Mini 1904: Rad Idea Mafia! (Endgame!)

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

So 3 have 3 people left to claim.

@Rautherdir - 3rd card?

[SnarkySnowman]

Align doesn't matter 1svt. I had 2 town cards and one non-town card. My choices if I went non-town for alignment were vanilla or gravedigger, both of which sucked.

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

Align doesn't matter 1svt. I had 2 town cards and one non-town card. My choices if I went non-town for alignment were vanilla or gravedigger, both of which sucked.

Well it does matter actually. The less information scum have the better.
If you have a role which is in the list multiple times to a role that is only there once, then it is better to keep the unique role hidden, wouldn't you agree?

Lets see how many claim VT as their align card though.

[SnarkySnowman]

Ah, you're right actually. I didn't think of that, and certainly hadn't thought about that when picking cards

[Rautherdir]

My cards were
Town Seer
Town FBI Agent
Town Ascetic

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

My cards were
Town Seer
Town FBI Agent
Town Ascetic

I believe Rauth to be town btw.
Unless anyone tries to call him out for his cards, I wouldn't agree to a lynch here today.
The small amount of discussion involving Rauth/LUV tells me that he's not WW regardless.
And I believe the whole situation of all 3 cards same align on day 1.

So as of right now, Rauth and Sonia are not the lynch options for today.

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

I am not on the list, but feel I should be, eh whatever, 2 shto bullet proof.

I thought this was snarky my bad.
Okay, and what was your 3rd card?

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

So time to go over ISO's.
I'm going to start with my top scum read and work it down, that way I can be biased in my reading (that's a joke, which I expect you to laugh at).
123Tip is talking about IC being a boring role and there for not taking it.

# Awaiting mod confirmation before comment

So the first mention of players is in 136 where Tip wants to lynch Ircher even if town. I don't think that was a terrible thought to have due to Ircher's role, but I think he worded it wrong regardless of align. He mentions about having roles that could be seen as SK or scum, so I fully believe the BP claim. Talks about 105 being a scum post, but doesn't act on it and finishes with LUV being town (who we know was WW). LUV wasn't at risk early on, so to me that read looks genuine. However, I'm just about to check Tip's scum games to see how he presents himself with his scum buddies.

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So in this game, he distances himself from his scum buddy.

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Again, no early conversation on putting his team mates as town, and even distancing himself from team mates.

So at least we know that Tip is very unlikely to hit WW here.

However, 136 also says that he has been scum a lot recently. Checking through his games, this appears to be an out right lie, to probably try and distract away from that. Keeping in mind he has 2 completed scum games, 1 being in 2014 (correct me if I missed any completed games, Tip). It's an odd comment to make when you have hit a lot of town roles in recent games.

So getting ion with the ISO - 186 not a lot, says that previous posts were bad again, but not a lot to back it. Says that Radical looks town, but we know that Radical is self aligned so that matters not.
285 I don't see too much against the vote. and it did shortly end up with 295 to unvote. But I don't like how he wants to recheck Chickadee and Radical here, considering Chickadee doesn't look good to him anyway. Surely someone that posts badly should already be looked at.

I like 299 in favour to a town minded process. Not really much else to say on it. 315 contradicts this though as he's giving reason rather than his opposed reason, he was bored and had no reads. 321 just shows more that it was a legit scum read, rather than not having a read and randomly attacking.

415 I didn't like at the time, and I don't like now. In what universe do scum pay attention more than town? It's split even. Town make genuine mistakes, scum are looking for reasons to post and scum read therefore miss basic notes. The fact he was ready to do this just tells me he didn't want to bash heads.

447 and 458 is pushing on Sonia, because it looks like an easy push at that stage. There's no back with 447 and if I didn't feel strongly with your early town read being genuine, I'd suspect a WW align here. The reasoning of the vote looks to be forced, and with minimal effort.

One thing that I find scum do is talk negative to town lynches, and 539 could easily be a seen as pushing back to the negative to where people pushed. For the overall argument though it's NAI but I'll let my biased thoughs kick in here and say that this post was scum motivated.

Rest is more or less filler until 559. Looking at Tip's other games, he has a habbit or going AFK, or replacing out, so sure that seems legit. However, he chucks a vote down in 563 from a weak reasoning, putting a player to L2 in what is MYLO (yes, it is, not that it may be) and knowing that at any point he cannot retract or discuss the vote. That's not a town mindset.

So we know that Tip is a 2 shot BP, and took this over IC. He claims that IC was boring, but what is fun about 2 shot BP?

So @Tip - This is what I need from you. What 2 shot BP was it? You have 88 2 shot BP Survivor or 91 2 shot BP SK.
What was your align card
Did I miss any scum games as of recent, and if so which ones?

Please note I will be doing the other ISO's, so a lot could change depending on how theirs result.

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

123Tip is talking about IC being a boring role and there for not taking it. # Awaiting mod confirmation before comment

Okay, so going by this. I wanted actual confirmation that IC can only be town as I thought this was bastard, it's not bastard. So this means that Tip couldn't take the role if taking taking a scum role for me. Although I don't disagree with an IC throw away, taking BP over IC is terrible and the reasoning just doesn't match up.
I'm sure the 3rd card (align) can give some light on it though.

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

So snarky.

I'm not sure how to go through this, once again it's pretty abysmal from snarky.

