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Post Post #75  (isolation #0)  » Sun May 22, 2016 5:46 am

wonder how they'll buff her to adjust her weaknesses
maybe her ult will work more like azir's? (dealing damage, not affecting teammates, preventing dashes through it)
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Post Post #77  (isolation #1)  » Sun May 22, 2016 5:49 am

right now a q on worked ground restores 50% mana
maybe it should restore more, or also decrease cooldown
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Post Post #99  (isolation #2)  » Sun May 22, 2016 10:41 pm

whatever it takes for the S
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Post Post #101  (isolation #3)  » Sun May 22, 2016 11:59 pm

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Post Post #128  (isolation #4)  » Tue May 24, 2016 9:14 pm

In post 126, Maestro wrote:brb gonna go make Plat

i believe in you maestro :]
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Post Post #148  (isolation #5)  » Wed May 25, 2016 12:16 pm

amumu isn't really banned very much
his ban rate in bronze is 3.4% and in zilver is 3.6% (compared to 46% and 57% for ekko)

he is picked a lot, though, compared to other junglers
in silver only lee sin is picked more often than amumu (though amumu is still only picked 5% of the time)
in bronze yi and volibear are the more picked

counterplay.xyz has this cool graph even:

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amumu and volibear are the two dots in the top right
lee sin is at the bottom left; on the bronze graph yi has the role of favorite-jger-with-middling-winrate

amumu (and volibear) are gods, and even bronzies seem to know it
but for some reason ekko, kindred, fizz and yi all earn more bans than volibear, and many more champs eat more bans than amumu

a lot of those champs are played in other roles too so that might be the main reason
7/10 of the champs more banned than amumu are also played in top or mid quite a bit
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Post Post #232  (isolation #6)  » Mon May 30, 2016 9:12 pm

his q is a pretty efficient and safe engage
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Post Post #241  (isolation #7)  » Tue May 31, 2016 4:21 am

im totes a lissandra main guys
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Post Post #243  (isolation #8)  » Tue May 31, 2016 5:15 am

when she moves it feels like i'm gliding down a red carpet
and when she attacks it's as if i'm throwing some priceless glass heirloom at a wall
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Post Post #246  (isolation #9)  » Tue May 31, 2016 11:07 am

learning to cs with her was a pain
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Post Post #258  (isolation #10)  » Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:59 pm

mmm
im sure enough people will find a way
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Post Post #264  (isolation #11)  » Wed Jun 01, 2016 5:48 pm

so many nerfs...
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Post Post #268  (isolation #12)  » Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:43 pm

this one taliyah went 5/2/11
got an S
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Post Post #273  (isolation #13)  » Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:58 am

ive won 17 of my last 20 ranked games
thanks to lissandraa
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Post Post #285  (isolation #14)  » Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:27 pm

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Post Post #287  (isolation #15)  » Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:20 pm

In post 284, animorpherv1 wrote:To those of us that don't have all the champions (or want mastery levels 6 and 7), Mystery Champion Shards are out in the store, under Accessories. They cost 195 RP or 1700IP each, and can be forged in Hextech Crafting. Once the shard is forged, you also get an amount of blue essence depending on the champion's IP cost (I got 20 for Shen and 10 for Caitlyn, might be 0 for a 6300IP champ shard idk).

However, if you have all the 4800IP and under champs, you can get a 100% 6300IP champ for 5100IP this way, which saves you a lot of time.

sry but im pretty sure that the mystery shard can be any champ, owned already or not
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Post Post #299  (isolation #16)  » Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:35 pm

In post 290, Panzerjager wrote:
In post 287, Psyche wrote:
In post 284, animorpherv1 wrote:To those of us that don't have all the champions (or want mastery levels 6 and 7), Mystery Champion Shards are out in the store, under Accessories. They cost 195 RP or 1700IP each, and can be forged in Hextech Crafting. Once the shard is forged, you also get an amount of blue essence depending on the champion's IP cost (I got 20 for Shen and 10 for Caitlyn, might be 0 for a 6300IP champ shard idk).

However, if you have all the 4800IP and under champs, you can get a 100% 6300IP champ for 5100IP this way, which saves you a lot of time.

sry but im pretty sure that the mystery shard can be any champ, owned already or not


But when you reroll shards, you only get one you don't have. So you buy 3 shards, reroll, get a 1200 ip discount.

Nunu bot, gent cho, and Corp mundo should be 750 skins.

