Micro 710: Backup6 (Game Over)

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VOTE: EchoVision

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I like FireScreamer for town so far.

I really hate he RVS awkwardness

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I'm down! I claim scum. Oops!

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I'm down! I claim scum. Oops!

Are you evading the question asked of you at the bottom of page 2?

Nope. Missed the question.

I like FireScreamer for town so far.

I really hate he RVS awkwardness

Why?

At that point it was mainly a gut read. His tone here sounds similar to his tone in the game that I hosted. As of now, he is still a TR for me. I like how he has been pushing to progress the game.

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@Belisarius, why are you voting EchoVision for a post-RVS fluff post but completely ignored my post-RVS fluff post?

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UNVOTE: EchoVision
VOTE: Belisarius

I'm not liking how quickly he put EV at L-1.

P-edit: I understand you have one vote, but you completely ignored my post-RVS fluff. Why?

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VOTE: Belisarius

Also, I'd love for you to explain why MM's naked vote on you makes enough sense to warrant an unvote.

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So TB. You hate RVS. Now something non RVS has happened. You townread me for making the read, what do you think about the read itself? What do you think about MM's reaction to it?

I agree with the read and think that MM's reaction was weird considering that we are just breaking out of RVS.

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Also @Belarius, did you realize that your vote on EchoVision put him at L-1?

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Three reasons:
*His came first (Your last fluff was during RVS, and you had a non-fluff post between it and your next fluff)
*You have posted non-fluff
*You are currently being engaged by other players, who may just sort you for me the way Fire did with Mario.

I can accept the first and the last point. The second point is what I have trouble with. At the time you voted EV, I only really had one non-RVS/non-fluff post. Certainly not enough to be sorted out.

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Belisarius/MarioManiac4 team (?)

P-edit: I know I'm not sorted. That's pretty much what I said.

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*You are currently being engaged by other players, who may just sort you for me

the way Fire did with Mario

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Also I have a major problem with the bolded. Do you agree with Fire's assessment of Mario?

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Belisarius/MarioManiac4 team (?)

P-edit: I know I'm not sorted. That's pretty much what I said.

That's where I am at just now.

Lol. It would be funny if we solved the game page two and three.

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Also I have a major problem with the bolded. Do you agree with Fire's assessment of Mario?

Of course not! Why would I move my vote if I did?

Fire's announcement his vote was not RVS was the catalyst for Mario's vote on me
therefore I would not have a read on Mario if not for Fire

therefore Fire sorted Mario for me

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But Fire has a scum read on Mario. I'm assuming you have a TR on Mario as you disagree with his assessment. Why/How did Fire sort Mario for you and how do you come to two different conclusions?

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Let's consolidate our votes TB. Your place or mine?

Doesn't make a difference really. Your call. Belarius is at L-2 if my vote count is correct and I'm still not quite comfortable with having anyone at L-1.

I really do want to sort Belarius though.

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I think the read on Bell is a lot more contingent on a red MM than vice versa. So MM should go first.

I agree with this.

UNVOTE: Belarius
VOTE: MarioManiac4

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VOTE: maker

this is probably the best vote and not for the same reasons as last game

At first I read this as "for the same reasons as the last game" and was about to pounce on you for that. Lol.

On a serious note, what are your reasons for voting maker? Why is maker the best vote?

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hi my name's ryan and i don't give jack shit regarding opinions in the beginning of d1 because I don't find shit worth pushing off of this early. However, I usually do note some scummy shit that I see and tunnel that person a little bit until I see more scummy shit then I push them like a mother fucker. So for now you're just going to notice me changing my vote over and over again because this works in Newbie Queue so why wouldn't it work here?

VOTE: NOBODY

sup fucker <3

Eeeeewwwwwww

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VOTE: belisarius

long time no play

I predicted you'd do that before the game even started. I'm one step ahead of you!

VOTE: MarioManiac4

Might as well help MM's scumbuddy bus.

What FF said. Plus this really looks awkward and possibly an early distancing vote.

If one flips scum, then I definitely want the other to flip.

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^I have not seen scum!FireScreamer

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@MOD - Standard weekend V/La ahead.

Good shabbos everyone

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TB is on V/LA and is also the third biggest poster so he's basically confirmed town

Post count is not indicative of my alignment or anyone elses. I really hate that you are viewing me as "confirmed town" because I'm V/LA and the third biggest poster. Yuck.

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Unofficial Vote Count

MarioManiac4 (2)- FireScreamer, ThinkBig
Belisarius (2)- Wisdom, BananaNSFW
FireScreamer (1)- Tenshii
Wisdom (1) - EchoVision
Teneshii (1) - MarioManiac4
BananaNSFW (1) - Belisarius

Not voting (1) - BTD6_maker

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

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UNVOTE: MarioManiac4
VOTE: Belisarius

I like this better.

