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I'm deathly scared of you from that vengeful marathon game where you were the only one who thought I was scum and tunnelled me on it ok don't judge meIn post 68, Titus wrote:
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Mort feels more town to me rn tbhIn post 125, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Who would you say is the town and the scum in BYF/Mort then?In post 123, MMM wrote:Not associating anyone that's just who I think is scummiest atm
Titus for reactions on me
Mort/BYF gives me TvS vibes
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I don't think being worried about being incriminated by scum it inherently scummy, however page 2 is just way too early for that. "Coincidentally", Titus pointed out 7 posts earlier that Mort was also just looking for things to attack... I just wonder whether actually got two scum right there or it's actually too good to be true.- MMM
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The two scum that I saw would be Yoshi and Titus. I don't think it was wrong for Mort to attack Yoshi when and how he did given that at that phase in the game you do have to do something to cause game progression, Titus seemed really quick to chainsaw and BYF picked up on Titus' defense quickly.In post 133, MortFeld wrote:
The two scum being me and Yoshi? That doesn't make sense. Actually this whole post doesn't make sense. What is the relevance of Titus' (correct) observation that I was just looking for things to attack?In post 131, MMM wrote:I don't think being worried about being incriminated by scum it inherently scummy, however page 2 is just way too early for that. "Coincidentally", Titus pointed out 7 posts earlier that Mort was also just looking for things to attack... I just wonder whether actually got two scum right there or it's actually too good to be true.- MMM
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Town: MortFeld, Ircher, Hikari Link
All of these should be quite obvious tbh
Null: MarioManiac4, TwoFace, NotTheRealPaul, ChannelDelibird, Tarkus
The last 3 haven't said much and I'm undecided on MM4 and TF.
Scum: Gamma Emerald, Titus, BigYoshiFan, Transcend
Already explained my first 3, Transcend is just being... weird? I feel like he's just gonna dismiss me by saying I can't meta him tbh
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That is... actually not why I'm lynching him.In post 302, Hikari Link wrote:Regarding the Transcend wagon:I don't like this wagon. Most games I've got at least one townie tunneling me hard. I just set some people off for some reason. It's rarely (if ever) scum who have this reaction. I don't think there was much for Transcend to gain as scum for pushing me as hard as he did for such poor reasons as scum. I feel like his gut just tells him that I'm a dirty scumbag and now it's just a matter of whether or not he will succumb to confirmation bias permanently.- MMM
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I'll explain later - I feel like it would be counter-intuitive if I did it now.In post 311, Hikari Link wrote:
It's a free country. For now. But could you explain what your reasoning is?In post 310, MMM wrote:Oh, my bad then. I'm still keeping the vote for the time being though.- MMM
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Important power roles would still have very good reason to be worried about looking scummy no matter how you look at it.In post 323, TwoFace wrote:
Town shouldn't care how people perceive them. Town shouldn't worry about being mislynched. Especially if you don't do scummy things. Every townie who's been mislynched has been guilty of doing things that they shouldn't have done. Lying, lurking, contradictions, whatever.In post 214, Hikari Link wrote:Town have extremely legitimate reasons to worry about looking suspicious. People can and are misinterpreted and mislynched.
Be transparent, honest, and active and don't worry about how you are perceived. That's how I always play. Go look at all my games. I give zero fucks what people think of me. I tell the truth, I stay active, and I call things as I see it.
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I don't know about you but I see town.In post 330, Titus wrote:Ok, is really no one seeing what I see in Mortfield?- MMM
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It's fair enough to say he did that around page 2, where it was deliberate but if you have any concrete examples (other than "his entire ISO") that would be appreciated.In post 337, Titus wrote:
His entire ISO looks like that to me. :/ I don't see follow through or analysis. Just a random question out in left field I cannot find out why he's asking.In post 333, TwoFace wrote:Examples of these random potshots? Cause I see nothing like that.
I find myself having a harder time getting into this than my other games so I can see where you're coming from with that.MarioManiac4 wrote:It seems like he's trying to look like a scumhunter, but I don't really see any of the conviction behind the scumhunting.