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Post Post #304  (isolation #17)  » Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:08 pm

taliyah has a pretty balanced winrate now
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Post Post #305  (isolation #18)  » Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:12 am

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/page/f ... re-friends

this is cool
heimerdinger and teemo are really strongly linked
and they happened to be the first two champs i mained
even my dude karthus is tightly linked with heimy
it's weird to think that decisions i made pretty organically were actually part of a broader phenomenon

the champ most linked with lissandra is orianna so i'll probably try her next
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Post Post #346  (isolation #19)  » Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:12 pm

i experience teamcomps making it harder or easier to win a game (no tanks, almost totally lategame-scalers, etc) but i know that these can be managed by players who handle their champions well
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Post Post #390  (isolation #20)  » Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:32 pm

cho's average kdr in diamond+ is about 8/5
maybe you didn't deviate enough from the norm
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Post Post #392  (isolation #21)  » Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:58 pm

in diamond+ it's 185 heehehehe
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Post Post #404  (isolation #22)  » Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:14 am

sounds like a pretty effective support to me
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Post Post #427  (isolation #23)  » Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:48 am

hopefully not after that nerf
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Post Post #430  (isolation #24)  » Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:17 pm

so guys
i have these two mages i like a lot
lissandra and ziggs
but it's hard to tell just when i should play one or the other
they're both control mages with really great waveclear and reasonable mobility
they have lots of key differences
lissandra handles mobile champions like yasuo much more nicely than ziggs does
ziggs has a lot more range and (also thanks to his kit) can siege more effectively
lissandra has loads of crowd control and strong engage
ziggs deals way more damage way more safely and across a larger area
lissandra also seems to be much more effective against single targets than ziggs while ziggs is more effective against groups of enemies than lissandra
now it seems sort of obvious that there's no hardset answer to this question; i'll have to learn a lot more about how champions interact in league before i can answer that question
for now i'm a lot better with lissandra and should probably just always pick her
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Post Post #441  (isolation #25)  » Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:03 pm

why don't you just go ahead and start maining fizz dwlee
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Post Post #463  (isolation #26)  » Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:38 am

say im ziggs and i can kill someone with my ult or save it for a group of enemies later what do what do i never know i mean i guess it's straightforward to think through agh
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Post Post #471  (isolation #27)  » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:06 am

i can't find the time to grind through league anymore
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Post Post #473  (isolation #28)  » Sun Jun 19, 2016 6:04 pm

think i might try to pick up viktor?
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Post Post #543  (isolation #29)  » Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:08 am

that's fair
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Post Post #554  (isolation #30)  » Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:56 pm

aw
rito made it harder to snowball
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Post Post #565  (isolation #31)  » Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:26 am

bumping liss's e instead of her q at level 7 makes it possible to fully clear a set of caster minions with no ap glyphs
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Post Post #567  (isolation #32)  » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:17 am

you'd regret azir
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Post Post #568  (isolation #33)  » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:35 am

one of these days im gonna use the lol api to build a better lol statistics site
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Post Post #574  (isolation #34)  » Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:11 am

liss takes a bit of getting used to
zac is great from the first game
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Post Post #614  (isolation #35)  » Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:49 pm

if only
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Post Post #620  (isolation #36)  » Tue Jul 05, 2016 3:24 am

ALMOST BACK IN SILVER
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Post Post #623  (isolation #37)  » Wed Jul 06, 2016 6:10 pm

I made it to Silver, guys.
Time for me to quit LoL??
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Post Post #629  (isolation #38)  » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:55 am

ah singapore
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Post Post #631  (isolation #39)  » Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:32 am

ive decided im gonna make liss jg work and always play her when i don't get mid
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Post Post #633  (isolation #40)  » Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:39 am

ill build a record of victory and then link them to it
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Post Post #697  (isolation #41)  » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:13 am

you could google it or read the comment section
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Post Post #701  (isolation #42)  » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:28 am

i got an S in my first zac game
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Post Post #702  (isolation #43)  » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:47 am



its pretty
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Post Post #731  (isolation #44)  » Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:52 am

it just sounds like a lot of empty complaining
i don't think anyone can intelligibly blame luck for long-run patterns
supports do still have a huge impact on whether a team wins or loses
i don't know how i'm just silver but these are facts
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Post Post #782  (isolation #45)  » Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:02 am

i'd main it but i just don't know if a support can "save" games as easily as a midlaner or jungler can
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Post Post #783  (isolation #46)  » Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:02 am

wish i could go mid/support in draft pick without always getting support
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Post Post #808  (isolation #47)  » Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:19 am

playing zac sort of doesn't feel fair
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Post Post #827  (isolation #48)  » Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:53 pm

ziggs/zac dream team
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Post Post #828  (isolation #49)  » Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:11 pm

