Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: aronagrundy

[aronagrundy]

Valor And Naivety Inundate Loose Lips Asunder

Tomorrow's Ombré World: Night

[aronagrundy]

Why are you crumbling VT in a no VT setup

Don't you remember telling me to do it in the scum pt?

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: yankee

Phoneposting, didn't like his vote

[aronagrundy]

Vote: Arogrundy

Creature is scummy for ugly sheeping after avoiding sheeping.
Could also lynch Sesq for the awkward wagon derailment.
I like Gamma as town, and guardedly Lunae and Paul.
Arogrundy deserves a vote though, because the VT thing was actually kinda screwy, and we never got a valid answer for it - also, hey, bonus, lynch a self voter.

Obviously it was a joke. I thought of it before the game started.

I'm not sure if you actually think I'm scum tho

[aronagrundy]

so you think I wasn't joking?

[aronagrundy]

Oh btw I voted yankee bc I townread sesq and lunae based on their exchange and it looked like an empty jump on creature's vote

[aronagrundy]

How did you interpret it?

There are no VTs in this setup

[aronagrundy]

Yes, which would make it a crumb coming from someone who didn't have a role PM they were representing honestly.
Which would auto make you scum, not town.

I feel like this is lynch all liars-ish logic. You haven't explained to me what was scum motivated about crumbing vt

You can disagree all you want but it was a joke. Like what's the difference between me crumbing vt and gamma claiming scum?

[aronagrundy]

I feel like this is lynch all liars-ish logic. You haven't explained to me what was scum motivated about crumbing vt

I'm not claiming scum motivation in claiming VT, I'm saying that only scum, in this setup, would do that as a crumb.
Literally the only defense is to claim it's a joke - if it's not a joke you're absolutely caught scum. So, if I'm not certain it's a joke, you need rope.
I'm not certain it's a joke.

You can disagree all you want but it was a joke. Like what's the difference between me crumbing vt and gamma claiming scum?

One is more obviously a joke to me and one is not.
Because scum never accidentally open claim as scum, but scum can accidentally crumb a role that can't be in a setup.

K this is the last thing I'm saying about this. You say I could have done it on accident, ok, but who the hell crumbs vt anyway. I've played in this setup before. I knew that there were no vanilla townies

[aronagrundy]

I do townread Sheep atm because his stubborn-ness here strikes me as town

[aronagrundy]

PRodge

Was busy with another game that just ended so I haven't read too much into HM/sesq stuff. Will do later

[aronagrundy]

this game gives me a headache

[aronagrundy]

Ok so I townread

sesq, luna, njac, sheep

kinda townread commknight

[aronagrundy]

UNVOTE:

[aronagrundy]

sheep

Kinda new.

Hm? I townread him because I could see the logic behind his posts, although I think his black and white approach to solving the game is misguided. Like in his opening post he scumreads you and me and I could see him scumreading me for the vt crumb and thinking you were scum by association

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: creature

i'm interested in seeing how this goes

[aronagrundy]

Reading this game still confuses me. I'll try looking at ISOs instead.

Also i should explain that I'm voting creature because I've played multiple times with town!creature and he seems different this game

[aronagrundy]

Also i should explain that I'm voting creature because I've played multiple times with town!creature and he seems different this game

Oh sure, like that Large Normal 202 where players thought I wasn't way too active and I ended being lynched despite multiple players townreading me (mostly because of Eddie, who town thought he's correct because "he's clear).

I mean part of the reason I'm acting on this is because literally the same thing happened with transcend last game where I gut scumread him early and look at how that turned out lmao

[aronagrundy]

K this is the last thing I'm saying about this. You say I could have done it on accident, ok, but who the hell crumbs vt anyway. I've played in this setup before. I knew that there were no vanilla townies

I have, on multiple occasions, witnessed both town and scum players crumb VT.
Do you have a history of joke crumbing VT, because that would affect my read, but your response here does not.

@Arona

No, but it shouldn't affect your read

[aronagrundy]

Who's ready for some ~ISO magic~????

[aronagrundy]

mutton what's your experience with mafia

[aronagrundy]

Ok my ISO magic so far:

alban: null. He confuses me because I've seen him play both town and scum and he seems different than either instance. I can see him being town that doesn't give a shit, but his last post is bizarre. Why not vote?

commknight: town. I can see him putting effort into scumhunting and I can follow his logic. His ISO is cohesive and that's good enough for me d1

[aronagrundy]

cooperative sheep: null-town. Basically I think his case on me is bs, but he still strikes me as stubborn town like he did before.

creature: null. Like alban he strikes me as just not giving a shit after reread. I have them both null but at this point I feel like alban is slightly leaning scum and creature is slightly leaning town.