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Would have been more surprised if you were sure already.In post 374, Ircher wrote:
This. Although, I'm not sure that MMM is town at this point.In post 331, MMM wrote:
I don't know about you but I see town.In post 330, Titus wrote:Ok, is really no one seeing what I see in Mortfield?Yup
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Reasoning????????In post 377, Transcend wrote:Titus wks my mislynches
She hasn't yet
She's prob scum
Keep that in mind
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>calling everyone lynching him idiots
>not a single exampleIn post 380, Transcend wrote:I don't like his progression through the game
I don't like his pre flip associations
This is junk tooIn post 381, Transcend wrote:In post 116, MMM wrote:Titus+Mort/BYF+GE for early scum team imo
This is junkIn post 123, MMM wrote:Not associating anyone that's just who I think is scummiest atm
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Mort/BYF gives me TvS vibes
GE just feels scummy to me
>does ateIn post 384, Transcend wrote:Mort help get the votes off of me lol
>talks about ateing next postIn post 385, Transcend wrote:I'm bad at defending myself unless i ate/wifom which i don't like doing
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No I'm at the point where I don't fucking care anymore I'm not here to be dubbed a fucking idiot by some random shit on the internet. He can be a fucking infinite-shot Bulletproof Day-Bloodhound for all everyone fucking cares. I don't give a fucking shit. He's dead to me.In post 391, MortFeld wrote:MMM - maybe take an honest look at how much of 388 is scum indicative, and how much is a playstyle issue?- MMM
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Anti-town or not I'm not here to be insulted.In post 416, MortFeld wrote:Uhh ok MMM lol
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Do you want me to say anything else to someone who's gonna OMGUS everyone by calling them fucking idiots?In post 449, Ircher wrote:
Of what's been posted, this is the most important thing you have to say?In post 422, MMM wrote:Sure was a dramatic exit.
Having caught up with the thread I still don't read him as town. And I see zero town in any single one of his actions.In post 462, Hikari Link wrote:UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald
My suspicion isn't gone, but I want to reevaluate the game state when I can. Need to see if there was blatant opportunism on the Transcend wagon, if Titus is worthy of consideration, and a few other things.
@BigYoshiFan: If you townread Transcend now, get your vote off of him. Same goes for anybody else still parked on him.
In post 472, TwoFace wrote:I can't control what I find scummy. I do try to look for town motivation but I don't see any. I also don't see anyone explaining it to me either.
Like why would town feel the need to force people to townread them by doing stupid things instead of just letting happen natural by doing the towniest thing you could do, scum hunt?
Transcend didn't bother to explain to me why he did what he did. Neither did anyone else.
LITERALLY THIS SO MUCHIn post 473, TwoFace wrote:People don't like losing - I agree so they should scum hunt. They shouldn't decided to make a bunch of BS posts and say "look I'm obvtowning" because you aren't going to find scum that way and you're going to draw negative attention on you instead.
Being mislynched feels like losing - i get that so do everything in your power to prevent that. Scum hunt, ask questions, make good arguments and respond appropriately when people disagree with you. If you still get lynched you at least left behind a good body of work. If you don't do these things you have hurt town, not helped.
TwoFace is conftown how??? Like I read him as obvtown but conf???In post 498, Titus wrote:Look Transcend, if all you're going to do is shit on TwoFace because he's conftown and you aren't, I'd like it if you did sub out. It blocks people who actually do want to read the game. He has every right to play his way, as long as he doesn't tell you how to play.
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TranscendIn post 510, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Is this referring to me or Transcend?In post 509, MMM wrote:[
Having caught up with the thread I still don't read him as town. And I see zero town in any single one of his actionsIn post 462, Hikari Link wrote:UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald
My suspicion isn't gone, but I want to reevaluate the game state when I can. Need to see if there was blatant opportunism on the Transcend wagon, if Titus is worthy of consideration, and a few other things.
