.


I am fine having Erwin die in our party of three, trying to save his best friend and the woman he loves because I did everything I could.
I'm ok losing a character if I make a poor decision or take a risk that doesn't pay off. That's 100% on me.
I'm NOT ok with Erwin dying in a party of five where two people chose to be non-combatants and leave everyone else to die.


Now I'm still interested in playing the campaign and I'm trying to design a new character since we might be too early for resurrection and I personally dislike the concept, but I'd like to know if I should expect more of the same going forward. Because I can't be an effective front-liner without support, and I can't be an effective back-liner if the front-line runs away in a fight. Maybe we need to have a talk about if we still play if we're missing people, given this seems to be a recurring trend and the reason Ether didn't want to play given Sigma was MIA.
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Post Post #706 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 2:06 pm

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When I saw the nature of the fight, I knew it was something we could probably handle as a group without Sigma, but I felt like I'd made my bed and it'd be shitty to only ask to join after having the luxury of that risk assessment. I felt too guilty to ask and didn't realize it was an option until Postie said she was running and FakeGod asked, "To get Rose?" Even then, he didn't let me enter the fray until Achan tagged me in.

My vote was to hold out and wait for Dunnstral, even if that meant missing the session, not for you guys to risk your lives while I stayed safe--but I was outnumbered and everyone else wanted to play. On the information I had, which was expecting more ghouls, I'm still not sure I was in the wrong.
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Post Post #707 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 3:47 pm

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Would it be annoying or helpful if I had rage/devotion "timers" (symbols with numbers) on Sigma's token?
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Post Post #708 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 4:52 pm

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I'd rather you have asked and/or bit the bullet and ran in than sitting there.
I mean whatever Rose would do she'd do but the whole situation was bad to worse without you and:
In post 706, Ether wrote:FakeGod asked, "To get Rose?"
I'd bet that this was FG trying to save us by allowing you to show up since you hadn't asked if you could.
This is just idle speculation though. It wouldn't be the first time he's nudged us into/away from death.
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Post Post #709 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 6:17 pm

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Well if we're laying out all out so be it, I agree with a lot of what Andy's said but to put it into my own words. I don't know why any of you signed up and that's your own issue/goal I joined to have fun RP as a character and do my best, Would I like to win and make to the end? Yeah of course I would! But I'd rather lose playing how I think my character would play it out then do the "this is super optimal this is the right thing to do" I don't have a problem with Rose or Achan leaving mostly because it seems like something they'd do. What I have an issue is atm it's a "the world circles around sigma" game at the moment.

Do you think we wanted to just throw our characters into it knowing they could die? No of course not everyone spent time and effort making them we're attached to these characters, (some more than others) I can't speak for anyone who kept going but I know for me I was 100% going into that expecting Fiona to die I kept going because I wanted to play have fun and I knew that's what she'd do we shouldn't hold ourself back just because it could be wrong to do something
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Post Post #710 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 6:29 pm

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It sounds like people have a problem with sigma being too strong?

What are you saying Maria

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Post Post #711 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 6:34 pm

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No Dunn it's not that at all I don't mind the fact that Sigma is strong it's great really! I don't like that if you're not here we're basically having a huge huge fallback and I want to try and get us stronger to get on your level.
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Post Post #712 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 6:38 pm

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I think the final boss fight really really put it into view for me without Sigma we were fucked I'm just trying to figure out how to balance everyone out.
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Post Post #713 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 6:45 pm

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We have a lot more members so what we lose in EXP we need to use in teamwork I'm trying to figure out how we do this though.
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Post Post #714 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 6:52 pm

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In post 705, Andrius wrote:Ether, we're always in danger. Rose sitting out only makes fights worse without the CC. Rose showed up to the fight and the tables turned.
Postie, Achan running off in the middle of the fight for an unknown reason put all of us in danger because we lost THE biggest melee damage dealer AND our best tank via AC since Sigma was absent.


I understand that you might be concerned about your character, but maybe consider what it would be like if YOU were the one bleeding out on the ground while half the party abandoned you. Because it could have been much worse than Erwin dying. When I left the game early to get on the road, Fiona was bleeding out on the ground, and Hellion and Growlithe were alone against a boss, alone and likely facing a TPK. Which no one wants to be part of.


I am fine having Erwin die in our party of three, trying to save his best friend and the woman he loves because I did everything I could.
I'm ok losing a character if I make a poor decision or take a risk that doesn't pay off. That's 100% on me.
I'm NOT ok with Erwin dying in a party of five where two people chose to be non-combatants and leave everyone else to die.
To go on this, I think it was fine for Postie to do what she was doing, though honestly the more i think about it I REALLY THINK she should have given us a heads up on this that she was planning to develop her character this way so we don't just go "WTF is going on", because it literally happened out of nowhere. I get she was doing her character development but it kind of developed out of thin air, one minute Achan charges into battle recklessly and the next she starts running when things go sour. Never fully explored her character so didn't understand the change, i think making choices in character is generally good but try to be respectful of your party members to not intentionally screw them over without a heads up is also good.

