Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Sesq]

sup

VOTE: gamma emerald

[Sesq]

VOTE: aronagrundy

[Sesq]

exactly

wasnt even subtle

[Sesq]

wait l2 fuck

UNVOTE: aronagrundy

[Sesq]

why is being concerned about L2 an issue

especially this early

[Sesq]

why is being concerned about L2 an issue

especially this early

L-2 is not a bad thing! It feels like you are worrying about your perception, rather than actually evaluating the gamestate.

not in my experience

[Sesq]

ease of scum to hop on early

it was a stupid move in hindsight

[Sesq]

i dont fuckin know

you maybe

[Sesq]

you can be scum starting it

[Sesq]

i think you are

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Sesq]

gamma rn

[Sesq]

lunae, are you an alt?

[Sesq]

VOTE: LunaeCinere

are you an alt

[Sesq]

VOTE: LunaeCinere

are you an alt

I am pretty sure I registered an account here five years ago, but currently this is the only account I play on in mafiascum.
Why do you need to know the answer, anyway?

many reasons

Leaning town on Lunae right now.

I dont like Sesq at all though

VOTE: Sesq

and why would that be

[Sesq]

why I dont like Seaq? or why Im leaning town on you?

both

[Sesq]

why I dont like Seaq? or why Im leaning town on you?

I am not a Sesq alt!

this wasnt implied

Pls don't shoot anyone in real life

Well maybe people shouldn't be asking questions that make you have to shoot people in real life

it was never implied it was outside of the game

[Sesq]

why I dont like Seaq? or why Im leaning town on you?

I am not a Sesq alt!

this wasnt implied

It was! He referred to me as "you" while answering a post directed to Sesq.

Pls don't shoot anyone in real life

Well maybe people shouldn't be asking questions that make you have to shoot people in real life

it was never implied it was outside of the game

There are no guns in this game, so it actually was! If you refer to something that isn't in the game but is outside the game, I will think that you were talking about something outside of the game.[/quote]

if you looked at his previous post he said that he didnt like me (sesq) and was leaning town on you (lunae)

seems pretty clear

to answer your second question, yes there are. when mafia kills it is almost always recognized as shooting, same with vigs.

i'm going to try and focus on other players now due to how irrationally irritated you make me.

[Sesq]

it would be something entertaining, i guess.

feels like there's only 6 players who have done anything

[Sesq]

exactly

i think we should start an alliance of some sort

who's down your sights right now

[Sesq]

what else would it mean, gamma?

and yeah, maybe we should snipe from the inactive pile.

how about VOTE: Coop Sheep

[Sesq]

why pyra?

[Sesq]

and why would that be

[Sesq]

how is that ai?

[Sesq]

and why would that be

Coz of your deductive prowess in 54

whats 54

how is that ai?

How is what ai?

the thing you quoted of me and said "presumptuous but town"

[Sesq]

VOTE: alban

[Sesq]

as a rule of thumb, scum are usually more considerate with votes

scum dont play off the cuff

[Sesq]

you will soon

[Sesq]

no

it relies on the reactions of others

[Sesq]

you'll see

don't want scum to pick up

[Sesq]

hellfire and alban are scum.

[Sesq]

read my posts and it should become obvious what my intentions are

[Sesq]

read my posts and it should become obvious what my intentions are

achem

i think you forgot

reasons

can you explain for me right now
i mean i went and looked and like
minimal content
i dont see anything (notable)
so yeah
reasons?
like, you type out, right now, right here, reasons

stop dodging

are you unable to read? concentrate if you need to. get some coffee. if you haven't made it out within the next 30 minutes or so i'll reveal it

[Sesq]

actually nah just by next post

i dont want to have you sit around and wait

please actually read tho

[Sesq]

*your next post

fug

[Sesq]

yep, you're scum.

you are definitely scum.

i had doubts at one point, wanted to see how things would play out.

but here, i know you're scum.

VOTE: HM

[Sesq]

Still no reasoning what is this? Please share your thoughts I cant mind read.

but you can game read

should be pretty simple to see whats going on

@Comm i think paul is just a noob

[Sesq]

just trust me

i dont trust you enough to teach you

[Sesq]

IDK why you dont trust me. Im seriously curious how tf you arrived at the conclusion HM is scum.

interactions

[Sesq]

vote him

itll help

[Sesq]

what townie votes for a wagon he doesnt understand. Especially after clearly saying he doesnt get it.

