Micro 710: Backup6 (Game Over)

[FireScreamer]

I hardclaim masons with FireScreamer.

VOTE: EchoVision

That was LAST game.
VOTE: MM

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damnit i formatted my picture wrong. :sadface:

There ya go.

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Is that based on desire to form wagons early? Cause I disagree with that philosophy.

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You read 20 as tryharding?

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Is that tryharding or just responding to someone who interacted with him?

Also looking at TB's 2017 games where he was an original player (based on his wiki) he naked votes regardless of alignment in RVS.

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That's fair. I think both reads are fo reals on NAI things but I like your moxie.

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Is that tryharding or just responding to someone who interacted with him?

Also looking at TB's 2017 games where he was an original player (based on his wiki) he naked votes regardless of alignment in RVS.

how did you check TB's 2017 games in less than five minutes?

Went onto his wiki. He formats it super nice. Sorted by TB posts in games he started (which he also helpfully labels) and looked at the first post.

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It isn't a huge sample size but it shows naked votes as either alignment as his first RVS post.

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yeah alright.

WHO'S SCUM :p

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So do ya townread me for tryharding TB's meta?

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wtf radja scumreads me every game what is this

I'm not scumreading you. I said it was working.

Hence thier confusion

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So do ya townread me for tryharding TB's meta?

You have given me an example that I am wrong with that tho.
I feel so enlightened

I didn't though. I gave you an example of why TB's not trying isn't indicative for exactly TB. I questioned whether Radja was tryharding at all. At no point did I provide an example where townreading tryharding was wrong.

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yeah alright.

WHO'S SCUM :p

its u tho

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My vote isn't RVS any more btw.

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Sorry MM. You gotta be town for us to have town cohesion.

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Sorry MM. You gotta be town for us to have town cohesion.

That's fine. I'm town.
What are the other requirements?

You have to make me believe that.

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Seriously though guys. MM is scum and you should be voting them.

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>MM states they are townreading Radja's effort
>I make a tryhardy attempt to examine the TB read
>I ask to be townread for it
>Initially I get a denial that tryharding is a townread because I "refuted" it
>I tell MM that no I didn't, I refuted the other thing, you by your own logic should still townread tryharding
>MM laughs it off and gives me a townread

MM got multiple chances for the correct response of "of course I don't townread you for that, you just read what I was townreading and became it".

You could say MM's responses are just joking RVS stuff. but the reason they gave for giving the intial two reads in the first place was to get out of RVS.

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MM was presented with me acting strangely. They did not investigate or question it. They acted sheepishly around it. Town react inquisitively to strange events. Scum are suspicious of them and are wary.

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There's denial. Let's see if we can push this through to acceptance one vote at a time.

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Okey Dokey

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Correct. Instead I got "You proved it isn't a towntell" (which I didn't) followed by "Heres your townread" (which is absurd).

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Followed by "I was just goofing off, are you being serious?" when MM expresses a desire to move away from RVS in 27

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That wasn't going anywhere? You posted that desire in 27 and everything i'm reading you for came within about 20 minutes of that.

Exactly when did you decide that wasn't going anywhere?

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I'm down! I claim scum. Oops!

Are you evading the question asked of you at the bottom of page 2?

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I wasn't shitposting. Radja wasn't really shitposting. Where did the game descend into shitposting?

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I refuse to take "I was only pretending" as an answer.

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So TB. You hate RVS. Now something non RVS has happened. You townread me for making the read, what do you think about the read itself? What do you think about MM's reaction to it?

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Why are you chastising someone for putting someone at L-1 when you are on the wagon with an RVS vote and have just said you agree with my read on MM.

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Oh you did change your vote never mind I can't read.

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Belisarius/MarioManiac4 team (?)

P-edit: I know I'm not sorted. That's pretty much what I said.

That's where I am at just now.

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Belisarius/MarioManiac4 team (?)

P-edit: I know I'm not sorted. That's pretty much what I said.

That's where I am at just now.

Lol. It would be funny if we solved the game page two and three.

>We

I guess you watched

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Let's consolidate our votes TB. Your place or mine?

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I think the read on Bell is a lot more contingent on a red MM than vice versa. So MM should go first.

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Is TB buddying me Maker?

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Agreeing with that reasoning isn't what pinged me, cause I think the reasoning is pretty obviously solid. What pinged me was when I asked which wagon we should consolodate on he offered to let me pick, when as I just said I think there was a clear right answer.

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VOTE: maker

this is probably the best vote and not for the same reasons as last game

Then why?