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That was actually directed at Grey for the shit he's gonna have to read through here.In post 509, MMM wrote:
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I don't think scum doublevoter would reveal their second vote this early but ya instantly clearing you as town is naive at best.In post 521, TwoFace wrote:
people think because I am confirmed double voter I am confirmed town. while I don't disagree with that because I am actually town, a mafia double voter is technically possible.In post 509, MMM wrote:TwoFace is conftown how??? Like I read him as obvtown but conf???
that said if I am not nk'd I should probably be lynched before lylo/mylo (which actually will be much earlier with me alive)
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Doesn't seem like it in this game given he wasn't modconfirmed and only has a single vote in this count:In post 529, Titus wrote:
Most double voters are autorevealed on site meta.In post 527, MMM wrote:
I don't think scum doublevoter would reveal their second vote this early but ya instantly clearing you as town is naive at best.In post 521, TwoFace wrote:
people think because I am confirmed double voter I am confirmed town. while I don't disagree with that because I am actually town, a mafia double voter is technically possible.In post 509, MMM wrote:TwoFace is conftown how??? Like I read him as obvtown but conf???
that said if I am not nk'd I should probably be lynched before lylo/mylo (which actually will be much earlier with me alive)
Also if Transcend says anything important then someone else tell me pls I'm not paying attention to his posts anymore at this point unless I have to.That aside,
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The point I was making is that you weren't automatically revealed though.In post 537, TwoFace wrote:
I had not placed my 2nd vote yet so that's why it was not shown in that VCIn post 534, MMM wrote:Doesn't seem like it in this game given he wasn't modconfirmed and only has a single vote in this count:- MMM
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Been over this.In post 600, -Grey- wrote:I do that as town.
How is that alignment indicative?
Just because you don't like something, doesn't make it scum-motivated.
There's not that many things that piss me the fuck off like that. Insulting my intelligence is one of them and I'm certainly not going to get thicker skin regarding this any time soon.In post 611, MortFeld wrote:
Is the post where he insulted you the one where he called everyone on his wagon idiots?In post 610, MMM wrote:Frankly, ignore everything I said about Transcend after he basically insulted me. At that point I snapped and wanted him dead for whatever shit reasoning I could come up with.
I'm just happy he's replacing out and I can play somewhat normally now.
I think you might benefit from thicker skin.
Did not.In post 629, -Grey- wrote:
I don't care. Just because somebody says words, doesn't make them true.In post 619, TwoFace wrote:
the issue is mmm explained his reads were not pre associative, they were just his top scum reads so transcend's accusation that came AFTER mmm already explained that was a false accusation.In post 606, -Grey- wrote:388 was will after the to examples he posted in 381, where he said he provided no examples.
He provided 2 suspected *groupings* of scum.Period.
4 players split into two groups of two, with neither player in the other group.
That's an association read no matter what excuses he makes.
This = Titus + One of BYF/Mort + GE. Which is to say ONE team where a single slot could vary. Notice how I also said scumIn post 116, MMM wrote:Titus+Mort/BYF+GE for early scum team imoteaminstead ofteams. I have no idea where you get "2 groupings" from... that wasn't what I was saying at all.
There's a huge difference between Transcend this game and Firescreamer in both our games. Namely: Firescreamer didn't call me a fucking idiot.In post 631, -Grey- wrote:Finally. All caught up.
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Think I'll just chainsaw a bit because I agree with Transcend about his associatives and the vitriol he's been spitting doesn't feel like the town MMM I've been playing with.
Considering he's played with me twice, he should be used to far worse than what Transcend had done this game.
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In post 640, -Grey- wrote:
FixedIn post 639, -Grey- wrote:MMM, gun to your head, which of Yoshi/Mort are scum?
I'm not feeling a Titus lynch on d1, and Gamma is an easy target.
If anything I think that makes Titus look slightly townier since town re-evaluates peoples' scumminess. Voting for that doesn't come off that well to me. Still prefer a Transcend lynch though.In post 512, BigYoshiFan wrote:Spoiler:
That's the best reason for a scumread I have at the moment.
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I'm more than willing to let the sub speak and convince me to lynch Yoshi instead but my vote is staying until I have reasonable confidence that the Transcend slot isn't scum.In post 654, -Grey- wrote:
Considering the wagon consists of pretty much all my townreads, I'm willing to vote there on that basis alone to end the day.In post 653, MMM wrote:Still prefer a Transcend lynch though.
