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Hi Running errands will read later tonight. Someone care to tell me the important things?

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Quick, answer: What was your role again?

Quick.

VOTE: Unvote while I read.

What do you think the odds of me claiming without reading the thread are?

Hint less than .000000000001% and going down.

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Where did you get commuter from?

Ascetic commuter is ridiculously stupid and OP too.

Ascetic is immune to anything besides kills. Ascetic commuter is ridiculous.

Like I am reading the thread before more stupidity like this gets asked.

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I claim I always read the thread first. Vig me all you like. We're winning anywa based on how the first lynches went.

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In all except alignment. Now does someone want to help me catch up and make life easier or are you all just going to wait while I read? Like what are the high points?

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PeregrineV still to sign in today and claim...


Creature, what was your faction serum? Dauntless were wondering if scum would take care of you last night... (you being the last member of Abnegation)


Btw I'm not Vanilla.

Keep waiting.

Pretty sure the whole claim or vig thing is shit or PV would be vigged. Already. So how about we all catch me up as to why we are mass claiming right now after one mislynch? Don't really see the point in helping scum here. I'm taking a nap. Someone be a darling and explain the bullshit about claiming now when we're winning?

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That you're trying to force a mass claim no where near LYLO and don't want to explain.

That is what it tells me.

There is likely only one type of killing role in addition to scum otherwise we would have three deaths per night. Now let me read the thread. Any further push to claim without an explanation of why will be assuming you are claiming SK or scum trying to figure out who to shoot to survive. If there is actual merits to claiming you will have no problem explaining them.

PV in the post I quoted said that people were still waiting for him to claim. Meaning that you are singling me out for not claiming and giving PV a pass already after he told you to fuck off.

So again if one additional killing role along with scum meaning two kills tonight, worst case scenario, mislynch, two deaths, this brings us to 5 alive. So why mass claim now?

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I'm going to do something: calculate the point where Town and scum would win in a 14:5:1 (1 being SK) if
>the os vig never dies before it can shoot
>the serial killer is the last dead scum in the town win
>the winning side loses no members beyond nightkills on town in the town win scenario
Town's fastest win would be night 2, with a mafia lynch D1, the SK and either the os vig or the Erudite ability used on mafia, another mafia lynch d2, and the SK killing a mafia and the final town controlled kill hitting the SK
Mafia achieves victory n3 with a ML D1, 4 town dead n1, another ML d2, 2 more town deaths n2, one more ML d3, and another non-mafia death n3.

How is that relevant to this situation here? This looks like empty setup spec?

What is an os vig? OS stands for Operating System?

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What I want to know is why mass claim here? That only exposes PRs to danger.

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Oh derp there were three kills N4 okay. I think our Cantor hood (started there) is pretty much a masonry at this point just without the name. Still need to read the main thread yet. Damn Titus posts a shit ton.

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Shos who are you?

Zakk, who are you?

I'm Natalie prior, Ascetic Townie. All night actions on me (except kills) will fail. I already name claimed in Candor but I didn't role claim so this is hot off the presses.

Why the fuck did you push me to claim when I was in thread? Reading comprehension fail?

Seriously.

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LUV Creature PV Gamma that is where I think scum/SK have to be in because reasons.

And I ask again: Does anyone wish to help make my reading easier? Or are y'all gonna continue to insist I claim again after I already did?

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The last five pages of the thread, a lot of my ISO, and who has died. Pretty much standard replace in procedure is:

1) Read first post and mechanics.
2) Read last five pages (approximate) as people demand shit from a replacement immediately. If no justification given after asking fuck them.
3) Read any hoods I have in this case Cantor.
4) Read my ISO.
5) Read the thread and specifically focus on areas that get called out.

I am on step 5.

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As for the key points, we've have lynched 3 scum, shos is confirmed town, and everyone has claimed who they are except PV. Keyser has claimed his character but not his role.

Okay. Anyone care to summarize this or do I need to go ISO skimming?

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My reset has left me with only willing to write off Kelvin as town and Keyser as probably town.

...Uhm and shos since you said shos is confirmed Town a second ago?

*eyebrow raised*

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My reset has left me with only willing to write off Kelvin as town and Keyser as probably town.

...Uhm and shos since you said shos is confirmed Town a second ago?

*eyebrow raised*

I'm not considering him in my PoE pool..

Talk with me about Kelvin and Keyser why do you eliminate them?

Keyser's character claim reads like an SK claim. Reprogramming people generally kills them in other series (I don't know enough about Divergent and will need to use a wiki.) off base on base? Thoughts?

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How does reprogramming kill?

Because you break down a person's essence and destroy who they are and then meld them into who you want them to be. It is pretty sick stuff.

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My reset has left me with only willing to write off Kelvin as town and Keyser as probably town.

...Uhm and shos since you said shos is confirmed Town a second ago?

*eyebrow raised*

I'm not considering him in my PoE pool..

Talk with me about Kelvin and Keyser why do you eliminate them?

Keyser's character claim reads like an SK claim. Reprogramming people generally kills them in other series (I don't know enough about Divergent and will need to use a wiki.) off base on base? Thoughts?

Why are you questioning me ruling out Kelvin? You just said your hood is like a masonry at this point so I assume you town read Kelvin? If not, why make such a claim?

As for Keyser, I still think he is town based on what how similar his play feels in games I've been town with him and how the serum thing played out in terms of flipped scum in Ircher and Screenplay. I liked his efforts to understand the wagons early on as well as his attempts to sort Nero. As for his character, Four is a Dauntless instructor. Where did you get programming from?

I am trying to ascertain your thought process. I townread him based off of hood things. What I am looking for is why you do since you lack access.

Programming was from his first post.

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Shos who are you?

Zakk, who are you?

I'm Natalie prior, Ascetic Townie. All night actions on me (except kills) will fail. I already name claimed in Candor but I didn't role claim so this is hot off the presses.

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Not sure why anyone would be looking there for a claim.

My reset has left me with only willing to write off Kelvin as town and Keyser as probably town.

...Uhm and shos since you said shos is confirmed Town a second ago?

*eyebrow raised*

I'm not considering him in my PoE pool..

Talk with me about Kelvin and Keyser why do you eliminate them?

Keyser's character claim reads like an SK claim. Reprogramming people generally kills them in other series (I don't know enough about Divergent and will need to use a wiki.) off base on base? Thoughts?

Why are you questioning me ruling out Kelvin? You just said your hood is like a masonry at this point so I assume you town read Kelvin? If not, why make such a claim?

As for Keyser, I still think he is town based on what how similar his play feels in games I've been town with him and how the serum thing played out in terms of flipped scum in Ircher and Screenplay. I liked his efforts to understand the wagons early on as well as his attempts to sort Nero. As for his character, Four is a Dauntless instructor. Where did you get programming from?

I am trying to ascertain your thought process. I townread him based off of hood things. What I am looking for is why you do since you lack access.

Programming was from his first post.

His claim. Unless PV counterclaims, Occam's razor says the main character is mostly likely town bar any gambits unless this game is bastard.

Oh you're referring to his first post..

Kelvin yes makes sense as he was claimed in the hood.

This makes Keyser's claim to vig me all the more suspicious. Furthermore expecting a mod to make something that is breakable by flavor claim is ridiculous. He could flavorclaim God and it has no impact to me.

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Flavor to me is as useful as a football is to a soccer player during a match. It could mean literally anything.

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VOTE: Keyser Soze

I don't buy a setup with two vigs in it and not having 3 KPN on multiple nights

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You just pissed off the continent of Europe

An American football during a football match. There for Europeans.

It is quite obvious I am an American and I mean no offense to those in other countries.

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Unless the mod specifically states flavor isn't indicative of alignment, flavor is a strong indiction someone is either town or scum. I don't know our mod Key personally, but I have hard time believing he wouldn't make the main character town in Kelvin's case.

This should be a foregone conclusion in any game of mafia flavor is NAI.

Flavor aside why do you townread Keyser?

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My issue with your slot Math is the claim of being ascetic and not claiming it Day 1 as well as the way zakk voted for me. It read like he was itching for a reason to jump on my wagon and didn't want to just say fuck it like Creature has.

Did zakk give any insight as to why he didn't claim the modifier Day 1?

pedit: Experience and his efforts to understand others scum reads and wagons as well as his push on Nero.

Yes because players leave direct connections to their brain when banned /sarcasm

(Serious answer: None that I have found but zakk hates site meta and in 1900 a townie got lynched D1 after not claiming it in his first post. I just call it zakk being zakk.

Those are things an SK can do. Show me what makes him Town to you.

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Also LUV you were in that game I referred to so I'm baffled by your opinion on Keyen's flavor usage.

Which game was that?

Hogwarts mafia.

I remember that game. Seriously Alisae was scum as Hermoine if memory serves.

Flavor is always NAI.

Not really enthused on your Keyser case. Try again.

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Well then hell anyone can be scum then based on mod meta.

Yes.