[aronagrundy]

Prepare to be disappointed, then

[aronagrundy]

Also you should've rhymed something with arona

[aronagrundy]

I lost the ISO magic because I got bored lol

[aronagrundy]

Yeah actually sesq can you summarize the hm case

[aronagrundy]

UNVOTE:

[aronagrundy]

Eh I'm not the best at or really keen on gauging reactions. Everyone reacts differently. Part of me is worried that he's just flailing town but then I look at the votes and I see he's disappeared, so???

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: njac

Everything going on just seems wrong to me. I don't know if this is because there's TvT going on or I just can't get into the game, but I think I prematurely sorted this slot a while back. I didn't like the slots's like one single post before the replace out and I don't like how this slot is just hanging back after a reasonably active replace in

[aronagrundy]

commknight: town. I can see him putting effort into scumhunting and I can follow his logic. His ISO is cohesive and that's good enough for me d1

How do you follow his logic as based on his attack on me for fearing gut reads?
Because there is no logic there without inventing actions for me.
No?

I don't understand the second sentence.

But gut reads are a big thing to go off day 1, just saying.

[aronagrundy]

Yeah after skimming his iso I have no idea how the fuck to read hellfire

[aronagrundy]

mutton you never answered my question

are you an alt?

[aronagrundy]

I must not have comprehended that part because reads and please don't rhyme

[aronagrundy]

I don't think that last one is even a half rhyme

[aronagrundy]

Also why did you vote for sheep just now

[aronagrundy]

that didn't answer my question

[aronagrundy]

I agree mutton is town

[aronagrundy]

Opinions on njac y'all?

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: sheep

All the other options I think are town, so

[aronagrundy]

oh lol I sorted sheep null town

[aronagrundy]

Idc. I just want a flip and sesq and com are town

[aronagrundy]

Mutton that wasn't in response to you

Njac/Albany I guess. This game confuses me

[aronagrundy]

Honestly I have half a mind to let the timer hit 0 so we don't hit a N1 Cop or Doctor.

Uh

[aronagrundy]

Was that hammer?

[aronagrundy]

Yeah I think it was but just in case

VOTE: commknight

[aronagrundy]

there can be multiple per night. When I played this setup last there were three night 2 cops that all targeted the same person lmao

so this doesn't mean they can't both be town, although I think that agent sparkles successfully protecting njac is more likely

[aronagrundy]

I agree that it's not necessarily a bad idea to lynch inside the claimed doc/target pool

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: cooperative sheep

implicated by comm's flip, his push on me sucked, can easily see him fake claiming doc as scum

[aronagrundy]

And it's likely that whoever is scum from there claimed protection on a buddy.

I'm not so sure about that one

[aronagrundy]

So we arwnt waiting for cop claims?

Also just realized scum can pretty easily confirm themselves by claiming cop early and saying that they invested fellow scum and they were town.

Yeah but when those two survive past 1-2 nights it's going to look bad

[aronagrundy]

there can be multiple per night. When I played this setup last there were three night 2 cops that all targeted the same person lmao

Wasn't that the game I replaced into and you were Scum?

yep! lol

[aronagrundy]

I was N1 doc and saved Creature.
This is the reason why I was a bit suspicious of Agent's claim.
Although there could be 2 docs, for me it's unlikely that there could be 3 docs on N1.
I would like to lynch between Agent and Sheep.

I just said that I played in a game where there were three n2 cops so it's possible

[aronagrundy]

can we stop saying cc it doesn't really mean anything when we know that the nights for roles are randomly determined

[aronagrundy]

I was N1 doc and saved Creature.
This is the reason why I was a bit suspicious of Agent's claim.
Although there could be 2 docs, for me it's unlikely that there could be 3 docs on N1.
I would like to lynch between Agent and Sheep.

I would also like to point out that if you ctrl+f creature in alban's iso this is the only post where he mentions him

[aronagrundy]

although he doesn't go into detail into any of his townreads

[aronagrundy]

@mod: replace out

Sorry y'all. Nothing serious but I'm busier than expected irl.

Someone should probably look at the comm wagon for scum btw. Was meaning to but yeah