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[PeregrineV]

welcome aboard, Pere

Thanks!!!
Glad to join my fellow Deviants!!

[PeregrineV]

Before reading 100 pages (cough unlikely cough), is there anything I need to know that's already been put out there?

[PeregrineV]

And is zakk scum?




Would like this answer before I go read him.

[PeregrineV]

And is zakk scum?




Would like this answer before I go read him.

good question, but we have no night results to clear or guilty him

Since you're voting him, what is your opinion based on?

[PeregrineV]

Why was RB replaced before BT6?

Guessing ThinkBig got back to Key before I did.

[PeregrineV]

ok so

I will read LUV
meanwhile hi PV <3

Please ask the mod to somehow give you the information of the first 22 pages of Candor, which rb had

Hey shos, good to see you again!! And confirmed town, even!

I did ask for the Candor serum, and rb's previous night actions, but not for the first 22 pages of Candor. Is there something in those pages that is super relevant?

[PeregrineV]

BIRTH FACTIONS	CHOSEN FACTIONS
DAUNTLESS Ramcius Transcend Keyser Söze Lil Uzi Vert	DAUNTLESS Ramcius Transcend Keyser Söze Lil Uzi Vert
ABNEGATION zakk Not_Mafia Ircher Mewtaph	ABNEGATION Creature Ircher Mewtaph
CANDOR Nero Cain Radiant Moonlight rb shos	CANDOR zakk alban shos
ERUDITE alban momo WhemeStar Creature	ERUDITE rb momo WhemeStar Nero Cain
AMITY Aristophanes Elena Fisher Srceenplay BTD6_maker	AMITY Radiant Moonlight Elena Fisher Srceenplay BTD6_maker

[PeregrineV]

I claim compulsive bus driver.

I targeted RM and Srceen N1 and Creature and Momo N2.

okay i totally missed this post. this makes so much more clear now.

there's absolutely NO reason to target screenplay unless you KNEW he'd be a target, and since after RM pushing through the D1 lynch they thought they could kill two birds with one stone by hoping everyone copping / rolecopping RM would get a "scum" or "neapolitan" result from screenplay, it makes perfect sense to try to set up RM as having bussed Aris D1 for massive town cred. This also makes sense as to why they didn't kill him N1 and waited until N2.

ALSO. i think the only reason he claimed this (thereby revealing the probability of a is because he knew if anyone else had targeted him for more info (which he may have thought was likely) that he didn't want to get caught fakeclaiming, because a claim is supposed to save you, not damn you... and also, in every good lie there is a bit of truth, etc. so yeah he probably just inadvertently straight up ADMITTED there's a mole in the faction

so yea in my mind there is basically GUARANTEED a mole inside of Dauntless now.

@everyone: read this post

I read this, but I'm missing the context.

[PeregrineV]

Remember that birth factions were chosen randomly, probably by random.org.

If you were scum, what would be your "optimal" play to keep your team the most informed?

[PeregrineV]

dauntless turned tracker results on screenplay performing a kill N1, so he was lynched d2 (scum)

How was that vote/discussion in the dauntless PT?

[PeregrineV]

Remember that birth factions were chosen randomly, probably by random.org.

If you were scum, what would be your "optimal" play to keep your team the most informed?

I guess some players would eventually leak info of the serums.

??? What?

[PeregrineV]

shos is conf-town via mod in the candor private topic, seen by Nero Cain, rb (and should be you too now), Radiant Moonlight, me, and alban (and also shos lol)

Like the mod said it, or the result of some action? I thought a group copped him or something.

[PeregrineV]

dauntless turned tracker results on screenplay performing a kill N1, so he was lynched d2 (scum)

How was that vote/discussion in the dauntless PT?

5 days before deadline i came with list of Ari, Srceen and shos, wasn't much discussion over that, after D1 ended, i voted Srceen, cause his actions at day end by pushing momo as counter to Ari and calling everyone idiots for not following him coupled with him coasting trough D1 pinged me for check over other possibilities, Trans probably was same opinion, cause voted right after me, later in the night LUV hammered without trying turn check elsewhere

Was the result that he did the kill or that he performed an action on Not_Mafia?

[PeregrineV]

shos is conf-town via mod in the candor private topic, seen by Nero Cain, rb (and should be you too now), Radiant Moonlight, me, and alban (and also shos lol)

Like the mod said it, or the result of some action? I thought a group copped him or something.

result of a cop.

You definitely should ask the mod to multiquote the first 22 pages.

@Mod- Any chance you would like to multiquote the first 22 pages of Candor?

[PeregrineV]

I claim compulsive bus driver.

I targeted RM and Srceen N1 and Creature and Momo N2.

okay i totally missed this post. this makes so much more clear now.

there's absolutely NO reason to target screenplay unless you KNEW he'd be a target, and since after RM pushing through the D1 lynch they thought they could kill two birds with one stone by hoping everyone copping / rolecopping RM would get a "scum" or "neapolitan" result from screenplay, it makes perfect sense to try to set up RM as having bussed Aris D1 for massive town cred. This also makes sense as to why they didn't kill him N1 and waited until N2.

ALSO. i think the only reason he claimed this (thereby revealing the probability of a is because he knew if anyone else had targeted him for more info (which he may have thought was likely) that he didn't want to get caught fakeclaiming, because a claim is supposed to save you, not damn you... and also, in every good lie there is a bit of truth, etc. so yeah he probably just inadvertently straight up ADMITTED there's a mole in the faction

so yea in my mind there is basically GUARANTEED a mole inside of Dauntless now.

@everyone: read this post

Can you please illustrate this one further time in bulletproof format.
It could potentially be the post that solves the game.

[This is my first game with a bus driver in it].

Yea sure.

So, first; Screenplay was an unlikely target for night actions (imo)

, whereas Radiant Moonlight should have been a frickin' LIGHTNING ROD for night actions after pushing a super fast scum lynch on Aristophanes (townies should have suspected that it was a bussing play for early town-leader cred, so he should have been investigated, tracked, protected, etc., and also, scum should have probably tried to kill him).

Yet, he not only got targeted by Dauntless (care to explain why that was, by the way?), he ALSO allegedly got targeted by the scum bus driver.

There's four possibilities here:

1. There's NOT scum in Dauntless, and Ircher told the TRUTH about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

This would be EXTREMELY weird; why would they choose to bus drive Screenplay and RM? Makes no sense whatsoever. There was no reason to target Screenplay for anything like this, unless you KNEW he needed to be switched with someone, which would require scum in Dauntless, to tip off Ircher. We can discard this outright, in favor of option 4.

2. There IS SCUM in Dauntless, and Ircher was LYING about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

This doesn't really make sense; why would he claim this? To save himself? He was going down anyway, wouldn't have helped. To try to throw shade on RM? We had already seen RM lead a lynch on Aristophanes, why would we believe him (especially after he flipped scum) if he was trying to make RM look bad? We can safely discard this scenario as well.