My townread of Transcend is shaky, think I'm just worried about mislynching an antitown player for being anti-town.
That's why I was wanting his replacement to have a chance to make or break the slot.
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So if I say A, B and C are scumIn post 659, BigYoshiFan wrote:
I'm sorry, but what does "associative" mean here? Isn't anything with a group of people associative?In post 629, -Grey- wrote:
I don't care. Just because somebody says words, doesn't make them true.In post 619, TwoFace wrote:
the issue is mmm explained his reads were not pre associative, they were just his top scum reads so transcend's accusation that came AFTER mmm already explained that was a false accusation.In post 606, -Grey- wrote:388 was will after the to examples he posted in 381, where he said he provided no examples.
He provided 2 suspected *groupings* of scum.
4 players split into two groups of two, with neither player in the other group.
That's an association read no matter what excuses he makes. Period.
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It's associative if your reasoning is associative. I don't think it's implausible that your town and scum reads make themselves look like town or scum by their own merits and not by association with other people.In post 662, BigYoshiFan wrote:Well, with reason of course. You put those people in a group for a reason, right? Their interactions, more likely than not, with each other. Isn't that associative?- MMM
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With the bit of time I have right now:
Being called an idiot wasn't the reason to get onIn post 692, MarioManiac4 wrote:like the reasoning behind all of the emotion related to transcend is basically non-existent, like he tunnelled transcend and I'm not really buying that this was because transcend called him an idiot backhandedly. I feel like he may have been seeking a way out of a Transcend wagon he didn't want to stay on.
It was however an amazing reason to stay on afterwards and shit on him for everything
If he wasn't subbed my vote would be parked, even if he's subbed it probably is
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I wanted to get reactions (and of course I wouldn't say it immediately would I) and all I saw him do in response was criticise every single lynch and continuing to give random reads with barely any explanation (which to be fair I know people do but the extent to which he did it rubbed me the wrong way)In post 701, Tarkus wrote:
What was the reason to get on?In post 699, MMM wrote:With the bit of time I have right now:
Being called an idiot wasn't the reason to get onIn post 692, MarioManiac4 wrote:like the reasoning behind all of the emotion related to transcend is basically non-existent, like he tunnelled transcend and I'm not really buying that this was because transcend called him an idiot backhandedly. I feel like he may have been seeking a way out of a Transcend wagon he didn't want to stay on.
It was however an amazing reason to stay on afterwards and shit on him for everything
If he wasn't subbed my vote would be parked, even if he's subbed it probably is
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Him actually getting off his ass and doing shit in a way that is at least somewhat understandable.In post 703, Tarkus wrote:I'm suspicious that you figured his reaction would be along those lines, like setting a test he was bound to fail (in your eyes) in order to justify pushing his wagon.
What kinda reaction would you expect if he's town?
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Nah it really isn't.In post 699, MMM wrote:It was however an amazing reason to stay on afterwards and shit on him for everything
No completed games on Mafiascum or other forums. I mostly play on PS where the games aren't stored [publicly] to refer back to later. Gamma might be able to confirm but I'm not sure if he ever witnessed a similar reaction.In post 728, Hikari Link wrote:@MMM: Do you happen to have any completed games where somebody has called you an idiot or otherwise insulted your intelligence? This could easily confirm your claim.
I said probably. The sub has a lot of convincing to do. (if we ever get one)In post 729, Hikari Link wrote:
Why would your vote stay parked, even if he is subbed?In post 699, MMM wrote:With the bit of time I have right now:
Being called an idiot wasn't the reason to get onIn post 692, MarioManiac4 wrote:like the reasoning behind all of the emotion related to transcend is basically non-existent, like he tunnelled transcend and I'm not really buying that this was because transcend called him an idiot backhandedly. I feel like he may have been seeking a way out of a Transcend wagon he didn't want to stay on.
