Because...?In post 1526, TwoFace wrote:I really wish you would not have allowed that...In post 1523, XnadrojX wrote:Kelvin Smith, Hikari Link's alt, has replaced Hikari Link
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Yeah, but now I don't have to switch out between accounts to post in this game, which means I won't be inherently inclined to be less active in this game, so... I guess it kinda balances out?In post 1533, TwoFace wrote:now when i want to iso you I have to use the multi-user- Kelvin Smith
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This was a post that I thought I submitted before I rushed off to school, but I didn't realize other posts had I occurred when I hit submit, so it never got sent.
Need more info on him to get a better read.In post 1518, WhemeStar wrote:Hikari what do you think of Rayfrost slot?
Stubborn? Probably. Bad? That's probably not my place to decide.In post 1519, TwoFace wrote:
having everyone list their top 3 isn't helpful either though.In post 1516, Hikari Link wrote:ou see this right here? This isn't helpful.
Wheme is who I want lynched. call me stubborn or a bad player or whatever but he scum claimed and i can't vote elsewhere
I don't recall Wheme scum claiming (except possibly as a joke, but I've seen that before, so...) . And even if you won't get onboard, maybe somebody else will. And if w get to the deadline, I hope that you'll actually hammer, rather than let a no lynch happen on principle.- Kelvin Smith
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To be quite honest, not off the top of my head. I never got to interact with him directly and I just kinda skimmed the action at the time. Might ISO him later, when I have the chance, but I'm generally opposed to lynching low-activity players Day 1. There are semi-legitimate reasons (as well as some less legitimate reasons) to do this as town.In post 1541, WhemeStar wrote:@Hikari what about grey? No read on him?- Kelvin Smith
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In post 1578, MMM wrote:
I agree -In post 1551, MortFeld wrote:This gamestate is awful.
which is why getting someone lynched already would be great.
I believe I've stated the situation with my exams already, it's making me much less motivated to post a lot especially when coupled with the entire transcend thing/other non-game related life problems.I don't know what the reason is but there is a large set {Tarkus, Ircher, GE, MM4} and you might throw me in there not counting the first few pages and maybe MMM, who are implicitly keeping the gamestate where it is by posting yet having very few game-related interactions.In post 1579, BigYoshiFan wrote:I feel you MMM, vote PP with me?Did literally anybody look at my most where I said that Gamma and Wheme are the only viable wagons right now? People have said who they are willing to vote for. If you want the day to end, vote for one of the people who can actually get lynched.
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If you acknowledged how shit the gamestate is right now, then why are you hoping on a vanity wagon yourself?In post 1583, MortFeld wrote:
Because it's either GE or a vanity wagon.In post 1581, BigYoshiFan wrote:Why don't you vote someone? @everyone not voting- Kelvin Smith
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Or they are because they are fine with bussing here for towncred.In post 1586, MortFeld wrote:The gamestate is shit because scum are okay with the prospective Lynch targets
Or they aren't okay with them and that's why we can't achieve a lynch.
Or they are inactive and they have no opinion on the current wagons.
Or this has nothing to do with scum and everything to do with the town not being able to get its shit together and caring too much about an almost inevitable Day 1 mislynch.
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Pretty much. Most towns mislynch, especially Day 1. I'm not gonna lose any sleep if it happens.In post 1589, MortFeld wrote:Oh apparently I'm supposed to not care about whether we lynch scum or town day 1 oops
If only one of the 3 is scum, then scum don't vote for the compromise that is scum. They can easily hide behind the other options and just say that they think the scum target is town or that they have stronger scumreads. But there should only 3 in a setup of this size, so it's not like they have absolute control over the vote. On top of that, there's plenty of motivation for scum to bus here. I can't speak for anybody else, but I have no problem bussing for towncred Day 1 (or any other day, for that matter). So to say that the leading wagons have virtually no chance of being scum strikes me as a bit narrow-minded.In post 1590, MortFeld wrote:Your strategy forces the lynch to be one of 2-3 targets. One of these is virtually guaranteed to be town. If the other 1-2 were scum, do you really think scum sits back here and tepidly votes the town option? Scum has no stake in the two "compromise" lynches (hint they're not compromises) so we are sitting here dicks in our hands until someone dies and we go "Darn why did we compromise!" You are letting scum HEAVILY influence who is pressured and who is not.