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Post Post #833  (isolation #50)  » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:05 pm

how i got my start
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Post Post #837  (isolation #51)  » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:58 pm

i guess i do think you'd do better to main a champ you'll actually play when you're ranked
but teemo is fun and sort of simple
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Post Post #863  (isolation #52)  » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:43 pm

maybe he splits hard?
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Post Post #880  (isolation #53)  » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:38 pm

um ok i'm all for more yordles i guess
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Post Post #881  (isolation #54)  » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:39 pm

bet he's the first noxus yordle?
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Post Post #897  (isolation #55)  » Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:56 pm

In post 881, Psyche wrote:bet he's the first noxus yordle?

nailed it
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Post Post #931  (isolation #56)  » Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:55 pm

lol
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Post Post #934  (isolation #57)  » Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:21 pm

they feel less impactful than their midlane analogues maybe but i feel like morg's q is one of the more obviously impactful skills in the game
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Post Post #952  (isolation #58)  » Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:57 am

yes
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Post Post #955  (isolation #59)  » Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:58 pm

its a game gotta chill
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Post Post #963  (isolation #60)  » Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:37 am

wow congrats
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Post Post #967  (isolation #61)  » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:42 am

thatd oesn't sound right
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Post Post #975  (isolation #62)  » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:16 am

you'll never get anywhere blaming anyone besides yourself
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Post Post #980  (isolation #63)  » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:32 pm

i wonder if nos is as toxic during his games
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Post Post #988  (isolation #64)  » Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:25 am

up to silver 4
and it wasn't hard!
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Post Post #991  (isolation #65)  » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:47 am

so i picked zac mid into talon because there was no tank on our team but i wonder if it's something i can do regularly versus assassins
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Post Post #994  (isolation #66)  » Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:05 am

what's the usual strategy for stopping the roaming and the killing in the other lanes?
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Post Post #998  (isolation #67)  » Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:36 am

his skills are pretty aoe and so well-suited for clearing when an enemy is not around
but i spose they wouldn't clear THAT fast if i'm building tanky
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Post Post #999  (isolation #68)  » Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:37 am

i tried viktor but for some reason i just don't like him
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Post Post #1005  (isolation #69)  » Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:08 pm

In post 1003, Gendaberry wrote:
In post 998, Psyche wrote:his skills are pretty aoe and so well-suited for clearing when an enemy is not around


This makes him bad at dealing with roaming.

he's fine when an enemy's around too
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Post Post #1006  (isolation #70)  » Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:08 pm

In post 1000, RayFrost wrote:
In post 999, Psyche wrote:i tried viktor but for some reason i just don't like him


I really don't like viktor much either.

Have you considered investing in Karthus? Syndra is also pretty good.

got to s4 with karthus
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Post Post #1027  (isolation #71)  » Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:07 pm

first win of the day
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Post Post #1047  (isolation #72)  » Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:38 am

MORE ARCADE SKINS
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Post Post #1070  (isolation #73)  » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:47 am

sry but that's not true
depending on your elo, kled, ashe, sona, amumu, annie, gp are probably all better bans than irelia

and kled is the most or second most banned champ so you won't see him enough to justify irelia with that logic
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Post Post #1076  (isolation #74)  » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:33 pm

you can respond to whatever you want but it was clear by the time of your post that no one, at least not zor, thought he was scripted
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Post Post #1081  (isolation #75)  » Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:45 pm

leona jg
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Post Post #1084  (isolation #76)  » Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:50 pm

am i supposed to read that
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Post Post #1091  (isolation #77)  » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:22 am

it looks nixce!
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Post Post #1092  (isolation #78)  » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:42 am

so ryze has a pretty low winrate
does that mean he's bad? or just hard?
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Post Post #1094  (isolation #79)  » Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:15 am

not quite convinced
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Post Post #1096  (isolation #80)  » Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:44 am

but even those most experienced with him seem to do far below average...
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Post Post #1099  (isolation #81)  » Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:00 am

means absolutely nothing!
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Post Post #1103  (isolation #82)  » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:21 pm