First entrance post is just talking about the discard 143.
next actual post in the game is 543 where snarky wants a mass claim. As I already stated, Snarky claims there to be 2 Mafia and a 3rd party. This just seems like a slip and that snarky is Mafia with someone else. Otherwise why would it not be 2+ scum or whatever? Even asks for thoughts and order of the claim.
544 Still up for a mass claim. Changes Mafia to WW and 3rd party but then also refers to them as scum. Doesn't think for a second there could be a vigilante, which tells me that she was involved in one of the kills. Could be telling the truth here, and mistook 2 scum being left. But I can't see anything to suggest this mistake. Either way, snarky is going to be Mafia or WW, but deciding which one is crucial to how I vote.
562 voting Riley even though a mass claim was suggested by snarky and in 594 is saying that she shouldn't claim... When it was her original suggestion.

As I said, this ISO is abysmal but what I get from it - Snarky doesn't want to reveal information, but looked happy to bait it at the start of the day. Slipped at being scum and had the mind set that there is another killer.

@Snarky - All I want from you is your role.

[SnarkySnowman]

I was happy to claim but my role is on the list of "don't claim please"

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

So Riley / Ialwayswinsometimes.

Ialways had nothing of interest to the game, not from what I can see.
210 Defends chickadee to a level against LUV.
212 lynching in accordance to possibility. Not a bad thought in early stages. Up to here Riley is mostly NAI but 215 kind of rules out any information before hand apart from actual reads.
345 and 347 are directed and LUV. I'm going to look into Riley's games to see how he reacts to team mates.

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No interaction with his scum buddy at all (only 11 posts before a lynch).

I can't find any other scum games.

560 needs explaining as this comment isn't standard from a town point of view. It also goes with 506 where Riley wanted slysly lynched for the shot.

Overall, depending on the rest of claims, I don't want to lynch here over snarky or Tip.

@Riley - Please give your other 2 roles and what your role is, plus any night actions you might have

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

I was happy to claim but my role is on the list of "don't claim please"

Well I disagree with the list.
I think everyone not claiming here is more beneficial for scum to hide.

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

Sonia / Necta

Necta is NAI for me.

So with Sonia, I'm just going to start from where her ISO matters. 446 scum wouldn't push or antagonise a shot on them so easily... This is with the assumption that BP only works at night (correct me if it covers day vigs too 452 makes me think correctly too).
459 Keeps it up. Could be considered to play the fear card by calling it a scum claim, but the risk to reward situation is too high.
515 already states information on Sonia's role. Unless it's a bluff.

So this is what we have on Sonia - I visited last night, there were 2 kills last night and Sonia didn't die. This means that Sonia is either BP or isn't the killer. It's plausible that 446 was with thought of being BP, but Sonia wouldn't 1 - give away herr role so easily as scum and 2 - have a different understanding that the normal to a role like BP. Therefore with it being summed up, I actually strongly think that Sonia is town.

@Sonia - given that it's MyLo, do you honestly believe it's better to not give up your role?
I think if you do claim, it has to be last though.

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

@Mod - Can we know the align cards of the dead players?

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

I'll do Rautherdir tomorrow or whatever as I'm tired, but my mind is already made up.

Right now we have (I'll update in accordance)

1SVT
Role - PArrot
Align - Mason - PT message 1 shot
Discard - Private Invest


Rautherdir
Role - Town Seer
Align - Town FBI Agent
Discard - Town Ascetic

Snarky
Role - ???
Align - VT
Discard - Gravedigger

Tip
Role - 2 shot BP
Align - ??
Discard - IC

Sonia
Role - ??
Align - ??
Discard - Replicant Bloodsucker

Riley
Role - ??
Align - ??
Discard - Alien Doppelganger

[JerryArr]

@Mod - Can we know the align cards of the dead players?

Not until after the game, no.

[Rautherdir]

I'll be able to reveal my night 1 action in a bit...

[Rautherdir]

Night 1 action: No Action taken.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

@Sonia - what was your align card?

Vanilla town

Sonia / Necta

Necta is NAI for me.

So with Sonia, I'm just going to start from where her ISO matters. 446 scum wouldn't push or antagonise a shot on them so easily... This is with the assumption that BP only works at night (correct me if it covers day vigs too 452 makes me think correctly too).
459 Keeps it up. Could be considered to play the fear card by calling it a scum claim, but the risk to reward situation is too high.
515 already states information on Sonia's role. Unless it's a bluff.

So this is what we have on Sonia - I visited last night, there were 2 kills last night and Sonia didn't die. This means that Sonia is either BP or isn't the killer. It's plausible that 446 was with thought of being BP, but Sonia wouldn't 1 - give away herr role so easily as scum and 2 - have a different understanding that the normal to a role like BP. Therefore with it being summed up, I actually strongly think that Sonia is town.

@Sonia - given that it's MyLo, do you honestly believe it's better to not give up your role?
I think if you do claim, it has to be last though.

How do we know there were 2 kills

Atm I like Rauther and 1 shot I'm worried about snarky but admittedly I can't read that slot very well at all working on TD

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Wait I am dumb 2 people died lol

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Me claiming today would not help us what so ever and would only make it worse on us all.

[TiphaineDeath]

I am in vegas and soooo not putting in any effort right now.

I think my cards were

Town Fruit Vendor
Two-shot Bulletproof Serial Killer
Town Innocent Child

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

Riley, you're up!
Snarky, you're up!

[SnarkySnowman]

1-shot werewolf pgo was my last card