Of course if town hadn't spent the majority of this DP twiddling its thumbs too (myself included) we wouldn't be in this place but you're acting like this DP is irredeemable and it's not.
I'm not saying I want us to mislynch here; quite the opposite. I'm just saying it's just not that likely that we're going to catch scum right now, with our lack of information. And since it's not that likely, I'm not going to be heartbroken if it's a mislynch. You say that scum are happily sitting about and letting this happen? Prove it. Let the mislynch happen and then start analyzing who pushed those lynches, rather than the alternative. Because it's the people with strong feelings right now that are the most worrisome to me.
It's not like you have to worry about dying tonight, MortFeld. You and I are the obvious Doctor bait right now. Scum would be fools to target us. And a Doctor would be a fool to target anyone but us. And that includes TwoFace. He even said himself that he probably needs to die at some point. Yes, this is a blatant statement to both a Doctor and the Mafia. What are you gonna do about it?- Kelvin Smith
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But there's a difference between a number of votes and the amount of support for a lynch. As far as I'm aware (and please correct me if I'm wrong), you, Mort, and fitz are the only ones who have expressed any level of interest in lynching Ircher. And fitz has him low on the list.In post 1592, MarioManiac4 wrote:With Mort's vote, I believe that is on the same level as Gamma.- Kelvin Smith
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I'll go ahead and look at his ISO further, but I honestly don't find your current argument compelling. Just glancing at his ISO, I'm inclined to townread him pretty heavily right now, honestly.In post 1595, MarioManiac4 wrote:aaaaaah k i thought ircher wasn't on mort's list for some reason.
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To be fair, I haven't looked at Mort's case either. My utter disdain for this day's persistence, despite all my best efforts, has admittedly sapped my motivation and made me lazier in reading cases that have been made. But since people seem intent on dragging this day on, I guess I might as well put in a little more effort. Expect something out of me tomorrow.
Let the record show that I will be annoyed if and when we mislynch, now that I've resolved to try here. I'm not pointing fingers or suggesting that anybody is in the wrong for wanting to avoid a mislynch. I'm just telling you preemptively what my attitude is likely to be.- Kelvin Smith
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Disclaimer: Numbers were added to the quote for clarityIn post 1602, Gamma Emerald wrote:1. You and MM4 are the only people Im not willing to lynch because I read you as Town
2. Not lynching fitz or TF since they are PRs and there's no good reason to scumread them
3. Kinda reading MMM as town rn
4. Null town on BYF and Mort I guess
5. WhemeStar seems like newbtown imo
5. Tarkus and RayFrost need to post more
6. Ircher and PP are p much where I feel scum might be at rn. I know I said PP's play seemed towny earlier but the circumstances aren't quite the same as I thought.
1. You read Mario and I as town because...?
2. There'sgood reason to suspect either of them, just because they are claimed PRs?no
3. Again, for what reasons?
4. You guess?
5. A guy who has been playing on this site for 4 months is newbtown? It's the most common allegiance in the game, how long do you think it takes to pick it up?
6. Why are the circumstances not the same as you thought? And do you have any reasons to think Ircher is scum besides what Mort (who you apparently "guess" is null town) has said?
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You claim that they are your reads, but for what reason?
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If that's true, that's a pretty selfish mindset. Going into apathetic mode because you don't get to be a super cool PR is extremely anti-town and I feel like it's just a generally unethical attitude. Same for players who just check out because they are the opposite of the alignment that they like to play.In post 1608, Gamma Emerald wrote:I really am not engaged this game
Probably since I expected to be a fun role again. Last Xnadroj game I was an Ascetic Enabler so I had game info to get myself engaged with
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I can understand where you are coming from with that. But if you're trying to stay engaged, then please answer my questions. They weren't rhetorical and I'm not hardlocking you into a scum position. If you're town, show me that you are through your play. Explain yourself in a way that allows me to understand your thought process.In post 1612, Gamma Emerald wrote:I've been trying to stay engaged since I feel the game has already had too many replace outs- Kelvin Smith
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1. Honest in what way? And are you saying scum can't be honest?In post 1614, Gamma Emerald wrote:1. I don't think you and Mario are scum since I feel you've been the most honest players