How do you read ThinkBig just now?

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What was shitty about it?

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Bells reaction to my MM case wasnt to try and understand it, work with me on it or help me to understand his problems with it. It was purely to discredit it.

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Sure. But he did a scummy thing and MM did a scummy thing.

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Why is Mario town? Why is Bell scum?

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Which stuff and why do you like them?

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Why? Do you think that my questioning is insincere?

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I am townreading TB because they agree with everything I say. Discuss

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Does it?

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I don't think it sounds like me at all. I think TB should know by now I get paranoid when being buddied unless the person sharing my read contributes significantly towards it. I think scum TB would decide buddying me was counterproductive. That was my point

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But if you think I'm actually easily buddied I want to know

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I understand my little page 2 aha move might spook people into thinking I'm asking questions to trap them, but the bast majority of the time Im asking saw sincerely

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I really do ask seemingly inane and minute questions for reasons other than Lamist.

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I think matrix 5 was somewhat unique in how hard of a townblock emerged. Even then I got super paranoid about you at the end.

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I'm aware of the generalities regarding buddying. I'm saying I'd townread exactly TB for doing this to exactly me.

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Scum FS is a myth and fake news.

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i don't think that is a good push but i'll let fs explain why
padayada

Actually this is scum.
VOTE: Tenshii

I could be tunneling like a motherfuck on a page 2 lolread but does this look like MM trying to enemy of my enemy me to shake me off of them to anyone else?

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Here is where I'm at right now.

@MarioManiac4 - Can you link me to a completed scum game?

I really want to do a better job of sorting this out than by sheeping an early read from FireScreamer. I'd like to dive more into his meta.

Ambiguous on whose completed scum game you are asking for here

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Here is where I'm at right now.

@MarioManiac4 - Can you link me to a completed scum game?

I really want to do a better job of sorting this out than by sheeping an early read from FireScreamer. I'd like to dive more into his meta.

Ambiguous on whose completed scum game you are asking for here

??

Do you want a completed scum game from me or MM.

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Both are fine reads which I agree with. More so the Bell than the Banana.

I want to engage Tenshi. Please come to the thread Tenshi.

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God you are making it so hard for me to not just want to tunnel you MM.

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Enough people are telling me i'm crazy to where I am trying to respect that.

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I want to wait for that before advancing anything I want to do as well.

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Thinkbig is so bad at votecounts he counts himself twice. GG

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Of course not. I'll explain what made me said that after we hear more from Tenshi. Would also like to hear more from Maker but I don't NEED that before I can move forward.

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What is the scum incentive on making a hamfisted page 2 read Tenshi.

TB. Before Tenshi caught up, how do you feel about MM's read of them?

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Lol so can I say the burden to convince is on you because you townread FireScreamer?

>MM states they are townreading Radja's effort
>I make a tryhardy attempt to examine the TB read
>I ask to be townread for it
>Initially I get a denial that tryharding is a townread because I "refuted" it

>I tell MM that no I didn't, I refuted the other thing, you by your own logic should still townread tryharding

>MM laughs it off and gives me a townread

MM got multiple chances for the correct response of "of course I don't townread you for that, you just read what I was townreading and became it".

You could say MM's responses are just joking RVS stuff. but the reason they gave for giving the intial two reads in the first place was to get out of RVS.

But you did refute the townread when you meta dove TB?

FS has not responded to this. His logic is bad and still is bad. His whole case revolves around you not townreading when you should be yet it isn't the case at all.

I didn't refute the townread on Banana when I meta dove TB.

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I didn't refute the townread on Banana when I meta dove TB.

No. The fact that you refuted the townread on TB proves it also can be applied to others.

The townread on TB and the townread on Banana were for specifically different reasons. Please reread the exchange.

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The TB read was about naked voting. The Banana read was about -effort-. They were completely independent and disconnected.

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You refuted the Banana read by tryharding yourself.

Was that how MM reacted to it?

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Yes I am.

So do ya townread me for tryharding TB's meta?

You have given me an example that I am wrong with that tho.
I feel so enlightened

This post is making the same mistake you did. Conflating the TB read with the Banana read. It is not about me proving the banana read wrong by tryharding. Because if it was then explain...

I didn't though. I gave you an example of why TB's not trying isn't indicative for exactly TB. I questioned whether Radja was tryharding at all. At no point did I provide an example where townreading tryharding was wrong.

oh shit i got outsmarted
alright firescreamer you can have a townread but I'll get you next time

In which MM accepts the correction and decides to give me a townread.