It was however an amazing reason to stay on afterwards and shit on him for everything
If he wasn't subbed my vote would be parked, even if he's subbed it probably is
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I need to make myself understood better sometimes.In post 734, MMM wrote:
Agree to disagree.In post 707, TwoFace wrote:
Nah it really isn't.In post 699, MMM wrote:Itwasseemedhowever an amazing reason to stay on afterwards and shit on him for everything- MMM
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If that's the case then that's fucking gross.In post 746, MortFeld wrote:
Stone Cold.In post 745, MMM wrote:
Who's SC?In post 742, MortFeld wrote:Also knowing SC is Grey makes me mad because SC lied to me in a newbie game.- MMM
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Personally Titus seemed townier to me after seeing her re-evaluate Transcend... I'll have another look later.In post 748, MortFeld wrote:MN 1848. I think one or two scum were on the wagon but a lot of town were too obviously.
I'm SRing Titus because her push on me is very bad and she has continually avoided my prods to expand on it. Similar situation for her Yoshi push.
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If that was me and I was fed up to hell with the game I'd leave without explaining anything regardless of alignment honestly. Might just be me though.In post 754, BigYoshiFan wrote:
@TwoFaceIn post 698, BigYoshiFan wrote:397, and her reads in general, look horrifically opportunistic.
She calls Transcend weak town in 182 based on his playstyle, so I find it hard to believe she was convinced he was scum after 388 and whatever TwoFace has said.
She still hasn't explained her read on me, and perhaps even ignored my request to explain it.
She doesn't have anything original that she's pushing (except Mortfeld I suppose), just other opinions.
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Oh, that. Grey says that all the time too, tbh.In post 752, MortFeld wrote:SC didn't exactly lie. But I asked if I had played with his main and he said "maybe." Lol.- MMM
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That's something I can't answer either, but I can say almost for sure none of the replace-outs were caught scum. (Maybe scum, definitely not caught)In post 761, BigYoshiFan wrote:Also, why did she wait until now to replace out if it was for that reason?- MMM
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Just because we can't explain it doesn't necessarily mean it's not genuine.In post 763, BigYoshiFan wrote:Right.
Titus' sub-out comes off as less genuine for that reason, would you agree?
Titus isn't that townie to be quite honest - just not that scummy. Grey aggravates people a lot in general, so I think it's NAI. Tarkus needs to post more before he can convince me he's town. Ircher has indeed not done a whole bunch but what he has done does feel like it comes from town. TwoFace isn't an IC but he seems townie to me. ChannelDelibird needs to post more and Transcend's sub will have a lot of convincing to do too.MarioManiac4 wrote:Titus- the only one who was willing to try and discuss the game with me, feels town in the posting, weird wagon
Ircher- actually Ircher hasn't done much, I could possibly lynch it I guess?
MortFeld- scumhunting a lot and putting effort into it, don't see scum here
Transcend- felt town earlygame, ate is a logical fallacy but usually NAI
TwoFace- doublevoter is a plus and he is actively scumhunting.
BigYoshiFan- ? not sure on this one tbh, iso'd him earlier and his posts didn't really have any clear scum motivation
Gamma Emerald- actually looking back I don't really like this slot, feels like he's making a lot of posts that seem to have the motivation to look like scumhunting but he doesn't really do anything with the answers to his questions. I guess this would be my primary scumread?
Tarkus- his posts make sense and they resonate with me so this slot is probtown
-Grey- (replaces NotTheRealPaul)- he put a lot of effort into catching up into this game, and I don't think he'd want to aggravate me for no reason when he basically told me to stfu earlier.
ChannelDelibird- his hikari vote isn't great but he has made one post
MMM- I used to think this was scum but now I'm not sure- his explanation of his positions make sense and he's starting to feel progressively townier.
Hikari Link- in a game of spamposting and nullity he has taken explicit steps to advance the game. town.
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It's not a trust tell, it's just NAI.In post 766, BigYoshiFan wrote:And now it becomes a trust tell... sigh.- MMM
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I'm fairly certain that just because there's no scum motivation on every single post a person makes, that doesn't make them town...In post 783, MarioManiac4 wrote:
@grey; the thing was that there was no scum motivation for trying to make me more emotive rly.In post 773, MMM wrote:
Just because we can't explain it doesn't necessarily mean it's not genuine.In post 763, BigYoshiFan wrote:Right.