3. There's NOT scum in Dauntless, and Ircher was LYING about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

This could be the case. It wouldn't be too much a stretch. Scum often lie while trying not to get lynched, or before twilight. But it requires leaps of logic, such as that Ircher made up the fact that they bussed Screenplay (why would he do that? it doesn't serve any purpose, as we went over in option 2), and, of course, this option pales in comparison to the last option...

4. The OCCAM'S RAZOR option: There IS SCUM in Dauntless, and Ircher told the TRUTH about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

I think this is clearly the best option. It's the most obvious, the simplest, and it makes the most sense, especially when you think about the fact that situations change, plans change, and that we are all mafia players who must react to things. So here's how I believe it went down (creative license has been used liberally, lol):

- Whoever was scum in Dauntless found out that Screenplay was gonna be targeted.
- They were like "oh shit!" at first, then after discussing it a bit in the scum thread, they were like "wait wait wait, we all good m8, Ircher's a busdriver" and lol's abounded because they all thought they were gonna confuse the shit out of the town and send improper results about Screenplay to Dauntless.
- Then, Screenplay got lynched anyway, and they were like "SHIT MAN"... but "oh well... couldn't be avoided..." but then on the bright side, at least they still have a "mole" in the Dauntless faction, because (with conventional logic prevailing) why would any scum in the Dauntless faction allow Screenplay to be investigated? ... so, boom, town block in Dauntless, right? (or so we think).
- Shos turns results on Ircher saying he's scum. Ircher gets flash-wagoned. In the heat of the moment, he tries to save himself by doing an honest claim (in case shos wasn't being totally straightforward and it wasn't a COP result, just say, a tracker result or something, I guess) and says exactly what he did, in hopes of getting people to un-wagon a power role.

Note:

At this point, he doesn't realize he's basically blowing the cover of the Dauntless scum mole.
- Everybody's like "nahhhhh he's lying scum, lynch the bastard" and we write off what he says as scum flailing and lying and trying to confuse things.
- We ignore what he said for long enough that we forget about it... and never realize what it actually means... until now.
- zakk uncharacteristically eats his breakfast... and suddenly has super brain powers and realizes all this shit, and is super confident about it.

And now we're up to speed. I think.

[PeregrineV]

Not thinking zakk is scum at all.

Vote: Creature

[PeregrineV]

Each faction has a serum. Read up in your private topic

Yeah, but if the factional serum was used to catch screenplay, then it had to be voted on, and knowing that vote, I can't imagine scum would send Screen to do the kill.

But, I think you already discussed they planned to bus drive that result, but serum resolves first?

And Ram talked about how the vote went, but it doesn't look like much discussion was done about it.

[PeregrineV]

Not thinking zakk is scum at all.

Vote: Creature

Cool re:me, but why vote Creature? I have him as town (or at least, non-groupscum) due to ircher interactions. That'd be extremely weird between scumbuddies.

Also there's this:

Why I shouldn't be lynched:

I'm the only with a faction serum left that could contribute for the PoE.

If nothing else, we could make a deal with Creature to block whoever we say to block (for that is Abnegation's power, I know because was in there before N1), and count the kills.
Sure, scum could no-kill to try to frame someone, but that's good because a) Creature uses the block on who we say to use it on, and b) it could stop a scum kill from going through, either by them being blocked, or by a no-kill action to try to frame someone.

So, it's a net town positive to leave Creature alive, at the very least, for today. And that has nothing to do with my not-groupscum read of him, which you may or may not share.

Based only on actions/reactions since I came in. Haven't had a chance to look back at old scum postings/interactions.

[PeregrineV]

i was looking at factions and just realized - why ever scum would leave Erudite? Staying in faction with vig is very powerful, they could try sway shot at town, so Creature i put to town lean for now

There would have to be scum in it from the beginning to know that the power was to vig.

Otherwise they would have to get someone INTO Euridite to find out the power.

2689 is trying to look where scum started, and where would they go, and why.

[PeregrineV]

Monday post.

[PeregrineV]

Aronis replaces ThinkBig! Welcome!

Welcome Aronis!!

[PeregrineV]

Yikes! Yes, what is the Amity serum, had it been used, and who was the target?

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: aronis

poe

But why does BTD/Aronis-scum stay in Amity when Screenplay is already in there?

[PeregrineV]

So I read the end of D1, D2, and D3. I skipped the beginning of Day 1 and haven't read Day 4 yet (I'll probably try to get to that tomorrow?)

It's late and I have to get up early, but here's a quick readslist based off of what I've read so far:

Aronis

alban

momo

Nero Cain

Ramcius

WhemeStar

shos

Keyser Söze

Lil Uzi Vert

PeregrineV
Creature

zakk

@Nero and whoever else cares: If you have any questions feel free to ask. I'll definitely look more in depth into my

zakk

scumread tomorrow and then provide some of the reasons I feel like he's scum. I may not be around much until tomorrow night though, so it may take a while. And if I get the chance I may try to sum up my day 1 notes and give reasons for the townreads, depends on how much time I have, but so if there's a specific read you're interested in let me know and I'll prioritize that.

I want to hear it, because based on today he is very actively scumhunting and gamesolving.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: aronis

poe

But why does BTD/Aronis-scum stay in Amity when Screenplay is already in there?

@shos-

[PeregrineV]

@Uzi

- if you think it MIGHT be the case, why are you asking for ANY confirmation?

[PeregrineV]

I FUCKING SAID THAT A ZILLION TIMES

...anyway
Alban has also been the first vote on ari and the ine that got tons attention there. I think it counts. Still 100% will not lynch today.

Do you think Creature is town?

[PeregrineV]

Very unsure
I have only one argument for him town

Well, your reads are generally better than you know.

If you don't want Creature, I'll vote on Uzi.

But go look over Creature again and see what you think.

[PeregrineV]

Pv I don't want to Lynch creature

Why not?

[PeregrineV]

well. starting to ISO creature - first note - he is the top poster in thread? huhhhh??? forrealz?

hmmmmm.

This should mean he is providing the most information, reactions, thoughts, etc.

Do you find that to be the case?

[PeregrineV]

No, zakk is probably town who was being eaten alive by paranoia there.

Where would paranoia come from? The lynch record is perfect at this point, so this is probably the only time you could actually NOT be paranoid.

[PeregrineV]

Here's the thing:

Based on my knowledge of the set up, and my general knowledge of game balance, I think we are up against either a five person scum team, or four groupscum and a serial killer, given the flips we have seen.

In both of those cases, it makes sense to not lynch inside of Dauntless, if I have a shadow of doubt regarding my theory, which I do. But you seem to be willfully ignoring that.

So I'm asking you, what have you done that can be seen as town motivation? And don't say "scumhunting"

There is a lack of kills for there to be a SK.

[PeregrineV]

In my home-site, the town:scum ratio for a balanced game is normally 4:1.

Typically
9 players- 7 town, 2 scum
12/13 players, 7/8 town, 3 scum
16 players- 12 town, 4 scum
20 players- 15 town, 5 scum
24 players- 18 town, 6 scum

While this has changed somewhat on this site over the years, it's still a pretty basic rule to follow.

Which means 2 left. And not coincidentally, there are 5 factions.