Why wouldn't be claiming a meta character be an excuse to get townread early?

The main points of confusion I have are:

shos is still alive. Why?
Keyser claimed vig in a game with a vig already claimed.
Your townread seems to be based on him flavor claiming which is like so?

I want people to explain where they come from in their reads.

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I'd rather use in game trends. In this game the trend is town being people who were with Tris.

In game trends make a fool of you and I.

Seriously I wish people would stop assuming flavor has any clue to alignment. If this were the case the mod would give scum fake claims and they would say those. Like seriously. Just hunt rather than pant steal.

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I haven't formed reads yet since I replaced in at deadline the previous day.

You didn't read overnight?

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I haven't formed reads yet since I replaced in at deadline the previous day.

You didn't read overnight?

No. I didn't really think to.

Honestly, I generally advise against this. If you had died, it would've been a waste of your time.

Still makes it fun to guess in spoiler thread if you die. I am more suspicious of those who don't read and say they have no reads like Gamma and then don't seem to be hunting to find any.

Keyser LUV Gamma PV I think scum and SK are somewhere in here. I want explanations and if someone says role or flavor I will stare at them with my Math threatens a tunnel glare.

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Advise against what?

I assumed rereading via context.

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VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.29

[LYNCH] Aristophanes:

alban, Radiant Moonlight, Transcend, rb, WhemeStar, Ramcius, Not_Mafia, shos, Creature, momo, Ircher,

[4] momo:

Srceenplay, Lil Uzi Vert, zakk, Mewtaph,

[2] Radiant Moonlight:

Nero Cain, Aristophanes,

[1] alban:

BDT6_maker,

[1] Srceenplay:

Elena Fisher,

[2] Not Voting:

Keyser Soze,

MOD NOTES:

Aristophanes is the official lynch for Day One!

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

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VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.28

[L-3] Aristophanes:

alban, Creature, Radiant Moonlight, Transcend, rb, WhemeStar, Ramcius, Not_Mafia,

[6] momo:

Srceenplay, Lil Uzi Vert, shos, zakk, Mewtaph, Aristophanes,

[2] Radiant Moonlight:

Elena Fisher, Nero Cain,

[2] alban:

BDT6_maker,

[1] rb:

momo,

[2] Not Voting:

Keyser Soze, Ircher,

MOD NOTES:

Aristophanes is the leading wagon.

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

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VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.27

[7] Aristophanes:

alban, Creature, Radiant Moonlight, Transcend, rb, WhemeStar, Ramcius,

[6] momo:

Srceenplay, Lil Uzi Vert, shos, zakk, Mewtaph, Not_Mafia,

[2] Radiant Moonlight:

Elena Fisher, Nero Cain,

[2] alban:

Aristophanes, BDT6_maker,

[1] rb:

momo,

[2] Not Voting:

Keyser Soze, Ircher,

MOD NOTES:

Aristophanes is the leading wagon.

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

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This along with hood stuff.

If Creature knows Aristophanes is slipping scum no way he attracts attention like that off and on Creature is much better than that as scum.

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Going to bed now.
Seriously would love which parts I should read up on in the AM goodnight.

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VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.29

[LYNCH] Aristophanes:

alban, Radiant Moonlight, Transcend, rb, WhemeStar, Ramcius, Not_Mafia, shos, Creature, momo, Ircher,

[4] momo:

Srceenplay, Lil Uzi Vert, zakk, Mewtaph,

[2] Radiant Moonlight:

Nero Cain, Aristophanes,

[1] alban:

BDT6_maker,

[1] Srceenplay:

Elena Fisher,

[2] Not Voting:

Keyser Soze,

MOD NOTES:

Aristophanes is the official lynch for Day One!

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

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VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.28

[L-3] Aristophanes:

alban, Creature, Radiant Moonlight, Transcend, rb, WhemeStar, Ramcius, Not_Mafia,

[6] momo:

Srceenplay, Lil Uzi Vert, shos, zakk, Mewtaph, Aristophanes,

[2] Radiant Moonlight:

Elena Fisher, Nero Cain,

[2] alban:

BDT6_maker,

[1] rb:

momo,

[2] Not Voting:

Keyser Soze, Ircher,

MOD NOTES:

Aristophanes is the leading wagon.

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

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VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.27

[7] Aristophanes:

alban, Creature, Radiant Moonlight, Transcend, rb, WhemeStar, Ramcius,

[6] momo:

Srceenplay, Lil Uzi Vert, shos, zakk, Mewtaph, Not_Mafia,

[2] Radiant Moonlight:

Elena Fisher, Nero Cain,

[2] alban:

Aristophanes, BDT6_maker,

[1] rb:

momo,

[2] Not Voting:

Keyser Soze, Ircher,

MOD NOTES:

Aristophanes is the leading wagon.

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

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This along with hood stuff.

If Creature knows Aristophanes is slipping scum no way he attracts attention like that off and on Creature is much better than that as scum.

Flipping *

Fuck autocorrect

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The thing about hood stuff is what HL revealed as to why shos and zakk were so secretive about alban. The plan HL detailed is something I have a hard time wondering how it was actual sold because zakk has been scum read all game.

Can you elaborate on this?

Why is your hood not considering Creature?

I didn't realize we weren't. But I haven't read the whole thing, so...

The hood may be.

I said I am townreading Creature based on it.

Don't conflate my opinions with the hoods.

*goes back to sleep*

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His claim. Unless PV counterclaims, Occam's razor says the main character is mostly likely town bar any gambits unless this game is bastard.

OMFG STOP MAKING FLAVOR BASED ASSSUMPTIONS

So you don't town read Kelvin?

I do, but that is only because I know his role and have proof of it.

can we please lynch this; this guy is obviously faking his reads as he goes

VOTE: LuV

@LuV -- Because reasons.

*snore*

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Btw Creature, please join Abnegation N1; please & thank you.

The insomniac strikes again...:

And because conf Town asked me and it is in my PoE...,

*snooooooooooooore*

Vanity wagon bad.

Hood talks sense *snore*

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He is in my PoE

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Your feelings can suck it.

shos and Kelvin made some good points in the hood and I am trusting them. I am working on doing the Titus doc.

You can scream posturing all you want but it doesn't change the fact I am trying to get better.

Because I is sleepy and hood pointed out what I wanted to know about Keyser mainly vig likely fake claim gambit.

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And how you are being illogical.

I said I got off Keyser wagon because vanity and hood.

*blinks*

That is posturing how?

Like my sleep deprived brain can't make sense of you.

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I would think one would talk in the hood about Keyser first and then question him throughly if there was any doubt. However you assumed his entrance post was his claim and scum read for it as well as his participation in the mass claim.

They weren't online and I wanted to see why.
They explained when online. I don't not scumhunt because hood members aren't on. That's dumb.

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I would think one would talk in the hood about Keyser first and then question him throughly if there was any doubt. However you assumed his entrance post was his claim and scum read for it as well as his participation in the mass claim.

They weren't online and I wanted to see why.
They explained when online. I don't not scumhunt because hood members aren't on. That's dumb.

Not according to the steps you listed upon replace in.

I said those are the steps to reading. Not that I ignore the thread until I have. Wtf LUV

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I had facts Keyser claimed vig. One shot vig claimed in hood. Hood explained likely gambit. I back off. Good night LUV.

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“Becoming fearless isn't the point. That's impossible. It's learning how to control your fear, and how to be free from it.”

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.01

[4] WhemeStar:

zakk, Transcend, Nero Cain, Ircher,

[3] momo:

Not_Mafia, WhemeStar, Radiant Moonlight,

[2] Not_Mafia:

Aristophanes, momo,

[2] Nero Cain:

Elena Fisher, Mewtaph,

[1] Radiant Moonlight:

BTD6_maker,

[1] Transcend:

PenguinPower,

[1] Mewtaph:

Creature,

NOT VOTING:

alban, Ramcius, rb, shos, Keyser Söze, Srceenplay,

MOD NOTES:

It is now officially Day One! Everybody has confirmed their roles. WhemeStar is the leading wagon. Vote Counts will be arranged from highest to least.

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

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Up to here. Find it really odd Ircher was suspected a lot but had no votes. Also want to find the catalyst for what flipped the lynch to Aristophanes. Every wagon at this point was on Town. This is really odd.

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Up to the 40s don't see Creature starting a wagon on scum when scum have things going well for them. Creature is probably town because of that.

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VOTE: Srceenplay

Here.
Explain why scum would take heat and put it on scum when no scum were being voted at that point.

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Can Show be our Mathblade this game?

Can Show be our Mathblade this game?

God no.

Shove this.

I have a pretty damn fine track record at finding scum on replacing in.
Would appreciate if you had a bit more class than insulting players behind their back.

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VOTE: Srceenplay

Here.
Explain why scum would take heat and put it on scum when no scum were being voted at that point.

Distancing?

That wasn't even really heat, just seemed like a love tap more than anything.

I disagree.

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Can Show be our Mathblade this game?