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Yes I am.

So do ya townread me for tryharding TB's meta?

You have given me an example that I am wrong with that tho.
I feel so enlightened

This post is making the same mistake you did. Conflating the TB read with the Banana read. It is not about me proving the banana read wrong by tryharding. Because if it was then explain...

I didn't though. I gave you an example of why TB's not trying isn't indicative for exactly TB. I questioned whether Radja was tryharding at all. At no point did I provide an example where townreading tryharding was wrong.

oh shit i got outsmarted
alright firescreamer you can have a townread but I'll get you next time

In which MM accepts the correction and decides to give me a townread.

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Would you have townread him if he didn't refute it?

Nah not really. It was about pressuring the banana read because it didn't make sense to me, I didn't think they were trying particularly hard and I don't assosiate radja with tryhard play.

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I didn't actually townread you at that point FS
I had no read on you

So you decided to lie about how you were reading me?

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@Tenshi and TB

Before 237 at least MM was voting Tenshi and was finding his general play rather scummy.

Do you think that Tenshi play before that point was different than early day play in Matrix 5?

Do you think MM's read on the play was any different than at the same point in Matrix 5?

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FireScreamer it's page 11 and you should be voting things that are not RVS jokes.

You said at the top of that page you wanted to come out of RVS.

The reasons for the push were lolwhatever. I've HATED how you've reacted to it since. I hate your attempt to move me on to Tenshi.

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MM was presented with similar tenshi play at the start of both day 1s. They seemed to lightly scumread it in Matrix5 but seemed to understand that it was how Tenshi is.

I'm not one game metaing anyone. But MM should understand that early tenshi activity and effort is at the very least NAI.

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Also MM witnessed a Firescreamer/Tenshi slapfight in that game. It's clear the way we communicate seems to rub each other the wrong way. I think they were banking on me lapping up a Tenshi scumread like warm milk.

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@Tenshi

So if you think my initial push was based in bad logic. Why arn't you scumreading TB for sheeping it, MM for not fighting it or Maker for understanding it, helping me convey it and supporting it?

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last game he was randomly voting all over the place and wasn't giving any opinions
this game he is giving scummy and bad opinions

Scummy and bad opinions plural?

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VOTE: Echovision

- failing to post a picture
- calling me SFW
- calling me a shit money
- saying I'm lying: I never claimed any alignment, so I'm not lying.

Pretty good case.

This was the post you were being effort read.

Do you honestly think it wasn't worth prodding that?

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If Tenshi had a problem with my case he should have a problem with TB and or Maker as well. Agreeing with a shitty push is much worse than making one.

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VOTE: Tenshi

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If Tenshi had a problem with my case he should have a problem with TB and or Maker as well. Agreeing with a shitty push is much worse than making one.

They didn't?

They did?

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VOTE: Bell

L minus 1. Declare intent. Let the boy claim ect

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My TR on sparkles comes down to understanding and agreeing with his thought process on a lot of things.

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Oh whoops wrong thread ignore that

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You are a vile temptress

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: MM

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But you shouldnt claim specifically. Just say you CC

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To be honest MM4 is a pretty terrible wagon.

That the sig quote

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God you are making it so hard for me to not just want to tunnel you MM.

I hope you don't mind if I sig this postgame.

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Independent of page 4 you pushed Tenshi for Tenshi things after I just watched a game where you seemed to ubderstand Tenshi things as Tenshi things

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That isn't what I said

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Tenshi did silly illogical Tenshi things last game. The fact that you can't factor that into your read makes it feel forced to me

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VOTE: Bell

Can we still shitpost MM or did I break our cohesion?

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What does red Beli mean. Maker?

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As in who do we feel is the partner?

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LOL

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How could you not expect a quickhammer.

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Don't worry I don't. If Tenshi is non tracker town and did this I'm happy enough just washing my hands of this game. I'm powerlynching day 2

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Wah. Guess MM thought I was coming for them today and decided to come out guns blazing. I wanted maker today.

I pushed at MM early and then pushed Tenshi for tunneling me when others agreed with my logic.