[PeregrineV]

I think 5 factions + 5 scum makes flavor + balance sense. I have definitely said this before. Also I have no delusions that we are going to lynch 4/4 scum in 4 days That's just crazy talk. On the best of days.

And btw there's been 2 kills for each of at least 2 nights, and knowing what I know there IS DEFINITELY 100% GUARANTEED to be a serial killer unless someone is lying, and that gets resolved tomorrow because there's one real quick way to prove whether there is one or not but it takes one more phase, end it depends on things that I have discovered that only I and a few others can know or figure out, based on evidence either in their own role, or their own factional topic, and which I'm not going to be sharing to the public, for obvious reasons. There's a good reason that basically nobody of any skill or knowledge is pushing for my lynch today... it's because I'm almost guaranteed town. You should know this, knowing what you know, but you apparently don't, meaning you're either playing dumb or you really are dumb. In both cases I'm OK with a lynch on you.

And since I 99% believe there is an SK, and since it would be stupid to have a 20p game with only a 3-man groupscum team, it's not a stretch at all to make a safe lynch on the most survivalistic player in the game (you) and hope for an SK kill... Because that's how you've been playing all game. Like a serial killer. And getting rid of that kill is worth it, no matter how you want to slice it. And you should really, really, really know that I'm town right now (hint hint hint) but you apparently don't.

Erudite: 1shot vig (used on Mewtaph, I think)

Three kills by scum, one by group-vig, so your hypothetical SK has a total of 1 kill?

Probably a vig, IMO.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 4.21

[L-2] Nero Cain:

Lil Uzi Vert, zakk, momo, shos, Hikari Link,

[L-3] zakk:

WhemeStar, Nero Cain, Ramcius, Aronis,

[1] Lil Uzi Vert:

Creature,

[1] Creature:

PeregrineV,

[4] Not Voting:

Keyser Söze,

MOD NOTES:

Nero Cain is the leading wagon.

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch. Day Four will end in

(expired on 2017-05-10 00:05:00)

.

UNVOTE: Nero Cain

Yea yea yea I know. Weird right? I want more time to think on this. I really would love a perfect win.

Nero's posts in the last couple pages plus Ramcius being like "first Nero then zakk" is really making me think.

Please don't lynch anyone until at least tomorrow so I can read more. G2g right now (still vla but I've been trying to be here) but will be off tomorrow

so either talk to me about Zakk or show a willingness to vote elsewhere.

That's why I'm trying to reach a compromise. I'm willing to put my vote elsewhere. I was just trying to find out where you felt that elsewhere should be.

UNVOTE: Nero Cain
VOTE: Keyeser Söze

Unless you've got a better place to put it besides zakk. We need to hop to it though.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT
unofficial 4.22

[4][L-3] zakk:

WhemeStar, Nero Cain, Ramcius, Aronis,

[3][L-4] Nero Cain:

Lil Uzi Vert, momo, shos,

[1] Lil Uzi Vert:

Creature,

[1] Creature:

PeregrineV,

[1] Keyser Söze:

Hikari Link

[2] Not Voting:

Keyser Söze, zakk

MOD NOTES:

Nero Cain is the leading wagon.

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch. Day Four will end in

(expired on 2017-05-10 00:05:00)

.

[PeregrineV]

Based on recent postings, i don't think zakk is scum.

Less sure about Nero, Uzi, or Keyser. I will review these three today.

[PeregrineV]

I just realized that 3 of the last 4 deaths were Erudite. All townies. Any comments, PV?

Not yet. Will finish reading, then go back and look at stuff exactly like I said BEFORE Nero was lynched.

I will figure out how that happened, BUt will listen to other versions.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV still to sign in today and claim...


Creature, what was your faction serum? Dauntless were wondering if scum would take care of you last night... (you being the last member of Abnegation)


Btw I'm not Vanilla.

Keep waiting.

[PeregrineV]

Alright, some reading will happen on this today.

I've kind of skimmed and do not like either the VT claim or the Ascetic claim.

But, more as I read it.

[PeregrineV]

Character/role claim please.

Ok/Not happening until I have more information first.

Jeanine Matthews

[PeregrineV]

Jeanine Matthews

Pre-'David'/Ramcius flip, I would have been frothing at the mouth at this character claim.

I don't know the flavor. I wikied her and she was Euridite, and she is dead in the shows/books.

I think rb moved to Euridite because of the character, and because he was "super-intelligent".

[PeregrineV]

BIRTH FACTIONS	CHOSEN FACTIONS
DAUNTLESS Ramcius Transcend Keyser Söze Lil Uzi Vert	DAUNTLESS Ramcius Transcend Keyser Söze Lil Uzi Vert
ABNEGATION zakk/Mathblade Not_Mafia Ircher Mewtaph	ABNEGATION Creature Ircher Mewtaph
CANDOR Nero Cain Radiant Moonlight rb shos	CANDOR zakk/Mathblade alban/Hikari/Kelvin shos
ERUDITE alban/Hikari/Kelvin momo WhemeStar Creature	ERUDITE rb momo WhemeStar Nero Cain
AMITY Aristophanes Elena Fisher Srceenplay Gamma Emerald/BTD	AMITY Radiant Moonlight Elena Fisher Srceenplay Gamma Emerald/BTD

[PeregrineV]

Alright, some reading will happen on this today.

I've kind of skimmed and do not like either the VT claim or the Ascetic claim.

But, more as I read it.

Don't care if you like it.

Your flavor isn't likeable either. Doesn't make it not true.

My flavor is a name and a picture.

I'm talking the roles.

[PeregrineV]

Just capturing info for now-

Looking through Aristophanes for stuff, I found him discussing Radiant' ascetic claim.

Code: Select all

https://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=Ascetic&t=71300&sf=msgonly&ch=-1&start=25

I don't like that zakk never touches or mention it again until 2574, when he is trying to talk down Ramicus form voting him.

[PeregrineV]

Just capturing info for now-

Looking through Aristophanes for stuff, I found him discussing Radiant' ascetic claim.

Code: Select all

https://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=Ascetic&t=71300&sf=msgonly&ch=-1&start=25

I don't like that zakk never touches or mention it again until 2574, when he is trying to talk down Ramicus from voting him.

And again in 2584, like Radiant's claim was really real.

[PeregrineV]

Screenplay's 555 is trying to convince Keyser that someone was town. The tone is similar to how Screenplay talked to momo.

[PeregrineV]

As Momo continues to avoid direct confrontation can someone explain a town read?
Wheme don't talk about who Town should vig, if scum has a doc or protective they can defend against it.
My solid town reads

Creature
Keyser

RM
Wheme

Scum

Momo
Zakk
Nero

[PeregrineV]

Was the faction serums used before people moved?

[PeregrineV]

I'm still not sold on the SK in the setup thing, but looking through Elena's iso her only not-scum suspicion was zakk/Math. Elena was the night 2 kill, along with radiant.

[PeregrineV]

Oh look. PV keeps making up shit instead of answering the question asked to him.

Seriously. PV you are just searching ISOs now to try to find things that make me look bad rather than addressing the questions you're asked.

What is your question?

I'm looking for scum, definitely group, possibly solo.