Can Show be our Mathblade this game?

God no.

Shove this.

I have a pretty damn fine track record at finding scum on replacing in.
Would appreciate if you had a bit more class than insulting players behind their back.

I wasn't trying to insult you. I was mainly referring to the chaos you create in how you go about reads, not your skill level.

Not sure why you felt like singling out this either by the way.

LUV, do you think I'm scum or SK?

I think there is a good chance you aren't town.

The cow farm called. Apparently you stole and are using their bullshit here. In the 100s.

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I called it out because I am not going to be mafiascum's punching bag. #dealwithit

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I called it out because I am not going to be mafiascum's punching bag. #dealwithit

Do you live in a bubble or something?

Most people don't care, I mean yeah it's funny, but the majority of us want to see you get better.

I don't. Talking about people not in game in a negative way is bad for site meta in general and makes it that much harder for me to "be better" when it is continually reinforced I suck.

Moving on for the sake of game but if you talk about someone not in the game only do it positively.

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So what are we gonna do?

probably start unvoting screenplay, I think.

Considering what happened in Candor last night, I think our lynch today should be between Nero Cain and RM.

Zakk and Alban can read up and comment. I'm sure rb will agree. dunno what about all the rest of you.

Curious what happened here, I thought shos was the cop shot

Shos was who our hood checked and got moderator feedback shos is Town.

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Because shos was obvTown and RM was leading a tunnel on them from what I read in the hood. He literally hammered the cop check on himself to avoid a RM tunnel it looks like. There was a lot of emotion there I am having trouble reading.

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Are you willing to share

I am. What questions do you have? 30+ page summary is hard as fuck without quoting posts which is illegal.

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The short version for D1 is RC and Titus are allergic to logging into their hydra account and discussed reads. Nero and RB were suspicious of the RM hydra because Nero/RB got along with Titus and wanted day end ceremony to come by.

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Titus goes off the deep end thinking a faction in the game would be given limitless cop checks. Like it hurt to read. More reads talk that really doesn't make sense.

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RC talks about copping shos because shos became more active as Ari pushed.

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Talk of copping zakk (my slot) happens for all of two second then RC suggests to cop Nero and demands shos do it along with a threat to shos. Titus unvotes. RC correctly insists I am Town:

Titus and RC use the PT as their discussion ground for a while.

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Suggestion to cop Mew to test shos somehow comes up that I don't get.

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Hydra and thread dissonance gets to the point of four way split and hardly any talks except who to cop.

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RC and Titus demand shos be copped. Threaten him with lynch if he doesn't self hammer. RB notes the frustration is obv Town.

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Then shos is copped. Flips Town. This is the summary til page 21.

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Outs Ircher guilty.
Kelvin gets outed as vig. << Why SK likely exists.
And then a little bit more reads talk with shos's angle on it.

And then I replace in catch-up/reads talk.

@Gamma your turn

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Like everyone summarize your PTs please.

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*cough* *cough*

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Wait
Thought you were in Candor

Candor is me shos and Kelvin.

Keyser is Divergent.

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Wait
Thought you were in Candor

Candor is me shos and Kelvin.

Keyser is Divergent.

Dauntless * EBWOP

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Alright, some reading will happen on this today.

I've kind of skimmed and do not like either the VT claim or the Ascetic claim.

But, more as I read it.

Don't care if you like it.

Your flavor isn't likeable either. Doesn't make it not true.

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Are divergents supposed to claim?

Sorry I meant Dauntless. I was typing Divergent a lot into my phone for flavor research and autocorrect kicked in.

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@PV not liking the green coloring assumes that you're Town and you're my top pick for SK right now. Shos is fine that was a public cop result. Furthermore I don't like that you "need more information" and to read when yet you have read enough to see everyone has claimed but you. What exactly are you looking for?

And I am talking how "likable" whatever it is doesn't change facts.

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Just capturing info for now-

Looking through Aristophanes for stuff, I found him discussing Radiant' ascetic claim.

Code: Select all

https://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=Ascetic&t=71300&sf=msgonly&ch=-1&start=25

I don't like that zakk never touches or mention it again until 2574, when he is trying to talk down Ramicus form voting him.

That was already in our hood. RC was trolling.

It isn't an RC game if he doesn't fake claim something. It was debunked in our hood.

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Notice the word "claimed" not is ascetic.

Zakk knew it was shit because he was.

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Again answer the question. I asked you.

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Posts 260/261 in the hood come before that. Seriously. Stop making shit up and tell us why you aren't claiming when everyone else has.

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Oh look. PV keeps making up shit instead of answering the question asked to him.

Seriously. PV you are just searching ISOs now to try to find things that make me look bad rather than addressing the questions you're asked.

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Was the faction serums used before people moved?

In our case it was used before RC moved on shos.

Like now you just aren't giving a crap. PV you're doing to tell I have on you.

You're saying stupid shit already answered.

VOTE: Peregrine V

He can die.

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I am finishing errands. Lynch PV please. He is looking for random stuff to attack people with:

Is caught up on the thread enough to know everyone else claimed, yet needs more information before claiming and instead of telling us his concerns he just searches the ISO.

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I'm still not sold on the SK in the setup thing, but looking through Elena's iso her only not-scum suspicion was zakk/Math. Elena was the night 2 kill, along with radiant.

There were 3 kills N4.
One is a claimed one shot vig.
There is still likely group scum that is one kill.

Where do you suppose the last one game from?

PV man...

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I'm still not sold on the SK in the setup thing, but looking through Elena's iso her only not-scum suspicion was zakk/Math. Elena was the night 2 kill, along with radiant.

There were 3 kills N4.
One is a claimed one shot vig.
There is still likely group scum that is one kill.

Where do you suppose the last one game from?

PV man...

I'm still not sold on the SK in the setup thing, but looking through Elena's iso her only not-scum suspicion was zakk/Math. Elena was the night 2 kill, along with radiant.

Thanks for admitting I am not scum.

Quoting question for you now.

Also quoting where I was catching up my thoughts.

[MathBlade]

Posts 260/261 in the hood come before that. Seriously. Stop making shit up and tell us why you aren't claiming when everyone else has.

@PV not liking the green coloring assumes that you're Town and you're my top pick for SK right now. Shos is fine that was a public cop result. Furthermore I don't like that you "need more information" and to read when yet you have read enough to see everyone has claimed but you. What exactly are you looking for?

And I am talking how "likable" whatever it is doesn't change facts.

Here's the question.

[MathBlade]

I'm still not sold on the SK in the setup thing, but looking through Elena's iso her only not-scum suspicion was zakk/Math. Elena was the night 2 kill, along with radiant.

There were 3 kills N4.
One is a claimed one shot vig.
There is still likely group scum that is one kill.

Where do you suppose the last one game from?

PV man...

So night1?

Doc died. Likely successful doc is my thought. Or SK didn't shoot. Too many kills on other nights to not have an SK.

[MathBlade]

Thanks for admitting I am not scum.

How did you get that?

Only "non-scum" suspicion.

This means I am not scum but was suspected.

[MathBlade]

Oh derp there were three kills N4 okay. I think our Cantor hood (started there) is pretty much a masonry at this point just without the name. Still need to read the main thread yet. Damn Titus posts a shit ton.

LUV Creature PV Gamma that is where I think scum/SK have to be in because reasons.

And I ask again: Does anyone wish to help make my reading easier? Or are y'all gonna continue to insist I claim again after I already did?

Start there. I am starting my car and driving. Gotta go but you are just wow.

[MathBlade]

If PV hasn't claimed or says why he won't by the time I get back lynch him.

[MathBlade]

I'm still not sold on the SK in the setup thing, but looking through Elena's iso her only not-scum suspicion was zakk/Math. Elena was the night 2 kill, along with radiant.

There were 3 kills N4.
One is a claimed one shot vig.
There is still likely group scum that is one kill.

Where do you suppose the last one game from?

PV man...

So night1?

Doc died. Likely successful doc is my thought. Or SK didn't shoot. Too many kills on other nights to not have an SK.

So who is scum?

You (SK) and LUV (group scum)

[MathBlade]

so both scum got on the wagon when it was L-8 or less ._.

It's not about the numbers it's about the context. Anyone doing VCA for numbers is not doing it right. Look at Mastina's guide.

[MathBlade]

Jeanine Matthews

Pre-'David'/Ramcius flip, I would have been frothing at the mouth at this character claim.

This is fucking refuge in audacity. Even with the David flip there is no way Jeanine Matthews is town imo. She's the main antagonist of the series, no fucking way is she town.

Flavor is never alignment indicative and I figure it is dumb to judge anyone on it. I think PV is scum for stalling and his play in general (I.e. Denying SK among other things) but flavor is like seasoning on fries. It makes the fries palatable or not but they are still fries no matter what seasoning there is. Now if someone says they put mayonnaise on fries then you question their taste buds. It is like having a bullet as flavor. It could be a mafia killer or it could be a museum curator could be a cop millions of things.