higher tier players have better internet what a surprise
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Post Post #1115  (isolation #83)  » Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:14 am

our moredekaiser adc went 27/0/5 in 23 minutes and didn't get an S+
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Post Post #1117  (isolation #84)  » Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:42 am

mord is sort of a confusing champion
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Post Post #1126  (isolation #85)  » Sat Aug 13, 2016 9:40 am

i like ryze's personality a lot more after the rework
if he were a bit stronger i'd seriously consider maining him
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Post Post #1160  (isolation #86)  » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:09 am

aurelion sol is so weird to play i think i might main him once i return to the land of no lag
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Post Post #1164  (isolation #87)  » Fri Aug 19, 2016 9:18 am

ekko feels pretty neat though
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Post Post #1166  (isolation #88)  » Fri Aug 19, 2016 9:24 am

absolutely not
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Post Post #1167  (isolation #89)  » Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:41 am

op.gg's new(ish?) champion analytics section is pretty legit
their matchups section in particular helps break down how being matched with a certain champion in lane impacts factors like cs, kill rate, and objective control
not perfect but cool it hikn\

also new ryze's winrate at high experience finally broke 50% this patch so maybe i did speak too soon before when i argued he was weak
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Post Post #1194  (isolation #90)  » Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:45 pm

whee
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Post Post #1197  (isolation #91)  » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:14 am



i really enjoyed thsi video
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Post Post #1203  (isolation #92)  » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:58 pm

i could spend 500 essence on level 6 teemo but i don't feel like i've earned it yet
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Post Post #1204  (isolation #93)  » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:59 pm

wait wait wait this is good
what is someone supposed to do with teemo post laning phase?
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Post Post #1206  (isolation #94)  » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:02 pm

disgusting
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Post Post #1208  (isolation #95)  » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:04 pm

EXACTLY THAT AND IT'S THE WORST
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Post Post #1209  (isolation #96)  » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:05 pm

like i feel like i've carried with other champions in ways that i've only ever come tantalizingly close to doing with teemo
it's probably his dearth of aoe damage that i'm used to as a mage
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Post Post #1214  (isolation #97)  » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:45 pm

i laned against a gold 3 riven as karthus and it was entertaining yessirree
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Post Post #1216  (isolation #98)  » Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:50 am

it took time but i feel really comfortable with him against mostly everyone
except leblanc
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Post Post #1221  (isolation #99)  » Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:36 am

ignore list
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Post Post #1265  (isolation #100)  » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:30 am

40 minutes is a lot
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Post Post #1271  (isolation #101)  » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:56 pm

i need a proper counterpick/counterplay against syndra now that her play rate is up
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Post Post #1277  (isolation #102)  » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:44 pm

finally got my first S as zilly mid
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Post Post #1285  (isolation #103)  » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:00 pm

i tried the crazy ziggs build (except banner instead of zzrot) and it was great
by the end of the game the teams were even in kills but our team hadn't lost a single tower
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Post Post #1289  (isolation #104)  » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:42 pm

i teamfought a little more than you probably
which is why i keep the ludens
also it's nice to move fast!

but ill try it out
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Post Post #1298  (isolation #105)  » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:13 am

teemo generally can't handle melee champions he can't kite
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Post Post #1303  (isolation #106)  » Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:01 am

it's a trade-off
ap build deals more damage in theory but mallet ensares enemies long enough to actually get damage off / kill them and/or more successfully kite them
mallet is also tankier, ofc
right now the ap build is winning more but idk how to decide which to pursue in a given game

EDIT: actually which build is winning more depends on which site you check i guess
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Post Post #1304  (isolation #107)  » Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:11 am

http://na.op.gg/champion/teemo/statistics/top

his winningest (not most popular) skill order now prioritizes w over q, which makes sense if you're not building ap, i think
will be nice to try that out
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Post Post #1305  (isolation #108)  » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:30 am

it seems my trouble with syndra earlier had a lot to do with not understanding her kit
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Post Post #1342  (isolation #109)  » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:48 pm

amumu jg
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Post Post #1368  (isolation #110)  » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:04 am

went 7/0/16 as zac top in a ranked s4 game

as https://web.archive.org/web/20160614062 ... on/Zac/Top suggests, his csing is weak but even in bad matchups it's hard to feed with him and he scales handily into a disruptive ap tank and earlygame roams pretty effectively especially against immobile midlanes