I'm looking at dead players, and what they say about live players.

I'm looking at live players.

What did you find when you read the game with fresh eyes after replacing in?

[PeregrineV]

I'm still not sold on the SK in the setup thing, but looking through Elena's iso her only not-scum suspicion was zakk/Math. Elena was the night 2 kill, along with radiant.

There were 3 kills N4.
One is a claimed one shot vig.
There is still likely group scum that is one kill.

Where do you suppose the last one game from?

PV man...

So night1?

[PeregrineV]

Thanks for admitting I am not scum.

How did you get that?

[PeregrineV]

Posts 260/261 in the hood come before that. Seriously. Stop making shit up and tell us why you aren't claiming when everyone else has.

Why do you want me to claim?

If I tell you I have no new information to add from anything that occurred at night, what do you make of that?

@PV not liking the green coloring assumes that you're Town and you're my top pick for SK right now. Shos is fine that was a public cop result. Furthermore I don't like that you "need more information" and to read when yet you have read enough to see everyone has claimed but you. What exactly are you looking for?

And I am talking how "likable" whatever it is doesn't change facts.

I'm reading the three dead scum that were caught days 1,2, and 3.

I'm green because I'm town.

I'm looking for scum (hint hint, this is a mafia game)

"Not liking" means I cannot yet prove it is bullshit, but if it smells like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck.....

[PeregrineV]

I'm still not sold on the SK in the setup thing, but looking through Elena's iso her only not-scum suspicion was zakk/Math. Elena was the night 2 kill, along with radiant.

There were 3 kills N4.
One is a claimed one shot vig.
There is still likely group scum that is one kill.

Where do you suppose the last one game from?

PV man...

So night1?

Doc died. Likely successful doc is my thought. Or SK didn't shoot. Too many kills on other nights to not have an SK.

So who is scum?

[PeregrineV]

Thanks for admitting I am not scum.

How did you get that?

Only "non-scum" suspicion.

This means I am not scum but was suspected.

I actually REALLY liked zakk for town. If not for the Nero/wheme/momo deaths, you would most likely be one step below shos on the town scale.

I haven't even read any of your "conclusions" of the first 150 pages, and I'm already thinking you are scum of some kind.

[PeregrineV]

If PV hasn't claimed or says why he won't by the time I get back lynch him.

[PeregrineV]

so yeah, back to work.

[PeregrineV]

“A chasm reminds us that there is a fine line between bravery and idiocy.”

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.16

[6] momo:

Not_Mafia

, zakk/Math,

Srceenplay

, PenguinPower/Uzi,

WhemeStar, rb

,

[4] zakk/Math:

Mewtaph, Radiant Moonlight, Nero Cain, Transcend,

[1] ]Not_Mafia:

momo,

[1] Elena Fisher:

Ircher

,

[1] Radiant Moonlight:

BTD6_maker/Gamma

[1] Ramcius:

alban,

[1] Ircher:

Elena Fisher,

[1] rb:

Creature,

[1] Creature:

Ircher,

[1] alban/Kelvin:

Ramcius

,

NOT VOTING:

shos

, Keyser Söze,

Aristophanes

,

MOD NOTES:

momo is the leading wagon. rb is V/LA for the next 2 days. His V/LA will end in April 8. BTD6_maker is V/LA until April 14th. Radiant Moonlight is V/LA until monday.

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

.

“Learning how to think in the midst of fear is a lesson that everyone needs to learn.”

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.17

[6] zakk/Math:

Mewtaph, Radiant Moonlight, Nero Cain, Transcend, Elena Fisher

, Creature,

[5] momo:

Not_Mafia,

Srceenplay

, PenguinPower/Uzi,

WhemeStar, rb,

[2] Creature:

Ircher

, zakk/Math

[1] Not_Mafia:

momo,

[1] Elena Fisher:

Ircher,

[1] Radiant Moonlight:

BTD6_maker/Gamma,

[1] Ramcius:

alban/Kelvin

[1] alban/Kelvin:

Ramcius,

NOT VOTING:

shos

, Keyser Söze,

Aristophanes,

MOD NOTES:

zakk is the leading wagon. BTD6_maker is V/LA until April 14th. Radiant Moonlight is V/LA until monday.

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

.

“If Eric thinks I did something right, I must have done it wrong.”

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.18

[5] PengunPower/Uzi:

Ircher,

WhemeStar

,

Aristophanes

,

Transcend

, Creature,

[4] zakk/Math:

Mewtaph, Radiant Moonlight, Nero Cain, Elena Fisher,

[4] momo:

Not_Mafia,

Srceenplay

, PenguinPower/Uzi,

rb

,

[1] Creature:

zakk/Math

[1] Not_Mafia:

momo,

[1] Ircher:

shos,

[1] Radiant Moonlight:

BTD6_maker/Gamma,

[1] Ramcius:

alban/Kelvin

[1] alban:

Ramcius,

NOT VOTING:

Keyser Söze,

MOD NOTES:

PenguinPower is the leading wagon. BTD6_maker is V/LA until April 14th. Radiant Moonlight is V/LA until monday. zakk is V/LA until Tuesday? Please also note that I determine your activity based on the latest post you made either on the thread or in a PT.

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

.

“What did you do, memorize a map of the city for fun?” says Christina.
“Yes,” says Will, looking puzzled. “Didn’t you?”

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.19

[5] momo:

Not_Mafia

,

Srceenplay

, PenguinPower/Uzi,

rb

, zakk/Math

[4] PenguinPower/Uzi:

Ircher

,

WhemeStar,

Aristophanes

, Creature,

[4] zakk/Math:

Mewtaph, Radiant Moonlight, Nero Cain, Elena Fisher,

[2] Ircher:

shos, Transcend,

[0] Creature:

[1] Not_Mafia:

momo,

[1] Radiant Moonlight:

BTD6_maker/Gamma

[1] Ramcius:

alban/Kelvin

[1] alban/Kelvin:

Ramcius,

NOT VOTING:

Keyser Söze,

MOD NOTES:

momo is the leading wagon. BTD6_maker is V/LA until April 14th. Radiant Moonlight is V/LA until monday. zakk is V/LA until Tuesday? PenguinPower V/LA this weekend. Please also note that I determine your activity based on the latest post you made either on the thread or in a PT.

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

.

“Two things you should know about me; The first is that I am deeply suspicious of people in general. It is my nature to expect the worst of them. And the second is that I am unexpectedly good with computers.”

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.20

[5] momo:

Not_Mafia,

Srceenplay

, PenguinPower/Uzi,

rb

, zakk/Math,

[4] PenguinPower/Uzi:

Ircher

,

WhemeStar,

Aristophanes

, Creature,

[4] zakk/Math:

Mewtaph, Radiant Moonlight, Nero Cain, Elena Fisher,

[2] Ircher:

shos, Transcend,

[0] Creature:

[1] rb:

momo,

[1] Radiant Moonlight:

BTD6_maker/Gamma,

[1] Ramcius:

alban/Kelvin

[1] alban/Kelvin:

Ramcius,

NOT VOTING:

Keyser Söze,

MOD NOTES:

momo is the leading wagon. BTD6_maker is V/LA until April 14th. Radiant Moonlight is V/LA until monday. zakk is V/LA until Tuesday? PenguinPower V/LA this weekend.