[MathBlade]

Notice the word "claimed" not is ascetic.

Zakk knew it was shit because he was.

Bad idea to doubt the existence of 2 ascetics though. I've been in a game where there were two just to fuck with the town.

I never said Zakk had a good idea. I just said that is what he was likely thinking. Plus the claim was terribad. You'd have to have seen the hood.

[MathBlade]

@PV you are very likely scum imo, so fucking fullclaim.

+1

@Gamma what do you agree/disagree with on my post. You said it is bad. Why?

[MathBlade]

Do you think PV -- scum LUV -- SK?

Or just LUV Town? And why is LUV not group scum?

[MathBlade]

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 2.09

[LYNCH] Srceenplay:

Elena Fisher, Transcend, WhemeStar, RadiantMoonlight, Lil Uzi Vert, zakk, momo, Ircher, Srceenplay,

[1] Radiant Moonlight:

shos,

[8] Not Voting:

Keyser Söze, Ramcius, alban, Nero Cain, rb, Mewtaph, BTD6_maker, Creature,

MOD NOTES:

Srceenplay is the offical lynch of Day 2.

With

18

alive, it takes

9

to lynch. Day Two will end in

(expired on 2017-05-04 00:05:00)

.

I am not sure what you mean hammered Srceenplay follow? Oh you mean the Faction power? Good point.

Yeah LUV is SK or town.

[MathBlade]

So if we go by Divergent claims, that would possibly narrow the game down to:

Creature
Gamma
Math

I am an ascetic townie. Not sure how that is a Divergent claim? Something I am missing in Lore?

[MathBlade]

It aggravates me that instead of scumhunting, there is a general consensus that I reveal my full role with a Serial Killer and a Mafia member still alive and in the game.

Please confirm that you (players I have identified as probably not mafia) want me to fully and completely reveal everything.

At this stage we are working on PoE. We want the list of people we're willing to lynch to go from 5 down to 2 or 3.

Scum want to hide in the lurkers/uncleared/nullish reads - so I want to have complete reads of everyone by the end of D5. Weirdly, they've kept the town PR's/town-confirmed player alive...?

Because the town PRs, who do not claim, do the duty of keeping the confirmed town alive.
In the theoretical model.

Can you find SK/mafia tonight or tomorrow?
If not, you might as well take yourself out of the lynch pool (and join Shos, Hikari Link and me in the not-going-to-lynch list for D5).

I think we have a good start.
Taking myself out of the lynch pool and ensuring my own NK seems borderline stupid. That's why I want consensus.

MathBlade is now begging for your death so something is being lost in translation if you're both town.

I haven't picked up Math trying to solve the game at all, so am pretty sure she is not town.

Scum,SK confirmed alive at this point.
Even if you think I am scum (which I am not) everyone is trying to solve the game.
Scum have to find the SK and who to shoot and avoid cross shooting.
SK has to find the scum and avoid cross shooting.
Town has to find an all town block because if neither of the first two happen then we have three Town SK and scum going into tomorrow.

Everyone is hunting. Seriously stop making up bullshit to shade me. It is getting annoying and you aren't claiming still even with that possibility.

[MathBlade]

Guys
This is really simple

No flavor
No shit

Did the mod pm you provately and say you are divergent or not? This is not part of your role pm.

LUV, it does

I do not have a PM saying I am Divergent. All I got was my replace in PM saying ascetic townie and my link to Candor PT.

[MathBlade]

Does being divergent have to do anything with not being mafia/SK?

I dont get it - you do

not

know that you are divergent? Didnt you claim that?

No, you've been saying I'm divergent, but it is not mentioned once in my role pm.

Did someone confuse 'Dauntless' with 'Divergent'?

My phone did earlier as I did a lot of Lore searches but I am still really confused.

[MathBlade]

It aggravates me that instead of scumhunting, there is a general consensus that I reveal my full role with a Serial Killer and a Mafia member still alive and in the game.

Please confirm that you (players I have identified as probably not mafia) want me to fully and completely reveal everything.

Lol wow again more shade instead of cooperating with confirmed Town.

[MathBlade]

So if we go by Divergent claims, that would possibly narrow the game down to:

Creature
Gamma
Math

So which of those are scum and why, in your opinion?

Creature and Math.

After my reset, they are my strongest scum reads. Creature justification for voting me is that he thinks for whatever reason that I can tell the difference between his town and scum game and I didn't like zakk not claiming ascetic D1 or his hop on my wagon.

So if we go by Divergent claims, that would possibly narrow the game down to:

Creature
Gamma
Math

I am an ascetic townie. Not sure how that is a Divergent claim? Something I am missing in Lore?

No this is a PoE list.

Zakk never follows site meta ever.

He mentioned it is a piece of shit in mass effect.

Stop reading people for not following what you would do and start syncing with shos and Kelvin. They are IMHO both confirmed Town at this point. Yet no one is actually communicating with them.

[MathBlade]

I'm not reading people by following what they would do. Not claiming ascetic D1 is arguable extremely anti-town and suspect.

According to site meta yes. You and I follow site meta.
Zakk doesn't though.
Applying our standards to Zakk is bad.

[MathBlade]

Also shos is not reevaluating at all so I've taken to ignoring him until he shows signs of doing so or presents through reasoning for wanting my head.

Why the hell would you ignore confirmed Town?

That is a recipe for disaster. His read is on you. Worst case scenario there is one mislynch til LYLO.

And just because someone is confirmed Town doesn't make their reads right. Without working with confirmed Town we are bound to lose.

[MathBlade]

Stop reading people for not following what you would do and start syncing with shos and Kelvin. They are IMHO both confirmed Town at this point. Yet no one is actually communicating with them.

I'm trying to filter out the non-alignment indicative flavor shit, with the tangible game-set-up related claims.

I don't want to lynch someone on flavor-inspired shit again.

I want clarity this time. No more fucking mumbling.

What do you want clarified?

[MathBlade]

I'm not reading people by following what they would do. Not claiming ascetic D1 is arguable extremely anti-town and suspect.

According to site meta yes. You and I follow site meta.
Zakk doesn't though.
Applying our standards to Zakk is bad.

His hop on me still doesn't make any sense and reads like he was itching to find a reason to hop on my wagon.

So in other words OMGUS. That is your entire reasoning? LUV reread. Seriously.

[MathBlade]

Also shos is not reevaluating at all so I've taken to ignoring him until he shows signs of doing so or presents through reasoning for wanting my head.

Why the hell would you ignore confirmed Town?

That is a recipe for disaster. His read is on you. Worst case scenario there is one mislynch til LYLO.

And just because someone is confirmed Town doesn't make their reads right. Without working with confirmed Town we are bound to lose.

Because he's clearly death-tunneled for reasons no one seems to understand. You can ask Creature about a game we just recently finished where it was impossible to work with confirmed town and how he almost singlehandely lost us the game.

I already stated that I'm fine with being lynched as well. I just don't see a reason to prolong the game after my PoE.

The only way you're scum is if you are the SK.
I would rather point to myself in that case.
The main difference in that game is no one countered the points I was making and no one listened and all my townreads kept dying so it became a vicious feedback loop.
I don't think shos is death tunneled here ATM. Guess you'd need the hood to see it.

[MathBlade]

Stop reading people for not following what you would do and start syncing with shos and Kelvin. They are IMHO both confirmed Town at this point. Yet no one is actually communicating with them.

I'm trying to filter out the non-alignment indicative flavor shit, with the tangible game-set-up related claims.

I don't want to lynch someone on flavor-inspired shit again.

I want clarity this time. No more fucking mumbling.

What do you want clarified?

On one hand I have a dead WhemStar who was Divergent (nothing mentioned in his role pm).

@Keyen, correct?

Then on the other hand, I have shos (apparently TOWN CONFIRMED, who I must trust), who's saying it's actually game-related (a power bonus helpful in finding scum)... shos, who was also willing to town clear me for being divergent? (my guess).



Then in the middle we have pereV who claimed Divergent, but it sounds like it was a mere quote from the film about the character being divergent in his role pm.

I feel like it too now.

VOTE: Unvote

Shos?

[MathBlade]

This is what im talking about.

PV, please claim without explaining eveyrone what a

divergent bonus

is

@PereV


Yes, if you can confirm/clarify with shos that this 'divergent' status is town-alignment indicative/a pro-town feature in finding scum, share it with us NOW.


Right now, all I can see is a dead WhemeStar, whose Divergent bonus wasn't valid

I have no idea if it's town indicative. I see no scum flips with it, and I see no town flips with it.

I can confirm at least one town has it- me.

Correction - 2. Shos has it and is moderator confirmed Town.

[MathBlade]

That is assuming you are Town like your post implies and the Divergent thing is Town.

[MathBlade]

I am just gonna wait on PV and shos to clarify.

Notice how PV still doesn't claim *sigh*

If we are going to win this we need to clarify things. All cards out on the table now.

Otherwise if we get to three Town SK scum LyLO we will be running around with our head cut off.