I will patiently wait over here until I receive an explanation that my noob self can understand thank you very much.

so that he can learn to understand it

[Sesq]

it would be without risk at this point in time

your skepticism is telling

[Sesq]

IDK why you dont trust me. Im seriously curious how tf you arrived at the conclusion HM is scum.

interactions

I've only interacted with you

And Comm but that was rvs

sorry, i did mean interactions between you and me. this is my mistake.

i'm going to try and focus on other players now due to how irrationally irritated you make me

This is me.
He's dodging all my questions, providing some sort of shifty answer that depends on how good of a MS player i am
And when i quiz him on what it all means, he just says "You'll see later"
Which is really annoying because it feels like i'm digging into quicksand
VOTE: Sesq
Unless he can pull a rabbit out of his ass i'm sticking with this vote
Please persuade me Sesq that you're just VI

what does VI mean again?

but anyway, i have a question:

why would I reveal anything to scum?

[Sesq]

thanks

let's get to the bottom of this

[Sesq]

lunae is such a noob they're making alban look town

this is really weird

(also don't take that as an insult. we all were.)

[Sesq]

yep, you're with GE

PEDIT: it has nothing to do with the fact that you're the one speaking to me, it's that you're alive.

[Sesq]

yep, you're with GE

Is GE bussing his partner then?

yeah

yep, you're with GE

PEDIT: it has nothing to do with the fact that you're the one speaking to me, it's that you're alive.

i'm with GE?
does that mean comm is also scum
wait

or maybe YOU'RE SCUM

WOAH MAN

OR MAYBE
ITS COMM AND YOU

WOAH MAN

please stop dodging my questions
"it has nothing to do with the fact that you're the one speaking to me, it's that you're alive."
if this were a couple hours away from a lynch i would be worried
but i don't get this
was i supposed to die like 5 minutes ago or something

what questions have i dodged?

please repost if you think i missed anything.

[Sesq]

I don't think this overreaction comes from scum.

@Sesq, @HM: What's your read on Creature.

i dont know

[Sesq]

what questions have i dodged?

please repost if you think i missed anything.

He has repeatedly claimed you are dodging explaining your case on him - which is valid as all your answers thus far have been along the lines of 'trust me' and 'got you'. Like, if you offered me a million dollars if I could describe your case on him, I wouldn't be able to travel to Tahiti this year.

you can see why i'm not providing my case, right?

yep, you're with GE

PEDIT: it has nothing to do with the fact that you're the one speaking to me, it's that you're alive.

Where did this come from

HM

[Sesq]

What specifically from HM

Finally! A pagetop!

VC 1.06

Hellfire Missile (3)

:

Sesq, CommKnight,

Gamma Emerald,

Sesq (3)

: Pyra, NotTheRealPaul, Hellfire Missile,

Creature (2)

: ShadedMelee, NJAC,

Cooperative Sheep (1)

: Creature,

NJAC (1)

: aronagrundy,

aronagrundy (1)

: Cooperative Sheep,

alban (1)

: LunaeCinere,

Not Voting

(1): alban,

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-06-02 18:30:00)

i swear to fucking god if i get lynched because Comm was joking and Sesq was being a piece of shit
im gonna be fucking salty
(I see why GE voted me)

[Sesq]

look at ur own iso lmao

[Sesq]

nobody is this willingly oblivious of their own play

or you could actually look into it more

[Sesq]

look into the other votes now

[Sesq]

you can see why i'm not providing my case, right?

No.
The list of times when withholding a worthwhile case as town is a good move is very limited, and on Day 1 with no Night 0 is even more limited.
I'm pretty much left with the following options;
1. The case is super thin and it's boring/meaningless to explain 'gut'
2. You're convinced your tell is super amazing, and don't wish to reveal it to other scum so that you can catch them.

If it's #1 you're wasting everyone's time by acting like it's anything more than that.
If it's #2 then, I submit, the tell probably isn't as good as you think, and even if it is it's strongly worth explaining to lynch one scum, because I've never seen a secret tell work twice in the same game.
If it's some other option then I'm too dumb to think of it.

uh, what?

[Sesq]

i agree with this but im not sure if ill move

[Sesq]

Also, @Comm: why are you defending Sesq so much?

probably because hes familiar with my style

not with me personally, we haven't played before

[Sesq]

on HM

[Sesq]

i dont know if this buddying is town or scum

will have to think about it more

[Sesq]

not in my experience

[Sesq]

you disappoint me

[Sesq]

damn, hm. i was about to hop on creature but you just gave me another reason that you're scum.

[Sesq]

i want to try and vote for other people, but you're making it far too difficult not to.