i generally prefer midlane so this pick seems to be reasonably conservative given the time i've been putting into learning the role
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Post Post #1370  (isolation #111)  » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:29 am

whenever zac top pops up on champion.gg his cs is among the worst of everyone else who frequents the lane though i may be unfairly comparing him to the ranged champions i normally play

still, besides his q, his skills aren't quite safe csing tools (using e blows your escape) and involve a sacrifice of health, making it easy for enemies with good poke or hard cc to outtrade and zone you especially early game

imagine using your e/w to cs in a lane with darius or wukong, for example
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Post Post #1375  (isolation #112)  » Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:27 am

still, he's a very safe laner who has no trouble helping out his team and i <3 him
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Post Post #1393  (isolation #113)  » Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:48 pm

is it ok if i livepost my final??? s3 promo game
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Post Post #1395  (isolation #114)  » Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:43 pm

i picked ziggs against kogmaw jg and he's the first pick i've found who can satisfactorily handle the hypercarry even by lategame
ziggs' attacks outrange kogmaw's, don't have to land so often (he's pretty squishy), and are hard for such an immobile champ to avoid
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Post Post #1430  (isolation #115)  » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:32 am

i picked a poke midlaner (ziggs) into a tanky hard engage comp (braum, amumu, ekko, katarina, cait) silly me
but frankly i'm unsure what i should have picked instead
should i have taken an midlane adc like corki with repositioning skills so that i'd be more able to kill tanks and selfpeel from engages?
should i have taken lissandra or sol and used my aoe cc/invulnerability to diminish their engage but giving up the range/dps necessary to actually kill anyone?
would karthus's raw damage and soft-cc from his w/rylais been the best choice?
woe is me woe is me
azir probably would have done a decent job with his own dps, repositioning and peel-ult but i don't want to bother learning him especially in the state he's in now
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Post Post #1434  (isolation #116)  » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:17 am

oh right morg
and galio
i also think i did the wrong build
abyssal scepter should have come a lot sooner, as a well as a champ pick that could more effectively abuse it
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Post Post #1450  (isolation #117)  » Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:52 am

i supported a kog as janna today and man i hated it until i loved it
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Post Post #1472  (isolation #118)  » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:09 pm

LISSANDRA WAS NERFED
LISSANDRA
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Post Post #1477  (isolation #119)  » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:20 pm

like, a patch
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Post Post #1515  (isolation #120)  » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:19 pm

im a karthus main i guess
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Post Post #1594  (isolation #121)  » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:18 am

who wouldn't want more sales or free ip
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Post Post #1601  (isolation #122)  » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:48 am

star guardian skinssss
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Post Post #1602  (isolation #123)  » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:48 am

Image

its so pretty
i probably won't buy any though
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Post Post #1626  (isolation #124)  » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:45 am

i like the sol changes quite a bit
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Post Post #1636  (isolation #125)  » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:45 pm

got my first ranked quadra kill last night (as karthus)
lost anyway
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Post Post #1638  (isolation #126)  » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:58 pm

and other buttons!
like Q!
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Post Post #1640  (isolation #127)  » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:26 am

you just haven't reached your breaking point yet
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Post Post #1642  (isolation #128)  » Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:36 am

i don't know how to describe it beyond the term
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Post Post #1643  (isolation #129)  » Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:36 am

deep down the primary motive for all leadership is disgust
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Post Post #1647  (isolation #130)  » Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:26 pm

little of both probably
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Post Post #1648  (isolation #131)  » Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:27 pm

In post 1626, Psyche wrote:i like the sol changes quite a bit

recant
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Post Post #1660  (isolation #132)  » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:35 am

So I want to compare my toplane ranked stats when playing as karthus with my midlane ranked stats when playing as karthus. Does anyone know of a site that can pull that (comparing champion performance between roles for a particular summoner name) off?
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Post Post #1661  (isolation #133)  » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:47 pm

they're going to nerf rylais soon and that's sure to disrupt my ascent to gold
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Post Post #1663  (isolation #134)  » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:31 am

found another champ stats site
http://lolalytics.com/
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Post Post #1664  (isolation #135)  » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:52 am

nunu may be op as of patch 6.20
there are only 8 champions that have a higher winrate at 101+ games experience and they're making him stronger
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Post Post #1669  (isolation #136)  » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:55 am

damage feels unreliable
ideas for how to build him?