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Belisarius is now L-2 for the record.

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My case against Belisarius

MM got multiple chances for the correct response of "of course I don't townread you for that, you just read what I was townreading and became it".

What the crispy crunchy Christ is this dreck? You're scumreading Mario for not reading your mind.

This is a blatant misrepresentation of FireScreamer's post. I'll quote FireScreamer's post in full:

>MM states they are townreading Radja's effort
>I make a tryhardy attempt to examine the TB read
>I ask to be townread for it
>Initially I get a denial that tryharding is a townread because I "refuted" it
>I tell MM that no I didn't, I refuted the other thing, you by your own logic should still townread tryharding
>MM laughs it off and gives me a townread

MM got multiple chances for the correct response of "of course I don't townread you for that, you just read what I was townreading and became it".

You could say MM's responses are just joking RVS stuff. but the reason they gave for giving the intial two reads in the first place was to get out of RVS.

I'm not sure where Belarius gets his reasoning from, but here is the more important part,

Belarius never follows up with this post nor does he ever vote FireScreamer.

This is his next post in the game:

UNVOTE:

MM's vote on me makes sense.

VOTE: EchoVision

Fluffing post-RVS does not.

Of course, if MM says that effort was a Towntell, then if someone subsequently tries to put in effort and ask to be Townread it ceases to be a Towntell as scum can easily fake anything once they know what they will be Townread for. I think that is what FireScreamer meant.

*brain explodes*

On a second read, this feels quite opportunistic. Previously he called someone out for a "bad post" and here he votes someone for making a post-RVS fluff post instead.

So far belarius has done little scum hunting and done little to try and solve the game. He appears to be trying to distract us from the FireScreamer/Mario read and derail that conversation.

I have the feeling we are not going to get along in this game. Again. Do you remember how that ended last time?

A bit late, I know, but I don't like this.

I

really

don't like this.

According to your own link, how that ended last time was lynching town. Remembering that should make you cautious, not confident.

I don't see any town motivation in this post, but there's one thing it does accomplish, if it works: Introducing fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

FUD is one of my favourite tactics as scum. FUD won Open 524 for me. (That's my favourite scumgame ever)

This needs lots and lots and lots of rope.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BananaNSFW

This is a blatant and scummy OMGUS.

I like this wagon. Belarius has done little to try and solve the game, has done no scum hunting and his voting pattern does not make sense from a town POV.

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Here is where I'm at right now.

Town: {FireScreamer, BananaNSFW}
Null: {Wisdom, MarioManiac4, BTD6_maker, Tenshii}
Null scum: {EchoVision}
Scum: {Belisarius}

I still like FireScreamer for town and he is still a strong town read. I like how he immediately takes initiative to start sorting players and begins to scum hunt early. One thing I do not like, however, is how he tunneled MarioManiac4 for several pages. I want to sort MarioManiac4 a bit better and have moved him to null based on his interactions with others. I really want Belarius to flip as he is by far my strongest scum read and a red flip on Belarius will give us a lot of information to go on.

BananaNSFW is also a town read. His early paranoia of me buddying FireScreamer feels genuine and from a town POV. However, I want to see more from him and want to interact with him more.

I have a lot of null reads this game and really want to sort out the null pile. I have not played with wisdom before and am unfamiliar with his play style.

@Wisdom: If you can link me to some of your recent town/scum games, that will be great.

@MarioManiac4 - Can you link me to a completed scum game?

I really want to do a better job of sorting this out than by sheeping an early read from FireScreamer. I'd like to dive more into his meta.

BTD6 and teneshii haven't really posted enough for me to sort them.

EchoVision - I originally called out Belarius for making an opportunistic vote on him for making a post RVS fluff. However, at this point he has 8 posts and all of it is fluff and there is no content. You have had enough time to get in the game and get in here. For now, he is a scum lean. I've played with EchoVision before and, IIRC, he was much better than this. (I'll have to find the link to the game).

I already explained my belarius read in the post above.

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Here is where I'm at right now.

@MarioManiac4 - Can you link me to a completed scum game?

I really want to do a better job of sorting this out than by sheeping an early read from FireScreamer. I'd like to dive more into his meta.

Ambiguous on whose completed scum game you are asking for here

??

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Here is where I'm at right now.

@MarioManiac4 - Can you link me to a completed scum game?

I really want to do a better job of sorting this out than by sheeping an early read from FireScreamer. I'd like to dive more into his meta.

Ambiguous on whose completed scum game you are asking for here

??

Do you want a completed scum game from me or MM.