[Sesq]

into the contest i dive

[Sesq]

damn, hm. i was about to hop on creature but you just gave me another reason that you're scum.

What

The

Fuck


Okay someone else do this

Maybe then he'll STOP FUCKING DODGING QUESTIONS
WHY DOES NO ONE ELSE FIND THIS SCUMMY

HAHHHAAHHA

HAHHAHAHAHAHHAH

HOLY SHIT

I CANT BELIEVE THIS

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

Because it's kind of expected from Sesq?

This is his meta? YAY WE GOT A SHITTY PLAYER IN OUR TABLE HERE

still?

well, it shows how unobservant some of you are.

[Sesq]

no, it was in reference to site contest, which is the thread i thought i was on

[Sesq]

just because you post a lot doesn't mean you cannot be forgotten

flimsy

[Sesq]

sesq's prev games as town involved reads with explanation (skipped marathon and minis)
not AI probably but pointing it out (i've probably missed out on some scum games if i've skipped marathons and minis, i think there was one normal scum game that was some time ago i don't really remember)

irony that i got banned in a game that Shiqf would later replace in (as town)

i was actually in the game from the beginning

i've only had two scum games, one of them was just entirely removed from my normal meta because i was new, the second i was just hardcore lurking and generally completely disassociated from gamestate.

[Sesq]

@Sesq:

just because you post a lot doesn't mean you cannot be forgotten

flimsy

What's your read on Comm?

probably town

wouldn't be too surprised if i'm actually being led along by creature+comm team

[Sesq]

sure?

[Sesq]

i feel this is wrong

idk why

[Sesq]

probably you

[Sesq]

Anyone else
Why would you say me when the only reasoning so far has been an associative with Hellfire
Are you scum with Hellfire trying to back off the bus?

nah, there's other things

VOTE: Creature

[Sesq]

an honest person doesn't play like this tbh

[Sesq]

Does dishonest = scum though

yes

VOTE: Gamma

[Sesq]

i am

[Sesq]

im at l-3 for dumb reasons

VOTE: Creature

[Sesq]

no its because people dont understand the intricacies of playing Advanced(tm) Mafia

Where's HM?

[Sesq]

I lost the ISO magic because I got bored lol

this but my hm case

will have to re-read to get a hold on that

also i'm l-2 right now

yall've no idea what you are doing

i play like this every game

[Sesq]

at least every town game

[Sesq]

some reactions that didnt feel like they could come from angry town.

[Sesq]

yeah im pretty sure i know who scum is

[Sesq]

the fact that i am the largest wagon, is very dumb.

i have some tricks up my sleeve.

be on your toes.

[Sesq]

come on guys, i think we all
know who we need to vote on.

[Sesq]

scum is commknight, alban and creature.

VOTE: CommKnight

[Sesq]

UNVOTE:

nope

VOTE: CoopSheep

[Sesq]

i've had enough

VOTE: NTRP

should be less mobile

[Sesq]

i've had enough

VOTE: NTRP

should be less mobile

Once again, why?

you're not helping

also comm is still scummy as all hell

@GE because i cant decide anything

[Sesq]

i've had enough

VOTE: NTRP

should be less mobile

Once again, why?

you're not helping

also comm is still scummy as all hell

@GE because i cant decide anything

I guess asking you to share your thoughts doesnt help then. Newbie queue has taught me nothing.

wrong

you haven't been taught nothing, you've learned nothing.

[Sesq]

VOTE: Comm

I have very bad feelings about this lynch

but I don't have anything else

[Sesq]

VOTE: Cooperative Sheep

Not being cooperative.

i've had enough

VOTE: NTRP

should be less mobile

Once again, why?

you're not helping

also comm is still scummy as all hell

@GE because i cant decide anything

I guess asking you to share your thoughts doesnt help then. Newbie queue has taught me nothing.

wrong

you haven't been taught nothing, you've learned nothing.

ignore sesq Paul
he's definitely not the best of all
bad play + being a dick for no reason
if he's town that's almost treason

im not being a dick :<:<:<:<:<

[Sesq]

@NOTAPAUL:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=71042

read

[Sesq]

read day one

especially kts

pay attention

[Sesq]

Hmm

[Sesq]

good

you should be

now lets lynch alban

[Sesq]

VOTE: alban

well thanks for reminding me

but in reality, i just forgot. dont let confibas shook you.

i think it should be pretty evident why he is scum

[Sesq]

better to read his words

[Sesq]

im night three doctor

counterclaim me

i fucking dare you

[Sesq]

100%

counter claim me

[Sesq]

i wasnt talking to you paul

but i would policy lynch

due to this claim i am officialy CONFTOWN

until i am killed tonight / someone tries to challenge my 100% correct claim

[Sesq]

nice job trying to dismiss the fact thats a counterclaim

yeah you're scum

[Sesq]

i wasnt talking to you paul

but i would policy lynch

due to this claim i am officialy CONFTOWN

until i am killed tonight / someone tries to challenge my 100% correct claim

No you're not. You just are so off-base believing that a random claim clears you that no one fucking cares.