this seems cool: http://www.riftherald.com/lol-guides/20 ... -abilities
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Post Post #1670  (isolation #137)  » Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:03 am



GUYS THEY'VE DONE IT
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Post Post #1685  (isolation #138)  » Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:36 pm

meh
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Post Post #1688  (isolation #139)  » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:02 pm

i mean
no one avoiding doom bot spoilers will press play on a video named "doom bots of doom gameplay"
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Post Post #1698  (isolation #140)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 3:37 pm

new champions?
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Post Post #1701  (isolation #141)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:53 am

why do ivern's aas under bush slow with rylais
makes no sense
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Post Post #1703  (isolation #142)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:36 pm

he's definitely not bad
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Post Post #1710  (isolation #143)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:01 am

wish they would improve the ai of ivern's ult
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Post Post #1712  (isolation #144)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:37 am

ivern is better than kalista!
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Post Post #1719  (isolation #145)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:11 pm

http://blogoflegends.com/2016/10/08/ive ... ed-hotfix/

ivern did already get a buff and there are plans for a daisy ai fix
hope there'll be more; not sure why some of these changes weren't made pre-release
but i do think his weaknesses as a champ are somewhat overstated
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Post Post #1721  (isolation #146)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:31 pm

i just want daisy to be as smart as tibbers
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Post Post #1724  (isolation #147)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:09 pm

without daisy, it's a lot harder to pull off the full impact of skills like ivern's e and q safely
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Post Post #1729  (isolation #148)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:46 am

http://na.op.gg/champion/ivern/statistics/jungle

ivern wr increasing with time
also somehow he scales late
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Post Post #1731  (isolation #149)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:59 am

but look at that other thing
as his play and ban rate falls
his winrate's becoming pretty average as people get more experienced with him
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Post Post #1733  (isolation #150)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:04 am

ur all just haters
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Post Post #1751  (isolation #151)  » Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:40 pm

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/morgana

surprising high winrate in the toplane i spose
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Post Post #1753  (isolation #152)  » Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:46 pm

i mean, you have to agree that the complaining is understandable though, don't you?
these people you're with aren't morgana level 7s; all they know is that she's basically never played top
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Post Post #1758  (isolation #153)  » Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:33 pm

in series for s1...
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Post Post #1775  (isolation #154)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:26 am

i should probably dodge more games than i should
i guess i'm too much of an optimist
or maybe a pessimist
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Post Post #1782  (isolation #155)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:23 pm

sure
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Post Post #1786  (isolation #156)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:32 pm

no plz stop i must intervene plz stop you are totally a bamf or whatever
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Post Post #1787  (isolation #157)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:33 pm

you don't need to prove anything to this guy
you are a literal metaphorical literal ninja
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Post Post #1790  (isolation #158)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:58 pm

be free find peace
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Post Post #1795  (isolation #159)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:26 pm

really no point discussing this sort of thing with accountant
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Post Post #1805  (isolation #160)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:29 pm

What if I showed you the patch notes where Riot says dodging is a valid solo queue tactic.
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Post Post #1808  (isolation #161)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:47 pm

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Post Post #1828  (isolation #162)  » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:48 pm

zac top is dope yo
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Post Post #1831  (isolation #163)  » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:32 pm

just look at their op.gg
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Post Post #1837  (isolation #164)  » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:56 pm

only if you define "the spirit of the game" in a particular way
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Post Post #1842  (isolation #165)  » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:25 pm

>_>
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Post Post #1875  (isolation #166)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:11 am

ur forgetting the most important part
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Post Post #1877  (isolation #167)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:15 am

THE PASSIVE
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Post Post #1882  (isolation #168)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:54 pm

oh hey a new karthus skin
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Post Post #1886  (isolation #169)  » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:13 pm

oh no it's a zac nerf
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Post Post #1904  (isolation #170)  » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:58 pm

yes
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Post Post #1905  (isolation #171)  » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:01 pm

the teemoing has already been so good to me
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Post Post #1914  (isolation #172)  » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:50 am

ap teemo is underrated!
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Post Post #1916  (isolation #173)  » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:11 am

SILVER 1
ONE FINAL PUSH NEXT WEEK TO FINISH THE JOB
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Post Post #1936  (isolation #174)  » Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:20 pm