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

.

“He told me once to be brave, and though I have stood still while knives spun toward my face and jumped off a roof, I never thought I would need bravery in the small moments of my life. I do.”

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.21

[5] momo:

Not_Mafia

,

Srceenplay

, Lil Uzi Vert,

rb,

zakk/Math

[4] Lil Uzi Vert:

Ircher

,

WhemeStar

,

Aristophanes

, Creature,

[4] zakk/Math:

Mewtaph, Radiant Moonlight, Nero Cain, Elena Fisher,

[2] Ircher:

shos, Transcend,

[0] Creature:

[2] rb:

momo, Ramcius

,

[1] Radiant Moonlight:

BTD6_maker/Gamma

[1] Ramcius:

alban/Kelvin

NOT VOTING:

Keyser Söze,

MOD NOTES:

momo is the leading wagon. BTD6_maker is V/LA until April 14th. Radiant Moonlight is V/LA until monday. zakk is V/LA until Tuesday? Keyser Soze V/LA until April 14th.

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.24

[6] zakk/Math:

Mewtaph, Elena Fisher, rb,

Creature,

Ircher,

Nero Cain,

[4] momo:

Not_Mafia

,

Srceenplay

, Lil Uzi Vert,

shos,

[2] Lil Uzi Vert:

WhemeStar

,

Aristophanes,

[2] rb:

momo, Ramcius,

[1] Elena Fisher:

Transcend,

[1] Nero Cain:

zakk/Math,

[1] Radiant Moonlight:

BTD6_maker/Gamma,

[1] Ramcius:

alban/Kelvin

[1] BDT6_maker/Gamma:

Radiant Moonlight,

NOT VOTING:

Keyser Söze,

MOD NOTES:

zakk is the leading wagon. momo and alban are being prodded. As I said in the rules, 3 days of inactivity is enough for me to replace you, so if your activity hits the 3rd day, you're automatically getting replaced.

V/LA:

BTD6_maker is V/LA until April 14th. Keyser Soze V/LA until April 14th.

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

.

[PeregrineV]

1518

VOTE COUNT 1.25

zakk/Math

(1)

WhemeStar

,

alban/Kelvin (3)

rb

,

Aristophanes

, BTD6_maker/Gamma ,

momo

(8)

Srceenplay

, Lil Uzi Vert ,

shos

, zakk/Math ,

Mewtaph , Transcend , Radiant Moonlight , Not_Mafia

,

rb (2

)momo , Ramcius ,

shos (1)

Nero Cain ,

Transcend

(1)Elena Fisher ,

Aristophanes

(2)alban/Kelvin , Creature ,
Not Voting (2)Keyser Soze ,

Ircher

BACKUP MOD NOTES: I tallied votes starting at key's last VC. Any possible errors in that VC would not have been corrected. Also, I do not have editing permission, so any errors in any VC I post would need to be corrected in my next post. Please PM me if in fact I have made a VC error.

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

[PeregrineV]

I'm still not sold on the SK in the setup thing, but looking through Elena's iso her only not-scum suspicion was zakk/Math. Elena was the night 2 kill, along with radiant.

There were 3 kills N4.
One is a claimed one shot vig.
There is still likely group scum that is one kill.

Where do you suppose the last one game from?

PV man...

So night1?

Doc died. Likely successful doc is my thought. Or SK didn't shoot. Too many kills on other nights to not have an SK.

So who is scum?

You (SK) and LUV (group scum)

Still looking, but currently have you as the SK, Kelvin, Keyser, Uzi as prob-town, leaving Gamma or Creature as last mafia.

But, still investigating.

[PeregrineV]

@Peregrine: We want a claim from you because a claim begins to clear up the entire picture of what's going on.

If I tell you I have no new information to add from anything that occurred at night, what do you make of that?

I was an SK but someone converted me to town.

Creature, why have you not been talking about this more? Why has nobody else been talking about this more?[/quote]
You know he's pulling your leg, right?

[PeregrineV]

EBWOP:

@Peregrine: We want a claim from you because a claim begins to clear up the entire picture of what's going on.

If I tell you I have no new information to add from anything that occurred at night, what do you make of that?

I was an SK but someone converted me to town.

Creature, why have you not been talking about this more? Why has nobody else been talking about this more?

You know he's pulling your leg, right?

[PeregrineV]

I have to go here in a bit, but how I concluded what I concluded:

alban/Kelvin leads the lynch day1 on Aristphanes, making him most likely town.

Uzi was almost the day1 lynch, as evidenced by 889, 900, 929 where he had 2 scum on his wagon at almost all times.

Keyser was from previous ISO hunts in how Ircher and Screenplay talked to Keyser. So, kind of weakest townread.

zakk/Math has tons of wagons of all town and mostly town. by the time Ircher jumps on, momo momentum is picking back up (1.24 to 1.25).

The fact that so many dead town scumread that slots says way more than my own opinion.

Gamma is no conclusion from day1, but PoE is a bitch.

Creature could easily be scum based on his wagoning, but not conclusive enough yet.

Anyways, still investigating, so please discuss.

[PeregrineV]

Why are you so sure of that?

Also, knowing role, regardless of new info, let's us analyze the setup a little bit for balance and all-around truthfulness.

Because if it were true, he would then proceed to tell us who he killed and why, who he thinks is scum, and would try to win with the town.

[PeregrineV]

lol I like when I see colored VCAs that won't be used at all.

they are telling me a lot.

[PeregrineV]

Are divergents supposed to claim?

No reason. I think only keyser and I are divergent, and basically it helps keeping us alive. no reason to state how

Indeed.

Check out my stuff and talk to me.

[PeregrineV]

Wait, someone claimed vig- who was that again?

[PeregrineV]

I'm still not sold on the SK in the setup thing, but looking through Elena's iso her only not-scum suspicion was zakk/Math. Elena was the night 2 kill, along with radiant.

there were 3 kills last night, including a claimed vig shot. no sk? still?

also, please claim, it is massclaim time and you're the last one. Do that now.

It will result in my NK.

At least let me finish getting it out there so you'll have something to ignore tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

Nm, it was Kelvin.

[PeregrineV]

Uzi is on all the wrong wagons

But too much sticky scum on him wagon on the 1.16-1.20 VCs.

[PeregrineV]

I'm still not sold on the SK in the setup thing, but looking through Elena's iso her only not-scum suspicion was zakk/Math. Elena was the night 2 kill, along with radiant.

there were 3 kills last night, including a claimed vig shot. no sk? still?

also, please claim, it is massclaim time and you're the last one. Do that now.

It will result in my NK.

At least let me finish getting it out there so you'll have something to ignore tomorrow.

Well, considering that shos is confirmed town and I'm semi-confirmed town, then you might not get NKed. And if you were, it might actually help the town confirm your story.

I'm the One-Shot Vig.

Power Role.

I have no new night information.

[PeregrineV]

Are divergents supposed to claim?