Titus' sub-out comes off as less genuine for that reason, would you agree?
Titus isn't that townie to be quite honest - just not that scummy. Grey aggravates people a lot in general, so I think it's NAI. Tarkus needs to post more before he can convince me he's town. Ircher has indeed not done a whole bunch but what he has done does feel like it comes from town. TwoFace isn't an IC but he seems townie to me. ChannelDelibird needs to post more and Transcend's sub will have a lot of convincing to do too.MarioManiac4 wrote:Titus- the only one who was willing to try and discuss the game with me, feels town in the posting, weird wagon
Ircher- actually Ircher hasn't done much, I could possibly lynch it I guess?
MortFeld- scumhunting a lot and putting effort into it, don't see scum here
Transcend- felt town earlygame, ate is a logical fallacy but usually NAI
TwoFace- doublevoter is a plus and he is actively scumhunting.
BigYoshiFan- ? not sure on this one tbh, iso'd him earlier and his posts didn't really have any clear scum motivation
Gamma Emerald- actually looking back I don't really like this slot, feels like he's making a lot of posts that seem to have the motivation to look like scumhunting but he doesn't really do anything with the answers to his questions. I guess this would be my primary scumread?
Tarkus- his posts make sense and they resonate with me so this slot is probtown
-Grey- (replaces NotTheRealPaul)- he put a lot of effort into catching up into this game, and I don't think he'd want to aggravate me for no reason when he basically told me to stfu earlier.
ChannelDelibird- his hikari vote isn't great but he has made one post
MMM- I used to think this was scum but now I'm not sure- his explanation of his positions make sense and he's starting to feel progressively townier.
Hikari Link- in a game of spamposting and nullity he has taken explicit steps to advance the game. town.
Other than what I mentioned I'm mostly in agreement with your reads (which is to say I agree with you on <50% of all players lol)
@Ircher; Meta is generally bad but it can be good in specific cases- and Ircher's play here doesn't really fit what I've seen him as when I played town!him in a handful of game.
And re: Ircher, that was my read anyway. I dislike meta and I'd avoid using it seriously as much as possible honestly - and as for whether your meta read is right, I do not know.
When Transcend was still in and I hadn't voted him yet it seemed to me like it could really just be a playstyle thing, but by the time he subbed out he changed literally nothing and just kept spewing what at least seemed to be nonsense the entire time. And I feel like it's deliberate, and hence scum motivated.In post 788, Hikari Link wrote:
I think you misunderstand me. I'm asking you why that's the case. Other than insult you, what activity made himIn post 734, MMM wrote:In post 729, Hikari Link wrote:
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With the bit of time I have right now:
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like the reasoning behind all of the emotion related to transcend is basically non-existent, like he tunnelled transcend and I'm not really buying that this was because transcend called him an idiot backhandedly. I feel like he may have been seeking a way out of a Transcend wagon he didn't want to stay on.
Being called an idiot wasn't the reason to get on
It was however an amazing reason to stay on afterwards and shit on him for everything
If he wasn't subbed my vote would be parked, even if he's subbed it probably is
No clue what you mean by "didn't want to stay on", I'm perfectly fine with doing so //shrug
Why would your vote stay parked, even if he is subbed?
I said probably. The sub has a lot of convincing to do. (if we ever get one)soscummy that even with a replacement, his slot can't be redeemed.
Wagons can easily shift over time even if for a few days there are only a couple of people that are being focused on/wagoned. Unless 75% of the town says a person is scum (or there is evidence from a cop/similar), wagons can change, and therefore scum is not caught at all.Hikari Link wrote:In post 762, MMM wrote:
That's something I can't answer either, but I can say almost for sure none of the replace-outs were caught scum. (Maybe scum, definitely not caught)In post 761, BigYoshiFan wrote:Also, why did she wait until now to replace out if it was for that reason?
How can you reconcile these two statements when both of them subbed out when they had a large wagon on them? If they were scum, they were fairly caught. So if you say that they weren't caught scum, it sounds like a trust tell. I'm not trying to misrepresent you, I just want to understand where you are coming from.In post 774, MMM wrote:
It's not a trust tell, it's just NAI.In post 766, BigYoshiFan wrote:And now it becomes a trust tell... sigh.