I was N1 doc and saved Creature.
This is the reason why I was a bit suspicious of Agent's claim.
Although there could be 2 docs, for me it's unlikely that there could be 3 docs on N1.
I would like to lynch between Agent and Sheep.

Any preference there sport?

yeah, but if im not being cc'd im confirmed town

so for now, you should believe everything i say as if it was coming from town. not as if its automatically accurate, but coming from town.

unless someone wants to counterclaim. i dare you to do it scum

anyway so we lynch in {alban, sparkles, coop sheep}

feeling most confident about alban

[Sesq]

i wasnt talking to you paul

but i would policy lynch

due to this claim i am officialy CONFTOWN

until i am killed tonight / someone tries to challenge my 100% correct claim

No you're not. You just are so off-base believing that a random claim clears you that no one fucking cares.

I was N1 doc and saved Creature.
This is the reason why I was a bit suspicious of Agent's claim.
Although there could be 2 docs, for me it's unlikely that there could be 3 docs on N1.
I would like to lynch between Agent and Sheep.

Any preference there sport?

yeah, but if im not being cc'd im confirmed town

..snipped..

feeling most confident about alban

Explain the statements in bold.

oh my god i just

AAAAH

i'm a moron.

thought the setup was like, only one cop/doc per night.

ignore all my previous stuff.

i still think that alban is scum regardless.

[Sesq]

VOTE: alban

well thanks for reminding me

but in reality, i just forgot. dont let confibas shook you.

i think it should be pretty evident why he is scum

Do I have to make another case to convince you he's town again?
I'm not sure alban would claim n1 doc as scum after aron's post.

>implying you did it at all

[Sesq]

sheep's last post feels very scummy for some reason

[Sesq]

nah it was "want to move to hellfire"

i actually forgot about that bit

[Sesq]

it just aint natural dude

[Sesq]

idk

just lost interest

i think i was pulling some SUPER META ULTRAGAMBITS but i forgot them because i didnt write it down so :shrug:

[Sesq]

hmm

[Sesq]

VOTE: Mutton

confident on this

[Sesq]

I don't really buy Sesq's supposed townslip of thinking she was conftown. There was absolutely no reason to claim when she did, and the fact that there can be multiple of the same power role on one night had already been brought up on the last page. Given that Sesq had already been involved since daystart, I think it's a hard to believe that she just didn't see it and somehow came to the conclusion that immediately outing herself was the right move.

trust me, i can be this stupid.

[Sesq]

why would scum do it knowing that it wasnt that way

[Sesq]

i disagree

[Sesq]

It's WIFOM
"Why would scum do X?"
"So you'd ask that question"

wha

[Sesq]

its how you said it

[Sesq]

Hi

will get back on this game later

[Sesq]

5, sesq also hard claimed night 4 doctor
why? absolutely no reason. fishing for a "cc" roflcoptor

*night three

[Sesq]

Because I am not a fan of him randomly claiming, not being here, and being the n1 counter

nothin i do is random it is all planned
also im a woman

[Sesq]

ok, so we lynch in cop pool, right?

[Sesq]

ok, so we lynch in cop pool, right?

What are you coasting for? I still haven't seen anything I've been waiting for from you.

oh yeah i forgot

VOTE: Agent Sparkles

stop talking to me

[Sesq]

who me? i have no idea what you're talking about

[Sesq]

posting what

[Sesq]

i dont know what you were building off of in that reply

[Sesq]

wait i havent what the fuck

[Sesq]

if someone can get me actually posted on who we are better off lynching in i will get my vote off the current scumfuckiest person (as)

[Sesq]

and refusing to speak is not necessarily anti-town

but saying it is can be easy wagon points

[Sesq]

ALL ABOARD THE SESQ MISLYNCH WOO WOO

ok im gonna go to sleep before i say something that gets me banned

[Sesq]

coming from u i believe that

[Sesq]

i'm not having too much fun either tbh

i'm just confused with random setup stuff and dont really have any solid reads except for mutton and AS, vaguely

and maybe titus (not sure)