[MathBlade]

I am just gonna wait on PV and shos to clarify.

Notice how PV still doesn't claim *sigh*

If we are going to win this we need to clarify things. All cards out on the table now.

Otherwise if we get to three Town SK scum LyLO we will be running around with our head cut off.

I'm just checking, because now I've been asked to NOT fullclaim.

So, the current cards on the table, go for what you think and why.

Current cards on the table:
LUV is SK or town.
You ping me hard because you're not being smart and deliberately antitown. If shos backs this up this is likely your first VI game but I haven't ever seen you be VI. Except at the tale end of Undertale but that was cult so we all became VIs. My gut says this is the stupidest wild goose chase ever.
If the game isn't solved by you and LUV's lynches then Creature is scum.

[MathBlade]

It goes without saying shos and Kelvin are confTown.

[MathBlade]

I am confused.

How does PV claiming rolestopper be the reason shos is alive? Wouldn't we have seen less KPN? This seems rather convenient.

--Math

[MathBlade]

When was the inno on shos outed btw?

Day two open.

@PV - You're saying that scum wouldn't target shos ever.
Kelvin and I have known shos confirmed town for many straight days.
There have been two KPN a night consistently.
Scum and the SK are avoiding shos and I want to know why.

[MathBlade]

PV can be immune to 2 serums.
2 serums are left.
I'm willing to lynch PV just because of that at this point tbh, because if he is scum he can't be prevented from killing

why the fuck would you lynch a PR this late in the game for that? you have 2 scums there and only one roleblock.

I am confused.

How does PV claiming rolestopper be the reason shos is alive? Wouldn't we have seen less KPN? This seems rather convenient.

--Math

role stopper stops actions performed on target, also, kills.
and we do have less KPN than 2, including our vig

When was the inno on shos outed btw?

D2.

No. There literally has been two NK a night after D1 except last night with one shot vig.

Scum have to literally be trying not to kill shos for some reason.

[MathBlade]

I think either mafia or SK may have gotten clever and tried to kill shos n3
As for n1 either
NM was doublekilled
NM's target was hit
RM was hit

This literally is impossible.

Two people have died each night after N1.

[MathBlade]

PV can be immune to 2 serums.
2 serums are left.
I'm willing to lynch PV just because of that at this point tbh, because if he is scum he can't be prevented from killing

Are you talking about the ascetic claim? Or did you react the same way to the ascetic claim?

Because otherwise what you are saying makes no sense.

Serums bypass player abilities. This goes for ascetic right?

I guess. Let me ask. Hadn't given it too much thought since ascetic.

[MathBlade]

I think either mafia or SK may have gotten clever and tried to kill shos n3
As for n1 either
NM was doublekilled
NM's target was hit
RM was hit

This literally is impossible.

Two people have died each night after N1.

And Mewtaph is confirmed as the Erudite factional vig.

Mewtaph flipped Vt?

[MathBlade]

Oh...So erudite killed mewtaph blah grammar sucks. Okay so one kill did fail.

So yeah PV is town.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: LUV

Sheeping the conf town.

[MathBlade]

I see things have gotten quite interesting while I was gone. We probably need to start working a game plan now.

Uhm...My game plan is lynch all the scums.

What sort of plan did you have in mind?

[MathBlade]

I see things have gotten quite interesting while I was gone. We probably need to start working a game plan now.

Uhm...My game plan is lynch all the scums.

What sort of plan did you have in mind?

The problem is that there is a clear disconnect somewhere.

Assume shos,Kelvin, PV, and myself (I know you scumread me but this is a hypothetical based on reality) are all Town and have all flipped Green. Who is the scum and who is the SK and why?

[MathBlade]

I see things have gotten quite interesting while I was gone. We probably need to start working a game plan now.

Uhm...My game plan is lynch all the scums.

What sort of plan did you have in mind?

That's not a game plan, that's just saying what literally has to happen for town to win.

We have to start discussing things. In particular, how we can use Peregrine's current claim to our advantage.

@Peregrine:So just to be clear, you maintain that Night 1 provided no protection from serums for Divergent, right? I know we've all been considering shos confirmed town (and I think he is), but I just want to make sure there isn't a scenario where we've fucked up.

The Rolestopper reveal makes a full SK much more possible. Either the Rolestopper, Doc, or a cross shot could explain why there was only one Death Night 1. The other time, I feel like there's a chance that either scum or the SK tried to kill shos Night 2 or 3 (can't remember which) and failed. Realizing that shos was protected somehow, they'd probably stop trying to kill him until the other protective role flipped.

I think we have to assume Peregrine will die tonight. But if he were to decide between protecting either me or shos (preferably through random means, so that it's harder for scum to call his shot), then scum/SK would either have to kill non-confirmed town or risk their kill failing.

As for today, I guess we could go with Gamma, LUV, or Creature. But perhaps we should discuss MathBlde more too. Looking at Ascetic on the wiki, it seems like an Ascetic VT is generally more of a hindrance for town than a help. Granted, with how stacked the setup seems to be in our favor, that could be why. How sure are we that MathBlade isn't scum/SK though? Killing me would've put suspicion on his slot from shos.

Peregrine V should protect conf town. That's literally the plan. Conf town shos evaluates and decides the lynches. Not you not me. Confirmed town decides it. That way we know conf town controls the hammers and lynches the best thing that can happen for town does. You'll see that as town or scum both of the time I "obvTown" and have hammers. In this game simply due to my ascetic nature I know there will be suspicion on me and so I generally let go. If we're going to win we need town banded together in an obvious way at this point. That means I have to step back since people don't realize I'm town.

What shos says. Goes. I'll give my opinion when asked but this is the conf!town show.

[MathBlade]

Well actually as one shot vig you're almost as close to conf town as shos is...Nevermind you join the what says goes pile.

[MathBlade]

Okay, Gamma or LUV then.

@Creature -- Assume LUV is town. What changes for you and what is the game like tomorrow?
Assume LUV is scum. What is the game like tomorrow?

I get this really "weird" feeling about you and I want inside your head. Talk with me. Like say more than a few random sentences.

[MathBlade]

If one of Gamma/LUV is town, I'll most likely look at PeregrineV's questionable role.

Okay...So that says who you're looking at tomorrow but like talk with me about the game state. Who would be alive tomorrow to help you with that? Are you going to assume four conf town die over night? Like talk with me here in more detail. The scum question was ignored...Like brain dump please I know you aren't that communicative but I really want inside your head to help me out so shos Kelvin and I can talk tonight and break some shit open.

@Gamma -- Probably the billion times you asked how is shos confirmed (that's how it came off). Like "when was shos confirmed?" No one (far as I can tell) is like doubting shos conf town ATM so why keep talking about it.

[MathBlade]

I'm ascetic Townie so I'm just VT except for investigations.

Gamma I'll review that overnight. How LUV flips will be a huge part of that.

[MathBlade]

Why the hell is anyone questioning it at all?

It is literally from the mod. Shos is town.

End of discussion.

[MathBlade]

Lynch zakk slot tomorrow if scum and SK don't cross kill.

I am Town so that is going to need a why. Like I get you're likely SK and have to wifom it but can you NOT pick the person who sped read a shit ton of content for your bullshit tunnel. And if you are going to insist on doing so give reasons why.

[MathBlade]

Lynch zakk slot tomorrow if scum and SK don't cross kill.

Why?
TBH roleblocking Math might not be a bad idea, since serums bypass personal abilities.

Or we can ya know block someone who could actually be scum here. All scum then have to do to set me up is no kill.

[MathBlade]

So in other words your scumreading me for trying to cooperate with people. In other words you scumread me because I am Town. Great *sigh* I will be so glad when you likely flip SK.

[MathBlade]

Unofficially LUV is at L-1

[MathBlade]

Or maybe it is Gamma that is the last scum

Dude...Now you're seriously flailing.

Assume Gamma and I scum.

Gamma wouldn't benefit from me being blocked in that case.
I am sketched out at Gamma for trying to get the RB off of himself.
However one scum voting another works for me.

The numbers just don't match up scum are going to want two Town dead.

[MathBlade]

I think it suggests scum because Math seems to be more focused on just mindlessly telling Kelvin what's what rather than making sincere efforts to make sure he's in synch.

A) You're not in Candor
B) If anything I have been asking a shit ton of questions
C) I said explicitly conf Town is leading
D) If Kelvin agrees/disagrees in a way different than I see that is fine. It can be talked out here or in Candor.
E) Yes when dealing with objective facts from the mod I won't let someone say otherwise.

Either A) Serums bypass abilities which makes shos conf town end of discussion.
OR
B) They don't and therefore the suggestion to use it on me is stupid.

You can't say "Shos is not conf Town AND Let's roleblock me"

That is literally the definition of illogical.

[MathBlade]

It sounds like annoyance and just saying this is how things are without properly explaining anything. Granted in that specific case there is not much to explain that the mod has confirmed shos to be town but there could be more examples of this going on in their hood.