I consolidated onto Beli afterwards. I don't see how any of this is scum behaviour greater than Makers attempt to counterwagon as well as set up on MM on a red Tenshi flip

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Reasonable chance he hammers me just for this. In which case please power lynch him tomorrow.
VOTE: Maker

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Newbie 1783 is my only scum game on site TB

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I just woke up and I am phoneposting. Maker when I made my early push on you agreed with it in thread and pushed me in that direction over Beli but didn't hop on himself. He then tried to build counterwagons to Beli all day before setting up on you when it was clear Beli was flipping

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Look at the maker ISO and tell me what you think

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Wah. Guess MM thought I was coming for them today and decided to come out guns blazing. I wanted maker today.

considering that you are voting maker this feels really fake

Eh. it's the best explanation of why you changed your mind on me but I think maker is worse and you could have just finally given me the reaction I was after all along

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I reconsidered other explanations for why you did it and decided I couldn't come off of maker just on that.

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believe it or not the reason i came at you at daystart is because

i think you're scum

Well that's a change for yesterday where I kept pushing you because you refused to scumread my push at all

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Sure you think I'm scum. Well done. I'll just concede that point. I don't care.

I'm not though. So let's lynch maker instead

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believe it or not the reason i came at you at daystart is because

i think you're scum

Well that's a change for yesterday where I kept pushing you because you refused to scumread my push at all

yeah i may have a problem where i view tunnelling as town because i used to tunnel as town
ur scum tho sooooo

pedit: OUCH

I have a problem where I hate not being Omgused when it's appropriate

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VOTE: btd6

I feel like if maker was scum in here Beli wouldn't have claimed tracker but instead would have put more effort into the game as to claim VT and try not to get lynched.
Getting CC'd in Beli/maker would pretty much be autoloss.
I think maker is just lynchbait and FS is scum.

what do you think of this FS?

Beli could have easily seen things differently or just has one rule of thumb thing he does in this situation and he didn't think about the specifics. It's not enough to move my read.

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believe it or not the reason i came at you at daystart is because

i think you're scum

Well that's a change for yesterday where I kept pushing you because you refused to scumread my push at all

yeah i may have a problem where i view tunnelling as town because i used to tunnel as town
ur scum tho sooooo

pedit: OUCH

I have a problem where I hate not being Omgused when it's appropriate

Keep in mind that your push was constantly backed up, you didn't evaluate things, you were trying to get me lynched.
That doesn't come from "lol rctn test MM4 DIDNT VOTE ME OMG SCUM"

The initial reaction test, you not scum reading me at all for it and then the terrible Tenshi push were enough to be going on with. Then I came off of you to try and engage Tenshi. Then I consolidated onto Beli

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how were you consolidating you literally ignored him the whole game

I noted how his chainsawing for you looked terrible. I admit I didn't interact with him much beyond that. I was caught in a tunnel that he got bitten for interacting with early and then stayed away from.

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You know. With another tracker entirely hidden it's not terrible play for me to just self hammer and cut the day off now. Yall powerlynch maker tomorrow while the tracker picks up clears elsewhere. Id rather maker today but the fight might not be worth it

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how were you consolidating you literally ignored him the whole game

I noted how his chainsawing for you looked terrible. I admit I didn't interact with him much beyond that. I was caught in a tunnel that he got bitten for interacting with early and then stayed away from.

so him saying your posts had little logic was L-1able?

No. His interactions with Banana was what did it.

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Should I self hammer MM?

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Defeats the purpose

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Well good for you but I'm not and so you won't. The purpose is shutting down the day phase

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Considering this is likely how things are going anyway and I think more discussion followed by a FireScreamer lynch anyway hurts town I am going to self hammer as soon as I get confirmation that I'm not breaking rules

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Gottem

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Also if it isn't me and someone else is wagoned and claims VT I want the lynchpool to be exclusively me or them today. We are not pushing 3 wagons to claim today

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So let's apply Occam's Razor directly to Maker's neck.

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Particularly since he was on the wagon and jumped off and implied he would happily hammer after cc.

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I fail to see the case on FS.
I'd rather not make the PR pool any smaller though.

I'm happy with one more push to claim considering I know I'm town but I understand where you are coming from

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That's L-1

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VOTE: BTD6

This is the only compromise I'm making

A compromise compared to what?

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We ain't pushing both to a claim

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Fwiw I decided to tunnel someone our of the gate pregame for reactions which I think was pretty useful. But then I started drinking my own koolaid

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Fwiw I decided to tunnel someone our of the gate pregame for reactions which I think was pretty useful. But then I started drinking my own koolaid

it kinda worked although it was semi-emotionally draining
i think it's more useful to push weakly for weak things and evaluate logically but im a shit player so what do i know

I think it works well if you just look for reactions of everyone else and ignore the player you actually do it to.

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I'm undefeated in micro sized games. Fear me.