[Sesq]

i thought it was in cop?

idk, what's more helpful, lynching maybescum or an unhelpful town

[Sesq]

no like i remember someone saying we should lynch in cop!pool

[Sesq]

no like i remember someone saying we should lynch in cop!pool

Are you even pretending to read at this point?

never was

what's the plan (that doesn't involve lynching town, which is me)

[Sesq]

wait we're listening to alban wtf

[Sesq]

you missed me not doing anything scummy

[Sesq]

mutton or paul

[Sesq]

i dont buy the act

[Sesq]

his entire play is an act that has, as my patience, worn thin

VOTE: paul

[Sesq]

Can you give examples?

literally every post he has made sounds stilted, unnatural, and foreplanned

this is not a town slot

[Sesq]

Lol at how dead wrong Sesq is. I will say I do often erase what I type to try to make it flow a bit better/avoid confusion. Like I rewrote this 2-3 times trying to fit a joke but alas the creative portion of my mind is not at full power and I was unable to come up with anything good.

@Titus thank you for the list oh so very helpful.

lollllll

you're only proving my point

[Sesq]

Lol at how dead wrong Sesq is. I will say I do often erase what I type to try to make it flow a bit better/avoid confusion. Like I rewrote this 2-3 times trying to fit a joke but alas the creative portion of my mind is not at full power and I was unable to come up with anything good.

@Titus thank you for the list oh so very helpful.

lollllll

you're only proving my point

He has specifically proved your point.

How does that make him scum exactly?

my point is that he is scum and his entire play has been a lie.

[Sesq]

has he done anything productive?

it's just so obvious

[Sesq]

Sesq what have you done? To contribute that is.

And all I said was I try to make my posts flow better. Thats just being considerate for you all. Like if I wanted I could vomit my thoughts on the page and then I'll spend another page explaining to yall what exactly I meant instead of me having it make more sense and my thoughts explained in one post.

what i'm doing right now lmao

also no that excuse doesn't work

it doesn't actually address my issue

[Sesq]

i set up that post for you to most likely come out looking town and even then it didn't work

like what

[Sesq]

yeah you're definitely scum now

i thought i might have been confbiasing but its just so very likely now

[Sesq]

wow that's the best defense i've ever seen

UNVOTE:

[Sesq]

HAHA IM KIDDING

VOTE: NotTheRealPaul

[Sesq]

has he done anything productive?

it's just so obvious

I will agree he hasn't been overly productive.
I would note that he is hardly alone in that category, and I'd argue some slots are less productive than him.
I also, sadly, would have to note that being useless is something many town players do - so how does this suggests he's scum, much less suggest he's more likely scum than any of the other non-producers we're having to deal with in this game?

Resistance to the wagon implies Scum.

Resistance to which wagon?
I can count at least two that are getting obvious resistance - which one are you noting?

this was my mistake for not elaborating enough

that was not a valid point

however, what he has done is try to look like he was being productive, and herein lies a valid scumtell.

[Sesq]

lol this wagon is dumb

paul is still scum

[Sesq]

what's happened since i was gone

[Sesq]

why would anyone like it

its so dumb

and you're so obviously scum

[Sesq]

why

[Sesq]

i'm "around"

[Sesq]

or it means they're always right in the end, but do you know when the end is?

no.

so its a bullshit point

lets move on

[Sesq]

not looking too good

[Sesq]

Time for a survey

Do you like mutton chop?
On a scale from one to one hundred, how cute are you?
Can you dance?
The pain threshold of most humans, including myself, is thirteen. Can you top it?
One of the lesser known facts about ants is that they can detect a fire. Do you believe this?
Right now, I obsess over Paddy, who I think is incredibly cute. Do you agree with mia?

Yes and no answers only. Any other type of answer will be dismissed and discarded.

no, no, yes, yes, yes, no

[Sesq]

haha this guy just put a townie to l-1

VOTE: navy

its omgus but i dont care, you deserve it

[Sesq]

*its omgus (as if that actually is a valid counterpoint in any situation ever)

[Sesq]

everything from him feels fake and suspicious

[Sesq]

not really

his rhyming gimmick especially

[Sesq]

haha you just lynched town you dumbs

go after navy tomorow

[Sesq]

hAHa

boi

[Sesq]

you're newer than me

[Sesq]

>implying i have kept this quality of play always

i also try to stay out of rome because of all the strict logicians

my major flaw was just not paying attention with this game really