2. No good reason to lynch the PRs means no cop reports or incriminating flips.
3. After thinking things over MMM seems to have good logic.
4. I don't feel BYF and Mort are scum but I don't really have as much confidence in those than the other townreads
5. I feel WhemeStar is just town who is a bit of a nutcase. I've selfhammered to progress a game once as Town.
6. In the game I checked of PP's he made a small case, here he was objecting to making a big case. As for Ircher, I felt they were scummy in the beginning, dropped the suspicion, but now I'm turning that stone again.
2. I'm not sure what you mean by this sentence. Could you restate it for clarity?
3. What about his logic seems good? A few examples, please.
4. Yes, but what about them makes you feel they are town? And what are they lacking that makes you less sure of them? And please don't just say honesty. I'm trying to follow your thought process here to see if it seems genuine or manufactured.
5. He didn't self-hammer though, only self-voted. I can see scum using that as a ploy to look like frustrated town. The slot worries me because it has constantly been playing up the frustration angle and it's hard to tell if that's serious or not through text. The fact that it has been consistent over players bothers me a little though.
6a. Why does that make PP scummy? When did he make the case? Can you provide a link?
6b. What about Ircher seemed scummy before? What made you drop it? Why are you back on him, other than because there is now a wagon on him?
If you are town, I'd advise against claiming VT before you're at L-1 in the future. Helps scum more than town. Honestly, this is another reason why I want a lynch from the current pool. We're getting too many claims and it's going to make it easier and easier for scum to try to snipe PRs at Night.- Kelvin Smith
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Yes, please do.In post 1617, Gamma Emerald wrote:Should I add explanations to the posts I quote by MMM that I feel are towny?- Kelvin Smith
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1. Yeah, I hear this reasoning about me a lot. My advise: don't use that as a reason to townread me. Town or scum, I generallylike to lay all my cards on the table whenever possible.In post 1616, Gamma Emerald wrote:1) sure scum can be honest but it feels like Town honesty, you seem to wear your thoughts on your sleeve
2) the times I've lynched claimed PRs have usually been for information affecting their claim.
Mini 1830: Watcher claimed he'd flip blue (PR) when a PR had just flipped green. Was Town. D2
Mini 1854: Scum fakeclaimed JK and was soft CCed by bodyguard, and got lynched. D1
Mini 1860: Mafia Strongman fakeclaimed bodyguard Day 1, I, as vig, shot the Doctor, incriminating the claimed BG. Lynched the Strongman D2.
3) I feel like his scumhunting is founded on real principles. Examples later.
4) They lack a clarity I feel with my other townreads. My thoughts on them feel muddy.
5) I feel it's Town that just wants to aid the game state by sacrificing himself. Whether he self hammered is irrelevant.
6) I'll get to those in a bit
2. Okay, I think I see what you mean now. So you're not saying they aren't scum, you're saying you want to wait until you can get info from their deaths?
3. I look forward to seeing them.
4. This could use some cleaning up in terms of thought process, but I think I get the gist of what you are saying.
5. I think there is some level of difference between a self-vote and a self-hammer. Nonetheless, I can at least understand the thought process here.
6. I look forward to this as well.
See, this was a really good post. More posts like these and you could be a very helpful player. I'm willing to give you a townread, contingent on continued quality posting that is unprompted by pressure.
UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: WhemeStar
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That's a reasonable stance to take on a Watcher, but a Double Voter is a little different. Not to say I condone lynching TwoFace, but other than an informative role investigating him, there's no way for something to come up based on his role. If he is continuously on bad wagons for reasons that seem to be scum-motivated though, you should definitely be open to lynching him.In post 1620, Gamma Emerald wrote:Addressing 2, I'm saying the only way I'm lynching them is if something comes up that suggests something is wrong.- Kelvin Smith
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You can't have a spoiler inside of a spoiler, which Yoshi's post had. You probably would've been best off spoilering each post one by one and also removing Yoshi's spoiler tag. Though if you aren't super familiar with BBCode, then it can be a pain.