Just because there is a large wagon on you, heck even if it's at L-1, does not mean that if you replace out the reasoning HAS to be that you're caught scum.- MMM
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Sadly can't do that much with this given that 3 people (Transcend, -Grey-, Titus) need a replacement and 2 (ChannelDelibird, Tarkus) have hardly said anything. The only one of those slots that I have any confidence on is Transcend (I know I placed Grey in my townlean pile but at the same time he always seems townie to me, and that's considering I played him in both my completed games so far, so my confidence in my read on him is low) and technically his sub can still convince me not to lynch him.
Also offtopic but how long's it been since mods started looking for replacements... 2 and a half days almost, I think? We might never even get them at this rate which would be really disappointing as I was looking forward to this quite a bit.
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No I think if he was town he would have at least tried doing SOMETHING, but yet he didn't. Unless he gets banned for being a huge troll or something that's the way my read of his actions is going to stay.In post 801, Hikari Link wrote:
Wouldn't that be indicative of his personalty then, not his playstyle or his alignment motivations?In post 798, MMM wrote:
When Transcend was still in and I hadn't voted him yet it seemed to me like it could really just be a playstyle thing, but by the time he subbed out he changed literally nothing and just kept spewing what at least seemed to be nonsense the entire time. And I feel like it's deliberate, and hence scum motivated.In post 788, Hikari Link wrote:
I think you misunderstand me. I'm asking you why that's the case. Other than insult you, what activity made himIn post 734, MMM wrote:In post 729, Hikari Link wrote:
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With the bit of time I have right now:
In post 692, MarioManiac4 wrote:
like the reasoning behind all of the emotion related to transcend is basically non-existent, like he tunnelled transcend and I'm not really buying that this was because transcend called him an idiot backhandedly. I feel like he may have been seeking a way out of a Transcend wagon he didn't want to stay on.
Being called an idiot wasn't the reason to get on
It was however an amazing reason to stay on afterwards and shit on him for everything
If he wasn't subbed my vote would be parked, even if he's subbed it probably is
No clue what you mean by "didn't want to stay on", I'm perfectly fine with doing so //shrug
Why would your vote stay parked, even if he is subbed?
I said probably. The sub has a lot of convincing to do. (if we ever get one)soscummy that even with a replacement, his slot can't be redeemed.
We might have. And yes, I do tend to assume that I am obviously in the right a lot of the time even if it's not really obvious and sometimes even if I'm not right. Perhaps all my viewpoints on the matter of subbing out come from the fact that I have a somewhat petty dislike for giving up until having actually tried everything I could.
I feel like we have different definitions of "caught." And you're applying your definition as though everybody feels it is the same definition. For all you know, one or both of them could feel that L-2 is serious enough to be considered caught.In post 798, MMM wrote:
Wagons can easily shift over time even if for a few days there are only a couple of people that are being focused on/wagoned. Unless 75% of the town says a person is scum (or there is evidence from a cop/similar), wagons can change, and therefore scum is not caught at all.Hikari Link wrote:In post 762, MMM wrote:
That's something I can't answer either, but I can say almost for sure none of the replace-outs were caught scum. (Maybe scum, definitely not caught)In post 761, BigYoshiFan wrote:Also, why did she wait until now to replace out if it was for that reason?
How can you reconcile these two statements when both of them subbed out when they had a large wagon on them? If they were scum, they were fairly caught. So if you say that they weren't caught scum, it sounds like a trust tell. I'm not trying to misrepresent you, I just want to understand where you are coming from.In post 774, MMM wrote:
It's not a trust tell, it's just NAI.In post 766, BigYoshiFan wrote:And now it becomes a trust tell... sigh.
Just because there is a large wagon on you, heck even if it's at L-1, does not mean that if you replace out the reasoning HAS to be that you're caught scum.
That said, I'm not saying that caught scum necessarily have to replace out because they are caught. They can be caught and they can be scum and they can replace out, but that doesn't me that they replaced out because they were caught scum. - MMM
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