Yes. I am annoyed.
There is nothing to explain.

The mod typed shos is town. Suspecting shos suspects mod lie.

[MathBlade]

It is 1 am I am tired and going to bed. I trust shos and Kelvin with the roleblock stuff. Good night.

[MathBlade]

You don't find it odd that both Math and shos seem to be in synch and think I'm SK but Kelvin doesn't seem to feel the same way?

My understanding of the Candor hood is that they all town read each other strongly and feel like they're psudeo masons. If this is the case, why hasn't Kelvin voted me yet? I think there is more than what has been let on about what's going in Candor but since shos is town reading zakk's slot so hard, he's probably too far gone to really speak the truth.

Masons can be masons without agreeing on reads.

I townread the both of them. Shos townreads me and I believe Kelvin does.

That is the definition of a masonry.

[MathBlade]

Well out of those choices I pick Gamma because roleblocking LUV will be stupid as he would be dead. I'm guessing reanimated corpses aren't the scum/SK. Just sayin.

Like someone summarize the abilities left?

*goes back to search through the thread*

[MathBlade]

DAUNTLESS - Follower (Used on Srceenplay) [Keyser Söze, Lil Uzi Vert]
ABNEGATION - Roleblock [Creature]
CANDOR - Cop (used on shos) [Mathblade, Kelvin Smith, shos]
ERUDITE - Vig (used on Mewtaph) [PeregrineV]
AMITY - Priest [Gamma Emerald]

So this. Creature won't roleblock himself. LUV would be lynched so Gamma should be blocked. Then we should have no deaths as LUV's likely SK flip and Gamma being the next most likely scum should pretty much have us wake up with no deaths.

Gamma should Priest anyone he thinks is scum and then declare it day open (assuming he's not dead which I find Gamma a highly unlikely scum/SK kill at this point)

I really can't shake this feeling Gamma is scum.
Creature what do you think about Gamma?

[MathBlade]

if LUV flips SK, then a kill (probably PV dies) will make gamma conftown. otherwise, scum cannot make a kill. we will then be 6v1, with one conftown at least.
if LUV somehow flips town, that means both SK and scum are going to look for each other, or PV. neither will kill me, obv; so we can expect a PV double kill, yielding 4v1v1 with 1 conftown, or a PV death + another death. if that other one is scum of any kind, we get 4v1 which is still quite good, with me alive and conftown. if that one is town, we'll have 3v1v1, which we will debate on later. We can either scumhunt as best as we can and then nolynch, hoping for crosskills, or we can try to lynch and treat this as lylo. nolynch is mathematically preferable, I think. But anyway, we WILL investigate further to

help

them crosskill and they

want

to crosskill to avoid being killed at night, clearly.

By then I, who will surely stay alive, will have some more investigative results. Then I will claim which kind of investigations I can do, and all of the results of previous nights.

I don't think this is a thing (Assume luv Town)
I think if the SK and scum know each other they would avoid cross killing here. Cross killing would be disastrous here.

I think a PV double kill is unlikely. More than likely scum will shoot PV or be blocked or claim scum was blocked. A smart SK doesn't kill who scum clearly want to kill. Not only would SK have to not cross shoot they also have to avoid hitting the same target as the scum. I think the SK kills me or Kelvin. Me because I am obvTown to the conf town and that is one more lynch that won't happen and Kelvin because he is in the masonry and by claim.

Scum and SK can't afford a cross kill as I said earlier in the hood. At the end of the day right now there is one conf town by mod shos. Two conf towns my claim Kelvin and Peregrine V.

So a smart SK doesn't shoot who scum shoots.

Looking at 4v1v1 or 3v1v1 tomorrow if LUV is Town.


If LUV flips some kind of killing scum then by PoE we should just be able to do Gamma/Creature then the other and GG. This case honestly is pretty much GG we win at this point.

@Creature Yes. If anything if LUV flips Town you use your block even more.

[MathBlade]

The only PR even remotely possible is Keyser and SK most likely due to a day action.
PV is confirmed to have saved shos which as scum would be gambity and risky as fuck. PV is neither. So PV is town.
Keyser with some weird day action maybe a day kill? Could be SK.
But no way shos is and I don't think 1 shot vig gets given to scum with a one shot BP.

[MathBlade]

I would like to look over more of the vote counts before ending the day.

Tomorrow afternoon would be fine, since I'm usually out of pocket on weekends.

I am but PV isn't. He wants to look at stuff sooooo

*stares at threadpaper*

[MathBlade]

if LUV flips SK, then a kill (probably PV dies) will make gamma conftown. otherwise, scum cannot make a kill. we will then be 6v1, with one conftown at least.
if LUV somehow flips town, that means both SK and scum are going to look for each other, or PV. neither will kill me, obv; so we can expect a PV double kill, yielding 4v1v1 with 1 conftown, or a PV death + another death. if that other one is scum of any kind, we get 4v1 which is still quite good, with me alive and conftown. if that one is town, we'll have 3v1v1, which we will debate on later. We can either scumhunt as best as we can and then nolynch, hoping for crosskills, or we can try to lynch and treat this as lylo. nolynch is mathematically preferable, I think. But anyway, we WILL investigate further to

help

them crosskill and they

want

to crosskill to avoid being killed at night, clearly.

By then I, who will surely stay alive, will have some more investigative results. Then I will claim which kind of investigations I can do, and all of the results of previous nights.

I don't think this is a thing (Assume luv Town)
I think if the SK and scum know each other they would avoid cross killing here. Cross killing would be disastrous here.

I think a PV double kill is unlikely. More than likely scum will shoot PV or be blocked or claim scum was blocked. A smart SK doesn't kill who scum clearly want to kill. Not only would SK have to not cross shoot they also have to avoid hitting the same target as the scum. I think the SK kills me or Kelvin. Me because I am obvTown to the conf town and that is one more lynch that won't happen and Kelvin because he is in the masonry and by claim.

Scum and SK can't afford a cross kill as I said earlier in the hood. At the end of the day right now there is one conf town by mod shos. Two conf towns my claim Kelvin and Peregrine V.

So a smart SK doesn't shoot who scum shoots.

Looking at 4v1v1 or 3v1v1 tomorrow if LUV is Town.


If LUV flips some kind of killing scum then by PoE we should just be able to do Gamma/Creature then the other and GG. This case honestly is pretty much GG we win at this point.

@Creature Yes. If anything if LUV flips Town you use your block even more.

I disagree. What's better for you - to stand alone against 6 town or against 5 town AND an SK who can kill you? either of them want the other dead. you can always be lynched, but with the other alive, you can also be shot.

What is better for me is cross kills as I am Town but I know scum/SK won't be dumb enough if they know who each other are.
In a normal numbers situation you're right. However if they cross shoot they lose due to the number of confirmed Town that exist. Pretty much scum's only hope is to never cross shoot and convince final Town why they deserve to win.

[MathBlade]

Don't be absurd.

I am just merely relaying the game as I see it. I plan out every fucking game I am in to end game. You're so tunnel visioned right now. I seriously said almost the exact same thing in the hood with shos. Oh no! Shos and Kelvin must be the scum and SK and I must be coaching them!

*rolls eyes*

[MathBlade]

PV is confirmed to have saved shos which as scum would be gambity and risky as fuck. PV is neither. So PV is town.

Which night did I save shos?

Night 3 because one too few kills assuming Erudite vig.
If they're lying about Erudite vig obvs no longer confirmed but that requires an entire hood to lie.

[MathBlade]

I find that extremely unlikely.
Transcend's last posts were shit posts.
And Mewtaph wasn't a vocal part of the town.
And keep in mind that day2/3 were pretty quick so there would be a litter of people.
I just don't think a double kill happened.

[MathBlade]

Regardless, I need to reevaluate a bit.

Shos, what are your thoughts on Nero now that RC and Titus flipped town?

Even worse


BUT

People
I had a 1s rolecop ability and a 1s cop ability

And this time my guilty is real, Ircher is scum aligned.

Ircher was a guilty people.

[MathBlade]

Gonna say that regardless of what I flip, I think an SK is likely, and I wouldn't be surprised if Keyser is the SK considering how little he has done this game compared to usual.

I thought I posted this before. Is there no comment on this?

This is post-guilty WIFOM posting.

Sheeping flipped mafia-scum would be tactically unwise.

It does not not clear me of being mafia/SK nor should it condemn me being either.

Was a guilty gotten on Ircher? I thought he was due to diligent town scumhunting.

And Wifom is where he calls a bunch of town scum, like here - 2291, and here 2292

This post specifically says "regardless of what I flip (scum), I think an SK is likely, and I think it's Keyser."

RTFT PV.

Keyser could be SK but Gamma or Creature is much more likely. I quoted the guilty for you.

[MathBlade]

Gamma was throwing shade on conf Town shos and Creature is being a lurk sac.
Keyser on the other hand is trying and I at least see logical points from Keyser.
And because ice cream is delcious this time of year.