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Not contributing right now, because things to do today. Just skimming and saw this"
What the hell are you talking about? Who do you think he replaced then? It's super easy to verify that he did, in fact, replace Grey.In post 1674, Ircher wrote:And, I'm pretty sure RayFrost didn't replace Grey, and I have yet to see anything from Frost that makes me lean town there.- Kelvin Smith
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Sure, that's a great policy, in theory. In practice, it means you mislynch people because they have a suboptimal playstyle.In post 1709, RayFrost wrote:I'm here, currently working on getting my post completely together. Finding posts I want to highlight and such, etc, etc.
I'm going to put it here that I absolutely abhor the overuse of meta andanyonewho attempts to ignore me by handwaving what I have to say and saying "but it's that person'smeta" will incur my wrath.
Someone having a meta of playing scummy is not an excuse to ignore scummy things they do. Do not positively reinforce bad play.
Mind you none of you have done that yet, but I want that out there now before I have to deal with "but I know this person and that's just what they do." I'm not having it.- Kelvin Smith
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I wouldn't be so sure of that...In post 1729, MortFeld wrote:Ray is town?- Kelvin Smith
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Actually, I want to thank you for derailing that. I'm actually getting some pretty interesting reads as a result. It's primarily in my gut, but I feel like I'm starting to get a better picture of this game as a result of it being dragged out.In post 1734, MortFeld wrote:Also I now see why Kelvin wants to consolidate so badly.
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@Mod: Has TwoFace been prodded? He hasn't been around for quite a while.
I think now is about the time to achieve a lynch.
For me, my lynch pool is Wheme, PP, or possibly Ray.
I know people are feeling pretty good about Ray right now, but I'm not. I don't think I'm feeling bad enough about him to condone a lynch today, but I want to keep an eye on him. No matter what, I don't think we should let the game fall into his pace.
Wheme is one I'm still really not sure on. There are bits that feel like they are scum-motivated, but I something in my gut says says town. I mostly just support the lynch so that we'll have fewer claims.
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True, yes. But the responsibility doesn't lie solely on the poor player. It's the responsibility of better players to draw out quality play from poor players. If they don't, then the good players just as likely to mislynch bad town as they are to lynch bad scum. I believe that putting the onus entirely on weaker players to "git gud" is short-sighted and anti-town.In post 1757, RayFrost wrote:
If you don't want to get lynched for seeming like mafia (aka playing badly), learn how to seem like town (aka play better). Harsh? Yes. True? Yes.In post 1748, Kelvin Smith wrote:Sure, that's a great policy, in theory. In practice, it means you mislynch people because they have a suboptimal playstyle.
I wasn't particularly planning on it, but I guess I might as well. You're giving me a bad vibe. The things you are saying aren't that different from what other people have said, but they feel much more calculated and predatory.In post 1757, RayFrost wrote:
Are you going to follow up on this or is this a one-off comment?In post 1750, Kelvin Smith wrote:
I wouldn't be so sure of that...In post 1729, MortFeld wrote:Ray is town?
Yeah, I think it felt like an opportunistic attack on a player that you perceive as an easy target.In post 1757, RayFrost wrote:Do you have anything to actually say about what I said RE: Gamma Emerald?
Nah, being assertive isn't the issue. It's that the content of your posts feels super sketchy. I mean, it's obviously just my own perspective, but my interaction with Gamma felt pretty genuine and I got a strong feeling of town-mindedness from him. You instead chose to pick on it as only being active when pressured. Admittedly, that was my read on him at first, but seeing his posts now, I just don't see it. My intuition tells me that he's town and you are predatory scum. But I'm grounded enough to know that my intuition can be wrong, so I'd rather that you were watched and everyone be put on their guard, rather than outright lynching you here.In post 1757, RayFrost wrote:P-edit: I see you saying you don't feel good about me and are worried about the game falling into my pace.
Is your distrust of me caused by the fact I'm being assertive or by the fact that my posting is actuallysuspiciousin some way? Question me if you have questions.