No reason. I think only keyser and I are divergent, and basically it helps keeping us alive. no reason to state how

Indeed.

Check out my stuff and talk to me.

???

I have to go here in a bit, but how I concluded what I concluded:

alban/Kelvin leads the lynch day1 on Aristphanes, making him most likely town.

Uzi was almost the day1 lynch, as evidenced by 889, 900, 929 where he had 2 scum on his wagon at almost all times.

Keyser was from previous ISO hunts in how Ircher and Screenplay talked to Keyser. So, kind of weakest townread.

zakk/Math has tons of wagons of all town and mostly town. by the time Ircher jumps on, momo momentum is picking back up (1.24 to 1.25).

The fact that so many dead town scumread that slots says way more than my own opinion.

Gamma is no conclusion from day1, but PoE is a bitch.

Creature could easily be scum based on his wagoning, but not conclusive enough yet.

Anyways, still investigating, so please discuss.

Conclusions from recent reads and VCAs today.

[PeregrineV]

Getting this from the Candor for ease for everyone, redacting information that scum does not need to know:

Name	Role
Gamma Emerald	VT
Kelvin	1-shot vig
Mathblade	Ascetic
Creature	VT
Little Uzi Vert	VT
PeregrineV	???
shos	<<<REDACTED>>>+divergent
Keyser	<<<REDACTED>>>+divergent

I'll claim divergent also.

[PeregrineV]

daabcaeramab

[PeregrineV]

I'll stress this - the LUV wagon D1 never got past L-6, lol.

Yes, but composition, composition, composition

[5] PengunPower:

Ircher

,

WhemeStar

,

Aristophanes

,

Transcend

, Creature,

[PeregrineV]

It aggravates me that instead of scumhunting, there is a general consensus that I reveal my full role with a Serial Killer and a Mafia member still alive and in the game.

Please confirm that you (players I have identified as probably not mafia) want me to fully and completely reveal everything.

[PeregrineV]

Does being divergent have to do anything with not being mafia/SK?

I replace in, and it was part of the role PM I received.

I don't think any of the flips have included the divergent information, but I haven't double checked.

[PeregrineV]

It aggravates me that instead of scumhunting, there is a general consensus that I reveal my full role with a Serial Killer and a Mafia member still alive and in the game.

Please confirm that you (players I have identified as probably not mafia) want me to fully and completely reveal everything.

At this stage we are working on PoE. We want the list of people we're willing to lynch to go from 5 down to 2 or 3.

Scum want to hide in the lurkers/uncleared/nullish reads - so I want to have complete reads of everyone by the end of D5. Weirdly, they've kept the town PR's/town-confirmed player alive...?

Because the town PRs, who do not claim, do the duty of keeping the confirmed town alive.
In the theoretical model.

Can you find SK/mafia tonight or tomorrow?
If not, you might as well take yourself out of the lynch pool (and join Shos, Hikari Link and me in the not-going-to-lynch list for D5).

I think we have a good start.
Taking myself out of the lynch pool and ensuring my own NK seems borderline stupid. That's why I want consensus.

MathBlade is now begging for your death so something is being lost in translation if you're both town.

I haven't picked up Math trying to solve the game at all, so am pretty sure she is not town.

[PeregrineV]

Does being divergent have to do anything with not being mafia/SK?

I replace in, and it was part of the role PM I received.

I don't think any of the flips have included the divergent information, but I haven't double checked.

You are aligned with the Allegiant, correct?

Without copy and pasting, please paraphrase how 'divergent' is part of your role pm.

I discovered I am not part of a single faction, I am divergent.

Or something, with more words. Probably a quote.

[PeregrineV]

So if we go by Divergent claims, that would possibly narrow the game down to:

Creature
Gamma
Math

So which of those are scum and why, in your opinion?

[PeregrineV]

Does being divergent have to do anything with not being mafia/SK?

I replace in, and it was part of the role PM I received.

I don't think any of the flips have included the divergent information, but I haven't double checked.

You are aligned with the Allegiant, correct?

Without copy and pasting, please paraphrase how 'divergent' is part of your role pm.

I discovered I am not part of a single faction, I am divergent.

Or something, with more words. Probably a quote.

This is what im talking about.

PV, please claim without explaining eveyrone what a divergent bonus is

So, claim, but don't FULL claim?

[PeregrineV]

Why would the mod need to PM that you're Divergent? Did you receive a PM, PV?

I replaced in, so mine came all together.

[PeregrineV]

This is what im talking about.

PV, please claim without explaining eveyrone what a

divergent bonus

is

@PereV


Yes, if you can confirm/clarify with shos that this 'divergent' status is town-alignment indicative/a pro-town feature in finding scum, share it with us NOW.


Right now, all I can see is a dead WhemeStar, whose Divergent bonus wasn't valid

I have no idea if it's town indicative. I see no scum flips with it, and I see no town flips with it.

I can confirm at least one town has it- me.

[PeregrineV]

oh my god.

@PeregrineV, does the mention of 'divergent' in your role pm look like flavor content...

OR does it look game-related/role bonus mechanical etc...


Basically I want to see some consistency in all this secret role pm shit.

It's got both. Tells me I am, and tells me what is does.

[PeregrineV]

I am just gonna wait on PV and shos to clarify.

Notice how PV still doesn't claim *sigh*

If we are going to win this we need to clarify things. All cards out on the table now.

Otherwise if we get to three Town SK scum LyLO we will be running around with our head cut off.

I'm just checking, because now I've been asked to NOT fullclaim.

So, the current cards on the table, go for what you think and why.

[PeregrineV]

Divergence does not make you conftown. It makes you stronger in a fashion.

PV, full claim.

Sure thing.

Jeanine Mathews, Town Rolestopper
Started in Candor, have rb's posts from that PT, but nothing else.
rb picked Erudite

night1 (rb)- Radiant Moonlight
night2 (rb)- shos
night3 (rb)- shos
night4 (me)- shos

I am also Divergent. That makes me immune to serum from 2 factions. Those factions change nightly.

daabcaeramab

night2- Dauntless & Abnegation
night3- Candor & Erudite
night4- Amity & Abnegation

There you go. Enjoy!

[PeregrineV]

as it is now, it's 6v1v1
everyone is scumhunting, whether the scum is mafia or SK.

LUV is the SK, imo, because he constantly and repeatedly tried to make everyone think there is no SK and we're looking for one scumteam.

Uzi could be the SK, but once again, just because of his day1 wagon, I don't think he is teamscum.

[PeregrineV]

PV can be immune to 2 serums.
2 serums are left.
I'm willing to lynch PV just because of that at this point tbh, because if he is scum he can't be prevented from killing

I am confused.

How does PV claiming rolestopper be the reason shos is alive? Wouldn't we have seen less KPN? This seems rather convenient.

--Math

These don't surprise me.

[PeregrineV]

And pagetop!

[PeregrineV]

When was the inno on shos outed btw?

Day two open.

@PV - You're saying that scum wouldn't target shos ever.
Kelvin and I have known shos confirmed town for many straight days.
There have been two KPN a night consistently.
Scum and the SK are avoiding shos and I want to know why.