[MathBlade]

If LUV is SK the only reason he's kept me alive is because I'm unlikely to ever vote for him this game (unless it was a question of me versus him).

I even softed/hinted that I had a role/character that would be a nightmare for scum at LYLO in the Dauntless PT, but SK-LUV still didn't NK me.

LUV has been fighting hard against the possibility of a SK even though the night kills suggest otherwise... He scum reads Creature/MathBlade.


SK-motivation in all this...?

You don't scumread him. Therefore you're not a threat.
LUV fighting against an SK leads to him not being discovered.
And you can "hint" at whatever you want. It doesn't make it true and if it is and you don't scumread him it only makes it easier to keep you around as long as possible.

[MathBlade]

This is the type of situation I would expect from a SK+scum team.

Neither of them wants to lynch the other or kill the other with this many conf town. As I demonstrated before.

I just don't think VCA wise you both can be SK+scum.

[MathBlade]

[the rolecop was how I knew wheme was vanilla, which isnwhy O thought screenplay was town]

Lol forgot, phoenposting

VOTE: ircher

Also I eequest to be either docced or watched tonight

for the record, I'm bullshitting my ASS in this game, lol. I didn't actually get a guilty on Ircher xD

being conftown allows you to be so ballsy



..
Nah I'm just kidding

Please stop lying as conf Town. It doesn't help.

Oh posted something in the hood btw.

[MathBlade]

Then why was the shot "wasted"

So Titus/RC tunneling like usual
got it

Um
So, any way we don't lynch the guy that can be immune to roleblocks?

When was the inno on shos outed btw?

These posts for starters.

No one was ever talking lynching shos. Then you start asking about the inno. Why? There is 0 reason to ask that as Town. It is an inno from the mod backed by multiple people.

[MathBlade]

Then why was the shot "wasted"

So Titus/RC tunneling like usual
got it

Um
So, any way we don't lynch the guy that can be immune to roleblocks?

When was the inno on shos outed btw?

These posts for starters.

No one was ever talking lynching shos. Then you start asking about the inno. Why? There is 0 reason to ask that as Town. It is an inno from the mod backed by multiple people.

1+2: I was confused as to the cop being wasted, was not shading, cmon you can see it clearly in 1
3: Me saying to lynch PereV, not anyone else
4: Testing if PV knew about shos being Town D2 since he started targeting him N2.

This doesn't sit right with me. RB who PV replaced did the targeting then. How does this "test" PV?
Tell me do you scum read PV right now?

[MathBlade]

PV wanted the time and shos and I are ironing out some details in the hood. Getting kinda boring staring at thread paper.

[MathBlade]

Are you ok with a LUV lynch? Would you rather do a Gamma lynch?

...LUV lynch is the lynch today.
Conf Town shos wants it.
I agree LUV is likely the SK.

Anyone who doesn't agree isn't providing a demolishment of shos/my logic on the matter and providing a better suspect. As I said scum and SK are likely to work together so we need Town to vote LUV. Just a matter of making sure everyone actually works with confTown and a town block gets formed.

[MathBlade]

Then why was the shot "wasted"

So Titus/RC tunneling like usual
got it

Um
So, any way we don't lynch the guy that can be immune to roleblocks?

When was the inno on shos outed btw?

These posts for starters.

No one was ever talking lynching shos. Then you start asking about the inno. Why? There is 0 reason to ask that as Town. It is an inno from the mod backed by multiple people.

1+2: I was confused as to the cop being wasted, was not shading, cmon you can see it clearly in 1
3: Me saying to lynch PereV, not anyone else
4: Testing if PV knew about shos being Town D2 since he started targeting him N2.

This doesn't sit right with me. RB who PV replaced did the targeting then. How does this "test" PV?
Tell me do you scum read PV right now?

I was curious as to why they switched off RM when they died
I don't SR PV right now.

Then it is irrelevant. There was conf Town rb did the right thing.

[MathBlade]

I think PV has had enough time to do whatever he wished. LUV hasn't posted in over 2 days, I think he's just about given up, meaning he's not town.

Agreed.

[MathBlade]

Because there's still a chance everyone wakes up and smells the coffee

Since you're dead help us find the last scum and tell us your SK kills please

[MathBlade]

what? Creature killed? wtf?

im vla till late tonight. Job Interview stuff.

[MathBlade]

It tells me:

- The SK is not concerned about the 'cleared' townies
- the SK is not concerned about Shos' INVESTIGATION role neither the PROTECTIVE role.
- Creature was only a VT (and not even mass town read), so the SK feared a no-NK over everything.


Weak Tin-foil hat theories :

- there is scum in the set-up 'town-cleared' players (in which case scum have already won). In what world do the town cleared PR's survive to the end of the game?
- the SK (Gamma) wanted to town-clear himself after Creature's non-stop "I'm gonna roleblock Gamma tonight"

I am thinking PV or Keyser scum or Gamma make this kill.
Shos is mechanically confirmed town.
Unless the mod gave a one shot vig to SK which would be weird as hell Priscilla is town.
PV is no longer conf Town because he isn't dead. I am struggling to see why.
Gamma could be scum if and only if Creature wifom'd his roleblock claim.
Keyser could be scum as well and try to frame PV / Gamma / myself.

Will be on more tonight.

[MathBlade]

I just got done coding around 20+ hours for something. I'm tired and exhausted. I don't have a case or explanation for why Creature died. It's still puzzling me. I'm going to sleep on this.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Reasons in the hood but I think Gamma is the SK that kills Creature. Especially if Gamma is strong willed.

Pedit GDI I specifically said NOT TO TELL SCUM.

[MathBlade]

viewtopic.php?p=9226597#p9226597

That's the short version. I'm needed to be a mislynch and ya'll are listening to confirmed scum. Me, posting my recommendation on what scum would do, would not lynch scum there as the SK. That'd be an autoloss for me was I said earlier.

[MathBlade]

if LUV flips SK, then a kill (probably PV dies) will make gamma conftown. otherwise, scum cannot make a kill. we will then be 6v1, with one conftown at least.
if LUV somehow flips town, that means both SK and scum are going to look for each other, or PV. neither will kill me, obv; so we can expect a PV double kill, yielding 4v1v1 with 1 conftown, or a PV death + another death. if that other one is scum of any kind, we get 4v1 which is still quite good, with me alive and conftown. if that one is town, we'll have 3v1v1, which we will debate on later. We can either scumhunt as best as we can and then nolynch, hoping for crosskills, or we can try to lynch and treat this as lylo. nolynch is mathematically preferable, I think. But anyway, we WILL investigate further to

help

them crosskill and they

want

to crosskill to avoid being killed at night, clearly.

By then I, who will surely stay alive, will have some more investigative results. Then I will claim which kind of investigations I can do, and all of the results of previous nights.

I don't think this is a thing (Assume luv Town)
I think if the SK and scum know each other they would avoid cross killing here. Cross killing would be disastrous here.

I think a PV double kill is unlikely. More than likely scum will shoot PV or be blocked or claim scum was blocked. A smart SK doesn't kill who scum clearly want to kill. Not only would SK have to not cross shoot they also have to avoid hitting the same target as the scum. I think the SK kills me or Kelvin. Me because I am obvTown to the conf town and that is one more lynch that won't happen and Kelvin because he is in the masonry and by claim.

Scum and SK can't afford a cross kill as I said earlier in the hood. At the end of the day right now there is one conf town by mod shos. Two conf towns my claim Kelvin and Peregrine V.

So a smart SK doesn't shoot who scum shoots.

Looking at 4v1v1 or 3v1v1 tomorrow if LUV is Town.


If LUV flips some kind of killing scum then by PoE we should just be able to do Gamma/Creature then the other and GG. This case honestly is pretty much GG we win at this point.

@Creature Yes. If anything if LUV flips Town you use your block even more.

[MathBlade]

Now that shos has claimed, I can establish that Pere can be confirmed by tomorrow. With Pere protecting shos, only a strongarm serial killer could kill shos. Since we know that Keyser has only the loved modifier, we lynch Mathblade today as we do not know if Mathblade has the strongarm modifier.

Creature's roleblock would bypass Gamma's strongarm if he had one, therefore he is confirmed innocent.

Again...If I had that modifier I would have killed shos and framed PV.

A serum bypasses player abilities IF we believe scum when they said it. An ability is NOT a passive.

[MathBlade]

Furthermore shos blatantly said Keyser was freaking loved in the damn PT. Now explain why a scum SK me kills someone who TOWN READ ME.

No one can or is. I'm fucking policy because you can't take I'm ascetic. And then we fucking lose as I've outlined in the hood. So no. I object to lynching me today.

[MathBlade]

Seriously you're agreeing with CONFIRMED SCUM in LUV people.

[MathBlade]

If he kills shos he reveals strongwilled to PV and then PV announces the clear is not a clear.
If he kills PV framing me goes out the window as he takes out one of the biggest people towards pushing me and the surprise factor of wtf is gone.
Kelvin didn't suspect you and never shoot a replacement because they usually derp rule.
Killing Keyser removes a potential loved frame up.
Killing me is stupid as I am ascetic policy.
Killing Creature is the only move scum Gamma could make.