In post 1922, inte wrote:anyone want to hit gold for season rewards, i'll duo. we can play a couple of games a day

pls at least be silver lol

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Post Post #1946  (isolation #175)  » Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:49 pm

ha
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Post Post #1947  (isolation #176)  » Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:49 pm

im magical number 7
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Post Post #1949  (isolation #177)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:14 am

i've learned the api
eventually i'll be nonlazy enough to do my own studies
i wonder if you guys have any ideas?

one thing i'm interested in doing is using the "provides for the team" section of lolguru's champion pages to examine how abstracted champion strengths like "Poke", "Disengage" or "Zone Control" are represented within solo queue and contribute to winrates both overall and within/against particular team compositions

shouldn't produce terribly surprising results in general but might uncover or highlight some dynamics of the metagame
maybe as a pilot i'll just relate the stuff with champion.gg statistics
but maybe i should think of more productive ways to use my time
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Post Post #1951  (isolation #178)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:04 am

i gots my first ivern s
i went 5/0/7
and for that, got an S
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Post Post #1954  (isolation #179)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:50 pm

So the straightforward way to do it is just that - identifying winrates for abstracted champion strengths rather than champions. That obviously isn't some perfect measure of the overall effectiveness of a champion strength (some champion strengths are included in teamcomps as a response to the inclusion/exclusion of other strengths elsewhere, for example), but it's as a good a measure as most champion winrates are.

More interestingly, for each champion strength, we can look at its effectiveness (and other factors, like popularity) in the context of other champion strengths co-selected for a team or its opponent. Like maybe zone control works especially well on the team when a team has one or more carries, or maybe too many of one champion strength (too many carries?) depresses the effectiveness of that champion strength. This sort of analysis allows for a more abstract analysis of team comp dynamics that avoids getting bogged down in the specifics of individual champions.

Often when people talk about which champions belong on or against a team, they speak more about strengths than about specific champions, they talk about "peel" or "waveclear" rather than Janna or Ziggs specifically. In general, hopefully segmenting stuff by champion strength instead of champion will help us draw or confirm suspicions of connections that before were ambiguous because, for example, a particular champion with a particular kit isn't doing well this patch.

Blah blah blah.

The statistics seem sort of complicated, but it's apparent that people will be satisfied at first with less rigorous methods as long as holes in statistical logic are made obvious...
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Post Post #1955  (isolation #180)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:50 pm

ok ima do dis eventually
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Post Post #1966  (isolation #181)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:56 pm

support is the easiest to s for me neway
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Post Post #1968  (isolation #182)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:38 pm

well yeah it's not that easy
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Post Post #1970  (isolation #183)  » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:59 am

consecutive ivern s went 4/1/18
if i get another one (and win...) in a row i'll feel okay taking him into ranked!
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Post Post #1973  (isolation #184)  » Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:29 am

I think I've given up on making it to gold this season. Oh well!
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Post Post #1983  (isolation #185)  » Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:01 am

In post 1976, Panzerjager wrote:Plus the new people trying to make it gold quick, + returning players who haven't done their promos. Makes the games very very volatile.

but this is a situation the opposing team is as likely to be in as mine, and vice versa, no?
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Post Post #1987  (isolation #186)  » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:06 am

hey guys
is sion support legit??
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Post Post #1989  (isolation #187)  » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:13 am

also, i've made a script that scrapes the winrate/experience curves for each champ from lolking, as that stuff is hard to see on the same screen
is anyone interested in that data?
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Post Post #1990  (isolation #188)  » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:13 am

In post 1988, animorpherv1 wrote:It is, but only into good matchups

i suppose that's immobile adcs and their support cousins?
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Post Post #2024  (isolation #189)  » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:30 am

probably still not enough to make teemo's passive useful
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Post Post #2025  (isolation #190)  » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:32 am

ugh but control wards
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Post Post #2026  (isolation #191)  » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:49 am

lol they made a mastery just for ivern
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Post Post #2039  (isolation #192)  » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:26 pm

plants dont seem very impactful
perhaps made the jungle safer than it was before
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Post Post #2092  (isolation #193)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:33 pm

so i just got to level 5 with ivern and want to talk about his changes

HEALTH GROWTH STAT: 74 ⇒ 90
BASE MAGIC RESIST: 30 ⇒ 32
BASE ATTACK SPEED: .625 ⇒ .644
ATTACK SPEED GROWTH STAT: 2.8 ⇒ 3.4

Passive - Friend of the Forest
STARTING GROVE HEALTH COST 30% max health ⇒ 25% max health