??? - I never said scum wouldn't target shos. As a matter of fact, I agreed with rb and roelstopped shos last night. That indicates that yes, I do think they might target him.

OK.

Except night1. Considering he was night2 kill, wouldn't be surprised if rb stopped a night1 kill of Radiant.

Ask shos. I would assume they can avoid any protections on him and just endgame him.

[PeregrineV]

PV can be immune to 2 serums.
2 serums are left.
I'm willing to lynch PV just because of that at this point tbh, because if he is scum he can't be prevented from killing

Are you talking about the ascetic claim? Or did you react the same way to the ascetic claim?

Because otherwise what you are saying makes no sense.

[PeregrineV]

PV can be immune to 2 serums.
2 serums are left.
I'm willing to lynch PV just because of that at this point tbh, because if he is scum he can't be prevented from killing

Are you talking about the ascetic claim? Or did you react the same way to the ascetic claim?

Because otherwise what you are saying makes no sense.

Serums bypass player abilities. This goes for ascetic right?

No clue. zakk and others were talking about this, something about busdriving.

[PeregrineV]

I guess scum knew this already.

Serum abilities bypass roles.

[PeregrineV]

Gonna say that regardless of what I flip, I think an SK is likely, and I wouldn't be surprised if Keyser is the SK considering how little he has done this game compared to usual.

Did scum find SK?

[PeregrineV]

Gonna say that regardless of what I flip, I think an SK is likely, and I wouldn't be surprised if Keyser is the SK considering how little he has done this game compared to usual.

Did scum find SK?

Ircher is probably wrong, but that even confirms it further than keyser is not groupscum

No, I don't have him as groupscum.

[PeregrineV]

I see things have gotten quite interesting while I was gone. We probably need to start working a game plan now.

Uhm...My game plan is lynch all the scums.

What sort of plan did you have in mind?

That's not a game plan, that's just saying what literally has to happen for town to win.

We have to start discussing things. In particular, how we can use Peregrine's current claim to our advantage.

@Peregrine:So just to be clear, you maintain that Night 1 provided no protection from serums for Divergent, right? I know we've all been considering shos confirmed town (and I think he is), but I just want to make sure there isn't a scenario where we've fucked up.

I replaced in for rb. I was given the night immunities for n2 and 3 and 4. I thought everyone picked factions and divergents were given at the end of night1, but that's just from what I've gathered.

The Rolestopper reveal makes a full SK much more possible. Either the Rolestopper, Doc, or a cross shot could explain why there was only one Death Night 1. The other time, I feel like there's a chance that either scum or the SK tried to kill shos Night 2 or 3 (can't remember which) and failed. Realizing that shos was protected somehow, they'd probably stop trying to kill him until the other protective role flipped.

I think we have to assume Peregrine will die tonight. But if he were to decide between protecting either me or shos (preferably through random means, so that it's harder for scum to call his shot), then scum/SK would either have to kill non-confirmed town or risk their kill failing.

As for today, I guess we could go with Gamma, LUV, or Creature. But perhaps we should discuss MathBlde more too. Looking at Ascetic on the wiki, it seems like an Ascetic VT is generally more of a hindrance for town than a help. Granted, with how stacked the setup seems to be in our favor, that could be why. How sure are we that MathBlade isn't scum/SK though? Killing me would've put suspicion on his slot from shos.

Mathblade could be SK, but just looking at votes from day1, more likely to be last groupscum.

[PeregrineV]

So is there anyone who thinks LUV is not an SK?

I'm just not sure. He has as much chance as the other three, at least.

[PeregrineV]

I would like to look over more of the vote counts before ending the day.

Tomorrow afternoon would be fine, since I'm usually out of pocket on weekends.

[PeregrineV]

if LUV flips SK, then a kill (probably PV dies) will make gamma conftown. otherwise, scum cannot make a kill. we will then be 6v1, with one conftown at least.
if LUV somehow flips town, that means both SK and scum are going to look for each other, or PV. neither will kill me, obv; so we can expect a PV double kill, yielding 4v1v1 with 1 conftown, or a PV death + another death. if that other one is scum of any kind, we get 4v1 which is still quite good, with me alive and conftown. if that one is town, we'll have 3v1v1, which we will debate on later. We can either scumhunt as best as we can and then nolynch, hoping for crosskills, or we can try to lynch and treat this as lylo. nolynch is mathematically preferable, I think. But anyway, we WILL investigate further to

help

them crosskill and they

want

to crosskill to avoid being killed at night, clearly.

By then I, who will surely stay alive, will have some more investigative results. Then I will claim which kind of investigations I can do, and all of the results of previous nights.

I don't think this is a thing (Assume luv Town)
I think if the SK and scum know each other they would avoid cross killing here. Cross killing would be disastrous here.

I think a PV double kill is unlikely. More than likely scum will shoot PV or be blocked or claim scum was blocked. A smart SK doesn't kill who scum clearly want to kill. Not only would SK have to not cross shoot they also have to avoid hitting the same target as the scum. I think the SK kills me or Kelvin. Me because I am obvTown to the conf town and that is one more lynch that won't happen and Kelvin because he is in the masonry and by claim.

Scum and SK can't afford a cross kill as I said earlier in the hood. At the end of the day right now there is one conf town by mod shos. Two conf towns my claim Kelvin and Peregrine V.

So a smart SK doesn't shoot who scum shoots.

Looking at 4v1v1 or 3v1v1 tomorrow if LUV is Town.


If LUV flips some kind of killing scum then by PoE we should just be able to do Gamma/Creature then the other and GG. This case honestly is pretty much GG we win at this point.

@Creature Yes. If anything if LUV flips Town you use your block even more.

Why does this sound like you, the mafia, are signaling your kill to the SK, and trying to coordinate so you DON'T double kill?

[PeregrineV]

PV is confirmed to have saved shos which as scum would be gambity and risky as fuck. PV is neither. So PV is town.

Which night did I save shos?

[PeregrineV]

Don't be absurd.

I am just merely relaying the game as I see it. I plan out every fucking game I am in to end game. You're so tunnel visioned right now. I seriously said almost the exact same thing in the hood with shos. Oh no! Shos and Kelvin must be the scum and SK and I must be coaching them!

*rolls eyes*

That's not what I said. And you should have kept in in the hood.

Your post reads like, "scum should kill me, and SK should kill Kelvin."

[PeregrineV]

PV is confirmed to have saved shos which as scum would be gambity and risky as fuck. PV is neither. So PV is town.

Which night did I save shos?

Night 3 because one too few kills assuming Erudite vig.
If they're lying about Erudite vig obvs no longer confirmed but that requires an entire hood to lie.

There is only me in there, and they did shoot Mewtaph.

So you don't think there was a double kill on Transcend or Mewtaph?

[PeregrineV]

Gonna say that regardless of what I flip, I think an SK is likely, and I wouldn't be surprised if Keyser is the SK considering how little he has done this game compared to usual.

I thought I posted this before. Is there no comment on this?

[PeregrineV]

At height of day1 wagon, Creature wants to pull off of Nero and not lynch zakk and instead lynch Screenplay?