I've seen charismatic scum. I'vebeencharismatic scum. That's what you strike me as right now, so I think it would dangerous to let the town fall into your pace. And I had to say it because with you around, I'm much more worried about dying at night.- Kelvin Smith
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That's not what I said. Your argument isn't convincing to me and that's my whole point. If I thought it was a sound argument, regardless of my alignment, I'd be voting Gamma right now. I don't, so I'm not. And furthermore, I never said that charismatic is an adjective that has an alignment. I'm saying you read like charismatic scum to me, as opposed to charismatic town.In post 1770, RayFrost wrote:All this mutter from you and kelvin about "it's so suspicious how convincing rayfrost is" bothers me significantly. Because it's anonsenseargument. "Charismatic" is not an adjective that has an alignment.
Funny, because if I knew you were scum, I could quote your behavior here as the perfect example of "scum getting mad about 'getting caught for the wrong reason.'"In post 1770, RayFrost wrote:If I knew you guys were scum, I could quote your behavior here as the perfect example of "scum trying their best to discredit someone town without actually trying to push the case because they don't have anything to work with"
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For the record, I never said I want to do meta play. I may look it over a bit when I get the chance though.In post 1774, RayFrost wrote:Since you kids all want to do meta reads, I should point out that I have a slightly out of date wiki page about me that was at one point managed by someone who made an account named RayFrostWikiManager.
I will present to you the two best scum games I have ever played, by my reckoning. Both of them losses, by the way.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
I don't have any stellar town play to reference, in my opinion.
Note that I'm a far calmer and mature person than I was 6 years ago. And I also have not played a game of mafia in a long time because the last time I did I had the fun of having literally every single one of my reads get shot down by everyone in the game with the excuse of "it's their meta, so you're wrong." One might imagine how demotivating that is.
I was playing back in those days too and only recently started again. Don't worry, I know what it's like to be a loud, angry asshole (some will probably argue that I still am one).- Kelvin Smith
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What do you find bad about this post?In post 1793, MortFeld wrote:1790 is a bad post
I don't know if I'd say it's a misrep, but it's a gross oversimplification of my earlier stance and it ignores any of the recent stances that I've taken, so it's still not a great post.In post 1796, MortFeld wrote:
This is a misrep I'd sayIn post 1795, WhemeStar wrote: Kelvin - wants the day to end and doesn't care who gets lynched?
It's really not. A town flip is still better than two living townies, because it gives us data to work with. You've given us relatively little to work with and my expectations aren't high. Sorry, but I've literally seen you as conftown sit around and do nothing to help find the last scum. And while you're alive, you hinder our ability to utilize the Double Voter for better wagons. Mislynching you if you're town certainly isn't ideal, but it's not the worst thing that can happen or even a particularly bad thing.In post 1807, WhemeStar wrote:
That's badIn post 1804, MMM wrote:It would obviously be better if you're scum, but if hypothetically I had to decide between you or any other player knowing both are town I'd lynch you.
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I can't really answer that until it happens, since nothing happens in a vacuum. We have to consider the circumstances around the lynch, we have to consider who supported the lynch, we have to consider who opposed the lynch, and we have to consider the types of interactions you had. The point is, we'd have hard data. Dead, you're confirmed town or scum. Alive, you're a constant question mark.In post 1812, WhemeStar wrote:What data would my lynch give you if I flip scum. What data would it give you if I flip town?New main account for the Scummer Formerly Known as Hikari Link.- Kelvin Smith
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Even just quotes are still something to look at, if he flips town. It's good to know who town suspect and why. Even if their thinking is faulty, it might trigger something. And if he's scum, then maybe there is something to parse from it too. Either way, words from him are worth more to us than silence.In post 1838, MortFeld wrote:
he doesn't do that. like he might quote posts or something but he's not going to case people. do you think he's scum?In post 1837, Kelvin Smith wrote:Is there anything else you'd like to add or would you like to present a case for either of the two?
As for whether or not I think he's town, I could go either way. At times he feels like indifferent town, sometimes like flailing town, and other times like flailing scum. Especially in his recent posting, he seems to oscillate between the latter two for me. I just want to know for sure.New main account for the Scummer Formerly Known as Hikari Link.- Kelvin Smith
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Yes, that's something. Process of elimination is extremely important. And it's really not the only thing we learn. I've already explained some of the other things we can learn.In post 1856, WhemeStar wrote:My bad, you learn my role and that's it
Why are you suddenly so interested in surviving? You didn't care this much when you put yourself at L-1.New main account for the Scummer Formerly Known as Hikari Link.- Kelvin Smith
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Yes, it matters. I'm trying to ascertain if you genuinely didn't care before or if you were just faking it when you voted yourself to make us think you were frustrated so that we wouldn't lynch you. What about the game has changed it to make it more fun?In post 1858, WhemeStar wrote:This game is more enjoyable for me now I guess? Does it matter?