E - Triggerseed
EXPLOSION RANGE INDICATOR Triggerseed's range indicator now only displays to Ivern's target

R - Daisy!
LOOK DOWN, DAISY If no enemy champions are nearby, Daisy now targets enemy minions when her current target dies rather than returning to Ivern
BE AGGRESSIVE, DAISY Daisy no longer fails to attack enemy champions if they can't see her

Q - Rootcaller
COOLDOWN 16/15/14/13/12 seconds ⇒ 14/13/12/11/10 seconds
NEWTREE SIN Ivern can now reactivate Rootcaller to take the dash portion of the ability in addition to issuing a basic attack

R - Daisy!
HEALTH 1250/2000/3500 ⇒ 1250/2500/3750
PUSHING DAISY Daisy should generally be smarter when it comes to following Ivern’s commands


Ivern is really good now.

the buff to daisy's tankiness (and it still has 50% AP scaling!) means with regular shielding she can solo towers on her own without minion support, .
And her AI in combo with his CC makes every teamfight a 6v5!
She doesn't just stand around anymore, and she doesn't die as quickly.
In my last normal, (with my shielding) she was able to tank and take down a 60% health turret without any minion help, and while being attacked.
I find as ivern the literally all I have too is send her into the fray, constantly E her or a teammate and land Qs. There's basically no interaction with the enemy team (cait's attack range is 650; his lowest range spell has a range of 750), rendering ivern's contribution to teamfights something like a long range tank
her initial movement speed, and ability to dash to ivern's q and carry his e makes her engage reasonably strong and unreasonably safe for ivern;
the risk that normally comes with diving into the enemy team just doesn't exist for ivern because of his ult

did you know she keeps fighting while ivern is being revived via guardian angel?
ivern is totally untargettable for those 4 seconds, and the enemy team is left with a 3750HP juggernaut still harrassing them
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another item that i and a lot of other people have found success with is a mejai's soul stealer as a second item (after athene's);
only 2 jgers die less often than ivern - sejuani and zac; none of them scale well with AP like ivern does
and of course, since ivern is the only support jungler, no other jungler gets as many assists as him
this makes the payoff from the item comparatively reliable, especially combined with the guardian angel
though of course there's still considerable disagreement over how to build him

and have you seen the way the mastery changes impacted him? greenfather's gift and courage of the collosus are both boons for him, and accessible in the the same build!

this is a bit disorganized, but they really gave ivern everything he needed to be fine, and then they gave him more; i think i'll main him for a while and wonder if he'll be nerfed sometime
the clearest thing about ivern that has gotten worse for him over the last few patches is his clear; the smite nerfs and his incapacity to benefit from jungle item changes makes his csing slower
that said, stats suggest he still cses better than 30 other junglers (a rank improvement by 10 places) and that it's his invades rather than his own clear that was impacted by these changes (he fell 40 places in counter jungle cs to become the worst counter jungler of all. 40!)
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Post Post #2095  (isolation #194)  » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:57 pm

vayne/sion/syndra are a real problem for him though considering how central the ult is to his teamfighting
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Post Post #2110  (isolation #195)  » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:52 pm

much harder to get an S with ivern than it used to be
not in the sense that he's harder to play, but that it takes better kdr, csing, etc to earn it
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Post Post #2140  (isolation #196)  » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:14 am

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Post Post #2141  (isolation #197)  » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:19 am

apparently when ivern Es someone, the damage is treated by the game as committed by that person; this might be a bug
this leads to statistics sites underestimating his damage output on the one hand, but more concretely it means cs taken with ivern's E is granted not to him, but the teammate shielded, making his support game more effective
similarly (i haven't confirmed this in-game), it might mean kill gold from kills taken with his E is granted to the shielded player rather than Ivern himself
consequently inflating his assist count while deflating his kill count
really interesting stuff
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Post Post #2143  (isolation #198)  » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:34 am

i'm sort of a cautious player who dies a lot less than other people in my elo, while my kill participation is around average
this makes me wonder if mejais would be a good idea in most of my AP picks
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Post Post #2145  (isolation #199)  » Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:29 pm

idk
in low elo games, kills happen left and right
the game i linked above involved 94 kills for example
if kill participation is high enough and i hardly ever die, then though i'm not snowballing (except in the sense that my mejais is stacking and my kdr is fine), my mere caution makes the item scale reliably
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