Moving him towards the town column.

[PeregrineV]

Gonna say that regardless of what I flip, I think an SK is likely, and I wouldn't be surprised if Keyser is the SK considering how little he has done this game compared to usual.

I thought I posted this before. Is there no comment on this?

This is post-guilty WIFOM posting.

Sheeping flipped mafia-scum would be tactically unwise.

It does not not clear me of being mafia/SK nor should it condemn me being either.

Was a guilty gotten on Ircher? I thought he was due to diligent town scumhunting.

And Wifom is where he calls a bunch of town scum, like here - 2291, and here 2292

This post specifically says "regardless of what I flip (scum), I think an SK is likely, and I think it's Keyser."

[PeregrineV]

Lynching a player who Ircher says is a SK would be tactically unwise.
Lynching a player who Ircher says is mafia would be tactically unwise.
Ircher was finished and his posting was desperate/flailing scum/theatrical [and I'm sure he knew I was obv-town due to meta] he wanted to go out with fireworks and a parade but it got all urinated on by a solid lynch, to his dismay (he ended with defeatist poetry).

He made poems out of 4 players names.

Did you read those?

[PeregrineV]

I mean, Key is all like "oh hey guys, set up spec: there's 4 mafia and an sk." Why would..anyone even think there was an SK in this setup until the second unexplained kill? Why is that not suspicious to you?

[Set-up spec: there could be up to 5 scum in this set-up. Unless it's 4 groupscum + 1 Serial Killer.]

Also Creature is already a "fake"claimed SK turned town.

Yeah, this keeps happening when I read.

[PeregrineV]

Yes the poems were extensions of his WIFOM-fuelled misdirection. If he'd pushed those lynches prior to his inevitable death they would have admittedly carried more weight.

Actually, all of those were WIFOM, so reading them would be pointless.
Saying "regardless of what I flip" seems like he was letting known as much scum info he could without compromising his team.

FTR: Nero Cain (town) was scum-reading me hard for being the SK because I had (correctly) guessed the setup as early as D1. Zakk then hard defended me, saying that my setup spec was rational. Nero joked that Zakk was the real SK who knew that Nero was wrong about me. Ircher then came in with Keyser = SK (after he was hammered), obviously trying to feed Nero's misguided suspicion.

I think that scum could be of two minds about keeping youSK alive. As the last scum, zakk would want to keep you around to advanced his win condition, because the SK provides another kill each night.

I just glanced through your iso and the vote counts, you seem to not really have placed any votes this game.

You are also sans claim, despite insisting upon mine, even though I was protective and now I die.

And you also claim confirmable, yet have nothing confirmable for the first 4 nights.

Do you see why I have a problem with any of this?

[PeregrineV]

Gonna say that regardless of what I flip, I think an SK is likely, and I wouldn't be surprised if Keyser is the SK considering how little he has done this game compared to usual.

I thought I posted this before. Is there no comment on this?

This is post-guilty WIFOM posting.

Sheeping flipped mafia-scum would be tactically unwise.

It does not not clear me of being mafia/SK nor should it condemn me being either.

Was a guilty gotten on Ircher? I thought he was due to diligent town scumhunting.

And Wifom is where he calls a bunch of town scum, like here - 2291, and here 2292

This post specifically says "regardless of what I flip (scum), I think an SK is likely, and I think it's Keyser."

RTFT PV.

Keyser could be SK but Gamma or Creature is much more likely.

Because..........................................................

I quoted the guilty for you.

Thank you.

[PeregrineV]

lol at being alive.

I covered shos last night.

[PeregrineV]

There is no reason to doubt that Gamma was roleblocked, therefore Gamma is confirmed innocent.

Mathblade is investigation immune, therefore makes most sense as the serial killer. The response to the kill in thread and hood supports this.

Talk about the hood from your POV.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV, please explain why you did not use your action on Creature last night?

Seriously? Creature the claimed VT who could have been the SK?

It was going to be either you or shos, and I went with shos.

[PeregrineV]

I thought the Creature kill was unusual... when I did not know that Creature had a roleblock ability.

I do not see how any member of the town could condone the rolestop to be on anyone but Creature with that knowledge. These night actions are horribly suboptimal.

He had a one-shot, and unless he himself was roleblocked then his roleblock would go through (apparently serum beats abilities).

It doesn't make sense to me to protect a ???? when there are 2 confirmed town hanging about.

[PeregrineV]

Thank you for that, Keyser. The highlights were a good addition to make the wall of quotes meaningful and relevant.

What investigate are you referring to? I do not see any in the claims. Either way, there is only one evil alive and a roleblock will confirm players as town this way. And, because it is serum, it would be the most foolproof way to clear players. So, I see no good reason why Creature was not protected.

Serums are one-shot.

If Creature blocked Gamma last night, then unless shenanigans, he is confirmed not to have killed last night, thereby making him town.

[PeregrineV]

Loved SK seems weird.

If it's a fakeclaim, it's not hard to test, we vote you to 4, and if you live you're cleared.

But pretty much seems like Math to me.

[PeregrineV]

Oh, my apology then - I misread that not at all serum were 1-shot.

Mine was in Erudite, I never saw the Candor one, but it should be in the PT first post.

[PeregrineV]

If you want to know the activity in the hood, it consists mainly of Mathblade discrediting me and trying to widen the lynchpool, and some arguments that they cannot be the serial killer because they lynched scum.

Yeah, still leaning Math, but willing to test Keyser today if desired.

[PeregrineV]

they cannot be the serial killer because they lynched scum.

Yeah, that's not a valid argument as both town

AND

the SK want groupscum dead... ZERO town-cred points.

Depends on if the SK is BP. If they are, leave scum alive.

But, scum was lynched, and not NKed by the SK.

[PeregrineV]

I think the only good eplanation for the nightkill is that the sk is the ascetic. That is why he doesnt fearme.

Btw, I am a rolecop.
I copped NC, keyser, ircher, and others i dont remember.

And I think we lynch Math; if he is town, keyser.
Cannot see anyone else as SK.

So far then, everyone that has claimed is what they say?

[PeregrineV]

If we're not testing Keyser's Loved status, I'm good with lynching Math today.

[PeregrineV]

If we're not testing Keyser's Loved status, I'm good with lynching Math today.

Unnecessary now since shos' roleclaim.

Would that prove my

alignment

to you...?

shos (confirmed town) knows I'm loved.

If you were town loved, then shos would not want to lynch you.

If you were Loved Townie, shos would not want to lynch you.

Having the modifier Loved but apparently not an alignment indicative rolename puts you on the list behind Mathblade.

[PeregrineV]

Going to be a busy long weekend guys,

V/LA until May 30th

[PeregrineV]

I am not good with voting Math today.
Working with scum is bad.

<<Common sense

Someone explain to me in simple terms why I am scum read. I don't see any reasons.

Process of elimination?

You can't be confirmed except by your death?

[PeregrineV]

Not read all postgame stuff, but Great job town!!!

@Key

- thanks for letting me replace in, it was fun to be town and not be behind the lynch curve.