Ether...I was really upset about you abandoning and then joining. Like you wanted us to not do the session so that we wouldn't TPK but you leaving the group meant that a TPK was more likely, I know you thought we were facing ghouls so you wouldn't be useful but i think thats just not true even if we were facing ghouls.
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Post Post #715 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 8:16 pm

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In post 712, MariaR wrote:I think the final boss fight really really put it into view for me without Sigma we were fucked I'm just trying to figure out how to balance everyone out.
Keep in mind that sigma is actually the fourth character I've come up with here while most others were/are on their first
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Post Post #716 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 11:32 pm

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SO hey guys, my backup character is coming along NICELY, though I've got a feat slot open from human paragon (I'll show you guys what it means to be a HUMAN *dies in 1 session*)

So I've been kind of wondering what I'd take in that slot and I've kind of narrowed it down to 3 choices. Do I want to take the Run feat so I can run as fast as Postie ran away from her companions; the Arterial Strike feat so I can backstab enemies like Ether backstabbed the group by leaving them to fend for themselves; or the Stealthy feat so I can disappear like Giga did?
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Post Post #717 (ISO) » Tue May 16, 2017 11:32 pm

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Spoiler:
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Post Post #718 (ISO) » Wed May 17, 2017 5:27 am

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In post 709, MariaR wrote:I don't have a problem with Rose or Achan leaving mostly because it seems like something they'd do
I don't recall the decision being made because of what Rose would do - Ether was concerned about undead and I thought it was Ether didn't want to play without Dunn, not because
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In post 711, MariaR wrote:No Dunn it's not that at all I don't mind the fact that Sigma is strong it's great really! I don't like that if you're not here we're basically having a huge huge fallback and I want to try and get us stronger to get on your level.
Basically this.
I'm more irritated with the fact that YOU [Dunn] not being here is the #1 reason why we consider not playing. That's bull - we should have a decent enough party to run without any two people most days. We've never had a problem with it before since we KNOW we're at a disadvantage and can plan accordingly. Fortunately its never been a problem before last session because you've [Dunn] always been here.

And me making a Support Cleric is not the answer to a stronger party if you [Dunn] can't make a session.
The answer is something only a blade can provide.

So, yes, we need a cleric.
But we also need someone who can do some/most/all of the combat roles Sigma provides in the event that you miss another session.
In post 714, Firebringer wrote:honestly the more i think about it I REALLY THINK she should have given us a heads up on this that she was planning to develop her character this way so we don't just go "WTF is going on", because it literally happened out of nowhere. I get she was doing her character development but it kind of developed out of thin air, one minute Achan charges into battle recklessly and the next she starts running when things go sour.
You worded this perfectly. If we KNEW we couldn't trust Achan then I'd literally play as if we were one party member down at all times, and there was no way I'd support a 3-man party in what is supposed to be a 7-person campaign. The false pretense of having an extra character hurt us since we didn't know charge-headlong-into-four-berserkers-Achan would go 100% coward.
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Post Post #719 (ISO) » Wed May 17, 2017 5:29 am

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I'll be working on my character soon, so inform me if there's any roles you need filled
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Post Post #720 (ISO) » Wed May 17, 2017 5:39 am

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In post 719, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'll be working on my character soon, so inform me if there's any roles you need filled
We are currently too full and cannot accommodate more players!

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Post Post #721 (ISO) » Wed May 17, 2017 5:40 am

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I'll still create a character so alert me if any role is needed.
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Post Post #722 (ISO) » Wed May 17, 2017 5:22 pm

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So we briefly talked about doing a RP session on Sunday instead of our normal session since FG will be gone.

When would you all be available to do this, because I'm sure my fellow west-coasters would enjoy not waking up at six if it can be helped.
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Post Post #723 (ISO) » Wed May 17, 2017 5:41 pm

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Any time people show up on sunday

Preferably at least 3 hours after the session usually starts
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Post Post #724 (ISO) » Wed May 17, 2017 6:04 pm

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In post 718, Andrius wrote:
In post 714, Firebringer wrote:honestly the more i think about it I REALLY THINK she should have given us a heads up on this that she was planning to develop her character this way so we don't just go "WTF is going on", because it literally happened out of nowhere. I get she was doing her character development but it kind of developed out of thin air, one minute Achan charges into battle recklessly and the next she starts running when things go sour.
You worded this perfectly. If we KNEW we couldn't trust Achan then I'd literally play as if we were one party member down at all times, and there was no way I'd support a 3-man party in what is supposed to be a 7-person campaign. The false pretense of having an extra character hurt us since we didn't know charge-headlong-into-four-berserkers-Achan would go 100% coward.
I did mention to you guys just after the troll fight ended that Achan had grown distant from the rest of the party and valued saving Allea above all else. Achan also specifically said that he wanted to leave at the first sign of trouble. This was a perfectly natural consequence of both of those things. And sure maybe I could have been clearer about the whole thing but I didn't know exactly how things would play out until Achan got into that situation. No one said they had a problem with it when I brought up that that's what Achan would do, so that's what he did. I would have been happy to have him stay and fight if anyone had said they preferred it that way.
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