MM. Sorry I thought it was clear with the bold

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@Fire - While you are here, what do you think of my read on Bananna and my case on Belarius?

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Alright I phrased that unclearly.
What Beli did in his first post is state that he disliked Fire's logic and thought it was "dreck." I'm not sure going on to ignore it is indicative of alignment.
Beli hasn't done too much but I feel like he's been doing that in a much less scummy way than what Tenshii is doing.

Can you explain the teneshii read a bit more? The only things I see in her ISO is a few RVS fluff posts. The only thing that I see worth noting is that teneshii promised a catch up yesterday afternoon that still hasn't come.

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Once teneshii makes his catch up Post I will probably be able to sort him.

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Unofficial Vote Count

MarioManiac4 (2)- FireScreamer, ThinkBig
Belisarius (3)- Wisdom, BananaNSFW, ThinkBig

L-2

FireScreamer (1)- Tenshii
Wisdom (1) - EchoVision
Teneshii (1) - MarioManiac4
BananaNSFW (1) - Belisarius

Not voting (1) - BTD6_maker

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

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Unofficial Vote Count

MarioManiac4 (1)- FireScreamer
Belisarius (3)- Wisdom, BananaNSFW, ThinkBig

L-2

FireScreamer (1)- Tenshii
Wisdom (1) - EchoVision
Teneshii (1) - MarioManiac4
BananaNSFW (1) - Belisarius

Not voting (1) - BTD6_maker

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

EBWOP

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Thinkbig is so bad at votecounts he counts himself twice. GG

Lol. That's why I use Theps super awesome automatic vote count in games.

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Alright I phrased that unclearly.
What Beli did in his first post is state that he disliked Fire's logic and thought it was "dreck." I'm not sure going on to ignore it is indicative of alignment.
Beli hasn't done too much but I feel like he's been doing that in a much less scummy way than what Tenshii is doing.

Can you explain the teneshii read a bit more? The only things I see in her ISO is a few RVS fluff posts. The only thing that I see worth noting is that teneshii promised a catch up yesterday afternoon that still hasn't come.

he doesn't appear inquisitive at all, isn't thinking about anything
only voted fs for using bad logic- which is in itself bad logic, but more scummy

To be fair, most of his posts and votes fee RVSy. I really need to hear from teneshii

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I am not liking teneshii

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Looks like there is some stuff to catch up on. I'll be back later this evening. Got a lot of work to do.

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VOTE: Belisarius

I already know from last time nobody wants to wagon maker- let's see where this goes!

That's L1 folks! We are policylynching

EchoVision

anyone who hammers without giving intent tomorrow!

I don't like the bold at all. The bold feels rather forced and does not feel natural.

UNVOTE:

Until I can fully catch up.

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@Mario, why would you put someone at L-1 and then proceed to say that you'd policy lynch anyone who hammers w/o intent? Putting someone at L-1 implies that you want to lynch that person and are ready for a someone to hammer.

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I'm liking EchoVision for town based on what I've seen so far and like and agree with his 377.

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Intent to hammer

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ill wait for the cc

^^

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VOTE: MarioManiac4

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Belisarius (5)- Wisdom, BananaNSFW, Tenshii, MarioManiac4, FireScreamer (LYNCH)

Probably not an all town wagon.

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Hold on a sec...

UNVOTE: MarioManiac4

Just re-reading the interactions between Fire, Mario, and Belarius. Fire was calling Belarius scum the entire time, yet was pushing Mario and did not vote for Belarius until Teneshii counter claimed.

Also just a thought: In this setup, mafia may try to hard bus day 1 to draw out some claims.

Need to re-read.

@Firescreamer - can you give me a recent scum game of yours?

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VOTE: btd6

Why btd6?

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FWIW, I have a town read on maker and EchoVision.

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I hardclaim masons with FireScreamer.

VOTE: EchoVision

That was LAST game.
VOTE: MM

VOTE: Tenshi

VOTE: Bell

L minus 1. Declare intent. Let the boy claim ect

These are the three votes that Firescreamer made. Fire held on to an RVS vote for more than 353 posts. Why does FireScreamer vote Teneshii after pushing a Belarius/MM scum team the whole time?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: MM

Failed to see this one

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VOTE: FireScreamer

I'll see where this goes. I really need to ISO MM and Belarius and read their interactions.

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FireScreamer is at L-1

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VOTE: FireScreamer

...Just to be sure

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VOTE: EchoVision
For being scum.

Why Echo?

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@Nario - What is your read on Fire? Why the sudden shift from him?

UNVOTE:

I need to re read this game. I am getting paranoid.

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Good game all. Sorry I was away today for shabbat.

Easy win all.

@Fire - sorry I got paranoid of you in the end.