If I flip scum you don't learn any information on who is town/scum on my wagon
If I flip town you don't learn any information on who is town/scum on my wagon
You are lynching me to put me out of the game. Which is Bs
You say it's bullshit, but somebody always has to die in these games. That's the bullshit fact of Mafia. Right now, you happen to be one of the more expendable players, while arguably the scummiest player is unfortunately not expendable.
And I think it's incorrect to say that we can't learn who is scum or town on your wagon regardless of your flip. I think that there are actually a few good clues for us to look at, which I'd rather not discuss right now, as that might make certain people behave differently.New main account for the Scummer Formerly Known as Hikari Link.- Kelvin Smith
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Why are you so sure?In post 1869, WhemeStar wrote:I am voting scumNew main account for the Scummer Formerly Known as Hikari Link.- Kelvin Smith
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So you contend that the scum team is Ircher, PenguinPower, and MMM?In post 1873, WhemeStar wrote:YeahNew main account for the Scummer Formerly Known as Hikari Link.- Kelvin Smith
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Are you saying all compromise lynches are bad or that this particular compromise lynch is bad?In post 1881, WhemeStar wrote:
Do you expect me to know? It's day 1 I'm not calling out partners I'm calling out scum Reads and i lynch in the pool of scumreads. This "compromise lynch" is horribleIn post 1878, PenguinPower wrote:Who's the scum team?New main account for the Scummer Formerly Known as Hikari Link.- Kelvin Smith
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I'm busy/lazy right now. I feel like an Ircher lynch is still technically possible, so if you guys want to present a quick case for why, I might go for it. I really hate the idea of it right now though.
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Yeah, I thought some of you guys had, but I also want to see who is currently active to see if it's feasible to get the votes there in time.In post 1894, PenguinPower wrote:Yes. I've said so previously.New main account for the Scummer Formerly Known as Hikari Link.- Kelvin Smith
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Nope, I'm definitely not. That's why I said "I really hate the idea of it right now though." But a lot of people I either townread or think have the potential to be town seem to prefer him to Wheme.In post 1898, BigYoshiFan wrote:Suddenly okay with another claim?New main account for the Scummer Formerly Known as Hikari Link.- Kelvin Smith
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Then I' strongly suggest you hammer soon, because I'm liable to change my mind. If Mario and I were to move over to Ircher, we'd pretty much only get a lynch if you and Yoshi came over to him too.
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Sorry, but that's a lynch I can't get behind right now.In post 1907, MortFeld wrote:I'll Lynch geNew main account for the Scummer Formerly Known as Hikari Link.- Kelvin Smith
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I said I could get on Ircher and asked for the restatement of the case. But the votes just aren't there. Plus, I hate having more claims. Ditto on all of that for PP.In post 1909, MortFeld wrote:But you're only behind wheme lol
I would be, wouldn't I? Not something I particularly want to do, but something I will do if there's just no choice.In post 1910, RayFrost wrote:If you move over, you're coercing me into a lynch that I actively disagree with.
Do you actively disagree with lynching whemestar?
I'm guessing they will be replaced.In post 1912, RayFrost wrote:The only reason I haven't hammered yet is I am hoping to hear something from tarkus / twoface before this day ends. It's important to me.New main account for the Scummer Formerly Known as Hikari Link.- Kelvin Smith
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Also, I don't actively agree with lynching Wheme. I just want to look for alternatives. I'm getting really impatient because I've been asking for a lynch for 27 pages and we're still on the same wagon we were. I think we got some good stuff from dragging things out, but I just want it to end already and I'd be super grateful if somebody just hammered sooner, rather than later (which they probably won't).New main account for the Scummer Formerly Known as Hikari Link.- Kelvin Smith
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