[MathBlade]

Didn't suspect you * Didn't suspect Gamma*

[MathBlade]

If he kills shos he reveals strongwilled to PV and then PV announces the clear is not a clear.
If he kills PV framing me goes out the window as he takes out one of the biggest people towards pushing me and the surprise factor of wtf is gone.
Kelvin didn't suspect you and never shoot a replacement because they usually derp rule.
Killing Keyser removes a potential loved frame up.
Killing me is stupid as I am ascetic policy.
Killing Creature is the only move scum Gamma could make.

Um what
Kelvin wasn't being replaced then???????????????????????????/

Kelvin was replaced overnight.

[MathBlade]

FYI the meta is actually to shoot replacements, since they bring in new perspectives

It isn't about what the meta is it's about the objective play. A player brave enough to join into a large theme night five when you're not being scumread is not where a smart SK shoots.

[MathBlade]

...I'm an expert for replacing and nail scum quite frequently as one. In this one I nailed scum LUV. Was told no, then still lynched LUV anyway so I'm pretty sure this is handled. You seriously spammed you were certain of everyone. Like I'm not sure what you're even getting at here except I'm ascetic. I don't know how to address your arguments when the only thing I understand of them is "ascetic" therefore scum. Like try again and go slow and let's try a dialogue again because frankly right now all I see is you throwing stuff on a dartboard and it is infuriating. I'm trying here but I just don't know how to deal with this or respond to it.

[MathBlade]

That is correct unless Creature wifom'd it.

[MathBlade]

Alright Math
What's your plan now

I don't have a plan unless I am scum. At this point Priscilla has up and decided I am scum and doesn't provide a reason other than "my ISO" so I am not psychic. At this point because Creature died I think the RB was wifom'd.

[MathBlade]

I am not good with voting Math today.
Working with scum is bad.

<<Common sense

Someone explain to me in simple terms why I am scum read. I don't see any reasons.

[MathBlade]

I am not good with voting Math today.
Working with scum is bad.

<<Common sense

Someone explain to me in simple terms why I am scum read. I don't see any reasons.

Process of elimination?

You can't be confirmed except by your death?

That isn't a reason.

shos is a fucking rolecop who could confirm someone and then if we lynch the other then it's literally game broken.

Lynching me here results in 3 potential people being scum. (Keyser, Gamma, PV) and only one who would be cleared.

PoE is not a reason and that's just lynching me because Ascetic.

[MathBlade]

Off topic:

I just got a job! *Hooray Mathy dance*

Bad news expect my posting to go way down.

[MathBlade]

And that PoE is why we lose

[MathBlade]

I mean at this point SK is probably aware of if they will win or not and I have made my opinions known....

I am just getting lynched because Ascetic and that sucks.

[MathBlade]

Yes. It is Nero fucking Cain. Zakk myself and Titus he scumreads as innocent children.

[MathBlade]

FYI: IMO, the ascetic claim is just the nail in the coffin.

The Town Protective role and the Town confirmed cop surviving this late is quite frankly ridiculous and adds justified suspicion to your PR modifier.

Seriously, why the fuck is shos still alive? Or at least the fucking rolestopper should be six feet under right now.

Creature clearly set out who he was going to roleblock, so that is an additional mark against your deflective SK-case on Gamma.

Sadly we're forced to presume the obvious: you are an ascetic serial killer.

If not, I'm lynched tomorrow and that's GG fellas. Town have won this unless some bastard has messed up his results/claim.

Lol if you're not the SK we have lost.

I have said my case Creature likely wifom'd the block.

At this point the logical thing is to lose.
Any case I provide won't stand up to "logic".

[MathBlade]

So I am forced to just make an emotional plea and hope you realize scum tunneling me is good enough.

[MathBlade]

Like the Creature kill frames me in ways I did not even imagine.

[MathBlade]

Gamma deserves an award if he's the SK.

He pocketed me as soon as he replaced in and claimed VT at L-1.

The Creature NK is just the icing on the cake. Genius scum play to fuck you over royally.

Whoever is the SK deserves a scummy.

Like at this point I am just awaiting the hammer. I know no words can explain what I feel.

[MathBlade]

Okay, as much as I hate to say this: I want to follow a PoE list that comes somewhatly explained, not just names wrotten down.

Creature wanted to follow a list with explanations. Sometimes he says one thing and does another if he doesn't get that.

[MathBlade]

He could easily have said Gamma but blocked me or someone else.

[MathBlade]

AFK for Shadowrun today.

[MathBlade]

Back tomorrow morning.

#tired

People please post things.

[MathBlade]

There is no reason shy creature would lie.

Yes there is. Wifom.

[MathBlade]

To catch a liar.

[MathBlade]

And what sort of wifom? I can cop PV and find that out. There is liteerally no reason ever to keep 1.95 conftowns alive

Yes there is if you're Town read and have already plotted out my mislynch.

[MathBlade]

SK has to survive 2 mislynches barring kill stops (if applicable)

Planning my mislynch means only one needed.

[MathBlade]

....yes...but keeping conftowns alive for lylo is really stupid

Do the math.

Three conf towns two nights.

They'd have to anyway.

It is a matter of getting those townfirms to lynch the right ones as I said before when scoping out the game.

[MathBlade]

I am conftown
Priscilla has vigged on a night when three deaths happened, so I cannot see any way she is not really a 1s vig
PV will be copped by me tonight (rolestopper SK is not existent)
So with your "mislynch" we lynch PV is my cop shows anything different or I die or am blocked, and otherwise, lynch gamma

If you are town, why are you against this? You think this can fail somehow?

I think you mean lynch Keyser? To the best of our knowledge, gamma is confirmed innocent, yes?

Except he isn't *sigh*

[MathBlade]

I am conftown
Priscilla has vigged on a night when three deaths happened, so I cannot see any way she is not really a 1s vig
PV will be copped by me tonight (rolestopper SK is not existent)
So with your "mislynch" we lynch PV is my cop shows anything different or I die or am blocked, and otherwise, lynch gamma

If you are town, why are you against this? You think this can fail somehow?

Yes I do.

FMPOV Keyser PV Gamma all possible.

If PV is lying lynch him yes but plan allows Keyser scum to coast.

I scumread Gamma first and foremost but if I am wrong we lose.

[MathBlade]

Your entire grip of the game depends on Creature suddenly deciding to rolevlock someone else, when we specifically called that he blocks gamma.

And...I see no problem here. Creature wifoms a lot.

[MathBlade]

I couldn't understand why mafia-LUV would needlesly f**k up his mafia team... (I was wrongly clinging onto WIFOM to defend LUV, I couldn't see him as SK-scum either (no SK-motivation in his play. Thus, I read him as town. He wasn't a town-read through content though.)

[Just read the mafia PT - they didn't know the serum's bypassed player abilities]

Me neither. I scumread Creature so damn hard. No way I wanted to lynch mafia there.

I am okay to realize my PT.

I was boned as soon as I lynched LUV. Would have been okay if not. *sigh*

[MathBlade]

Thanks Keyenpeydee for the hard work.

Release* wow autocorrect fail.

Will be online after work.

[MathBlade]

Math, dead consensus was Zakk SK slipped repeatedly.

He did but honestly I needed the last scum to stay alive one more day.

If that could have happened I could have had two conftowns gone and then worked with scum to lynch anyone else. Then I could have popped my ultra secret wincon.

Mainly losing that and having to find someway to create more suspects killed it. That and the ascetic claim.

[MathBlade]

Priscilla deserves late night Town MVP claim for convincing shos. I had shos and Kelvin somewhat pocketed til the replace out. Without them I was fucked.

[MathBlade]

Oh Keyser I knew. I just bussed Screen out of frustration and to WIFOM town. Worked too but town somehow lynched me over a slot who claimed ascetic Day 5.

Zakk claimed ascetic before I came in the game LUV. Rescinding it was a scum claim so I tried to work around it.

Really sorry *winces* I didn't want to lynch scum. Just townread you.

[MathBlade]

Sorry for the painful ending guys. I just can't bring myself to self hammer when anti wincon.

Literally if I had identified scum even with that fuckup I could have been OK ugh.

And PV + shos kills didn't work.

Shos was going to rolecop Creature no matter what which innocented Gamma. I needed scum to kill pv and I kill Kelvin slot. That had to happen for me to win.

Creature kill was me going insane after 20 hours of programming.

[MathBlade]

Oh Keyser I knew. I just bussed Screen out of frustration and to WIFOM town. Worked too but town somehow lynched me over a slot who claimed ascetic Day 5.

Oh... I think I should have read the game. I did not know that Mathblade claimed ascetic on day five... oops. That would have saved some trouble.

Good game. Thanks to mods.

Zakk claimed before me or I never would have *sigh*